Bobby Fish part 1

What's she gonna do? Brother? When Jeff Townsend Media runs wild on you. Iza. Welcome to the Austin Aya Show. I'm pretty excited for this week's guest, Bobby Fish. Yes, sir, what's up, Bobbie? How are you? I'm good man, I'm good in yourself, not too bad. So I wanted to throw this name after real quick, Jerkin Johnson. Tell me about Jerk. Tell me about Jerkin Johnson real quick. Heasily, Uh Jerk Jackson. Oh okay, so you're so you're telling me is Wikipedia isn't always actually correct, believe it or not. At times they are, they are incorrect. Try to do a little bit of research here, you know, like Dross. This it's called well, you never know what. I kind of think Jerk and Johnson's got some legs to it. I think that might be, uh, buy myself a mask and come up with as there you go. And that's kind of how it came to me to be holdest. Yeah. Man, so man, So it's crazy because we've like we've known each other for a long time, but we haven't really supercross paths a ton we have, you know, we haven't. We've always been kind of passing passed each other and but yeah, but you started, you start in two thousand and two, which is a couple of years after me, and yeah, and then I was surprised to learn you're actually a couple of years older than me. Yeah, which is amazing. So and you look, oh, yeah, thanks man, But yeah, so keep this thing together. Yeah, and so it was it was interesting I saw that you'd started a podcast, and part of the whole podcasting thing is, you know, you want to get guests out your podcasts, you want to try to go onto you know, other people's podcasts. And we we happen to see each other at at Jay Briscoe's funeral and we did yeah, which was one of those where everyone said, man, we wish for her for any other reason. But it was really nice to see so many people we hadn't seen a long time, and it was yeah, and so it was like, you know, unfortunate circumstance to be there, But I think Jay would have been proud that everyone had a hell of a time and got to reconnect and so too, and to see as many people from the wrestling community that it did bring together, like it was just kind of a testament to how how many people, uh Mark and Jay are connected to Ina in somewhat. You know, it's almost like the six degrees of Kevin Bacon. Sure that's true. Yeah, we forget we've been doing this for so long and all the people we've come in contact with, you know, over the years, and how far that that webb spreads out. So but yeah, so just you know, messaged and you told me, which this was really interesting to me, that you and your wife actually went vegan about a year a year and a half ago. Yeah, and so I was interested to hear that story and chat a little bit about that. Unless you want to tell me how you got your start in wrestling, because I'm sure you've never done any interviews where you get that question. I don't go, you know, so, yeah, so what was that? What was that journey all? What was that journey? Like? What was the you know, what was the reason behind it? How you feeling? I'm curious? Um, I mean I feel you know, we're like you said, we're um God, we'll be closing in. I think in February of this year will be like two years for me, January for her would be like two years. Um she um had come across. I want to say it was what the hells yep or one of those. Um, we ended up watching a bunch of them after the first one, so I sure confused as to which one came first. But so when it was just kind of a thought that she had, um, her and I at the time were kind of finding our way back to one another. So um, I was you know, I was very much in the courting phase. Was like, well, no, I guess I'm going in because yeah, you know did in that phase Dinners and everything are a part of getting by and so I mean I would say initially that's I was probably you know, just like yeah, okay, whatever. And the thing that surprised me was that, like, after a month, how good I felt? Yeah, And I really never entertained the idea of doing it prior to that. And it's like, you know, like I could consider myself a man of faith and he uh, you know, God puts things in our path for different reasons at different times, and it's like, okay, well maybe that fell in front of me for for that reason, because it was a time when you know, I had enough reason to to do something I probably otherwise would have never really considered. Sure, I don't know if I would have considered it um prior to that, but after the first month, like if if I wasn't gonna admit how much better I felt and how efficient my digestion was, you know, not to be gross about this, but no, no, one hundred that was the biggest difference. I just simply wouldn't have been honest with yourself. I would have been you know, lying about it. And it's like, you know, it could be we could we could be super gross on here, by the way, I all the time, I don't don't know anything back. Yeah, yeah, well I've coming right out and say it. You know, I mean that that that function just became a thing that not that I had ever really much concerned with it to begin with, but you know, men of our age, we're supposed to supposed to pay attention and stuff like that, and sure so I did. Yeah. Something I've talked about recently is just you know, we don't even understand like how how we're supposed to feel because we live this life thinking the way we do feel as normal and yeah, man, like you know, they've they've done autopsies on people that have had twenty to twenty five pounds of fecal matter is still in there, and test it because we never it gets caked in there, it never gets passed through. And then you know, that's that's waste, that's you know, toxic garbage that our body wanted to get rid of, it didn't and now it sits in us and that's the driver of a lot of these diseases and ailments. So um yeah, you know, changing that and meets one of the hardest things for the body to process and digest, you know. Um. So yeah, it's funny experience, yeah, I joked, And yeah, well, and and the proofs in the pudding, right, you know, it's like you can't, like you said, if you're being honest about it, I said, and the chip putting the proofs and the chip pudding is what I was literally in the pudding. Yeah yeah, um yeah, but yeah, it's just a bit. It's a big difference. And I even gone one further where I've adopted predominantly raw diet of mostly fruits, some vegetables, some nuts and seeds, even getting off a lot of the heavy grains and legumes and cooked food. And that's like now a whole other step up to where I feel a huge difference. Yeah, Like yesterday, Yesterday I had nothing cooked. I ate a bunch of fruit for breakfast, like you know, four or five bananas, had some berries and stuff like that. And then for dinner, I had like five avocados, a couple of cucumbers, a couple of belt peppers, a couple of tomatoes, but everything raw and nothing cooked. And like I felt amazing all day, you know, And so then when I go to cooked foods, I feel a little more lethargic and heavier than I would, you know. So you know, I always say there's levels to all this, and it's never about there's like nope, there's no perfection, and then it's not there's no like finish line. I think it's just always about being open to new ideas and how to improve and level up wherever we're at, you know. And so sure, um, but yeah, it's funny because I joke with some guys. You know, some guys are vegan for the animals and some guys are vegan for pussy, right, Like it's you know, it was all the OT chicks are vegan, right, and it's like this guy's this guy's not really vegan. He's the poser, but he's like, you know, I was like, I know why you're really vegan. It's not for the animals. We get there, you know what, whatever gets you there? Yeah, man, But you know what it's true though, is you know this conversation I have a lot of my friends, is you know, if you're in a relationship, can you reconcile that difference between those lifestyles? And because really it's it goes beyond eating and more into a philosophical difference. Um. Yeah, a lot of times it's not necessarily just health, but it's also like what you're contributing to um, you know, in the universe as far as um, slaughter and death and and and all these things too. So what was there a little bit of that component for you? Was it strictly a health thing? Did you did you make the connection to the animals and how you felt better spiritually? Said, you're, you know, a religious person. I think there's a spiritual leveling up when we when we stopped contributing to that. Well, like I said, the original uh issue with it was the documentary and it was just seeing the factory farming in the way that you know it was hard to um to deny some of that, you know, or all of it really, I mean there were um there was one scene with the pigs that it was just hard to just get around. Um, not even so much how it was just it was gross. It was just down you know, that was like I can't put how am I putting that in in my uh you know, what's supposed to be my temple? Yeah, I'm really treating it like a temple. If I'm doing that, say, treated like a graveyard instead of a temple, you know, is what they say. And that's and that's you know, they make it very easy for us to to to stay disconnected in society, right we don't we don't we call it pork or baking. We don't call it pigskin, you know, or you know, it's just and for me, like at the simplest terment with people always asked what was my transition phase? Literally one day and this is I just started, you know, training for wrestling and not a lot of money. So you're you're buying the cheapest bag of chicken breasts you know you can find. And I was just cooking these things up one day and I just looked at it and as exactly what you said, like it's gross. I was like, this is like gross, and I don't want to eat this anymore. And that was the beginning of the journey. Um. Yeah, but yeah, I think the spiritual component is one that we don't you know, of course, you know, oh yeah, I like animals, but spiritually energetically right, everything's energy, right, an emotional energy, spiritual energy, vibrational energy. And so in this world, uh, you know, I just did a segments podcast on mental health, you know, and talking about in this world where we're really deal with this mental health crisis of everyone's stressed and depressed and angry and fearful. It's like, well, what do you think these animals lives are that very short lifespan is spent exactly like that, and then you consume that's your energy source, and like there's a transfer of that energy to you. I believe that that's going to keep that low vibrational state, you know. And so to me, fruits the highest vibrational food there is, right, Like it's the direct transfer of the of the energy from the sun. Nothing has to die. It actually wants us to eat the flesh, spit the seed and the pit out so that more frecrows. Right. So it's just a interesting thought process, surely is. And it's hard to argue with when you you know when not that anybody's looking to argue with it, but it's like I think it's you know, were like, uh, infants. You know, we know what we know, and I know what what light life is, what we've been raised to know as that. So that's it, you know. I grew up that way. I never thought of it differently, so to introduce a different um, it's just a matter of being open, you know, being open, And like I said, I could not deny the fact that efficiency was was way better. And now at this point, being as far into it as I am, I feel like there's you know, like your palate changes. I taste um, fruits and vegetables in a way now that like I just didn't before. And I was always a pretty good fruit eater, um, but now like there's a few things I find more delicious than like a strawberry or rasmovies, like I can eat a crate of them. And then the amount of vegetables at this point that I consume, you know, I was, I dabbled before, but now I mean, there's really nothing I won't eat. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, have you felt I always get this question people ask like, did you feel any drop off work it out in the gym, your strength, you know, losing size, any anything along that way. Not even a little. I mean I'd say, like it's a little bit more difficult to get the amount of protein in. But then that's questionable as well. There's lots of setial opinions as far as like how much protein we actually need. I'm a I don't want to say, a slave to it, but I mean I still like follow similarly, so I still try to prioritize protein, but it's not the end all be all that it once was in my meat eating life. Yeah, it's been so ingrained, and especially where we come from our background of combat sport and having to be in the gym, it's just this whole concept of protein, protein, protein, and I've had to revisit the same thing, right and go, do I really is it really protein? Or do I need amino acids? You know? And like amino acids are found in everything, and they might not be structured as a protein in a say of fruit or a vegetable but our body breaks those you know, those proteins, They break the protein down into amino acids, and then we use the amato acids to rebuild what we need. But there's a guy named Robert Cheek who's a friend of mine, and he's been a vegan bodybuilder for a long time, and there was a study came out that said, all we really need is ten to fifteen percent of our overall calories from protein to maintain muscle mass. And if you want to gain muscle mass, you up your overall calories, not just the protein. So he did this for a year and he lifted heavy, and he got and he just used whole food, plant based sources, so he didn't even use like protein powders. He was just using whole foods um and he's stuck to about ten to fifteen percent of his overall calories from protein. And so if you do the math quick on that, you know, like if you're taking in you know, three thousand calories a day, ten percent of that, it's only like seventy five grams of protein, right, So it's not that it's not that much. But he put on like twenty he put on twenty pounds in a year. Wow, you know, and so there is data to say that. Again, you know, follow the money and and so the whole you know, people that are telling you to eat protein are the people that are selling you protein. And for most people, they're not. They're not athletes, they're not in the gym, you know, it's your soccer moms out there. They're you know, eating all these protein bars and protein shapes, and it's just like, again, that's the harshest thing for the body. Our brain functions on carbohydrates, Like our body is designed to run off of fruit sugar. It just didn't, right, So that's our that's our main energy source. Then we dip into fats, and then if there's no carbohydrates and no fats, then we use protein for energy. Right. So yeah, it's interesting. I've had to just kind of rework that and now I focus on you know, nutrients, nutrient dense food and not protein dense food. And if I eat enough overall calories in the day and eat a good variety of foods, I'm not stressed about the protein too much anymore. And that's a that's a huge deviation from where I was, you know, most of my life. Yeah, that may be a component that um I think I try to add next is just kind of getting even further away from my dependency on all well, I gotta have enough protein, because sure, so many just myths over the years that have been proven or or even if they are unproven, Like, I mean, how much shit do you reconsider from from ten years that you're like, yeah, I don't of course I don't still do that, you know, or we're just you know, um, we live a good portion of our lives, um, just in this asshole stage. And then you know, at least you I think the real asshole stage is if you don't learn from it, you know, surely you can kind of learn as you go. And there's things now that I definitely didn't believe in ten years ago, and I think that that'll continue until the day I'm I'm you know, in the ground. I think that you know that it comes down to sometimes a personality type. You know, there's because some people don't don't they they don't their ego doesn't allow them to admit when they were wrong or they were fooled right. You know. It's like the one thing I've kind of realize is we don't know shit about shit, like we really don't. Everything we think we know is because somebody told us and we decided to believe it, whether it was from a school book, from a new a new station, a book we read like. And there's so much we just really don't know, and so I always hold open. That's why I'm a big conspiracy theorist, because their theories I'm not. I'm not smart enough to pretend that I know the truth about any of it, and anyone who does is just fooling themselves right, Like we don't know is there earth flat as it round? I don't fucking know. I've never been up in space until I tell you, I just don't know, now, you know. So I'm not going to take a stance on that. And there's so many things and that goes, you know, the germ theory versus the terrain theory. Do we even are we even right about how sickness and disease works? Because again, the whole theory of how it works is what props up this pharmaceutical industry. So it is it a chance we were lied to back in their early nineteen hundreds by Rockefeller? What do you want to it's a good fucking chance that you know this is the truth. This is I would say, this is the Truman Show, and we're like, true, it's great great great grandkids. But Truman never he never figured it out. He went through his whole life believe in the lie. And now we're as great great great grandkids and we're trying to figure out what the truth is, you know, and we're four generations into this lie as just lies on top of lies. So that's why I think, you know, I think for a lot of us, in our twenties we think we know everything, you know, and our thirties, those things start to be challenged, and then as we get into our forties, we start realizing, oh, I didn't know anything right, so now so now I'm all about like keeping my eyes open to all the possibilities and doing what you know, feels right my intuition and not what I'm told is right. You trust the intuition becomes at least for me, has become a huge thing over the last few years. It's just trusting, you know, for lack of a better term of trust in my gut. I talk with my wife about all the time, like that driving force has been there, you know, numerous times over the course of my life. And call it whatever you want. I mean, we can get religious about it, or we can get you know, you can call it the Holy Spirit, you can call it vibration, call it whatever you want. But there's something there that's undeniable, and it's truly at the heart of what it is to be a human being. And yeah, I mean if I could count, if I if I you know, if somebody gave me a dollar for every time in a day where I come to the conclusion of like, Okay, well, I don't know that's above my pay grade. You know, I'd be a wealthy man because there's just so many things that fit into that category that I stumble upon. You know now at forty six years old, that you know, I'm just like, I'm a little bit ignorant here and there, but I'm not so ignorant that I'm unaware of my ignorance. I love that. I love that. I always said I like people that are that are smart enough to know that I would say I'm smart enough to know that that that I don't know, right, Like, it's like, just be smart enough to know that you're not that smart, because the worst people aren't you? Is like they're too dumb to realize that they're not smart, and so that they and but but I think the other part of that too is as we get olders realize how much we don't know, but also that we don't have to Like I always feel like this, like, oh, but the answers aren't in somebody else, some experts or some someone with a title or a piece of paper, right, or a degree, you know, like those people don't have the answers anymore than I do. So the answers for me is in my own personal journey. As they said, your intuition, your gut, you're feeling what feels right. And I think a lot of us, you know, we're kind of in this culture. They want us to all feel like we're too dumb, so we need to wait for the governments, the experts, the doctor to tell us what we need to do, what we need to know. And if we actually tuned our intuition into our our common sense and had a discerning mind, we would figure out a lot of these things out on our own and realize that a lot of stuff they're telling us, more times than not, it's complete bullshit. With an intenda attached to it, right, an agenda, there's a there's a there's a a motive, you know, operandi attached to so much of this world, and you know, you can apply it to anything. I mean a great example of it now is just the media, you know, the media that like I experienced when I was a kid, And it could be my perspective has changed too, but to some degree, it seemed like the media, you know, was someplace you would go for your quote unquote news or information, where now it's like you can't trust a fucking thing. No, you know, I think it is our perspective. I think it's always kind of been a bunch of bullshit. We just were a little naive to it, and it's it's become it's become much more obvious and clear now because with social media we have all this other content that exposes these you know, these two sides of the of the you know machine as for what they are. And I know, I know, like when when the Chris benoastaff happened for me, that was a huge eye opener to like, oh wow, if they're this wrong about this story right, not even using the right facts or dates. When people work places or the experts that they brought are on TV that that had been relevant in years that had access to grind And I was like, wait a minute, were everywhere and they're everywhere, and I was like that exposed it to me. I was like, Okay, if they're this wrong and this bias on this topic, which I know because because of my you know, ties to the industry, I gotta assume that they're this wrong on everything, and it's just a big it's a big made up shit show, right, Yeah, But I just go, you know, I start, you know, I like to go back and like research and like look up the origins of things, where things come from, because it starts to you know, tell the story. And like some of the fun ones I learned recently is we've all heard that, um, you know, breakfast is the most important important meal of the day. Right, and there's something that we've we've sent over and over and over again, So, well, where did this come from? Right? Well, it was basically an ad campaign so that people would eat more grape nuts cereal. Right. It wasn't a scientific study, right, This was just propaganda. But if you printed in a newspaper, then it becomes news. And a fact, and the people don't question it, you know, same with why we eat bacon and eggs for breakfast? You know. Edward Burney's basically with the godfather of massive media marketing, was hired to help beach nuts sell more pork products. So he went to a doctor friend of his and said, Hey, I've got this problem. Don't you think that the American population would benefit from eating a more hearty of substantial break fist. So then that doctor went to thirty his doctor friends and they all agreed, and it was printed in all the newspapers. Americans shouldeed a more hearty breakfast, and where do they recommend baking and eggs? Right, So it's like we've been using it, and we've been using these tools for a long time. She should create, create the narrative, push an agenda. But now it just seems very much so that it's just very, very divided. If you come out and I think you felt a little bit of this heat, I know I have, I think, so you can probably relate. But if you speak to your opinion on something and it doesn't fit one, you know, a certain narrative, then you're going to get attacked by by the people right that you're going to get attacked, you know, by the people that disagree with you, not in the constructive way to have an honest debate about it, but just to use at hominem, call you names, label you as as anti this, you're that, you're a phobic disk or anti that, and and that's it. And that's just the world we live in now. And it's and it's crazy. Man. At the at the core of it, I think it's, uh, the human need for tribalism. There was a book I read years ago called Tribe. I'm trying to think of the author, but it was a really good read and it was on the human need for tribalism. And if you look in so many areas of our society, whether it be sports or what you know, like I'm a I'm a Raiders fan, and I'm a Chiefs fan, I'm a you know, it's like everybody's looking to be on a team. I mean, how many people when they talk about their favorite baseball team, um, you know, they favor of references as we and it's yeah, yeah, it's like yeah, that's you know, um, Democrats, Republicans, like it's everywhere, It's everywhere. Pick your side vegan heah. And once you once you've pledged allegiance to Yeah, once you pledge allegiance to your team, you will make excuses and defend to to you know, to the end of time, your side, your team, no matter how wrong they are, no matter how bad it is, right how these athletes that you know, we've we accept on our teams they do. If there was any other human being that did this act, we would completely wash our hands of it. But because he runs all over a line and we give them fake points for it, it's different now, right, you know, over again? Politics, you know, politics, you know. For me, this is one one thing that the whole that the whole COVID narrative really showed me is how attached people were their politics to not be able to look beyond that, to look at a bigger picture. And they just assumed if my site's telling me this, then I must believe it and it must be right, you know, And it's um. It was sad to see and it was actually shocking for me being in the vegan community. A lot of the league community is going to skew towards your left leaning, liberal minded people, and but yet they were the ones that were like drinking all the kool and I'm like, wait a minute, but you know that you've been You've been lied to about this your whole life, right, like eating the animals, the health factor. You know, it's all been a big lie. But now you believe these people care about your health and they're gonna lead you down the right path, like and it was for no other reason then that's what their politics told them. They had to think, you know. And so you know, I got, I got. I've been attacked by both sides because I don't you know, politics to me is pro wrestling. Right, they pretend to fight each other, they will get paid by the same person. Yeah, it's not, it's not real. It's a distractionary tool, right, Yeah, yeah, you know it's not. It's like it's like they say, all right, we're gonna let you pick who's gonna, you know, be in WrestleMania. Okay, but here your choices John Cena brock Lessner. Right, well did you really get to pick if they already basically said, but oh, your selection is only these two people, right, yeah, we already vetted them. They're both okay. Um yeah, man, uh you know politics is an interesting one. And I'll tell you what I've I've ran the whole gamut. I was would it considered myself a liberal at a certain point in my life. The last person I ever voted for was a Democrat, which is a long time ago. But then then I realized, I'm like, oh, I'm getting worked and now I just don't subscribe to it. But if you disagree with one side, they assume you're the other side. Yes, yeah, there's no in between, there's no nuance, and that's that's what I just that can't and I struggle with it. Like you know, I'm I'm pretty okay with being criticized, and I feel like I got thick skin. But when some of these things come out about whatever the topic is, but you have to fit into this one on mold or the other, that's when it starts to really drive me crazy. Where like, Okay, if you're with this side on that thing, get a little freezing going on here, you have to be with that side on Well, it looks like we lost Bobby Fish and that's unfortunately, as I thought we were having a good conversation about everything butt wrestling, but we hadn't even gotten the wrestling par yet I was going to ask him a few questions about that while we're waiting for Bobby Fish to hopefully rejoin. So what should we do here? So wait, oh, wait, ere we go. Okay, hold on a second, all right, we're back. See you start talking about too many sensitive things, they just shut you down right like that. Man, you start getting too close to the truth. Right, everybody wants to go these electric cars. It's like, yeah, but you do know that they could just kill that kill that car anytime they want and design from driving. Play a little bit of that ordered a conversation on a podcast or something yesterday, And that's a crazy concept. I mean that then you need to shut your car off. It is crazy, just right. Or geofence right where they literally put they could put geo fencing up, so if you go put outside your district, shuts off. Yeah. Same with this digital currency, like the digital currency that they're using in China right now has expiration dates. So that's a good way to make sure people never accumulate wealth, they never pass it down to generations. You say, yeah, we'll give you three thousand dollars a month to be a good citizen. Make sure you're up to date on your shots, make sure your social credit score is above at six hundred, will give you three thousand every month, but you got to spend it on junk because at the end of the month it expires, right. I mean, this is the things people don't think about, is we want to get to a more convenient world with digital convenience. It's like, I take it, yes, we have to assume that the people in control are all going to be nice, thoughtful, loving people. But my counward to that is, I don't know that you can be a billionaire and be those things because I think you have to be wired a certain way to want to accumulate that that much wealth, and it's usually at the expense of the people that are underneath your boot. So it's yeah, I just I just tweeted something out about they just they're passing something called the Zero Draft, which is giving basically global authoritative powers to the World Health Organization to supersede all governments in the time of any type of pandemic to where they can decide policy. They can tell you if you can work or not, what kind of shots you have to take or not, what precautions if you can travel, what you can eat. I mean, so people want to say, well, you know, the one world government, how do we get there? What? We do it this way? We do it passively. We give these unelected officials governing powers to supersede all governments. And then again, who's the Who's the largest donor to the World Health Organization? The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Right, So, so in a roundabout way, unless you don't think Bill Gates is funding equals influence, Bill Gates becomes the dictator of the world because he has the authority over the World Health Organization, who now is the authority over the globe? And it's a crazy concept when you start connecting the dots. And also never mind the fact that Bill Gates is the largest land farm landowner in the United States right now at a time where he's trying to push people out of his fake burgers insects he wants to they want to start putting the MR and A into crops, so you don't have a choice. A lot of shit going on. But we're all worried about Rihanna's performances at the Super Bowl because she's sniffing her fingers after she grabs her crotch which is a little which is a little disturbing, don't get me wrong, and maybe maybe not you know appropriate. I remember remember the outrage with Janet Jackson hit popped out for like three seconds, and now we got we got women up there like, you know, just grabbing their crotchet stuff in it and like that's no big deal. Eh, you know, it's it's what, it's what my sixth grader saw the Drake's the Drake's whole story time last night. Yea certain uh situation. So my uh, my daughter, Uh, she's ten, and she loves to watch wrestling like my my wife and I since since we um just started dating years back. She started watching wrestling because I wrestled. She tunes in and she'll watch anything from NXT to smack Down to a e W. Anyway, UM, we had to explain to her because one night she was watching Um we had to explain to her. And I won't go into the details of it, but what fucking abortion was. There's no reason for that when you know, you tune into pro wrestling on a Monday or a Wednesday night, but well, somebody takes that platform their opinion on such a divisive matter like that, you know, and it's like it's just irresponsible, and you know, was quite um, you know, angry, like what the fuck now we're explaining to our ten year old, you know, because and meanwhile, we tuned in to watch wrestling on a Wednesday night, like to forget about the issues, right, yeah, right, to not talk about that stuff, you know. But yeah, how I digress. I finds interesting that that, you know, and I'm not gonna I can guess who you may or may not be talking about. But I found it odd that everyone champions, you know, the man then stand up for women's productive rights, was skipping over the fact that he also was trying to fuck all of them, which would make sense to why or he probably was pro abortion is because hey, right, and then to collective down to people just they they people love to have an opinion, but very few actually know, um what's up? And it's just you know, but what it is, what it is, Yeah, it's a it's a lot of it's a lot of trying to score points in my opinion, right and and and not really it's weird because you know, that's something that my stance has changed on over the years, Right, But I think that again, like what my thought is on it is more nuanced to your point earlier. And and then then it's either it's either pro rights or pro pro life. It's like, well, wait a second, Like there's a conversation to be had here if we can stop thinking it's either black or white. But to me, like I feel like half the time like we're on pranked. I'm waiting for someone to like come out and tell us because all the people that are the most like, no, it's pro choice. When it came to a vaccine, you know, we need demandate it. It's like, well, wait a second, are you pro choice or not? And it's not selectively pro choice. You either believe in the choice or when I do with my body or you don't, you know. And then and then along the same lines, they'll still argue, well, if we make abortion illegal, it's not going to stop abortions, which I one hundred percent agree with. But if you make gun ownership illegal, it's not going to stop people from owning guns. Well that's different. It's like, but it's not different. And you see how they keep they keep people and these and these constant contradictory stances that if they really were to stop and peel peel away from their party and just look at what they're believing it, they'd realize a lot of it's just it's nonsense because there's no continuity, or there's they're they're holding two opposite viewpoints at the same I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that it's very little in this world is one or the other. Is black and white, is right or left? Is Democrat Democrat Republican? Like most things fall into that gray area, you know, and it is it's the nuance the world that we live in. So when we try to pick a side and and be on a team, like, it doesn't work. You know, it can't work, No, And then for those of us in the middle that aren't on a team, we're just left like looking both ways, like what the fuck is happening right now? You know, Like you guys both step off your respective ledges and move to the center here, so we have like some adult conversations and find some solutions. Because while they keep people arguing two sides of a lie, both sides are alive. If they keep people arguing about two sides of lie, they'll never find the truth right and and that's where I feel like we're at right now, as we just got people no my sides right, No, my sides right, Like, well both your seeings are wrong. So now where we at? You know, so before we got before we had a little technical difficulties. I think you are starting to lead into a story about um perhaps about maybe some some you know, being attacked online or just you know, some of the things that you've that you've maybe dealt with. I don't I don't remember exactly where I was going with it, but I mean, if you bring up just being attacked um online, like I think recently the last couple of years, somewhat of the wrestling community fan wise has you know, have had taken exception with some some stances that were perceived that I had taken. And it just kind of is what it is. Somebody brought up something the other day that was pretty interesting to me that no one is harder on pro wrestling than pro wrestling fans. And you know, it really is right, It's true in so many ways, and it's like this business that I am so grateful to be a part of. And then I love like I'm sure you you can say the same it's also this business where it's gotten to a point where the interest is in the wrong place. Like people from a fan standpoint aren't as interested in the storylines because they don't want to be a mark. But if there's no mark, then you don't have the business. There is no business. Like then it's what you know, competition once was, and you know, I guess what MMA is now. But even that, there's a work in all of it, Like I just think people don't want to admit that, Like there's a work to everything everything. And I'm not evercious pro wrestling. I'm just you know, some of the stuff that I've had privileged to be a part of um and some of it definitely presented in in in you know ways other than it being called let's just say pro wrestling. You know, I'm not saying things were a work, but I'm not saying they were completely on the up and up either, you know, Like it just it's what this world is. And whether we're talking football or you know, Pride Fighting Championship or whatever you want to call it. Like, I mean, the list goes on and on, and there's a reason. There's a reason behind it all, and that's where I feel like the stance that some fans take and they're so passionate about it, and it's like you don't really even know what you're fucking defending. You really don't. Nope. I think I just saw Rapage Jackson clip maybe on the Van Fleet Show where he basically alluded to that, right, yes, said not in the UFC said, but they're definitely where worked Mix Marshall Arts and you know shows. I mean, listen, politics is a work religion in a lot of ways, it has been has been used as a work. You know. The healthcare system is of work. You know. It's like you go down the line, it's like five five, you know the work five? What's not the work? You know? Like and I think if I think some of it, but yeah, and it is that go ahead. It's our ego as Americans, because I think in the rest of the world, you go to a place like Japan, where I spent a lot of time and I became to to realize the subtle differences of work and shoot. Or in Japan where that line was way more blurry and didn't need a clear definition, and those faints, the society there was willing to appreciate them for the things that they were where in this country, Like, no, it's either either work or like, okay, that's the fake shit, or well, you know what, motherfucker, are you a little bit of your real shit has got some fake do it too, you know, or whatever you deem as as fake or performance or whatever. Like, it's just it's all very nuanced, and I just wish some kind times people we just appreciate the thing for what the thing is. Just sit back and enjoy it. Turn on the DV and if it's what you into, like, watch it and enjoy it. Whether that's the fucking super Bowl or it's Monday night raw, it doesn't matter. It's supposed to take you away from the stress and the bullshit of real life. Sure, yeah, it's it's true. I mean, I know, you know, Bound for Glory, you know, I you know it was a work, but everyone was convinced it was a shoot and it didn't matter. Yeah what I said, it's just because because they know better, you know, they oh, no better, I can't be then everybody's smart and and it's like but no, but you we all are. We're all marks. And I don't mean that in a wrestling sense. Like we're all marks to the world, like whether we whether we know it or not. And I think you know some people admit that. And that's where you start questioning everything yes put in front of you, because you're like, wait a minute, like I bet basically mark my whole life, right, I was a mark from food they I mean working down the food. They completely worked me on food, right and has been. It's like, okay, so what else are they working me on? Here? And it's like, oh, like the banking system, fucking work, taxes work right, Like go right down the line. It's like, it's sure fucking up work bullshit right, none, it's real insur you're not telling me I have to have health insurance and I pay my monthly and then when I go to use it, I've got to paying something else. I gotta pay you more. So I so I stopped health insurance, which I know, you know, initially a thought is, oh, that's risky, but it's funny. I had a conversation with with my uh my, my yoga instructor, great man is in his seventies. Raw you know pretty much raw vegan no pills, healthy healthies, healthies can be And so we're talking about it, and he said, money's at her right. He's like, why would I want to focus my energy on a system that basically puts me in fear of being sick? Right? He said, I know, he said, I don't go to the doctors. I haven't been in the doctor in forty years. I don't take pills. He's like, but the minute I start feeding my energy or my money into this system, it's it's fear based system, says oh, in case I get sick. So now you're already putting this concept and idea that you're going to get sick out there. So like just from an energetic standpoint, and man, when he put it like that, I was like, I don't even feel bad about not paying in the health insurance anymore because AI listen, if I were to get diagnosed or if I thought I was sick with something right now, that would literally be the last place I would turn for answers. There is a number of different holistic healthcare modalities and other things I would seek out before I went to get radiation per se or different you know, things that the Western medicine pushes. So yeah, I just but it is such a work right, like that our health ensured. And Vonnut's a hyperriartical situation. It's hypothetical, hypothetical, such a reasonable where if you sit and you think about it and you put enter land into it, you know you will manifest It's it's amazing. It's amazing to me. All the people that I'm seeing that have continued to wear their masks, that have taken their third or fourth booster are the ones getting COVID. And most of my friends that pretty much dismissed this a long time ago and just went about their life living it normally. They just keep getting lucky and skirting this thing, and I don't seem to get sick. And it's like, do you think that maybe if you live in this constant fear if you're going to catch something, that eventually you're going to catch it, right, even if it is a placebo effect or you're just manifesting this, your fear or lowers your immune system, right, stress lowers your immune system. If you're constantly in fear, you're constantly stressed out, you're actually doing yourself a disservice and you're going to get the very thing you're a friend. And I think that that's I do believe it's a concept over the last few years, the manifesting and the energy and things that, like, there was a time in my life where, sad to say, I wrote a lot of that stuff off as woo woo and no that's not you know, But the older I get, the more I realized, like I was saying before, there's that energy and trusting your gout or or that you know, the energy somebody gives off, Like you know, when somebody comes into a room, there's certain people their energy is just fucking it. If it had a smell, it would be a stitch, it would stink. You'd be like, no, I can't be around that. Mother. Yeah, and that shit is real, you know. I'm a when it can. No more time I say that is lisn't in the blame. I'm just saying this account. I'm going in the baby, the world, and I'm yours. Jeff Counting Media rout