What's she gonna do? Brother? When Jeff Townsend media runs wild on you. If you brief you got well, Actually, you know what, Before we get to wrestling, I wanted to talk like, so, how many fights did you have now under your belt? I know you had the one? Oh I have you had another one since then? The one boxing fight there was supposed to be a two fight deal. Uh, and that was in place. The hope was that it would even be like kickboxing or MMA for the second fight. Um, but I don't think that company is gonna end up running again. So, UM, where it has me now is I'm I'm kind of Uh. Any fight that I would do in combat sports at this point has to be professional. I had three amateur kickboxing fights. Um, but this is going back like ten years ago. UM, but I can't do amateur now. Everything's got to be professional. So I'm just trying to try to get another fight somewhere. I fight just I don't even I was gonna I was gonna suggest. I was gonna suggest you and me, but I'm a complete amateur, so that's that's not gonna. I mean. I just so I think you can you can probably relate to this, Um, when I first got into pro wrestling very much, UM had the same feeling about it as I did play in sports my whole life. You know, I've been an athlete since I was a kid. And the more time I spent in pro wrestling, the more the difference became apparent to me. And the biggest difference I find between them is that in pro wrestling, because variables are controlled, etc. Etc. You are asked to spin plates and spend lots of plates, and then when you think you can't spend any more plates, somebody adds two or three more, and that I don't know. It's not to say that I don't love that I do. But then there's sometimes where I just want to go out and fucking compete, you know, I just I want to have a single minded focus of I'm gonna try to hurt you, you're gonna try to hurt me. I'm gonna try to win. You're gonna try to win, not TV time and commercial time, and you know, this guy's got to go over and I gotta cheat, and you know what I mean, Like, sometimes I just want to go out and compete, and I think that that's an itch that you know, I've wanted to scratch again for for a while, and um, the boxing match in Dubai fell on my lap. I got an opportunity to scratch that edge. Um, I'd like to do it a couple more times, I think before my body doesn't want to do this more. Yeah, you're not You're not exactly getting in as a you know, most of these guys are probably you know, getting in their twenties, right like with the wrestling, you know, so you're you're like trying to You're ekes them out at the at the tail end, which which I give you even more like respect for because you know, no, it's not easy at any age. But but you know, as you get up there, and you know, fractions of seconds mean a lot more in in professional fighting than it doesn't pro wrestling. We can always work around our limitations, and pro wrestling you don't have to luxury into And I think you know, I wouldn't be under the misperception of like, Okay, well, at this point in my life, I can do this at the highest level. Like I'm not trying to do it at the highest level. I'm trying to do it at the level that um, I'm allowed to do it at. I don't know where that bar is, you know. UM, I know that I had to fight in Dubai. Um it was the first time that I would have a professional boxing match and I won, which is the best case scenario I could have hoped for. So is what it is. I'd like to fight again. UM, I'd like to be able to use my feet in this fight whatever wherever it is. And I remever it's against but you know, it's just it's just that that thing to go out and compete, and I feel like it's you know, it's something I've done my whole life. So, so you said you can't do anything amateur? Is that is it? Because you've done a professional right now? You can't go back amateur fight? Yeah, once you that's the rule. Okay, it's like, can you just like run your own show? Like no, I don't know. There's guys like right like he is Um Warren Thompson. UM kind of befriended him online. He came on the podcast. He's uh, he's a guy that that's for MMA, he's for kickboxing. UM. I think he's the bare knuckle I think he's being KFC heavyweight champion right now. I think Um, but Warren he started his own I mean he's a veteran of fighting combat sports for for years, but he started his own kickboxing league in a Atlanta I believe. So it's not too far from me here in Florida. But it's amateur, you know, so because Warren was like him, man, I would I would get John tight if I could. But you know, and I guess the other things work out for a reason, right, Like my wife is not going to co suckering for me go spend hours, um doing something that is preparing me, h for an event that I'm not getting paid for anyway at this point in my life. So we'll be able to do another amateur fight, right right? Right? You know? So um and the thing in you buy like you know, all things aside, like you know it paid well. And yeah, I mean we're we're prostitutes, right, yeah we really, Yeah, a lot of ways we are. I'm still waiting for it, and I'm surprised. I want to see tag team MMA with a tag rope in the corner. You can mix some you can mix some weights up. I figured ad alement of excitement something right that imagine? You know, what do you think Russia, not Texas Tornato styles. You saw that, Yeah, I think I saw that. Yeah that I saw that one. Yeah that's different. That's just gonna's it really was, because once a couple of guys gotta take it out, then you're like out numbered, Like the guys are just getting fucking destroyed. Yeah, I mean, like guys like to be on the april. Like could you imagine a hot tag in a like legit mma fucking tag match, you know, like you know, like yeah, you know, I'm friends with Frank me or I'm smatch, Like you gotta got big like Frank miror teaming up with a smaller guy. It right, you got like a Georg seat here and there, you know, Connor McGregor, and then you got two big guys on the other side and like man, like you know, he's got him as he's trying to get over to make the tag in the corner and he touches and like, no, man, I think they'd be out of shit. You know, pull some resources together and then yeah, right, you can promote amateur shows and just can't compete on her. Right, let's get people in to start a sign up sheet. I think it's great. You know, there's there's a lot of us aspiring, you know, fake MMA guys in pro wrestling. You know, ship one of them got to fight UF see even you know, good for hey, he got paid, good for him. I figured it take me like three weeks. I feel stepping and to take something on that caliber. But no, a lot of respect, I mean a lot of respect for that. It's it's a whole it's a whole different game. And by the thing is if he trained, if you if you actually trained pro wrestling with any MMA fighters, they actually gain a level of respect for what we do is pro wrestling because they don't. And like when I when I was in there working with Frank, you know, he kind of had this perception of it was a lot of angles and camera tricks. And the first time I hit him with an actual forearm, he was like, holy shit. You know, like that if you would have followed through with that, with the torque and everything you could have, you could have knocked me out. It's like, yeah, it's like that's the art of what we do. And then also just that having to get down and get back up and get down and get up. I al would say, if you're good going into an MMA fight, you have a chance of getting out of their unscained. Whether it's either you get choked out quickly, you choke the guy out, it's a quick submission. But we sign up every match we know we're gonna get kicked in, punch and dropped. No, I think it's the misnomer of much. The controlling the variables, it actually makes it a bit more UM, I guess dangerous for lack of a better term, you know where, Like I truly think if it were kickboxing or and I mean I've said it in the past, like I have less concern for UM. I mean outside of maybe a concussion like doing a live kickboxing fight, just because I've done martial arts since I was a kid, Like, it's not it's something I'm very comfortable with. Where you know, pro wrestling you just you don't know. I mean one of my one of my concussions was Keith Lee pressed me and threw me out of the ring in NXT and Kyle was catching me and it just happened to be that like the way he threw me, and I I trusted him and still do UM. But the way that he threw me my shed UM was coming down as opposed to my feet, and so it was just like a game of fucking inches and that was one of my concussions. And it's like it says, it's not happening in kickboxing, you know, right unless you're really bad like me, your weight, like you know, man, or you got these short got these short arms here. You can't like just getting just guys just flighting me able with jams. I'm like, I'm never gonna win there, and I got the shortland I don't. I don't have there's weights, that's for sure. Yeah, even that though weight classes, bro. I mean, come on, guys my height are fighting probably like one twenty five, you know. And I'm saying guys, and all of a sudden, I could maybe get down. I'm probably walk around like one seventy five or eighties, so maybe I get down to one fifty five. But those guys like six two, you know, it's like I'm I'm not even quite five foot yeah, but yet, Um the fight I did in Dubai, we fought at one eighty yeah, and I think I saw it the yeah you know, guys won eighty are walking around oh yeah, um yeah. The whole week cutting thing it's uh, that's another world, truly another world. Yeah. Man, it's like the opposite of pro wrestling, right, Like we're trying to gain an extra two you know, say yeah, I wear my pro wrestling boots and my mm a fight, then I'll be five, you know. Yeah. Yeah, you've done a lot of tag wrestling. Who's uh, like, like, who's your what was your favorite tag team There's actually a question Jeff wanted to ask you that he's not figured asked, Um, what's your favorite tag team match you've been in? And why? And then the second question is will you be Twitter friends of the well don't bother? Well I will, Well, we'll have to kind of deflate the balloon. Um, I got so sick of Twitter that Twitter is not me anymore. I can't even go on. It's the most toxic. Yeah, so someone else's so bad Twitter, I can't even go there. You're oh kind of like buff Bagwell it's a buff Bagwell super woke. I was like, wow, we love buff Bagwall Now comes out somebody else running fuck buff bag while he's a piece of shit. That's like at least you guys aren't fast. Yeah, yeah, did you? Oh man, that's awesome. Yeah, it was great. But time it looks like he's doing well. Yeah, he's sober um, which I think is Uh, it's a big thing for a lot of people that we grew up watching um and uh, those were were hard living years and um, I will say, I think that's one thing that our generation in pro wrestling kind of left in the past. And I'm happy to say that not gonna have to deal with the alcohol issues. We're all gonna have badcakes gamer thumb though as we get into our settle arthritis and neo, so it's gonna be a problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Um. All right, tag team favorite tag team wrestling match that I visit match. You've had a lot um yeah, that you were in. I mean, there were definitely a few good ones that Kyle and I had with with the Young Bucks over in Japan. There were a couple that we did state side, uh for Ring of Honor um. One of the we we did a takeover, So the take overs were really special. I think that the time that we were in nxt UM NXT was not to too our horn personally, but I just think it it had kind of come full circle and become this place that from from a critical acclaimed standpoint, it was untouched enough by certain hands. Um, it was just it was a kind of a nice window of time where all was right in the pro wrestling world, and that there was a match that Kyle and I had the opportunity to do against AOP. It was a takeover, I believe in Philly. And you know, the fan in me being a a big fan of like the NWA, Crockett Ears and whatever. Wow, so Art and Tully versus the Road Warriors was always you know, And and I became a sugar and I became a wrestler. I began to appreciate it way more because of the way that I was understanding what I was watching as opposed to you know, being a kid and just you know, seeing the shoulder bads and the spikes and like the fucking muscles. Um. Yeah, and uh, I really feel like Kyle and I got to uh step into the role of arn and Tully in that uh in that scenario, and you know, I only had to look outside the ring and see fucking Paul ellering on the floor, and it was like a surreal sort of having you know. So yeah, I guess that that would be one of my favorites. Nice, I like it. I like it. Yeah, it was like clash of styles where it's just so apparent just looking at the teams, you know, and see what strategy is gonna win out. It's too bad with AOP. I was, you know, I was an XT when they were when they were still that when they were down there, and I thought that I tied up potential, you know, I mean they really did. They were they were super young and and and green um and but as we found out there ended up being better wrestlers and were promoters. Unfortunately agreed. So that's that's the goods do add very good dudes. Really, you know, we got we had a good long run. Super nice guy Zam And I think part of it too that was rewarding about it was that hunter he trusted us to be in that role. And I think you could probably relate to this too, is like that was kind of the worker that I think Kyle and I always prided ourselves and being in saying with even Adam and Roddy when we were all on the group together, was you know that we were we were workhorses. We were guys that wanted to go out and take bumps and and do the business right, help help make other people, help get other people over, you know, helped just do the business the right way, you know. I think that's something that going back to the smart wrestling fan that for as smart as they think they are, they they miss a lot of times in who good workers are or not good workers are. You know, what a good what a good heel is. You know, I just had this conversation with some shows I did in Canada, you know, and being a heel isn't being a jerk. Being a heel is getting the other guy over, is getting the baby face over, you know. So the only reason I'm trying to put myself over initially is a heel and also make you hate me, is so that I have something to give to the other guy at the end of the day. Right, I take all this value that I bestowed upon myself or the company does with titles or pushes. That's all fine, but that's all to eventually pack a jup and give to the baby face to get him over, you know. And so a lot of guys like to do the first half of be in the heel, but then when it comes time to do the second part and give it to the baby face and let them get over it. That's so they don't really want to be there. We go and then that's where that, you know, the business in today's incarnation gets fucking asked backwards. I I you know, to to talk about how many times yeah that Ben in the scenario where the baby face, um was certainly able to give me, you know, let me know what the pieces of his comeback were. Um, but in the middle of the heat, you know, to ask him to sell was like fucking uh, you know, blasphemy. And it's like you got to realize, dude, like your hot tag means so much less if you don't tell before it, you don't know if you're okay. It's like it's left to say that. It's not to say that it won't work at all. I mean, we won't get thrown off TV, but it's certainly not going to the lasting impact that it's supposed to have if you don't sell for me, No, not at all. I just so I'll share a quick story of a similar situation I just had in Canada. I was working with a young kid and he's got a lot of good intangibles. He's got charisma, he can work the mic. He's got you know, he looks he looks pretty decent for his age. But he's one of those heels as also just trying to be over. And the problem is that a lot of times is we're all kind of rogue independence. So there's not a lot of like teamwork when you go work promotions. Everyone's there for themselves to get themselves over and sell their t shirts or sell their pictures. And so the angle for the night was I decided the last night I wanted to I wanted to be a heel because I thought it was would would be better for everything. Plus, this kid was from this area. He had a lot of his friends and family there. So he said, so It'sny, You're gonna be the baby face. We're gonna put you over at the end of the night. So my tag the guy who ends up being my tag partner the night before, the role was reversed. And so this guy got hit in the face with the belt by this young kid and I was able to beat him. So he comes out and calls the kid out to basically make him apologize for not only hitting him in the face of the belt, but also losing to Austin Areas after it happened. So the kid cuts a good promo baby face promo and refuses the apology. So the big guy jumps him and starts beating him up. So I hit the ring to make the save, you know, and I grabbed the mic and I go, oh, you think you're a big man beating up a kid. Well I'm a big man too, And then I decked the kid and we both started putting the boost. So here's like two grown men, now, like you know, in their late thirties early forties, beating up this kid who hasn't he hasn't even hit his twenties yet, not even a league, you know. So now you know, I kicked him out of the ring to cut a promo, and instead of selling, he stared out outside the rag with his chest boat out like he's tough. So now you have no sympathy. Okay, fine, So I kind of scathing promo on him, and his family's there, and I kind of promo on his family, and I was daddy bought his title belt for him because he can't win one on his own and all this stuff, and said, you know, I'm yeah, I've been a five time world champion. I'm coming here, and it's like, you know, it's like I'm at you know, play school. I'm babysitting. You know. You think you belong in my wrestling ring tonight. Go find yourself a tag partner in the main event. Will do this? Okay? And and segment, I put the mic down the ring. I go to walk to the back, and what do I see? This kid do? Gets in the ring to cut to finish the promo. So I do the only thing I could do. I do a you turn. I get back in the ring. He doesn't know what's happening now, and I'll just start and not really beating him up, right, I just start roughing him up. We're in a worked way getting rough with him. Kick him back either ring. I said, oh, you think you get to have the last word, Like you don't get to have the last word. And I was like, I'm not playing, I said, I said if you I said, if you get back in this ring, you are not gonna make it to the main event tonight because I'm gonna beat you up right now. And so he finally goes to the back and I get downstairs. So I said, what the fuck are you doing? I said, why did you Why did you get back in the ring? Why did you grab the mic? Well, I thought that, I said, that's your first problem. You're not being paid to think. You're being paid to just shut up and listen right now. You don't know what you're doing. I said, dude, that well, I was getting buried, right. That was the heat segment. That was to get heat and sympathy on you, because at the end of the night, I'm putting you over there pitying me. You're beating me. That wasn't for you there to have a last word. That was for you to get beat up and sell. But instead of doing that, you sit out there like you're top. And then you thought you needed to have the last word. The segment. Well, so like when I went back out there and start beating him up, but he said, the old crowd starts to popp it for me, right, So his dad, his dad comes to back. He's like, he just buried him out there. He's like no, They promotors like, no, the kid buried himself. Like instead of selling and the being sympathetic, he's trying to be tough to a guy twice at age who credentials, and instead of selling to being sympathetic, he's trying to be you know what it's like. But this is where we've lost understanding what the rules are and what we're supposed to do in those roles. Because and this is where and this is where I think the video game culture is hurt pro wrestling. We treat video games now like or pro wrestling like their video games. We treat pro wrestling like their video games. We just want to mash buttons and see cool move sequences. But as you said earlier, the storylines and these things I would care I agree. I think you know, you know um similarly but a little bit different in that guys nowadays everybody wants to do everything like big guys want to do moon salt. Of course, all guys want to pick you up, et cetera, et cetera. And it's like, okay, where have we lost the concept that like there's cooperation, that's why you can check all the boxes. So like when it comes to MMA, MMA has progressed to the point where like, if you're not good at everything, you're gonna get exposed. So you've got you can't really be a specialist. Yes, that's where MMA has gone pro wrestling is not that we that the styles still make the fights. So like when it comes to pro wrestling, the difference between the two styles may make it or the similarity or whatever it is, but like have your lane and stay in it. It's still the old school, like Street Fighter video game, where like the style makes the fight. You know, like Guile's not gonna fight the way that fucking Blanca does, you know, right, even though he could, right right, probably could do the same moves, But that's just because you can doesn't mean you should. I've had this argument with guys. Of course. It's what makes me an asshole, because I will I will argue this point. I had a guy I was doing a match with and he was a lot bigger than me, so the story of the match was easiest his size and strength versus my spin quickness. Well, he wanted he wanted to do the mare Offuji rebound clothesline off the rope, and I said, in a second, now you're quicker than me too. Well, it's just it's just one of the things I do. I was like, okay, well then I'm going to give you a joke slam after that. Well, that doesn't make any sense. I'm like, well, it makes as much sense as what you're I said, if you can legit do that to me without me catching you, then you do it. But I guarantee I'm quicker than you. Right. It's like you know or yeah, these guys you know, like you know, they're two hundred and eighty pounds and they want to wrestle like their meat. They're hundred and eighty pounds, and I just I don't. It's like, guys, I jumped off the rope because I had to, not because I wanted to. If I could, just like if I give you a big boot, God my god, I oh, I love it, I rack you up with a torchure rack. No, Bob's just black said, I would have loved that shit. I did what I had to do to make people believe I could compete with guys bigger than me, right, and uh but it's like, well, if those guys are gonna do that, then I'm listening that. You know, just it does it? It drives you crazy because you're like, okay, you know you and I are both smaller guys. Um. I've had instances where I've I've argued that point with people and it's like okay, um, well let's just flip the script a little bit. If I don't want you, if I don't let you pick me up, you're not picking me up if you understand, right, Like we go out there and I let you like yeah, you're a big dude, but like yeah, I mean if if I don't don't want to let you get me off the ground, like either one you won't get me off the ground or two, it's gonna look like shit, you know. And it's like that where I just get this scwed and they get it all fucking backwards. And I think it's the thing I talk about this when I do seminars a lot, you know that I think where we're a lot of wrestlers are kind of fucking themselves, is there's this disconnect between who they walked to the ring as as a character and then how they start wrestling once the bell rings right. And I always use like stone Cold Steve Auston for example, if you go watch Stunning Steve Auston and how he wrestled, that's not how stone Cold Steve Auston wrestled. And if stone Cold Steve Auston would have came out and done Stunning Steve move sets. Because Stunning Steve is a great technical wrestler. He could do all the stuff. But if Stone Cold would have done that, you're like, wa, wait a minute, I thought this guy's stopping a muggle on. You know, I always doing arm Drake dropped, you know, arm Drake hiptops drop Kake, and would it would have made any sense, It would have completely disconnected you from the character of Stone Cold. And I think a lot of guys suffer from this. For me, my gimmick was and it's literally the worst fucking gimming you get. Pick I'm a good wrestler, right, Like, that's the hardest dollar to earn in pro wrestling, is right. It's like Dean Malenko got what like fifteen cents for every thousand and one moves that he Ulkgan made like a million dollars for everyone that he did, right, Like, that's not the gimmick you want to have, trust me, it's the one. It's the one. It's the one that it was my strength. So that's what I had to go with. But like, if I had a good, strong gimmick and character, right like, you know, like stick to your thing, and so I think we're and then what happens is to your point is all the matches look the same all the movie and so like, where's the entertainment value? Because the excitement for me even go to go to the early UFC, that was the old concept of UFC was to seal the style differences between a taekwondo guy versus a movie tie guy. Or again Seagali kois Gracie finding it again against the three po street Fighter. It's like that they had you know, he had a guy. We can still do that progress who that wore one boxing glove, you know, I mean, uh, and it was great. It was it was like it was a video game come to life. It was you know, and and obviously things progressive evall and and MMA is what it is today. But like I said, that's the difference. Like MMA, even even the UFC today compared to ten years ago is almost like a night and day difference. I mean, yeah, people are punching and kicking each other and choking each other, but in such a different way than it was even even ten years ago. Um, the fights between Chuck Ladell and UM Rampage don't look like the UM Yere Rodriguez and fucking Josh Emmett fight that I just watched a couple of weeks ago. It's just it, they're they're very, very different. Mixed martial arts has become its own, yeah, martial arts style where you have to be proficient in all the different modalities of traditional martial arts if you want to compete at that level. Like you said, you can't just write and then these are wrest on Bob saying or this casway through. No, like, no, you can't it. You've got the kids nowadays that are coming into their own are kids that have been training mixed martial arts since they were six. You know, it's not the kid that trained like Kwando, right, and they're not pictured Judo and has been bothering for two years. No, that's you know, that's the progression. Yeah. But with wrestling, that being that it's you know, staged and a performance, we don't have to adopt that same everybody does everything mentality. And I've always said this, it's like, you know, I'll ask guys like, oh, well, do you think if we if we had a night of wrestling and every match was a comedy match? Would that be a good night of entertainment and like, well, no, not really, okay, So why do you why do you think every match is trying to be a four star Meltzer jerk off, you know, main event match with dives and fight forever and false finishes. Why do you think that's any better of a night of entertainment? Right? We want to we want to have a variety, and because you're only going to get the same reaction so many times from the same thing in one night. Right, If the first match does the old sunset flip, pull the trunks down and expose the guy's ass spot, you're gonna get a pop in a laugh. If match two does it, probably not a reaction. If match three does it, you might be paying some of your kids for the exit door, because we're like, wait, what was the promoter of this show? Right, Like everyone's showing their ass, right, So, same thing with it, say with getting hit with a steel chair, samething bleeding, same thing with diving out of the ring, same thing with doing the big back and fourth spot. You're only gonna get that reaction so many times in one night. So that's why it's like we got to work together and our best to make sure that we're giving as many different types of reactions we can, so that we're not stepping on each other, and we're not wasting our bumps in our physicality and and given giving the audience the best, the best show we can. And so I think that's a little bit of a lost art. But now we're just we're just yelling, yelling at the clouds and art we Bobby Fish. I'm pretty sure. That's pretty sure. That's what everyone's gonna say about this podcasts. How I just sat there and yelled at the clouds. We're firmly on top of the soapbox. That's hey, And it's nice to see what it looks like to be six feet you know. It's the only time I get it's the only time I get to see that perspective of being six feet talls one in my life. I'm on my soapbox. Yeah, well, I feel like we keep talking, but we'll save something when I come on your podcast. And so let's let's schedule that soon. And uh, we're gonna do it back to back the same night. We're like, oh, it's good. We'll be sick of each other if we got to talk to each other for straight, you know, I mean, yeah, nothing else. I was thinking, maybe we need to start a podcast together. Hey man, you know a vegan fa good fish podcast or something right like fishes if we have to fishes murder. That's some tanked you know. One more it's somewhere, yeah, yep, yeah, yeah, good stuff. Man. Well, I appreciate your time. We've we've hit about an hour and a half, which is great. We'll probably we'll probably cut this up into two episodes. Um, I haven't actually and I don't know we might even cut this out. But I'm actually taken off to India for a couple of months. I haven't announced it on here yet. I'm gonna go live in at ashram and dive into my high yoga and spirituality for a little bit and completely disconnect from the world. I'm very grateful to be in a part of my life where I'm not tied down to anything, whether it's you know, I sold my house a couple of years back and Vegas went to Mexico for a year. That was a great journey, and I've just felt like this has been building for a while. So I'm gonna go over there and and go experienced India. For a couple of months, and who knows, Maybe maybe I don't come back. Maybe I come back with the red dot on my forehead, long long, long white beard and long white hair. I just stopped coloring the soft color on the beard. Just go Australia, cut back, look the Irandy savagely who I am if if I don't put the bear die in? And I didn't do that when I Oh, yeah, I first got um when I first was under no contract and I did an interview that I didn't realize it was going to be a video and the video component and I was all of white. I had just you know, like just not shaved and didn't give it. Yeah yeah, And people jerk their fucking lids, and it's like I'm forty about it or strange. If I didn't have great hair, this is more unknot yeah, look out exactly. But yeah, did Keith Lee just come out with his gray hair? Like did I just start us out out of TV? Because and and and yeah, and it's the truth almost. And I remember thinking the first time I saw Kevin Nash with the gray hair, and I remember thinking like, oh, it looks good. But I also remember thinking like, wow, it looks different and it's the same thing. It's the same thing. It's not ready to syeah because as a fan, what it does is it reminds of our own mortality and that we're getting older, right because this is stuff I remember from our childhood. We expected to never change. But th that's just part of the celebrity, right, Like you're expected to never age as a celebrity and always being TV presentable. Um so, but I do know for me personally, like I know how I feel and I don't feel old, and so there's there's something when I look in the mirror and like the guy looking back and me looks bolder and I'm just not there yet. And it's okay. It's like I always say this, I'm not trying to live some pristine life. I'm just trying to be a conscious consumer. So I get to pick the poisons, not you know, not the collective, right, like not the corporations. So it's like I'm gonna eat really clean over here and not eat this junk. But I might have a whiskey and I might color my beard, and I know that that shit's not good for me. But hey, there's there's no like magic formula I following and never die. So all I'm just you know, it's like I'm just trying to bring ballots to it. We're all in the same place, right and we don't get to take it, don't get to take any of this ship with us either, So you know, I'd say it was going to keep in mind, I've had this conversation, would you rather die with one hundred million in the bank or one hundred million in debt? No, I don't have any kids or a wife. So for me, I feel like I win the game if I'm one hundred million in debt, that if I got on a million stack in the lot to argue with, you know, I mean, there's we're all worried about debt. And he's like, I just keep taking all the credit card offers they send me. They keep just sending me credit card offers like oh, we're gonna give you no interest for for twelve months. I'm like, okay, great, I just use this one for the next two months. I never keep up balance on these things. I just use them for the free money back. We'll give you two hundred bucks if you do this. But I'm gonna trying to see how much I can rack up and like credit and then what's this, Like, I feel like this ship's really gonna hit the fan. I'm just gonna max it all out and they'd be like, piece, I'm out. Yeah, that's gonna find me. I'm going to India. I just bought yo. I just I just bought six years worth of like yoga, like yoga study for the price of India. It's so cheap over there. Still, it's like, I go live in India for like ten years on my credit cards and I'm like, ah, come get me, like, oh no, my payments, Oh no, my credit score is bad. Like this shit's all but the collapse anyway, right, Oh I get no digital currency and white Yeah right, that's it. I'nna sitting there huts somewhere teaching yoga, doing meation. And then we can give a shit about we're gonna deactivate your Twitter account. Please do it. It's okay. No, I'm not gonna pay it for Twitter Blue. I don't give a shit, you know. Yeah, that's it's gotta where I'm at. But uh yeah, man, I take off at the end at the end of March, so uh maybe we'll hop on them. Yeah, we have at that's something I think. Well, that's right. We're scheduled. We're scheduled, like two guys. Keep me on track. Yeah, well I don't fucking remember anything. Yeah I need that too, Hey, bro okay, old school five calendar. I start writing all this dogs, I'm gonna get myself diffused. Right, So we didn't even do uh because we you know, I usually do something called big Bird wants to Know. And I've got questions in here that the listeners have sent and I usually like to pick I usually like to pick one out. Do you want to participate before we wrap this up? All right? Give me one second? Here? Is it cheating? If I go back and if we will tell anybody okay, this is good. The good look man, that is us. I'll let fucking look right there. I got this back, and I dare anybody to try to find a happen. This is so bittage right now. I bought this back in college, right, so yeah, I've had this forever. All right, So well, well this is a question I think we can both answer. So this question comes from conic kel. I hope I'll pronounced that right. Maybe it's keel, but I'm gonna say kelum, and he was he wants to know what's the worst move or bump of my career. I will let you answer this one first. Do you can you recall the worst move or bump that you've ever taken? Um, maybe it's the one you just talked about with Keith Lee. You torpeno on your ad is or anything else that sticks fantastic bump. Um trying to think if there was anything in the well. So just just for the sake of um variety, the last war Games match, Um, I shook the fence, which you would expect to do multiple times in a ward Warps match, right, and so that I didn't take the fence with my face. I put my arm up. I got a big laceration to my elbow and it wasn't until after the match that they were they were looking inside to check it out, and they realized that like, um, it actually it. I tore my tricep, but I didn't tear it. Whatever cut my elbow severed my tricep. Yeah, so I triesep had to be reindued. Um. But it was one of those like freak oh man, can things you know what? Well, what are the odds yeah, and at the time, because a journaline is usually pumping for us, so we don't really know, Like it always takes forty five minutes after the match for you to really really assess the damage. I feel like, did you know at the time, nim something of what that just? I was like, could your body just tells you? Yeah, something's not right? So I knew, and there was a good amount of blood, so like I knew, like, Okay, well, yeah, I'm I'm a little fucked up, but I can keep going. And because I didn't feel sure, my tricep was still attached. It was still hanging on by a thread, so it didn't roll up, so I didn't feel any of that. So I was like, yeah, I couldn't have torn anything. And it wasn't until after um Tara, one of the medical staff, she was looking in there to kind of clean it out, and she saw a bone where she was supposed to see tendon and she was like, okay, yeah, you tend you gotta go. Yeah, Um that allowed that keep you out four nuts. Um. For some reason, the information I got was like six weeks and it was actually sixteen weeks. Okay, Oh wow, you're a slow healer because you haven't gone vegan at Bobby. Yeah, so you you were back in four weeks, had had you been vegan at that? And I remember doing the countdown and thinking to myself, like not really doing much with this arm yet. Maybe it's like all all in the last week, maybe they're going to have you belit that fighter in the UFC just have one box singling at her. I was to get back in with one boxing glove. You'll be all right, that's crazy, man. Yeah, And it's a lot of times it's it's it's those freak things too that that that get us and you um so for me. So actually, and and ConA recalled this bump that I took. It was at Hardcore Justice two thy twelve. This was probably the scariest, but I actually, by the grace of God, was pretty unscathed. I had a pretty bad surface bruise. But so I was on the top rope. I was on the top rope and I had I wasn't wrestling Bully Ray and he came with a big boot to my face and I wanted to take it to the floor, like take the bump to the floor, but you know, we'd like to control that ourself. But when he came, for whatever reason, if I wasn't quite ready, he came with a lot of force and I straight john Wood backwards from the top rope and I just and I landed right on my ass, right into the guardrail right like just hit it perfectly, And it was just like it was kind of in shock where I was like, oh shit, like that just happened. But then I was like, I think of okay. But then when I got up, I heard the crowd go oooh, and like I had like a big raspberry on the whole back side of my back. Can you go back and see this if you look at the video. But Bulli Bulli Ray, being a constant professional, he just worked. He just worked the injury now, right, It's like we had sympathy, we had heat. Right, So that was probably like one of the scarier ones, but the worst one. Surprisingly back to our buddy Jay Briscoe. We were working there as mean Roderick actually work in the Briscoes in England, and I went to give him a reverse her akarana, which can be a difficult move. It's a timing thing, and our timing was just a little bit off, so I got folded sideways when I was trying to go back into the herra karana, and it actually ripped my floating rib from the cartilage on my side. Yeah, and that was like one of the more painful things. I couldn't. I couldn't wrestle the next day. I wanted to, but I couldn't bump. I couldn't. It was even hard to breathe. Um. And that's something even still to this day lingers a little bit. I'll be sitting in a in a you know, the airplane and a seat, and I was just starting to get that a little bit in that lower rib because again we started talking with cartilage or for you, like tendon damage like that stuff that's different than breaking a bone. You know that can that can kind of sit with you for a while. So that was probably the worst worst of my career. And actually it doesn't shock me, you say the cartilage um. In uh college, playing football, I had an injury to the cartilage in my rib cage and it was so painful and what I what what was shocking to me because I played the following week, but I didn't practice all week to get to rest. It was when we got into the game. Um, when I would try to run, running at like mid speed was okay. But if I tried to run like full sprint, I couldn't keep myself up. That makes sense, like that, you know you nearly like it. I came to understand what walking or running is a series of falling forward and catching yourself. That was like, you know, really like like holy shit, like I don't have the ability to keep myself all right without pain catchers. Running the hop speed was just not an option. My high school team. We were a brand new high school when I when I went to high school, so we had no football program and was all being developed, and we were very very bad. Um. They put me at D tackle at about one hundred and fifteen pounds under twenty five poulets, right, but told me I was too short to play safety. I was a center fielder, a very good center fielder for the baseball team. You went to college for baseball, and I could hit. I'd like to hit people. They put me in safety. Oh, you're kind of short for safety, so put me at D tackle. Yeah, it's the difference. Just shoot the gaps and grab ankles. That was my job. Shoot gaps and other ankles. Anyway, good stuff. Yeah, man, right, Bobby Fish, been a fun conversation. Appreciate you spending time with me here tonight, and uh yeah, we'll do it again some time. And yeah, maybe we'll do some tag team MMA if here, well we test, I'll stand on the April a little tag team wrestling somewhere first that we could sing, Oh man, if you're ready for the wrath of the Internet wrestling fan at this point, like I've just cut the little boy where I'm like, all right, you guys aren't really my people anyway, so I'm pretty shit. That's kind of how I feel a lot of times. There's a lot there's a lot of days and this isn't going to score me a lot of points. But it's the truth, and that's that's what we're. That's what we're you know we do here on the Usinario show. We just tell the truth. I look out and I go, man, these were the people I decided to try to dig in their pockets and pull money out of what the fuck was I'll be honest, I get to that conclusion. It's always the same one where it's like I think I'm more comfortable with you not liking me than liking me. I think I'm happy that you don't. Yeah, yeah, I would be more concerned if you did like me. You know, there's I've said that about certain people in wrestling who who like talked, you know, I got like Jim Cornett, right, He's talked a lot of shit about me over the years. You know, Vice Russo, another guy who was you know, not head things to say about me, and and I'm not gonna say anything bad about them, but I had to think about this. It's like, I might be more concerned if these guys really like like to me, right, I might have to question like who I am as a person. So, uh, it's just the way it is, you know. But but honestly, I kind of moved away from all that and I try to just love everybody for who they are and where they're at. And if they don't want to reciprocate the love, it's okay, It's okay, I love you. I love you anyway. So cool man. Well, I'm definitely wearing a singlet if we're doing this tag team thing, because I'm about there, all right. So we'll come up with Sam and we'll just be singlets. We'll wear no gimmick more than the race singlets. And then we'll let gray and gray nobody wears s Ray singlets. Well, just call our team. Old man yelling at clouds as I think. I think we're leaving money on the table if we don't do this. I kind of think. I think there's a pro wresting T shirt there somewhere. So hey, real quick, anything you want to play before we let you go? Obviously you got your just give us. Also, the podcast drops every Wednesday. It's on any of your podcast platforms. To watch UM the podcast, you have to subscribe to the premier streaming network. We are now with them. UM for the video portion. UM. And then I'd also like to steer your faithful audience to Bobbyfish Apparel dot com. Go there and get yourself some um some swag to add to your good school clothes closet. Cool man. Yeah, we made it this far right, that's there. There's some reward in that something that not everyone's just lucky to make it as far as I have, So I take that as a blessing. Yeah, so, what time is rising in the black? I'm just saying this and I'm being your baby world, and I'm yours, Jeff counting media bar
