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What's she gonna do? Brother? When Jeff Townsend media runs wild on you, I am the King bazar By probably jumped down a couple of rabbit holes at this episode. Uh yeah, so I guess we'll welcome everybody to the Austin Area show. Here we are, all right? Where do you drinking tonight? Jeff? And my girl boss cup from my daughter? Yeah, and you're you're not gonna be able to knock me tonight because I am drinking milk. You're serious? Right? Two percent? Uh farm grade a milk straight poison? What I can't make you happy? It's it's vitam. I mean I start out diet pop, I go to vitamin water. I think you did this on purpose, right, No, it's a milk you did because you're a terrible liar. You're trying not to smirk, so, Jeff, why so what what's milk? What's milk made for to drink? No? Every Mike stuff. Every every species produces milk for. Who who do they produce it for? Yes? Uh, they're their own babies, Jeff, yep, their own. Yes, milk is for babies. It's specially formulated for babies to rapidly grow them until they can eat their species specific food. I've been feeling pretty strong. Are you saying up growing? Are you a baby? Some would say I really thought. I really thought I'm drinking milk, Like, how can this guy hate on milk? Then you must must be fucking stupid. Okay, So so you choose to think that drinking milk one on with vegan. They're both poisoned. Bro, they're both. That's both fucking shit right there. That's why. That's why you look so goddamn pasty, and you're losing all your sugar no calories. It says a scl which is a carcinogen dairy which has been linked to cancer. Come out, bro, like, I like it, like honestly, like I think I think you think it's funny. I don't find it funny. I find it funny. I just don't know what you want me to drink? Water? I can only drink water, that's right. Yeah, I mean, Ryan's got it. I got the boring water. I've got some tea Chino here, which is like a herbal blind with some different mushrooms, and it's it's a coffee alternative without the caffeine and acidity. You're not like the cup girl boss. Yeah, man, my daughter's draper cup. It's great. I'm sure you feed your daughter's milk too, right, feed them milk with a spoon. Here you go, here's milk. Is that you're saying? Why don't I got a lot to learn? Why don't you just drink human breast milk from straight from your actual species that's designed for you at least? So so if I did that, you would approve well, well, at least it would make more sense than drinking another species milk. Think about this, Jeff, just now, let's forget Let let me, let me just finish your salt and I want to get onto our first guest here, which I'm excited about. And he probably has a couple of things to say on this too, considering his life. You're educating us, man, I'm just listening. Yeah, we're the only species on the planet. If milk was as perfect foods as you've been led to believe, other animals would drink milk. There's no other animal on the planet that drinks milk when they're not babies. Not only that, there's no other animal on the planet that drinks another animal's milk. Right, I don't see you know, squirrels trying to suck on the raccoon's tits to get some milk. I don't see adult squirrels trying to grab milk. I don't see any other adult animal except humans who think drinking milk is a good idea. You're drinking the growth hormone of a baby calf to become a large cow. And now we wonder why we have all these diseases cancers, right, it just doesn't make any sense. Dude, if you needed a blood transfusion, okay, would you go get cow's blood? Would that make any sense to you? No? Okay, So why do we think drinking the growth hormone of a cow as a human is somehow good? And get people say, I'm well, I'm lactose intolerant. Well, it's because you don't produce the enzyme to break down cow's milk because you're not supposed to be drinking it. Right, So if I show up here next week with breast milk and a cup, that will be what you s bro, I would I would applaud you. I would applaude you if you've got if you got some breastmilk, hopefully hopefully not from your wife challenge accepted a nice block of Parma gen cheese made from human breast milk. Right anyway, Yeah, I think I think you're just I think you're just trying to test me this week after and fuck with me a little bit. But that's all right, I don't mind. It was a good it was a good educational piece. So anyway, let's let's get onto our guests, because this is actually kind of tied as our first guest on the ausit Airy Show. And I'm pretty excited about this. So about a year ago, it was almost exactly a year ago into January, I got a message from a friend of mine, wrestling promoter Brandon Naskari Rank Global Syndicate Wrestling, and he said he had a buddy of his who was a wrestling fan and was going through a tough time. Asked me if I were to reach out, just try to, you know, lift his spirits a little bit. And that's how I first came in contact with Brian here, Brian Locke. Yeah, and man, and so I'm gonna let Brian tell his story a little bit more. And uh but yeah, so I got to know Brian just we started shooting just back some text messages back and forth. He couldn't really talk much at the time. He'll explain, he'll explain why, and uh, and just got to know each other, and you know, we're very like minded. And I was able to offer him some some encouragement and a little bit of advice for the issue he was going through. And uh and happy that he's here to day to tell us all about it. So, Brian, welcome to the show. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me man during that time. You did a great job, man, because when you can't speak, you know what I mean, like you're kind of down in the gut or naturally. Yeah, so you joke around with people and you get into a little conspiracies and you talk about weird shit because it's funny and it gets your mind going, Yeah, do you want to let everyone know, like why why you couldn't talk of what you were dealing with? Sure? Yeah, I'll try and not make it too long of a story. But Uh, I lived a pretty clean, health, healthy lifestyle living up to this. I didn't smoke at drink for the most part. It eat unhealthy of course, I made some mistakes eating some process foods here and there, but you know, It wasn't like I was eating McDonald's all the time, and I worked out and I never got sick, never got COVID. In high school, I got an award four years perfect attendance grade eleven grade, twelfth grade, didn't miss a single day. So I was in my mind thinking I was doing pretty good. And twenty nineteen comes around and I think I have like a coal sword in my mouth right, and I'm like, I don't feel like going to I mean, twenty twenty comes around. I'm sorry because it was during COVID, That's how it happened, and I was I was being lazed. I don't feel like going to the dentist dealing with the COVID restrictions. I'll get some anti antiseptic mouthwash. I'll rinse out this sward. Very ignorant, very stupid. Anyone listening, do not do that. That's what I did, And like a month or two later, I'm like, well, shit, man, this thing ain't going away. So I bought more antiseptic mouthwashing. Like an idiot. I did it again, and it didn't go away. And now it's like Christmas time, and like I can barely speak. I'm drooling all night, so I can't sleep. The tumors in my mouth just somehow within a month expanded to like unimaginable levels. All my bed sheets were ripped from the pain because it was twenty four seven, so there's no sleeping. You're just tearing bedsheets, tearing clothes, and I'm like, man, I'm in big trouble. So right away on Monday, I go to a M E. N. T. Doctor. And the way it's supposed to work is you get a biopsy. But the sect you look in my mouth. He's like, dude, it's so obvious, like we don't need a biopsy, Like you know you're in trouble. These things are massive, but we're gonna do a biopsy anyway. That was how he put it to me. Sure, then, long story short, they officially diagnose you. They send you out to get scans. I'm sorry they missed diagnosed a few times. Another lovely thing about our system. One guy tells you you have throat cancer. One guy says you don't. One guy says you have head and neck. One guy says you have this other thing. Eventually they settled on all head and neck because it was tonsil's throat tongue pretty much everything like in this area. Yeah, so you got diagnosed with throat, tongue, tonsil mouth cancer and neck cancer and yeah, yeah, and how and how old are you at the time? Thirty eight? Thirty eight? Wow? Yeah, so I was January of this last year, so twenty twenty two. They send you for scans, and even though I had a job in health, health insurance up sorry signals not covering this. So right off the bat, I'm out, like over a thousand dollars out of pocket for something that wasn't my fault. I don't think anyway, when when you need the health insurance not there for your legitimately, we don't cover that. No, but they did say sorry though, which I did appreciate. They first said sorry, then they told me they don't cover it, so sorry, go fuck yourself. Yeah, they didn't have to. It's nice to just hear the sorry part. So so I go through that and the scans come back pretty bad. So now I had to quickly find um. This whole ross is amazing. He was like considered the top oncologist in all of New Jersey. So my friend shoots me down there. We get to him, and that's when he's like, oh, dude, you're pretty much dead in like a few months. The only way to save you because he's a doctor, which means he's an expert, right, so the only way to see you, he tells me, is I'm going to remove your tongue and part of your voice box. And he said, if I do that, he said, it's fifty fifty you survive. So I said what if I don't do that? And he said, then you don't survive? And I said, oh, I like those odds better, So I'm going to do that. And they said, oh, you can't do that. I'm like, you're off control me. I can definitely, And then he closed in the finance guy to start talking about like ni, yeah, yeah, the business guy. How much money quin milk out of this guy? And you know, keep alive long enough to milk some money out of him? Right. The process is amazing as you watch it happen in front of you, you know what I mean, you could actually see how they work this out of just let's fear the absolute shit out of him. Sure, because if we tell him he's going to be dead, then he's going to accept a million dollars surgery that's, by the way, done by robots. He doesn't even do the surgery. I looked into it. But your AI robots come in, put their hands down and do all this weird shit. So he's overseeing it probably gonna cost a million bucks. I was supposed to take his word for it, so I challenged him, and I said, I'm not taking your word for it. He said he had binders of evidence. It was a whole bullshit. I read through. It was not evidence, and so I rolled the dice and I went for the most extreme treatment possible, which is from Memorial Sloane, where they zap you with the most intense radiation they have, plus the most intense chemo. And they've even said people have died just from the treatment, not even from the cancer. You know, it was that bad. So that's where and what I ended up doing. And those are the times I was texting you Loston, when I was in the midst of of that space. Yeah, we're text back and forth just when you're on your way, I mean, radiation and chemo. I can't imagine. I hopefully never have to experience anything like that. Yeah, and just trying to, you know, trying to keep spirits up and talk about anything other than what you were going going through, whether it was some wrestling stuff or some jumping down some rabbit holes and talking about fun spirits, especially with all the crazy shit that's going on in the world. And yeah, man, and then also just trying to you know, uh offer some some uh some advice on how to be only eat when when you can shadow and swallow. Yeah, you know. And um, I was gonna bring that up because it was a funny story. I thought my diet was pretty good until I sent it to you. Yeah. Then I've realized, of course, he's just like exposed it each lide, like, no, you should have it. I'm like, this is awesome because I didn't know this. That's why I'm laughing. I wasn't offended. I'm like, oh, dude, he's right, like this is process. This is bullshit. I'm like, oh shit, yeah, stay up, get out of there, you know, I get off the dairy. I was the first thing I said, man, because again and listen, no, no studies perfect. We can poke holes in any study. Um. And science right, and that's what science is for, is to be scrutinized and and this is for your too, Jeff. But there's something called the China's Study. They did a twenty years study onto the effects of milk proteins in cancer and the results are pretty overwhelming. And they did it in a lot of you know, as Asian countries and the places where they consume the most dairy they had the most incidence of cancer. It was pretty cut and dry, you know. But again, when you think of what it is, it's a it's a growth hormone for lack of a better term. It's specialized to rapidly grow an infant until it can get off of it and then eat normal food. Right, But we keep drinking it in all these different forms milk, cheese, yogurt, right, and and you know eventually, in some cases it can rear its ugly head. So yeah, when I was telling you to make smoothies, I was like, no, no, no, but not milk though you were right, And then thank you and you were so right, you know. Yeah. Well, you know, when we're sick, that's when we have to really pay extra attention to to create an environment for a body to heal itself. The body wants to heal itself, but a lot of times, too many toxins in and the body can't detox it out quick enough, right, And so we want to create an environment where the body is not an inflammation, you know, and it's and it's able to start doing some of those processes to regenerate and get healthy. If again, so you go through the radiation, you go through the chemotherapy. I imagine they had to take a toll on you. Horrible man. I could barely shower. I had to lean one arm on the wall, and like trying, not going to it once a week because it was not possible. And then you're like, I went from squatting, not to brag, but just saying I went from squatting like three fifty, no problem, and I'm a small guy to like, you know, standing in the shower. It was like a problem, you know. So like that just to show the difference of strength to weakness, you know, how fast? How long? For how long did the radiation and chemo go for? Oh awful man? So from mid February until the end of June, never a break. Couple of times once a week, he said. And in the beginning and then and then by beginning of April, five days a week, no break. So what was then, Um, obviously you're here. You look pretty healthy, Brian, feel good? Yeah, man, you guy. I was gonna say, you send me a video probably about them, three or four weeks ago. I'll be back in the gym putting up some some good weight. Yeah, it feels great. Yeah, So what was the what was the turning point? Not listening to them? And I know that's gonna make me sound like having ego, so I'm always like, careful how I explain this, because I swear I'm not like trying to sound like some expert, but I'm just we're gonna be very honest. Turning point is not listening. You're an expert in your in your situation here, you know. Yeah, don't ever listen to these people. These people have evil and evil motives and I know from living through it, so I can give you many, many examples. The simplest example, they are obsessed with getting you on oxy And for those who don't know, oxy is for pain. Oxy's not a cancer drug, meaning whether I take oxye or not has absolutely zero effect on whether I beat cancer. Right, this is not even up for debate, literally has nothing to do with it. When I would say no to the oxy. You would think I did something like I stole from your mother or something. They would send in the manager's manager. They would say they would go to the highest level of memorial sloan to get on my ass about this oxy. They sent the nurse to my house. I didn't ask for it to my house. She comes here, first thing she does is go off on me. I have two giant plastic beds. They're still sealed with all the pills. I never took a single cancer pill that they gave me, other than early early on when I told you I was ripping my bed sheets. At that point, I had no choice. I had to take a pain made because dude, I literally wasn't sleeping. So for a few weeks, Yeah, I did do one oxy at night. Other than that, never and they do. They were just going off on me over this, Like so, I don't know where you want to go with that, but it was absolutely insane. That's just interesting to me, you know that. Again, like you said, that's not a cancer drug, it's a it's a it's for pain. And if again, everyone has a different tolerance for pain. And you would think if someone said they didn't want the oxy because they could tolerate the pain that they would think that's a good thing, because again, we don't detox the body by feeding it more toxins, right, You don't get healthy by feeding more toxins to the body. The body's trying to detox to get healthy. And that's it's a backwards philosophy. But again, and I and I give it a little bit of perspective. I don't know that these people have evil intentions, but where they learned so well, I don't. I don't think innately they do. But you have to understand that the playbook that they learned taught them that this is the way, and and so they have committed to this playbook. They paid for the playbook, They've spent years of their life learning the playbook. And they don't know anything else. They don't know about health. Let's just be honest. The Western medical system doesn't know about health for all intents and purposes. Most doctors, while they very well may mean, you know good, they've been trained to be a drug dealer. They've been learned to treat disease and illness with drugs. They don't know much about prevention, and they don't know much about cure. Because those are bad business models when you're trying to make money on sick people. Preventing the sickness and carrying the sickness means I lost a potential customer, right, So what they know is drugs, and I don't think that it makes some evil people at the core. They just don't know any better. And it's one of these things that once you've committed your life to this, it's really hard for the ego to step back and take a second look and go, you know what, maybe all this was bullshit? Right? Maybe I was lied to. Maybe this curriculum I learned in medical school was written by an oil tycoon back in the early night teen hundreds, so we could sell petroleum pills to everybody, because that's where it came from. If you do a little research, right, who found you know who found you know who funded the Ama Rockefeller? Then who created the American Cancer Association once all his drugs started giving people cancer? He did? Right, So you gotta go back and study your history of how the how, how we got here. So here's so here was something that I remember you telling me. Wasn't there a time where you were going for one of your treatments. No, no, no, mind you. They gave you basically a terminal prognosis right from yeah, right, and you and you came in for your treatment and they said they wouldn't give you the treatment if you weren't vaccinated. Oh yeah, I was in the beginning before I started in the beginning. Yeah, and then again yeah, but that got dropped right away, but yeah, it did come up. Yeah, fucking amazing. I don't know what else to say to that, you know, like, yeah, speaks for itself, right like, And that wasn't as uncommon as you think. So I had already started hearing about that online. It's just you don't hear that in a stream. So I honestly wasn't a surprise. I and said to my friend, I go, dude, they're gonna give me a problem over this. Yeah, and again, you don't get healthy by injecting more toxins into your system. That's the opposite of healthy. Right. And I don't know if you remember lust, and I asked, I've replied with I said, sure, I'll do it. Can you please provide me the study that shows chemo radiation and MR and A is safe to take together? And she said well, we don't have that, So I said, then how are you able to tell me to do something without that? I said, I don't think I'm being that extreme, simply asking for a study that shows you've looked at X amount of patients in my situation. And then I'm open to doing this. But I just met you, and to now, all of a sudden, I thinks because they're in a white suit in a tie, I just go, Okay, that sound good. I said, I'm not comfortable doing that, so I'm not taking this they ever bought up here? How can you show me any study anywhere that shows that these vaccinations had any effect on people's wellbeed in a positive manner. And again, as we came to find out, a lot of people like me to a lot of heat early on for speaking out against this. But they don't stop transmission. That's been proven, right, they don't stop you from getting it. Like they're basically useless. But they took billions and billions of taxpayer dollars to basically force and course and trick people into taking these for their own good. And but this idea that they wouldn't give you any type of other healthcare unless you unless you injected this into your system. And listen. We can have debates over the vaccine good, vaccine bad, But there's toxic there are toxic compounds in vaccines, right, there's heavy metals, there's there's different things in there, so pegs, I mean, there's you know, so we can't so there's no debate about that. And to ask someone who's got cancer and is trying to get healthy to inject more toxins, whether it's oxycotton or vaccines, to me, is completely asked backwards, right, completely asked backwards. And again, when you think about what's the third leading cause of death in this country, it's a medical malpractice, right, So this healthcare system that we prop up, you know, in these doctors that we put on bedistals, they're the third leading cause of death in this country. So let's not forget that. You know what number one is, Jeff diet coke. Number two is milk. Now, I'm just kidding, I'm just fucking with you. Sorry, Well, I believe one in two and I if I'm wrong, give me shit about it. I believe it's cancer and heart disease. It's always heart to I think it's it's cancer, heart disease and medical malpractice. I mean, did you see the Super Bowl was one advertisement for heart disease, you know, and just pumping it in your face. And it's funny because you know, in the midst of this COVID thing, to me, the biggest tell and again I've been I've gone down the rabbit hole of nutrition for twenty years now. You know, it's become a part of my life and sometime passionate about. And what I uncovered initially that really drove me to continue to keep peeling back layers was, holy shit, they don't care about your health. All these things that are the most marketed and the most prevalent, and the cheapest and the easiest to obtain are the worst for you. And if we had any leadership that cared about the citizen and the people's health, then things would be completely different. But again, during this pandemic where we're afraid of getting sick, they're shutting down gymnasiums and they're keeping open fast food restaurants. You know, they're they're telling people not to go outside, they're telling people to obstruct their breathing. You know, they're stressing people out with a constant counter of how many people are getting it and dying. You know, they weren't addressing food whatsoever. They weren't addressing exercise, right, meditation, breathwork, natural healing modalities. That if you think we really weren't a pandemic and we're worried about, you know, the health of the nation, that these would be the messages that we would be blasting twenty four to seven to people instead of basically just telling people stay inside and isolated until we give you the shot that's gonna make you all better. Except whoops, it didn't make anybody any better. I mean that sums it up. So did you? So you changed up? You changed up your diet a little bit? You you so? Can you elaborate when you said don't listen to him, so you didn't take the oxies? What else did you do that was contrary? Maybe's are to say the only thing I did listen to I'm sorry to throw us are the first say the only thing I did listen to them on was the administration of the actual chemo and radiation, right, because in my mind I know absolutely nothing about that. Like, who the hell am I to say, Hey, don't give me this chemo or this, so anything related to that, I listened. When they said we're iving you with this, we're doing that, I listened. I would say anything other than that. For the most part, it was no, I'm gonna do what I think is right, what makes sense in my head, what makes sense in my body. For example, about the oxy multiple other narcotics, narcotics they pushed me on, um just you know things like that. At one point, they're even saying, you know, exercise was bad, and they didn't have an answer why. So I'm like, if I couldn't do resistance bands, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna do it now. They weren't like anti exercise, but they didn't. I'm just saying. They never like we're promoting it, you know what I mean. It was really like, just do what we say, go home, lay down, and and you know that was it. So I mean, so it's like that you gotta make your own decisions. That makes sense. I think once you get into fear of oh no, if I don't listen to them, I'm gonna die, I think that's the most dangerous place to be. So I was able to convince myself I'm not worried about the outcome. Therefore, I'm just gonna how did you get past that? Though? Like that's gotta be easier said than done, right, Like that, fear factors the real thing. When you life or death, you got to be a strong person. No, not a strong person. It's just unfortunately, for whatever reason, I'm a little weird and I've been conspiratorial since I was like a kid, So like, when something like this goes down, it's not that much of a stretch for me to already be suspicious and weird of what they're selling and things like that. So it's definitely not that I'm tough. It's just simply, for whatever reason, my brain has always worked in like a hm, that doesn't make sense type way. You know what I mean? Do you and and and if you know, feel free to to not answer, but answer, is there an element of your religion or spirituality that made you not fear death to where you you were basically willing to let the outcome be what it was going to be? Or did you try to you know, manifest or visualize you being healthy? You know, basically um dismissing their prognosis of of of sickness and death and say not fuck that, Like I'm gonna get healthy. I've been a mentally you know that the mind's a powerful tool, right placebo effect, And I think you can really, you know, think your way into health and you can think your way into sickness to a certain extent. Was that was that a part of the journey for you? Yeah? So it's like a very deep question. I think there's like multiple answers, but I think on the spiritual side. Um, I don't know if you've heard Briscoe talk recently. Did you catch that? Yep? And he posted at the airport. You're at the airport, but he said no, no, not the airport. No, but I was. I was at Jay's funeral. But yeah, oh I'm sorry. So I don't So you know what club I'm talking about where he's talking with Caprice. Okay, I don't think basically because I'm saying he summed this up perfectly, like way better than I can. He's explaining about like because he's talking about his brother's death, how he's dealing with it and how he understands that he's just here temporarily. You know, he's talking about attorney's That's what I'm saying, Like he articulated like amazing, way better than I could. But where he was saying was what I was thinking, just not as articulate as he said. It was gonna be my point. So if you had seen that, make time paraphrase for the listeners and for me, yeah, oh god, I'm gonna butcher so bad, so let me just say my own wife. So basically I was always yeah, that's always all I was thinking about, was like, this earth is temporary, you know what I mean. If I nake it to forty, if I make it to eighty, that feels the same to me. If I make it to twenty, it's like not a big deal. I always lived my life, you know, in a way that I had fun. I said what I thought, and I really didn't have any regrets. I never left over anyone. I never I'm not mother Teresa, but I'm never got like in any trouble or anything. So yeah, my mind, I was comfortable with how I lived. My life's good to my family and good to my friends. And I just thought of this takes me out. It takes me out, and if it doesn't, it doesn't, you know what I mean. And I viewed the challenge as a video game because I grew up on like video games and wrestling, So this was just another Ninjigating or another Mario three that I had to figure out, or like the Final bosses cancer. I don't know. I know this sounds corny, but again, this is just my honest thought process, and metaphorically that was a lot of how I kind of worked through this. So I said, the Final boss was almost like you know that day they tell your cancer free as opposed to being in hospice on the way out. So it was like a lot of that like mental like tricks, I guess you would call them like things I just made up in my head like to view it in that way, and you know, I don't want to do. So when when did you get that cancer free prognosis? When when did they tell you? Sometime after labor Day? I don't I don't have a date store to my head, but I remember it was like a week after labor Day somewhere around there. So I was pretty crazy. How did you feel when you heard then that's sound weird? I feel anything? Because like I was just like, oh, that's cool, and then she's like that's it, and I was like, yeah, that's it. And then I just kind of walked out and I just drove home. Yeah. Well, I mean, and I know it sounds weird, but like you thought, really, I think that's part of I think that's part of maybe what what drove you to that place because you didn't add extra stress and worry and all these things onto yourself, you know, during the process, so that when you got when you got the good news, it was just kind of you. Kind of that even keel Man, instead of taking the emotional roller coaster did it. But has has this experience changed your perspective of all of life as far as goals, things that you want to do, just just appreciating that every day. Right I'm gonna say something that's gonna sound really fucking weird, and I can't believe I'm admitting this out loud, But in my struggles over my life, when I've struggled with depression or just not feeling like having like having a zest for life, right, like, I'm like, why can't why when I wake up in the morning, don't I just have like this like zest for life and just get out and fucking attack it. I've thought to myself, and this is a bad thing to think. Man, I almost wish I was given some type of terrible like terminal prognosis to like just fucking kick me in the ass, to really like attack the day and appreciate every day I'm here, because I think sometimes we can get set on all autopilot. We can just assume we're gonna be here till we're eighty or ninety, and we don't appreciate today. We're thinking about next month, next year when I retire, and we don't we don't just appreciate that. God damn it. I woke up today and I'm breathing air and the sunset in my face, and so there's better thought a time or two in my life. And obviously that's I don't want that, But it was just like idea of like, man, maybe that's what I need. You know, I can't seem to just appreciate what I you know, this moment. Maybe maybe I need like that to make me appreciate it. I don't know if that makes any sense, but yeah, did help you appreciate now every day that you're healthy, able to go to the gym, able to talk, able to eat food, all these things that were taken away from you amazing. Yeah, I mean it does sound corny, but it's one hundred percent true because it's one thing to think it and you may think, oh, that's corny or whatever, but then when you live through it, like it's actually real. I mean, when you're on the other end of it. Everything you're saying is just doing a podcast with you now is more enjoyable, no offense than it would have been two years ago. And they have just you're like, oh, all center, that's cool. But like, because we talk on text, everything I went through, there's like a much much bigger just like appreciation of all these little things and all big things are bullshit. If you bought me a car, I wouldn't even flinch. If you PayPal me a million dollars right now, I'd send it back like it would have no, um, no real value, you know what I mean. But like having a real conversation, hanging out when I was maybe getting high together having some fun, I'd be like, oh, this is awesome, Like those are real things. So one appreciation hanging out with your family, hanging out with your friends, like watching like sitting on the couch bullshitt and talking about you know, conspiracy and stuff. When not stup. You have a much greater appreciation for that than any other kind of BS than watching someone's bank account, what car they drive, how hot they are. That becomes I'm on a rant, so forgive me, but that becomes all bullshit, you know what I mean, Like complete nonsense bullshit, because when when we're facing our when we're facing our mortality, those things don't matter and they're not going to save you. So then you start thinking about memories and moments and relationships, right, and that's and that's what you really realize, like, oh shit, that's the stuff that you're going to cherish the most. I very, very highly doubt that there's any you know, extremely wealthy man on his deathbed thinking of all the cars he owned and exactly you know what I'm saying, like in those last moments, you know, oh remember that house I had back in seventy six with the six bedrooms each one had two bathrooms in it hers into his back when that was still a thing. Yeah, yeah, or just even like you know, one thing I've started to try to like be mindful in practice more is like really like intentional conscious eating, right, like actually not staring at the TV screen or your phone and not just shove it down your throat so you can get to whatever you have to do afterwards, but actually sitting down and whether you say it's a prayer or just blessing the food or the capability to be able to have that nourishment in front of you, and then like taking your time to really chew and savor every morsel, right, like like it really just enjoy the moment of eating because we just take it for granted, we really do, and a lot of times we're just trying to rush through and get it down the throat quick so we can move on and do whatever else. And so you know, and that's our nourishment, that's the energy exchange. So I've been trying to break that habit of of being kind of an unconscious eater U and really take my time to enjoy that process too, these little things, just these little things and enjoy those. Yeah, totally, so man, Well, I mean, yeah, I was excited to be on here because it's just it's a hell of a story And like we start a messaging right when you're like in the thick of it, and then you send me that video of you in the gym, just fucking awesome and that was great, and I yeah, sou and now are you are you adopting some different lifestyle habits and choices now on the other side of this to to help continue to feel like you're giving yourself the best chance to stay because or free and healthy as far as diet, exercise, mindfulness, whatever, and from one thing even much tighter on the water. So so before I would get lazy, and again I'm ashamed to admit it, but it's true, I'd be using like a britta instead of like an actual ostomosis, like you know, a thousand dollars thing to get the pH down to zero. So yeah, like literally since the day I got diagnosed, I was like the first thing I went and bought. And it's been like, no bullshit water, you know since. So that was something I took very serious. And you know, my own fault. I didn't think of it, you know before, And it's I mean, it's not your fault. It's like, you know, it's fucking you know, I don't know who to blame, but the fact that we don't have water that doesn't isn't toxic for us is terrible, you know what I'm saying. Like the fluoride and the I mean, and now just with what happened in East Balastine, Ohio. I mean, you know, like you and you're in New Jersey, so I mean that whole Eastern cboard. You know. It's just like I mean, we're supposed to be the dominant, you know, world world leaders, and the dominant for us. And yet you know, and that's why, and that's why a lot of times I think, you know, we've talked about these different conspiracies, like you almost think it has to be intentional. How do you stay like a thousand every time you get their way? No, but I'm just saying, like, you know, if we're so if we're so smart, and we have all this you know, wealth as a nation, why can't we provide our people like clean water that doesn't have all these chemicals and ones that we even add to it, like fluoride and you know, And and it's interesting that we can't just drink the water from our tap or then the water that we've all been now conditioned and drink sits in a plastic bottle and it's basically just glorified tap water that they bottle up and then sell. Do you you know, and then and then you have that to think about. So so, yeah, the water purifications is a real thing, and drinking and drinking a lot of good pure water is a real thing. Um. I started drinking a lot of coconut water. You know, it's something that's a natural electrolyte to help, you know, keep me hydrated, and um, you know, coming from inside of coconut, I feel like that might be a better a better option than from the tap, right right. A few other tricks I can share I thought of. I used to sit outside when it was warm on my porch a lot, and now I stopped that. And if I'm going to go out, I go to the woods. And the reason is I live in a town home complex. And I started doing a little research, which you know, I know, we're not supposed to do, Austin, right, don't ever research anything, you know, because you never know what you may find, Brian. If I don't, if I don't already agree with what you're about to say, that, I'll just dismiss your research as fake. So yes, please, So in my complex, guess what they love to use in the spring. A ton of herbicides, pesticides and all that stuff they could sprayed in the air. So I started looking into that and maybe just a conspiracy. Major cancer it's causing. So I thought to myself, done, Like, if I have I'm going to go in the woods and go for a walk, you know what I mean. So no more sitting outside here. Yeah, no, that's not a conspiracy at all, right, him, and it's as Yeah, who would think that. You know, these besticides and herbicides wouldn't be good for you, right, these chemicals you just spray it right in your face too. All of a sudden, you're here, that shit's all spraying up. I'm like, oh, yeah, totally good thing. Let me just breathe this in for two hours. No, the sun is bad for you. That stuff's good for you. The sun is the problem. The sun's great for you. Look at what they sell you. I listen. The sun's the activator. Okay, the sun's the activator. If you're putting a bunch of toxic sunscreen on you and lotion and you're eating a bunch of toxic food, then the sun's going to turn that on. Right. And they actually did a study on this, right, So they did a study. Again, we're not we're not lab rats. But they did a study with rats and they fed one group of rats what would be the equivalent of a standard American diet garbage. They fed the other group of rats what would be the equivalent of a whole food, plant based diet, healthy food, and they expose both of the rats to the sun. The only that showed any type of cancer US cell mutation. Where the rats eating the fucking garbage. Just a coincidence. So again, the sun's the activator. And if we're in a toxic society, eating toxic food, listen to toxic news, drinking toxic diet, sodas and milk from Kyle's Jeff, if we're doing those things and then we're out in the sun, then you might want to be concerned. But but sunscreen isn't gonna isn't gonna be the thing that helps you unfortunately, and I think it was Johnson and Johnson that got caught. So the course of sunscreen was causing the cancer that it was sold to protect you from. Yeah, I don't really use sunscreen. Luckily for me, my complexion is the opposite of Jeff's. So do you use the baby oil? Looks like you're leathered in baby oil. Yeah, no baby oil. I use jajoba oil and that's a good natural djobo oil. Okay, I think it's jo jo jojo ba jo jo ba. Jajoba brings out the best in your arms, doesn't. I don't have any oil on right now, but yeah, I use that instead of like using lotion like face lotions and stuff, because a lot of those lotions have a lot of things in there. You don't want to You got to be very It sucks how vigilant you have to be to not be consuming poisons and toxins in our current day society. And that's where I go back to, like you know, we've talked about, Brian, it almost has to be intentional. Someone's allowing these things into all the supply chain of products, whether it's food, beauty supplies to drinking water. Right, Like again, like this thing in needs palastine, Like why do we have that? Like why do we have these hugely toxic, poisonous chemicals even being manufactured? Like what the fuck are we using them for? Like why do we need them on the planet? What are they being used for? Something that if it crashes, is going to causes huge ecological disaster that's going to poison the water system and the soil and the people right like that, That's like what I'm curious, like, why why are we even devising these things that are causing cancers and illness and disease. It baffles me. And Bill Gates is not worried about that affecting the climate one bit. He has not mentioned Ohio at all. I said, are you guys not going to con visit me? An Idio innovent? That's too close? Pretty close? Pretty close? Are you west though? Your west of there, aren't you? Yeah? So really like looking at the way that it's it's moving, it's anybody east east would be where the concern is, right and the jet stream Yeah yeah, from the jet stream, so um, anybody west of it probably has a better chance right now to but you sell. The CEO came out from from this rail company and they're offering a thousand dollars to everyone that's in that in that zip code. It just kind of signed this gotta sign attle piece of paper saying they got the thousand dollars. Owls. I'm going to suspect the piece of paper also says that once they sign that thousand dollars payoff that they know they waived the right to be able to sue or litigate first future damages. That's just my guests, because that's usually what they do, right, little trickery and like, what's a thousand dollars going to do for these people? By the way, this guy was paid four and a half million dollars last year as a CEO and the company made twelve billion dollars in profit. But we'll offer you a thousand dollars a citizen. It's it's it's obscene, bro, It's it's so obste capitalism, you know. On that contract, the twelve thousand is going to be in big font and then in the little legal print it's going to be the little font like, hey, you can't sue, and that'll be in the fine print that you can barely read one thousand, not twelve thousand. So sorry, what that safe? Yeah, God forbid twelve twelve billion in profit last year, forbid one thousand a person. The stuff they get away with, And it would be crazy if that was the only ecological disaster fire explosion that we've seen. But it's now and this has been a trend now for the last couple of years. The number of food processing plants, places where they grow food, place where they process food that have gone up in flames in the last year and a half, it is a little too much to chalk up to coincidence, especially when the people that are in charge have been talking about a food shortage being a problem and then you see all these things are happening. I mean, we're talking about like billions of chickens that have just burned up. And again, I don't think chickens are food, but for a lot of people, that is what they eat, and so that's directly affecting the food supply chain. You know. Just here in Florida, I think we've had two or three different places go up in flames in the last couple of days, it it seems. And maybe it's just because we're in this twenty four seven news cycles, so every little thing that happens gets reported, you know, that could be a part of it. When I started looking into train derailments, trade enrollments aren't obscure thing. They I think they have happened like an average of three a day, if I'm not mistaken, somewhere like around one thousand a year. But they usually don't have five hundred tons of highly uh you know, toxic chemicals on board, which is I think why this one was a little different. But so, yeah, so let's talk a little bit. We got about maybe fifteen minutes here, and actually, if you got more time, I'm cool to stay and talk for another I can set forty five minutes and we can we'll make this a two parter because we haven't been gotten the good stuff yet. Yeah, I'm good to go. Man, I have no bed time, so whatever you want to do. Man, uh, well, Jeff might have a bad time to put the power girls. We'll see. No, I'm good. Yeah. So I want to talk a little bit about your relationship, like with wrestling, you know, talk a little bit of wrestling with you and then and then we'll talk some of your some of your favorite conspiracy theories. Okay, that sounds we'll finish. We'll finish with that. Yeah. So so take me back where like when did you When did you get into wrestling? You know what, what what's it meant to your life? Yeah? So got into rust I'm so sorry, I mean interrupted. I got into wrestling shortly before the Savage holding tude. So the like right as they started building up to that as when I started watching. Okay, so somewhere like remember when the attacks him backstage over him grabbing Elizabeth and I was like pretty much hooked. And then I was already watching WrestleMania. I had a neighbor that was like twenty years older than I mean, by coincidence, he was a wrestling fan. He had the hot box, remember that thing that had it? Oh yeah, like unscrambled. So dude, he was taping like WrestleMania two three, He had all the old ones. And now I'm just like consuming this like crazy, and it just never stopped until, you know, like when ECW closed. Then for me, it was kind of like wrestling closed. So from that point until that point, I was like all in. And I bet being in New Jersey ec W that was probably a big deal out there for you, right, dude, I'm like so blessed as a wrestling fan. Man, I was going to the arena, That's what that was in the nineties South Philly. I'm just a skinny, little high school kid. The stuff I saw we probably have to tell it on like Rumble or something. I'm not even sure. Yeah, exactly two you want to hear something sports. The kids can't talk about that stuff anymore. That's dude. I was tell someone it was like the woodstock of going to wrestling shows. That's how I describe it. Sure it makes sense, like just wild shit you would see you know, yeah who in like show. I really enjoyed it. I'm sorry, no, go ahead, good finish your thought. I really enjoyed. Like looking back, like that danger of it, it's almost like now, yeah, you just stand online with a bunch of dads and their kids and that's it. But like at that time, like a dude can get shot in the stret I mean just like you know, it was like scared. I was like mentally preparing on the way to the show, like okay, I'm just gonna be like respectful, like look this way, we don't want any problems because and then even the wrestlers, some of the ECW wrestlers things they would come out and do like dude. But anyway, then it was like such a fun time. You were so to the product like in my life I had never been. There was like a weird connection where it was like all you thought about, like then what's gonna happen? In this storyline, Like I really can't describe. Man, I'm just so lucky that I got to experience going to the arena, going to the Elks Lodge like friends for life too. So think about all the weird ways people trying to make friends online. But here I was in person, just sitting next to a kid with an RVV shirt and here I am and we just start talking in you know, twenty five years later we text and we talk and oh a good friend. Does that make sense? So it's like I got a lot out of the wrestling experience. Yea, yeah, I think it's it's I you know, I feel sad for the generation now that never grew up where everyone did have a cell phone. Right like before everyone had a cell phone, a lot of shit happened. Yeah I'm trying to get out yet, right and crazy shit yeah, and and not all bad shit, like some of it was just fun crazy shit and you have to worry about it ended up on the internet the next day and getting canceled for it, you know, for where before what it was. So the culture was different back then, and I think sometimes we need to remember that we can't use today's rules as society to judge people what they did or we're a part of twenty twenty five years ago when the rules were different, you know, where things were different, right, So, um, I can only imagine, you know again, you know, I grew up watching The Horseman, you know, I watched you know, the way in the early eighties, Like could you imagine the Horseman doing what the Horseman did back then? If there were cell phones out everywhere, right, you know? Or again yeah, ECW, like that would have never existed. They would they would have got two shows in and right, it would have been done. They would have been some report of what happened backstage and a bunch debauttery backstage, and everyone would have canceled them and that would have been it. They used to do a box trip from it was called the the Elks Lodge. I don't know if you remember. That's what was like, um in that house of extreme and only had like five hundred fans, but it was like really rabid. So the bus would run from there to the ECW Arena and I was first in line. I'll never forget, and I'm with my friend was a little skinny, little nothing can I get on the bus and the first seat it's new Jack. He's just sitting there and I'm like, oh, dude, like, dude, this guy is not a gimmick, right, So I introduced myself and he was really nice, but I made sure I was like, hey, new Jack on Brian, nice to meet you. I shook his hand and then I just sat near him. I mean, he was he was nice to me. The ship. He started saying like, this is what I mean, dude, Like, dude, I miss these days. Right. It was so much fun, man, Oh, I was so much So here's a story I have I haven't shared. So I did a show. I believe it was a um CD evolved show, maybe Joye show Drink at USA, but anyway, so I had to cut a promo and I think it was like a backstage promo that was being shown on the screen in the arena, right, But I was doing it live backstage and it was being shown up out in the screen. So, uh, you know, it was a pretty basic promo. I wasn't exactly you know, like lighting the world on fire with it. Um that's a weird setup to be doing it to the life people. But you're not in front of the life people. You're actually backstage, so it was a little different. I've never done something like that. So afterwards, new Jack comes in the back like who just got that promo? And he ends up like like just like fucking burying me in my promo, right, and he's telling me how how I needed to cut a promo. The problem is is he's telling me how I need to cut a promo, Like I'm fucking new Jack. He's like if you're him saying yo, and you're just started like, oh, we're gonna wrestle. No, bat you I'm gonna kill your sister. You know He's right. I'm like, yeah, but that's not my character, right, Like, I'm like, but I just I just said, I'm like, I'm not gonna have a debate with this guy. I just sat there and I just nodded my head and said, yes, yes, sir, thank you sir. Yes, I okay, thank you so much. I appreciate it. And I just you know, and that was the end of it. But it was funny because, yeah, man, he just came back all hot and like in his mind like everyone needs to cut a promo, like new Jack cuts some promo. But that's I mean, he's the real deal. On the bus. He talks like new Jack. He doesn't talk like how we're talking now, like not a gimmick. Yeah, yeah, no, not again. And that's where I think, you know, wrestling has changed a bit over the last you know, forty years since you know, thirty five years since I've been watching it. Is you know a lot of these guys, you know, we talked about this in previous episodes with identity, right, like they like it was the gimmick, you know, like they weren't playing a gimmick, like that's that's who they were. And Rick Flair didn't go home at the end of the day and put out his you know, Levi's yeah, you know, and and and and be Richard, you know, like he's Rick Flair twenty four to seven, right, And that's part of the reason why it worked. Um, so yeah, good stuff. And so do you still follow wrestling now or you've kind of grown out of it? Casual a fan? So for me, once ECW died, I fell out out of it. And I was at that weird age where when you're starting like college, it's kind of you know, like you're not really like watching as much. And then I came across the Ring of Honor, and like a couple of things I saw were interesting to me. So it was like two thousand break and then in two thousand and four, attention, this is a story, I said. I wanted to tell you. My friends and I started going to live local shows like Jersey all pro Ring of Honor, anything in like that Rahway, Philly area. We would just drive to it, and I kid you not, it was like mid two thousand and four. Still talked about it today. On the ride home. We talked about the guys that made the most impression on us, and it was Austin Are's low key, El Generico, Kevin Steen, Homicide, Jay Lethal. Those were the story remember that because these guys it was like, dude, we don't see any of this on Vince. Like these guys were fucking like. I don't know if you remember that. I'm sure remember that time frame, but it was like by like old four, like you guys were just going at it. I'm like, man, all these guys are killing it. I saw a met for you, a low key I joked to my friend, I'm like, these guys know what's supposed to be like a work. It was like He's like throwing kicks out you you're throwing I'm like, dude, this is awesome. Like well, we were having so much fun, man, I kid you not like that was like a golden era for the indies. At least for me. It is like that like oh four oh five, oh six kind of time frame. Yeah, we look back now and see the were you were you following any stuff back then, Jeff Riggavata or anything like that. Were you most Yeah, yeah, yeah, everything, yeah, everything, everything. Um. I was talking about like, you know, when when WCW went away, there was this big like kind of void to fill, you know, but there was no other there was a w c W. There was it was just you know WWE so um and so that's kind of where we bring about or kind of you know, popped out of you know, and there was a bunch of guys that were being more heavily influenced with um, you know, strong style Japanese wrestling, you know, junior junior heavyweight style, you know, the the luchadors, things like that, and we're kind of bringing that new, that new flavor a little bit because at that time wrestling was a lot of the big, bigger kind of lumbering heavyweight you know, wrestling was kind of what most of it was, right and so kind of t and a kind of overflew with a lot of you guys too in a lot of regards. So it offered some pretty good stuff. I mean, not everything, but it also had some pretty good stuff just because of the talent that they were using. Yeah, they capitalized that. What you know, what the X Division was was a way to capitalize on that style and those guys within the you know, within their promotion that was still pretty much pretty heavily driven by the heavyweight division, but they you know, they brought the X division up and helped helped set them apart from what everybody else was doing. And yeah, I think it was just, you know, it was just like perfect storm of a bunch of really talented guys from all these different areas that were now getting a chance to work together in like in a competitive scene, but also realizing we're all helped and each other get better. I mean, that was for me the big thing right when I when I got to start working with ring A Botter, and I had been working my kind of local indie scene for like four years to the point to where you know, I was probably one of the better guys in that scene, so there wasn't guys to push me to the next level. I was now the guy that was trying to, you know, push other guys to to that next level. So then when I started to get to Ring a Botter, I'll summon the ring with you know, see him punk and Brian Daniels send Samoa Joe right, and it's like, okay, that that forced me. It's like you either up your game or you or you disappear right like you you figure out like okay, like how good are you? You know? And but you know, looking back at those look at back those matches, now, I was like, man, I I was still like really green. You know, it's just just kind of faking it till you make it sort of speak, you know. Um. But because the first thing I did, I went home and I looked at your guy's ages and I was blown away. That's why I remember this. Like when I looked at was like Kevin Stein was like nineteen, Jay Lethals like eighteen. I think you were like twenty one. I'm like, how are these guys? This is y'all? Like it wasn't like, yeah, I was. I was the old man. I was. That's the thing. I was the old man. I was twenty No, no, I was twenty six. You're that old at that time. Of course I broke Yeah, I broke in it. I broke in and I broke it when I was twenty two in two thousand and surbve a time I had twenty six. That's a conversation I had with TNA when they brought me in. Was just like listen like, because I felt like they kept treating me like I was like the other Exhivision kids, and I was like, hey, guys, like I know it may not seem like a big difference, but I'm twenty six, twenty seven years old, Like I got a mortgage, Like I bet out of the bars. You know. I've been out of the bar scene for a while legally, you know. And I think there is a maturation process between nineteen twenty twenty one and then when you get to your other half of your twenties, and it continues on. Now that I'm forty four, twenty six seems like still like a fucking kid, because in a lot of ways it is. But at the time, I damn, damn tell me about it, right, yeah, man, so so all of you Jeff thirty six thirty six, So that means you got you got eight years to look this good. He starts by, stop stop drinking the cow milk. I'll help better. Get a lot of oil. Yeah, trade your trade your soda and you're milking for some jojoba oil and you'll be on your way. It's also this light red above in my head that you know makes me look even more. But I like it because you bring it up every time, so I like get to address it. Uh so now you don't watch anything now though, really, Brian, like uh even a W or anything explains I never want to like come across like offensive to like the business or anything you know about it. Oh yeah, the stuff he says. That's all I mean. I'm trying to like not you know, uh, I don't for me. For me, it's a little harder to um to buy in. So, like, like I said, what I loved about ECW was I knew, of course it was. I don't like to use the word fake because they hit each other hard. But I mean I knew the game nick, you know what I mean, But I still bought it. It was easy to buy in, like you're like, I know Dreamer and Raven are probably friends, but as I'm watching it, like they're not friends, like just the way they feuded. So it was very easy to do that for me, and I had to give see him punk credit. He's a guy that that's helped me like fall into like that kind of mindset of like I'm not sure if this guy's like, you know, doing this or that's like sometimes it's happened, but overall for me, that that's what I felt missing. I mean, the talent's amazing today if you watch a match, you know, I can never do any of that or even guys back in the day. But in terms of like the okay, I need to pay for this, I need to drive somewhere, I think it's become a little harder to say. Am I kind of explained that okay or no, no, no, it's listen. I mean, it's it's how I feel about Rabby. I don't I don't really watch wrestling anymore, like I'm not a fan sort of speak. I follow it enough as my profession to be informed and educated, but I don't get excited about matchups. I think, you know, Stylistically, wrestling has has moved more towards the athleticism and the spectacle and away from the realism, you know, and um, and that's okay, you know, it's it's just not everyone's flavor. I think the other thing too. I've said before when people are like, oh, you don't really watch wresting, it's like, well, no, but I got into wrestling when I was four. Like wrestling by a large is catering to kids, right, Like that's like not a lot of people like, like, when did you first getting wrestling? Oh, I was, you know, seventeen, No, like most people like point like when they yeah, like when they first like when wrestling grabbed them and captured their imagination. They were kids, right, So yeah, when I got to college, just like you, when I got to college, I didn't really you know, And that's when wrestling was hot as shit, right Monday Night wars Olaus are a little o that and I kind of wasn't. I was like, ah, like I was, but I had other shit going on, you know, like other interests, right, And but yeah, so no, I don't. I don't think it's weird at all. And I think that again, just styhilistically changes, right, you know, It's it's like music, it's like any other art form. Um, it's going to evolve. I think that, you know, a lot of it. I feel like that the video game culture has kind of infiltrated wrestling a little bit. And for me, like growing up, I wasn't into superheroes. Wrestling masters were my superheroes because I could touch them and I could feel them. They were real. Spider Man wasn't real and wasn't real. Superman wasn't real. I didn't get into comic books like that, and that fantasy wrestling was fantasy, but it was real. It was real fantasy. And but I think that there's a lot of crossover between those demographics and like those niche audiences, and so I think wrestling has taken some of the characteristics of you know, superhero comic book and video game. Uh you know at that world, you know, and for me personally, that's that's not the stuff I've really ever been into. So I think for me, that's where a little bit of the disconnect is. Um. You know, But I do know like old I know, old school wrestling still works, you know. I just did four shows in Canada, and it wasn't you know, there was a good mixture of families with their kids. And then there was you know, there was you know, some more smart you know, I guess smart Mark wrestling fans and their sweatpants and triple XL black T shirts or whatever and uh oh, you know, you know the guys and after yeah and net beers, the guys that after you like cut just just like scathing heel promo, they start chanting your name because they want to go against the gram and show everyone else smart they are. And it's like, if you were really smart and you really appreciated what I was doing and really loved wrestling, I loved what I do, then you would play along the shit out of me and then encourage and cheerly to everybody else to do the same, because you know that's the reaction I want, right So in some ways, by like cheering me when I being the heel and you're smart to the business, like you're making like you're you're not helping me, right And then and then I'd say, well, then that's then you're kind of disrespecting me, Like you're not showing me you're smart, You're showing me you're smug and there's a difference, you know, But yeah, c W is right. I'm sorry, No, go ahead, got don't apologize to Austin. Just cut it off podcast. You know I was gonna say, was so much like you're describing, you know what I mean, Like Raven was cool, but we weren't popping for him, you know what I mean, because we were so into that. Okay, Raven's the bad guy dreamers the good guy like you you you knew you were gonna buy into make it more fun, Like Raven was not getting Austin pops when his music, you know, like how you're saying, there's other guys like they're a heel. Then they come out the fans are sharing. So nothing wrong with that everything. But I just missed that because I guess that's why I grew up on you know, so I missed. Yeah, Sandman was really like that in real life too. That was Samman definitely. Yeah, Yeah, he was getting drunk for those matches something. Hew, you knew that. I mean, it wasn't a wasn't a gimmick and he wore that after the show, is too, like he looked exactly like that. Yeah, yeah, came to the show wearing that he left the show wearing it did shows over in England, and sam And was on the shows too. There's a bunch of names on the shows and sam And we're all on a line to go through customs, you know, and sam And sitting there in the same outfit and his Kendo stick in his hand, and we're all trusted. We're all trying to come up with excuses of why we're all coming into into England. But we're not wrestling because then, of course none of us had the you know, the work permit, because the promoter will that that's too much, that's too much mighty to invest. So everyone just sneak your way in. So here's a bunch of like bloominy samman Al Snow, you know, I was, I was the least assuming of the bunch, And we're all trying to come up with different reasons of why would just happen to be coming to England for a weekend. My favorite was Tracy Smothers, So, what what are you doing? Here's I'm a roofer, man, what I'm a roofer? Are you? Are you here to work? Nope? But that's what I do. I'm a roofer and he's all right, sir, go ahead. So yeah, and he worked yeah, Sam and Sam and had his Kendall stick with him and he was a few beers in there. Aren't those moments when you're like, man, I have the coolest job, Like is it to me? Were you just as rob? Isn't that worth more than some paycheck or some nice car? Like that sounds amazing? Experience, man, the experience. Yeah, well again, and that's why and that's why a lot of us would do it for free. Yours, Jeff Townsend, Media rout