What's she gonna do? Brother? When Jeff Townsend media runs wild on you, I am your brief. Yeah, you know, we're missing all the good stuff, like me criticizing your apple juice, which I'm sure you were excited to say I was drinking apple juice instead of soda, and then I just showed all over your apple juice on top of it, so well, I strategically place that coke. And I don't know if you realize that I had done that. Did you assume I had done that on purpose? Just curious? Of course I knew you did. Yeah, okay, good, you know me well enough now to know yep. Yeah, Hey man, So I figured out something really cool today. They have these shirts they make with thumb holes on them. Oh, I didn't know about this. I'm like, he hear all the cool kids are doing it, so I'm like, oh, fuck, Like now I'm doing it, right. Do you have any shirts like that? I had a sweatshirt like that, which made a little more sense because you were a sweatshirt if you're cold, and if you're cold, you might want to have your hands a little extra protected from the elements. I gotta imagine that idea. It just came from someone who had like some old you know, like ratty sweatshirt that like the cuffs started to rip rip on there and just like had a hole in there, and like, oh, but look, i can make it like a half a glove. I've got some fingerless I got some fingerless mittens, which also like makes no sense, right, It's like it's like, are those the ones that like fold just like the only it's basically looks like a homeless guy's winter glove or something that where the fingers are all worn out. It's like, well they have to have the fingers for the grip on the card. Yeah, okay, yeah, makes sense. Yeah, that's what I see. Nice. You see a lot of homeless people there. It this way, like more than more than I'd like to just because I don't like seeing any homeless people. Uh. I was actually driving back from I was like coming back from he was, I'm back from my way. I'm Gainesville at the bench fest I did here recently. When I stopped and got casts and older gentleman I'd say, he's probably pushing seventies, and he had a sign basically saying he was a war of at and he you know, just needed some help, and I had some leftover food from the from the weekend, so I just quick pull pulled aside and I grabbed a grab some oranges and a box of triskeits I had that hadn't been opened up yet, and five dollar bill and I started walking towards him. It's like, hey, man, how's it going. How are you doing today? Doesn't turn and look at me at all. I'm like, hey, how's it going? Like no response, And then I get like in front of him and I'm talking. He's like, I can't hear anything. Like I'd like deaf too. I was like, jeez, man, Like, So I gained the little getting a little care package and went on my way. You know, that's nice to you. I saw one last week a guy and I live near Indianapolis. You know. That guy had a sign that said, I'm not going to lie, I will spend I'll spend the money on alcohol. Yeah, so I gave him some money. Yeah. I had that happened in college. Some guy, some guy was outside of our pizza the pizza shop I worked at. He was trying to sell me cassette tapes, you know, which he probably should probably stolen. Yeah, I know I'm old, right, so Jesus Christ. So yeah, he had all these cassette tapes, which I can only imagine we're stolen, and he's trying to sell me these like and not new cassette tapes. Right, they were obviously like used cassette tapes. Fucking those the stuff's coming out of the holes and everything. It wasn't that bad, but I was you know, it wasn't exactly like top bands, like you're like, oh, yeah, I'd really loved to listen to that. It's just like all these obscure bands and acts on these casts tapes. So it wasn't like George Street or something like that. No, it may it was like meat Loaf might have been like the most well known as an actor ever. And yeah, so he's like, hey, brother, you know, I just he's like, I said, listen, so what are you going to use the money for? So don't lie to me. It's like, oh, I go buy a couple of forties. I was like, I got cool, here's five bucks. You can keep your cassette tapes. Go get yourself a couple forty you know. So yeah, I mean I always say, you know, I don't really care what they do with the money. Yeah, you know, I really doubt And I'm not going to sit there and be the moral police if I'm If I decide to help somebody out, and whatever they do with that is up to them, right, it doesn't come with conditions. And yeah, so you know, it's it's it's tough because I wasn't really exposed to that a lot as a kid, and then you expose you as you get older, and you know, makes you feel away, and and then you realize, like, man, you can't help all of them, you know, I don't I don't have I don't have that. I don't have that kind of money, right uh. And and weirdly, the people in the world who do have that kind of money, like that's not what they're really concerned with. Yeah, true, trying to help everybody out. So but yeah, man, I remember when I first moved out to LA. I lived in LA for a bit, and I was walking around the area where I moved. It was like some homeless person was like laying on the side on like the sidewalk, and they had some blankets and stuff round them. They're laid out and like next to them was an I phone and I'm look man like, that's like, that's where we are now in the evolution of homeless. People were like, you know, they're homeless, but they've but they've got their iPhone. Yeah, they're just bumming. They're just trying to find a outlet. Welull get in charge and and quite and quite frankly, you know, like I've got Verizon or whatever, you know, my with what I pay for my monthly cell phone bill, I can see how someone could go homeless pretty quick. If you know I wasn't homeless and I got my cell phone. You know, that basically put me out of my home because in one hundred and fifty one hundred and fifty bucks a month for a phone service is silly, right, That's why you're going to Canada. You gotta pay that phone bill. Man, that's gonna be fun three days. You'd be generated for three days, four days. Is there is this going to be live streamed anywhere where I can like watch it? Nah? I don't believe. So. Yeah, I was gonna fucking gonna trash that event man. Online. You can probably buy the DVDs someday they'll probably come out with the DVD herself to DVDs. What are those? I think it friends of mine who like, were so proud of their DVD collection just had hundreds of hundreds of DVDs and movies and shitw what do you do with all those? Right? The wrestling scene used to be pretty big on that trade, on the tape trade for all intensive purposes. Is how Ring of honor, game, Ring of honor? Right, it was you had this huge void that needed to be filled once you know, WW bought all their competition and the indies were kind of there to the void. And now you started having, yeah, like VHS tapes and so there's capabilities for people who were really into the wrestling scene, not just the mainstream but all like the obscure, smaller promotions. They started tape trading, and that was URF video was you know, this tape trading, you know post basically, and you know, from what I understand is eventually they said, well, why don't we just create our own promotion and so that you know, we got our own tapes to sell right to all these people that are trading all these different you know, Japanese promotions and obscure things, so matches galore, yep. And then that that kind of birth the whole like message board phenomenon. So then you know, for for a guy like me is breaking in, then you start to give a weighted value to the opinions of these fans on message boards, because in some ways the popularity with that fan base on the message board would directly affect where you get positioned on the card or if you know, if if the booker decides he wants to push you, if you're over with tape trading or this message board community, right, and so yeah, this is kind of the invent of us starting to give a lot of value to the small, vocal minority of fans because in a lot of ways they were driving our success. It sounds like the beginning of all the aw fans. I mean, it's really all an extension of it, isn't it. It's some good apple juice, by the way, If that's just some plain Olas Kroger apple juice, I can imagine a it's a concentrate, might even have some added sugars, and certainly as an organic and apples are one of the produce items that you would prefer to buy organic. So there's something called the clean fifteen and the dirty dozen. Okay, So the dirty dozen is the twelve produce items fruits and vegetables that when they've done tests, contained the most past the sides. So these are the ones that if you're gonna, you know, pick, choose where you buy organic. The dirty dozen are the ones that you absolutely want to buy organic if you can, because they have the most pest pest the side residue. If strawberries on there. Strawberries are like the top. I knew that. Yeah, and think about anything you're eating the peel of, right or not, you know, eating the outside it's like an apple, you know, strawberries, spinach, it's on there. Um, So you get to the clean Cucumbers are yeah, I definitely want to do slueberries, blueberries and other berries in general. These are the things you know that I make sure I always excuse me, I always buy I had a huge salad side was so good. I always buy organic. And then there's the clean fifteen. These are the items that there isn't much of a difference between organic and non organic, and those are things like avocados, bananas, um, actually cauliflower because it cauliflower tends to be naturally resistant to bugs. Hey, how did you say, how did you How did you say that cauliflower, cauliflower, cauliflower cauliflower? You said, Cali cauliflower, cauliflower. Yeah, how did you say? It must be a wiscons cauliflower. Yeah, cauliflower, That's what I said. But never mind. Yeah, broccoli, eggplant, grapefruits. Those are all on the Clean fifteen. There's more. You can just look it up, you know you can. You can web search clean fifteen Dirty does it and you'll see the list of the fruits and vegetables that, um, the dirtiest that you want to get organic if you can, and then the ones that aren't so bad. So um, it's it's a it's a good tool. You know, if you're trying to pinch pennies and you can't afford to buy organic everything, and you realize, oh, I don't need to buy organic everything again. Avocados, there really no difference. You're you're taking, you're eating the inside of the avocados, so you're not just concerned with pesticides. Um. Singing saves some money that way and reallocated towards these dirty dozen. Your strawberries, your blueberries, your spinach, your apples, things of that sort um. Yeah, man, you know these are these are the little the little tips and tricks. You know, it's a you know, oatmeal, oatmeal can be eng Gleipha said, you know, you want to get an organic oatmeal if you eat it. Nuts tended to really absorb pesticides. Um, So it's like good to get organic nuts. If you're going to be a nut eater. You're a world class nut eater. Yeah. You know me, I love my nuts, my nuts and my turnips. Well, you know, I like cash shoes. You use cashes for a lot, like you know, make cheese out of cash shoes. You make a cashowe cheese. But they turn everything like bad. Like there's bad cashiers too, like like the crazy flavored kind. I imagine they're not like, um, world class healthy, but I eat the funk out of them. That huh. Well, just again, you know, read the ingredients label and I imagine, like, you know, I don't know if this is something that's part of your ritual. I'm going to assume it's not, because for most people it isn't. It's almost impossible for me to buy something from the grocery store without reading the ingredients label first. Obviously, once I know what things are. I don't have to read it every time. But if I'm buying something new, or I'm choosing between two different kind of juices, or different kind of bread, or different kind of whatever it might be peanut butter, all these things, it comes down to what's actually in it. It's you know, and so it's not the front of the label, which is the propaganda and the sales, it's the flipping it over. Just read the ingredients list, so you know exactly what you're buying once you're put in your body. And you know, again, if someone came up to you in the street said here, drink this, and your first question be, well, what is it? What's in it? Right? But when we buy it from the grocery store, we just assume that, well, if it's there, it must be okay. And now we've got, you know, a lot of evidence over a lot of years to say no, the majority of stuff that's allowed in the grocery stores isn't good for you. And I don't know why that is. I don't know where these agencies are that are supposed to be protecting the consumer that they're failing, and they're allowing you know, vast majority of the food products you're going to go buy in a grocery store aren't really healthy for you, you know, So you got to start learning to read the ingredients list and so you know what's going in your body. Kind of piggyback that. It's like with these vaccines, right, well, what's in them? Give me the ingredients list, you know, and so I get it. Most people don't give a shit and they don't read the ingredients list, and they'll they'll put whatever in their body without really questioning it. I'm the opposite. I want to know exactly what's in something before I decide to digest it or inject it into my body. You also don't grocery shop for a family. You're asked to be in that store all day looking at labels. Man, you'd be like a six hour adventure. But I'm telling you, Jeff, like it's it's again, I safety invest in your health. That's the time you have to put it in the front end that eventually you're educate yourself and you won't have to do it because you're gonna know exactly which one to grab because you've done the work, right. But if you never do the work and you never educate yourself, then you're just going to go through life unconsciously consuming things and just praying and hoping that Kelloggs gave a shit about your health. Right, So, once you start educating yourself and you know the difference, well, then you're gonna have a you know, then those shopping trips will go really quick. But yeah, at first, when you're comparing pasta sauces in the aisle and I'm comparing price to quality, right and trying to find, you know, that sweet spot for me and for everyone, you know, it's going to be different, So I might have to skew more to the price and have to sacrifice some quality, you know. But or some people have plenty of money and they can buy the absolute best ingredients and products across the board. So everyone gets to figure that part out for themselves. But if you're not doing that work to even understand that not all pasta sauces are made the same. Again, tomatoes are one of the Dirty dozen, so you want to try to get organic ketchups, organic tomato sauce, organic tomatoes because they're heavily sprayed with pesticides. So now you start looking, well, what kind of you know, it doesn't have added oil in there, you know. So if I look at two or three different pasta sauces, one has a soybean oil right or a canola oil in there, another one has pure virgin olive oil, one has no oil whatsoever, I'll probably grab the one that doesn't have any added oil. Then you start looking at the sodium content. How much salt are they added to each of these. Then you look at the sugar salt salt you know, well, listen, sugars, sugar, salts, and fat are the three things that we're we're innately attracted too because when we were hunters and gatherers, sugars, salts, and fat gave us the most bank for our buck, gave us the most energy for the work we just put into catch whatever we did. So that's why we love those things. But the differences now is we you know, we didn't have those at our disposal twenty four to seven when we were hunters and gatherers, where now we can overload on sugar, salts and fats, you know, as much as we want, and to the detriment of our health a lot of times. But that's why we innately just are attracted to those things, right, they give us the most energy for what for the expenditure of acquiring them. But yeah, so you just read ingredients lists and so it's like, okay, look at these different pasta sauces. This one has you know, three grams of added sugar, you know, and then you go, okay, well, there's eight servings in that jar. So that's twenty four grams of added sugar that I don't have that I can make the decision to go, okay, I'm gonna grab the one that has no added sugar and just and so that's twenty four grams of sugar I just saved. And you start doing that across the board. And then if you want to drink that soda every once in a while as a treat, okay, but you're consciously knowing, Hey, I'm about to consume thirty nine grams of sugar. That's what's in a soda, right and I and I only know that because I looked right now, how much is in a soda? Fuck thirty nine grams of sugar. That's a fuck ton of sugar, you know, Like that's a lot of sugar. When you break it down, do you keep like a food diary, like a journal every day I have. I don't now when I'm really trying to dial in though my diet, then I will, you know, like I'll take But in the early stages, back when I kind of first started this journey, yeah, I had notebooks where I would track, and you know, it was fucking tedious, and attacked an extra like thirty five minutes on for every meal because I'm not only am I I have to like weigh things out and then so I gotta get out of food scale. So I got to weigh it out so I know what a portion size is, you know. But this was part of the learning process. I remember the first time I weighed out one portion size of pasta and I was like, pat's it? Like that's a portion size. So I've been eating like three portion sizes of pasta my whole life without even realizing it, right, because a portion size, you know, when you when I waited it out, it wasn't it was like maybe three quarters of a cup of pasta. I was like, what is that? So I'm going, oh shit, So I've been like taking like three servings of pasta. So that's like one hundred carbohydrates, you know, not just you know, forty or whatever. So it's the education process. So yeah, all those journals, you know, all those notebooks I kept, well, after a while I started to know innately, like what these represented again, a bananas one hundred calories, twenty five carbohydrates, you know, which is you know, mostly all fruit sugar. You know, after a while you start to understand what things are or what a portion size should look like on your play because you've measured out so many times now that you know what it looks like, you know. And so that's part of the education process. Which again, if I was going to write a curriculum for schools, this would be as much a part of the learning process as anything else we do because it has such a huge impact on our life and our health, you know, But we don't. So it's up to us to educate ourself. And yes, you do have to put some initial work in. You got to spend a luctu of time with the grocery store, you spend a luct of time in the kitchen, you write these things down. You know. The nice thing is is they have apps now that do all the work that I had to do manually, you know, fifteen years ago with a calculator now, and I think I'll find one right now. I'll recommend to people, you know, while you're finding that, I will say the high school health teacher was a very large lady. Nice lady, sure, but very large. And I always thinking back at it now, I'm like, yeah, my sex said teacher was a monk. Yeah, yeah, to each his own, to each his own. It's a virgin, never had sex, but he was the sex head teacher. Kind isn't that kind of the same thing. It sounds like it matches the curriculum, right, Yeah. Abstinence you know, Hey, I've never had sex, but I'm gonna teach you about sex. Hey, I don't know anything about health, but I'm gonna teach you about health. I don't I don't practice it in my in my everyday life. I don't actually apply to these things that I know, but let me tell you all about it. So like with with sex, they're like abstinence substained from it, it's not like that with health. They're like, hey, you know, just try more fruits and vegetables. Yeah, you're a diet soda so the one So the app that I use is called Chronometer, Yes, o n ometer chronometer. And it's cool because you can actually scan the UPC code on the food and if it's in the database, it'll pop right up. So if you don't have to enter it immanually, you can enter it immanually if it doesn't show up in the database, and then it will be in there for other people to use. But yeah, and it just keeps a running count of all your all your categories, your calories, your fats, your carbs, your sugar, your salts. You know, it's really as detailed as you want it to be. So it's a great tool, right you can have an idea of like, well, okay, what am I what am I eating in a day? You know, when I work with people and help them in health coaching and helping them get on a certain type of diet, first thing I always ask is for them to keep a food diary for like a week, so I have an idea of what they're eating, what they're eating, habits are you know, when what time of day they're eating, how much they're eating, what are they eating, So that we have we have an idea of what the current situation is and then what we need to improve on. It kind of feels like to me that the actual handwriting part of it was like part of the journey under we retain more knowledge when we actually write it down, and they've done studies on that, right, Well, we actually write things down, take notes in that way, we it retains the information more. But if you're doing this now, you know, like for me, I kind of have a grasp of the information, but now it's for me to just feel put it in and go, Okay, I'm trying to hit this many calories to keep my size on right. You know, I need to make sure I'm eating enough calories. Well I could just keep a running total all day so that when I get to dinner it's like, okay, well here's here's where I'm at, here's my numbers, and here's here's where I need to eat for dinner to make sure I'm hitting my numbers for the day and make whatever adjust so I need to make Especially when I was going on that like kind of row fruit based diet which was new for me to do, it was really important to go, Okay, got to make sure I'm get enough glories and I'm not you know, way under eating because it's easy to do when you're just eating fruits and vegetables, and so that really helped me to, you know, put put some meals together so I knew what their what their numbers were, and then I could just stick with those and always be consistent. How do you do all this though, Like if you're looking to build muscle, edition, Like like if you're trying to gain muscle and stay treated these principles, like how do you held Hildy do that? It's just calories in calories out right. So there have been studies and I've read a book Budy of Mind named Robert Cheeks when the kind of the original like vegan bodybuilders, you know, old school, he tested this philosophy that study that showed we only really needed like ten to fifteen percent of our overall calories coming from protein. Okay, so they're putting that context. If we were to eat a two thousand calories, ten percent of two thousand calories would be two hundred calories. There's four grams or four calories in each gram of protein, so that's fifty grams of protein would be what would be necessary. Woll you you freeze up on me or you're stroking out on me, which are you good? All right, Yeah, I'm good. I'm listening. The screen froze for a second and it kind of froze here. Oh sorry, yeah, I thought you're you're anyway, well, I am drinking this apple juice. You know, ever fucking nuts. But yeah, so so off a two thousand calorie diet. To maintain your muscle mass, you know, you need fifty to seventy five grams of protein. Now, most people are trying to consumer. They've been taught to consume one pound or one gram per pound of body weight. So if you weigh one hundred and fifty pounds, they're trying to eat one hundred and fifty pounds of protein. And yeah, so most of us are really overeating protein because it's been drilled in us by the people who sell us protein. Of course, so Robert tested this theory. So for a year he stuck to a whole food plant based diet, which means no supplements, no no protein powders, just whole food plant based diet. He was lifting heavy to put on size, and he was sticking to that ten to fifteen percent of his overall calories coming from protein, and in a year he put on like twenty twenty five pounds of muscle. Right, And so the thing is is if you want to put out muscle, you don't just up your protein, but you up your overall calories. So you go from you know, okay, two thousand, I'm going to stake three thousand calories in a day, you know. So now my protein, if I'm still sticking at ten percent or fifteen percent, is going to go up. But everything's going up, not just the protein. So when it comes down to keeping on size for me, you know, which I've lost some size since I haven't been as active in TNA. You actually got pretty that's the big years runs. So what were you doing then? Well, so two eleven twelve, when I got really big, you know, hey, just full disclosure, I went on some tiestosterone therapy you know, you know, prescribe by a doctor. I was now you know, in my like thirty thirty four thirty five. So for someone who hasn't you know, used that much in his career, that obviously helped. But again that's it's it. All that does is help speed up the processes of muscle repair and muscle building, right, So you still have to put the work in. I was just really I was really focused and committed to lifting. I mean it was probably the most consistent I had been in the gym, following a program day in and day outlifting heavy, like just trying to lift really heavy for the first time in a while. Who was helping you at that? Uh? So I went I went to a guy named Adam Davis with Motion Performance Fitness, and so I was training with him for a while. Um. But then after that, just you know, just myself, just I was in a good routine. I just had a good program that I was able to stick to. And then eating, you know, consistently am I eating? And really that that's the magic formula at the end of the day. If you ask anyone who's had success in fitness some bodybuilding, it just comes down to consistency. And that's one thing I've struggled with admittedly over my you know, my life is just staying consistent with things, staying discipline with things, not letting life, not letting life. What do you mean by that? You uh seemed like you get you can get over something pretty quickly. Well expound expound for us, Jeff, I'm season out here, I'm frozen. Yeah, No, I was just talking about the podcast. You're like, I didn't actually say anything, said a bunch of stuff. I didn't say anything. That's me. That's just me be my harshest critic, which has always been the case. I hate you. Feel like I got to be your cheerleader, though, I gotta like stay on you Like I hate watching my matches, I listen to my promos. I don't like listening to my podcast. I don't like. I don't. I just don't. Yeah, I made him do that for you listening today. I gave him a work assignment. He wasn't very happy about it, so I was fine, I gotta done quick. I wentn't I got the clips you did? Yeah, but that made that made me have to listen to the podcast episode, and I was just like, uh, you're just rambling about nothing, which basically is what I'm doing for this one too. But we're open that that's what people like. I just want to hear random ramblings of me, So T and A. I want to go back to that. So you're lifting a lot of weights. Do they have like this real like a real strickler drug program? There? I know you said you're prescribed, but ah, well what was that like compared to b TWBS when you went there. W TB's is really strict. I mean, you know I had to I had to get a therapeutic exemption, you know from an endochronologist, Go get on my levels checked, you know. And for a lot of laymen or the you know, I say that like the common folk. Um. You know, steroids have been painted in a very like negative way and people just jump to a certain um conclusion anytime that words brought up. And whether it's baseball or you know, any any type of competitive sport or pro wrestling, you know, it's a supplementation, right, and if it's if it's done correctly, under under a doctor's supervision and making sure that your your your levels stay in an acceptable range, that you're following certain protocols. Um, it can be really beneficial for certain people pro athletes especially, you know, who are who are physically tearing their body down and then being asked to recover quickly so they can do it again. I mean, it's based on what we do as probably as a pro wrestler. And you know when I talk to this drochronologist, you know, he said, let'st say, He's like with what you do for a living. What eight, you know is thirty eight at the time for your age, you know, with where your blood levels are. Is like, I feel completely comfortable, and it's actually beneficial for you to stay on this considering what you do that you're being asked to beat your body up, recover, beat your body up, recover, beat your body up, recover. You know, so again, I'm not taking in ordin amounts trying to put on sixty pounds a muscle my body should never have. You're just trying to supplement again, you know, we are peaked. Testostral levels you know are in our you know, late twenties, you know, into our early third and then from there we start, you know, our testosterol level start decreation as we get older, and that's part of the aging process. So really with with hormone replacement therapy, all you're trying to do is supplement to the levels that your body would have had at its peak, right, not levels that are two or three times above that, which is where you have a lot of these health issues and people, you know, would you pay for that abuse. But if you can keep those levels consistently so your body's like Okay, I'm still twenty eight, Like I'm feeling good. It's beneficial, you know. And there's a lot of people that not even just pro athletes, but just older gentlemen who have talked about the mental component and how it helps them mentally and then physically just to to feel, you know, like they're staying young, you know, staying young a mind, staying young a body. How did you, like, how do you afford all this? Like what's a level in wrestler? Like that stuff costs money. It's a bit business expense, you know. I mean it's it's you know, it's who I looked at it. It's maintenance of health insurance, right right, I mean like yeah, so it's it's it doesn't have to be a super expensive investment, you know. I mean to go to a doctor like that and get your initial protocol five to six hundred dollars and then you're probably looking at maybe eighty to one hundred dollars every couple of months to depend on what you're maintaining. It's not to kill. The most expensive part is the consultation with the doctor, getting the blood work done. That's you know, the actual testosterone itself isn't a terribly expensive compound. And my thing is, oh, I could skip all that and I could get on the black market. I mean, that's it's not hard to find. But then for me, you're always questioning the quality. You're questioning, you know, are you really getting back to what you're putting in your body again? Exactly so I would rather go up get it from a pharmacy. I know exactly what it is. It's been vetted, I've got a doctor's supervision. But as far as your your original question, I think teenagers tried to mimic what WW was doing its fires at just to say we have a policy and let's be honest here. Part of ww's policy, Teenage's policy is the optics. When you become a publicly traded company like WWW did, they had to change a lot of the things they did from an optics standpoint of how it looked to make sure that they were keeping their shareholders happy and their public image was was being kept to a certain standard to not affect their their business and their stock prices. I always heard this story where they told Scott Steiner he needed to get tested, you know, take a test, and he said he would win Triple h Wood. He likes to tell that story. And this is in pro sports too, right. Baseball you know, baseball had this you know problem and you know they called it the steroid era. Oh yeah. Anybody that admitted to that was like yeah, yeah, well, you know a lot of guys just lied about it, which to me was Ryan Braun from the Milwaukee Brewers, Milwaukee sports fan. And so he got you know, he got caught lyne about taking performance enhancing drugs. I think it wasn't really performance enhancing. He was trying to get over some injuries and this is going to speed up the process of getting over injuries and getting back on the field. And my biggest disappointment when he when he got busted line was is that he lied. He didn't just come out and tell the truth to say, listen, here's the reality. A lot of a lot of us professional athletes, with the demand that we're that we're putting on our body physically, we take this, we take some type of substance to help us perform or to be able to stay on the field and perform. You know, it's it's it's a part of what we do here right wrong, right wrong or indifferent, but to sit there and lie about it to me, he would have gained my respect that he just leveled and said, you know what, I did. A lot of us do it. I'm not saying that's right, but it's part of this game. We're being asked to do things that aren't natural to the human body from an athletic standpoint, and I want to get back on the field and help my team. So I took this. Helps you what the process. I apologize and I've learned from it and moving on. Yeah, I mean that would have made a big m have made a big difference for sure. So so the question is like, well, you look at some sometimes the people that that you know test positive and gets, you know, get in trouble and it's like, wait, you really you really tested that guy. So you're we're skipping the most obvious, higher profile Yeah, we're skipping the higher profile people that we that you know are a little more protected. But we got we gotta make sure the policies looks like it's effective. So then we go test some some guy down here and he gets in trouble and then looks like we're doing our job and we care what do you what do you think that I know it's publicly traded company. That's going to be your answer, But why does wrestling try to like uphold the same standards as like a professional competitive sport like baseball, like the used to have always athletic commissions and ship back in the ship like like it's not it's not a sport necessarily. I would have that conversation anytime that, you know, we were in a state that had commissions and we're having to go through the dog and pony show of the commissioners there and taking your you know your oh, let's take your blood pressure and and I'm like, do you guys do this? Do you guys do this? When Sesame shoot on ice comes into town too? Yeah? Circus let yeah yeah, yeah. We're more closely resembled to those performers than I am any you know, boxer, MMA, fighter, you're not literally competing like physically. Yeah. Yeah, I would love it because they always have like the formula fill out and a lot of times on the questions is what's your win loss record? So I just make up something completely ridiculous, like like I have a clue what it is, but I would just make up some ridiculous win loss record. But yeah, I think it's and again it's just a shakedown, right, Um, why do I think Why do I think they that they do it? Because, yeah, you know, it's a public perception. You want to forego the moral outrage of those people who are always looking for something to be outraged about, and so that's just one of them. And then when you have when you have wrestlers dying at an early age from things that could be contributed to steroid abuse, then yeah, I think there's also an honest There is an honest part of that that is trying to protect the performer from himself, right, because it's a very competitive business. And if I know that I put on an extra ten pounds or I look a certain way, it's going to help me in my position in the company. A lot of times, you know, we don't do things in our best interests as athletes or as performers. You know, we're so focused on the goal that we're willing to make some compromises along the way for our own health and our well being. So I think the company felt like, you know, it's in their best interest to protect the performer from himself in these matters and at least have some guidelines. And again, I'm sure there's plenty of guys in WWE who do take some type of you know, supplemental therapy with a doctor's supervision, use you know, using the correct amounts, having the blood work done, and it is beneficial for that for what they're doing. I don't know if other pro sports allow that whatsoever. But again we always you know, steroids is like this umbrella term that people like just have kind of demonized, but you know, things like quarter zone is a steroid, right, and so we get quarter zone injections all the time in sports to be able to go out there and play so well, you know, And then always made the argument, well, what's more performance enhancing taking some steroids as a baseball player or getting lasic surgery so you now have perfect vision? Right, And so if we're worried about performance enhancing things, well maybe you just play with the vision that you have and you know, get to enhance your vision with surgery and lasers. I think that would be even more of a benefit than taking it to stosterone. Right. So then for me that's like, well, we're what are we really arguing here? If we're to about a level playing field and it's all fair all around for everybody. Wait till the people find out that you had calf and implants back in the day, They're going to be infuriated. Calf implants. Yeah, who was it, buff bag All that had calfe implants? Yeah, I think it was. I think it was. I didn't want to ask you a steroid question real quick, though, So is your view on it? Because when the Chris bin Waff thing happened, it was like brought to light again. Yeah, like they hit that to the man. They were they were that's driving that to the moon until Chris Nowinsky came out and said other things. But has your opinion changed since then from now? Like I knew you were newer in it then, but like, what were you thinking when all that happened. Here's what I was thinking as I was watching the mainstream news coverage on that event, I was like, Wow, if they're this misinformed and this off base on this story, how misinformed and off base are they on all the other stories? They were factually misstating things of you know, timelines of where people work. They were rolling out all these guests to give their expert opinion that weren't guests that had agendas that weren't really well respected within the wrestling industry. But they were rolling them out like they were and and and making their voice you know, meaningful. Um. And I was just watching, going wow, like so if if they're if they're this wrong here, then I have to assume there this is kind of just how it is. It's just made up and wrong. And yeah, the minute that they the minute they could attach to the steroid thing on there, I mean, that was one hundred percent where they were going to run with it. And yeah, as I think now, as we're as we're learning, is that it was probably much more related to mental health issues and repeated concussions and how that can bring on um, you know, things like depression and some of these things that can trigger people. And it's unfortunate that that wasn't a moment where where we started to real and instead they just took what the buzzword was that was going to get everybody riled up, and they just they just do hammered that. And I remember at the time, being with Ring of Hotter, I contacted the office there and I said, hey, guys, as like we should be here's our moment to try to to get some positive publicity for our company because we don't have that. We don't have the money that that you know, WWE has. Right at the time, Ring of Hotter was covering some people's health insurance indirectly, which to us so basically like for me, they I had my insurance, my monthly premium and they and they reimburse me for it, and they were doing that for a number of talents on top. It was something that you know, I felt strongly about it. I thought it was like, uh, what a cool thing we can do as a smaller company to say we care about our talent. So let's as part of the contract. As part of the deal, you know, we pay that eighty or a hundred or two und whatever it was a month to make sure that they have health insurance as an independent contractor. So I thought that was something we could have like really, you know, we could have really said, hey, look at us, we're ring about or we're the number three company. We don't have we don't have the type of payroll, but we don't put a premium on size and we're and we're trying to take care of our performers to the best of our ability, and it would have been a moment to maybe try to shine some line on what they were trying to do there. What did they say when you pitch that? Yeah, good idea, I mean house, Yeah, had boys. Yeah, that's some of bitch. This move, don't Austinari is just you know, being Austinaries, being Austinaris, Austinaries being Austinaries, all him and all these big ideas. All right, go wrestle a good match. We're not paying you to think here. Yeah. Yeah, that's got in trouble for it. That's interesting though. That's actually pretty cool they did that. I didn't. I didn't know that. That's kind of like, uh, I can almost see where like a wrestler put in a position to do some you called it black market stuff. But if you're just like grinding on, like the indie scene, you don't have much money, you get hurt. You're kind of like so ol man like it puts you in or if you want to if you want to improve in certain ways muscle mass or something, you're kind of in this situation where you might have to do that because if you didn't have much money, you couldn't go to the doctor and get that consultant and appointment. And the other part is if you're twenty five, twenty six, twenty eight, there's not a doctor that's going to prescribe it because you don't need any supplementation at that age. You're producing just fine. So if now you want that advantage of putting on that muscle mask, then you're going to have to go to those those other sources, right, I mean, that's in that's part of the deal. I was pretty naive to that part of the business for you know, a number of years, and so I realized like, oh wow, like a lot of dudes around this, like a lot of people are okay, you know, so you start educating yourself so you don't how big were you? How much as you way when you won the title from smoo Jo, I wasn't very big theres Yeah, I was no bigger than that. I've I've been. I've always sat right around like one seventy five and right before the TENA world title when at my biggest I was about one ninety two. Yeah, and again I don't have a very big frame, so you know, to put that you know, twenty extra pounds on my frame. I was, man, I look back as all as pictures. I'm like, can I ever get back to that or even close? And we're entering fifteen pounds now, so no, you probably can't. Yeah, right, I wish I'm still sitting about one seventy five right now. Maybe not, maybe not distributed exactly the way i'd like it too, but yeah, I'm still I've been pretty consistently around there. I would freak out anytime I drop a low one seventy. If I saw like a one sixty something on the scale, I would freak out because it's like for me, that's always and the struggle was keeping size on. Yeah. You know, I think my body naturally probably would want to be about one sixty if I wasn't, you know, constantly working out and trying to you know, I think my body would want to be about one sixty. So you know, I'm trying to carry ten fifteen pounds, you know, more than it probably naturally would. And then at that time with TNA carrying like thirty pounds more, and then I got hurt, you know, I got too big too quick. I think it was destination. I'm not sure which show it was me and me and samo Joe in the opener, and yeah, I just took a bad bump towards end of the match on like an island driver, and you know, felt something in my back kind of go and at the time was it was pretty bad. I remember them like I had to do a pre tape at a backstage and the the locker room was like way on the other side of the arena. So I got back to the locker room to try to like clean up and cooled out, and then like I had to go do this like live pre tape, and I'm like, there's no way I'm gonna be able to walk all the way across the arena in time. So like we found like an office share that had wheels on it, and like they just like wheeled me over to the other side of the arena. So I get there quickly and do this pretape. So that so I but then again, you know, I didn't want to take time off from the gym. I was in the scroove. I knew I was, you know, I was getting this push, I was looking good, I was feeling good. I was you know, a little back wasn't feeling too great, and like the next week, I went to the gym and I just bent over, like I hadn't even started doing dead list, but I just bent over, like do a warm upset with just the bar. And the minute I bent over something, you know, I later found out I tore a disc in my in my lower back, my lower vertebrae and h and man, it just sent me to the ground. And and that was difficult because it I had a hard time really lifting for close to a year, Like I couldn't land a bench comfortably, I couldn't do any any type of squad or deadlift. All the while they're pushing me to be the champ. And so I'm not going to tell anybody, you know, like they keep this to myself elf as much as I can. It's all about the push, baby, It's all about the fucking yeah. And you can't like, you know, you again going back to need to be protected from ourselves sometimes. You know, it's like I wasn't going to jeopardize that opportunity because I'm injured, and you just don't say anything about it, you know. Yeah, it's amazing what you guys do for the push. Man. I will say that it's all about the push. We all got a little bit of a screw loose somewhere, you know. Yeah, you can't. You can't be completely normal and to pro wrestling for a living because most normal people don't like getting beat up and like, no, like knowing it's going to happen, you know. Yea. So I'm talking with my mixed martial arts friends. You know, it's like they have a chance to get in that cage and not get hurt. They get a choke on a guy, they knocked the guy out, they get choked out, right, there's a chance they don't really take a lot of physical damage. But pro wrestling doesn't matter. Like every match i'm signed, I'm signing up for it basically, no matter how good i am, no matter who wins or loses, I'm gonna get slammed. I'm gonna get chopped, I'm gonna get kicked, punched to some extent. You know, I'm gonna hit the turnbuckle. It's gonna hurt. So that's what we do. You're gonna get bagged, You're gonna get something new. Yep, Yes, sir, you had a crazy week man, are you Are you hanging in there? Yeah? I'm good. I'm good. It wasn't that crazy. Really, it was only one thing. Really, wasn't that crazy. Yeah, you know, it's just did another one of these veg fests. It was cold and rainy, so that kind of hurt the tenants a little bit since it was outside. It was outside. Yeah, a lot of these are outside. It was at Depot Park in Gainesville, Florida, and um, not like a ya. He planned to go inside if it rained or something or No. It's in a park. It's you know, everyone's got their food trucks out there and outside feels good. It's part of the deal. Um, But it was still fun. You know. I got to see my buddy Chuck Carroll, who I'm hoping to bring on here at some point. Chuck Hill Style the voice for PCRM, which was Physicians Committee of Responsible Medicine. He does their Exam Room podcast. And I met Chuck when he worked for CBS Sports. He did an interview with me when my book Food Fight was released. And so Chuck at his heaviest was about four hundred and twenty pounds. He's about five foot six, so he was you know, he was You didn't think he was going to live to see thirty started losing a lot of weight, kind of plateaued. And so after we did the interview with my book, I said, hey, man, you ever thought about going vegan? Said, just you've You've come so far, You've put so much work, and I think this could be the thing that puts you over the top. And turned him into a couple of documentaries to watch, and you know, in no time at all, he adopted a vegan lifestyle. He left CBS Sports and started doing the Exam Room and I think they said they just hit twelve million downloads for their Exam Room. Podcas asked over the course of it, so was that documentary Supersized Me? Or I mean, what was it? I think I toned to watch What the Health? And the other one was you know what the Health was one of them and Forks over Knives? Yeah, those are the two. Did you watch Supersize Me? Yeah? I saw that too. Yeah. Well it's painful watching him force himself to eat that food, you know, and then realizing a lot of people just do that. Yeah, like he was getting sick at first, his body was not. I think he was either vegan or vegetarian. I don't remember, but I just remember him him forcing himself and his body just couldn't not handle it at first, but it did adapt to it. Have you ever seen where they've done studies with the fast food like hamburgers and French fries, where they'll put them somewhere for like thirty years and they'll come back and the hamburgers still completely fine, like nothing's happened to it. Really, Yes, go go go do a little research on it. It doesn't decay, it doesn't mold like that's you're like, well, what are they putting in this that gives it a you know, fifteen years shelf life? Wow? A cheeseburger fifteen years? Wow? Is that something I should be putting in my body? I think that's good. That's the title of this episode. Is that something I should be putting in my body? Yeah? That could be a good title to draw attention. Yeah, it could be. We could Maybe we could do that as like one of the little like weekly games. Is this something I should put in my body? And then just pull up some random like hey banana, Well define what you mean by put this inside your body? Because and is it organic? Is it organic? And exactly where are you putting it now? Because the pesticides could be bad. If it wasn't organic and you tried to put it somewhere where he shouldn't, then you could get some sort of infection, right, yes, apple juice staff infection or something. This apple juice is so good, man, I'm feeling great tonight. Yeah, man, but no, it was good. Yeah, you know it's a little super Bowl happened recently. Yeah. I went out, me and Chuck went out and watched watch that at at a at a watering hole in Gainesville. I didn't really watch a lot of Super Bowl. What the hell is a watering hole? I don't know what. I don't I'm not bar bar hole. Is that like a Florida thing or well that's like old school like Western thing? I think, like yeah, like the old Western Yeah, speak easy, speak easy, okay, all right, the water okay. Yeah. So I went there and uh, the game was on. It was kind of half watching. It was funny though, like people that were there, I think they were watching the game, but when halftime came on, it was like they were all like in a trance, like there everywhere did you quiet? Like they were just like so focused. I was like, aw, man, were honest, pregnant. It's all sorts of weird stuff for that. That's very interesting, Uh, very interesting halftime show, especially off the heels of the of the Sam Smith Grant Me performance too write and some similarities there. When was the Doctor dre eminem one that that was a great one. It took me back to the good old days. Yeah, that last year, the year before. It's not important. I don't know, I don't know, it's hard. It's it's I watched sports a lot differently now that I did, say, five years ago, just with my perspective of of everything and how it's changed. So looking for the propaganda and the messaging that's you know, being interlaced in all these things, and uh, it's it's it's interesting. I'll leave it at that. We've been rambling on for a while, but I'll ask you one more thing, So I'm not going to talk about the other thing that happened during the week that I'm still laughing about. What's what is it your your social media count? Oh my Twitter getting hacked? Your Twitter got hacked by a crypto bro. Yeah, that was the highlight of my week. Yeah, I mean, I honestly, I didn't I didn't really care. I think I was more worried about it than you were. One hundred percent. You were hundred percent you were you got NFT. The crypto guy got you, dude, man, well I got I got it back. It only took a few days and luckily, Yeah, they spammed a few people with the crypto stuff, but you know, they didn't go and change anything within there that didn't like unfollowed or follow a bunch of people. Um, everything was pretty much left untouched. I think once people started reporting him because he was impersonating like a legit crypto guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, then I think I got shut down pretty quick and I was able to regain control today. So I it. You know, he did see the cute little message though, to the show. Yeah, yeah, to the show account and high bro, just to let you know the guy you're like fuck, I had asked her. I didn't respond, you know what, man, I just looked at it like that. That then that's what's supposed to happen that I'm not supposed to. You know, I have a love hate relationship with Twitter anyway, right, Yeah, I don't. I clearly like Twitter. I understand that I've got a certain amount of platform on there and it's a necessary evil, but you know, it certainly can bring as much toxicity and negativity as it can positivity enjoy. So I was like, well, maybe I'm not supposed to have Twitter. Maybe it's just this is my way to just you were. I was like, dude, you can get it back. You're like, help, I don't know. Well, you know, it is what it is. I'm like, dude, you're gonna get your Twitter account back. You're like kind of like, kind of hope, I don't. And I have an excuse to me. I don't have to. I don't have to use it. Yeah, it didn't work out for you that way though, Yeah, you got your account back. There was like five minutes where I was like, oh shit, and that was more word I was like trying to think of, like, is there any sensitive information in my dms? Right? Who's all sent me dick pictures that I got to worry about? Yeah? You never know. God, just say this for the record, I have never sent the dick picture to anyone ever, Like I just I and I don't even understand the whole concept, but I always say this, it must have worked for someone at some point or guys wouldn't do it, right, Yeah, yeah, Like if it didn't work, like, guys wouldn't do it. So it had to work for like, it had to work for some dude somewhere. Speaking of Dick Picks. Uh, did you see that Brett Farve is suing Pat McAfee. Yeah, come on, Brett, come on, Brett, Pat McAfee is eating that alive on a show man. I know Brett's getting some bad advice. Yeah, well it's New Year, Homeland. That's why I brought it up. Yeah, well, you know why he was like Superman to you back in the day. No, I mean not really. I've I've been really good at not putting athletes on pedestils just because they can throw a bar a ball far, hit a ball far or whatever. You know. So and that's you know, That's one thing. And I'll say is I've become more of a fan of Aaron Rodger in the last couple of years as he's come out and spoken out on some things, been able to be able to take the heat and voice his opinion on things as he's you know, jumping into his spirituality and kind of sharing that with um a new audience that probably wouldn't be aware of some of these things. Respect him more now as a person than I, you know, than I, you know do just as a football player, right and yeah, Bred farbs an example that you know, you're a fan of him because of what he does on the football field, but then you find out, um, you know, off the field, he's human. He's human and and maybe not in in alignment with you know, the type of guy I am. But you know, to be fair, that's how you know, a lot of wrestling fans feel about me right now, right, They yeah, you're the Bred Farve minus the record, minus the Dick pictures, minus the embezzlement, you know, my circriminality. Yeah, let's let's stop. Yeah, let's not put me in Bred five in the same categories. Yeah, yeah, that might be a little much. As you're sitting there looking like Louis c. K. Let's let's just yeah, be careful here. I usually get Bill Burr. I usually get Bill Burr, But now that my hair's growing out, they can't say that anymore. No, And I like Bill Burr and Bill Burr's funny. So there's you guys have no similarities whatsoever. But mank, you want to talk about, you know, dick pictures. But again, to be fair to Luis c k, you know, he just pulled his own dick out. He touched it. He let everyone know ahead of time. Hey, just so you know, I'm gonna pull this thing out and play with it a little bit, you know. So we can't love him. We can't love him, like in the same category as like Bill Cosby, who is like drugging women, and like you know what I'm saying, Like we can't just like we can't just put them all together a technicality. Guy walks away. It's like, man, right, yeah, and I was here the batting you're the bag day. Yeah, kind of start and try to start selling me. I'm putting pops again. I don't know about that. But you're a a role to night man. We might have to start a comp we start the Jeff Townsend Show and you can be on my podcast, probably get more viewers. Were first, Yeah, so yeah, first it'd be fun. Well, shit, this is a quick hour. This is a quick hour. Huh when when fast? Are we going to get a guest on the next week you think? Or yeah, we were supposed to have a guest tonight. Unfortunately, he's done. You know, he's done in Mexico and the internet down there is hit or miss, and the internet was down. So we're gonna try to get him in the next week or two. Um, I think I got a guest for next week that I'm excited about. So I talked with him tonight and so he said he's available next week when we we're gonna do this. So, um, yeah, we have to start getting some guests on here because I'm running out of shit to talk about and you and you don't ask very good questions. So I don't think you've talked about nearly as much as you want to yet. Okay, but we will get there could be. But yeah, you're really didn't even talk about aliens tonight. I was gonna talk about aliens. I need to talk about aliens. I want to talk about balloons. Oh man, I was going to try to get you all fired up, but instead I just got to throw little jokes at You's right down and called me so called mister Lewis. Yeah, man, Dan's right, it's terrible. Man. Do you want to do you want to take it home? Do you want to try to get the spill here of speaking out out here. I will send you the information on getting that slide up and running because we're gonna do that. Real short, sweet and simple. Austin Ayshow dot com yep, Austin Ayshow dot com becoming your way soon. Until then, you can of course follow us at Austin Area Show on YouTube, on at Austin Area Show on Twitter, and at Austin Area Show on Instagram. You can email Austin Ay Show at gmail dot com and your questions, comments, concerns go tell me to fuck myself whatever, whatever makes you feel good, and uh yeah, until next week. I still need a good out I need like a Remember Chuck Willery had to like we back in two and two, right, I need I need something. I've got my ship. You don't have your ship, yeah, but I got two things. You got shit, Jeff Well, I've got an intro and I've got an outro go too that I've used for years. You gotta you gotta find that with yourself. You know, I'll get there. You know, this is why I'm not even like six shows in. You've been doing this for fourteen years. So I'll come up with somebody. You know what, if you have a good outro for me. Email me a'll Senora show at gmail dot com. Give me a good outro. That's a good idea if I if I choose your outro for this show, I will send you a free copy my book Food Fight. Noh, I like, there we go, because until then you're gonna have to use the mind, which I will end the show with. Okay, keep being you, keep being great, and don't litter and don't later perfect. What the fuck it? Where are you looking so oily? You like some fucking night baby oil over yourself from your quarterer. No, it's uh that looks like you're a baby oil over it. No, there's dry as fun. No, No jojoba oil is good though? About the chain that is lies in the I'm just saying this account. I'm going in the baby, I I the world, and I'm yours. Jeff Counting Media Bart
