What's she gonna do? Brother? When Jeff Townsend Media runs wild on you? Molly? Alright, alright, alright, it is time for the Billy d Experience. That's it. It is Bill's wife's favorite night of the week. Bill Daumont steps out of the way. He's out of the way, and I deal with him here for an hour and a half, two hours, hell, sometimes three hours. Bill, Man, it's been a week since I talked to you. How are you doing. I'm doing good, buddy. How you know, it doesn't seem like a week. This is kind of like, Um, what I like about it is it's it flows so nicely. And I know we you know, we do this once a week, but I feel like it just flows so well. It's like we're constantly in touch and and doing this. So everything is good, man, and I find it. I just giggle a little bit when you say, oh, it's a week ago, but it doesn't seem that way. So it's all as well. Gotta remember, I have like six other podcasts that, yeah, I try to work on too, so this is by far the one I look forward to the most because gonna talk about wrestling. There's not unlike your household bill. That not a bunch of wrestling fans here. I'll tell you this. My daughter, nine year old daughter did find our videos. She said they were boring, but she did give them a thumbs up just to help us out. They don't care about wrestling in this house. It's just just man, oh man. They're girly girls. Man. So maybe one day, well we're gonna we're gonna have to get there. What their topics of interest are. We're gonna have to talk about that. And I bet they're surprised in our knowledge of what they like. Well, I can a litit through YouTube history, right, it's a lot of YouTube shorts and uh, you know it's it's it's crazy how much money these kids make on YouTube. There's so my son we work out when he's not playing ball. We're in the garage and we're working out and he has a buddy who comes over, good kid, Big Alley comes over and we're working out, and they were talking tonight because there's a kid who rides this crazy motor scooter around the neighborhood and sometimes, as kids do, he's not paying attention. So he's in the middle of the road and it's a little bit of a hazard. But they tell me he's he's making tens of thousands of dollars because he just posts short videos of him riding his motorbike or this scooter down the street and people follow it. And now he's got like this crazy amount of followers. And you know, these kids are not just kids grown ups. I mean people are making money out of just making videos and going, hey, this is how you fry an egg and it gets like one hundred thousand views a couple years ago. My kids are really into the like surprise opening, like when the kids have opened up like a surprise box or something. These would have hundreds of millions of subscribers. Man, it's like, I'm in a views one hundreds and thousands and hundred thousand subscribers. It's insane, Okay, man, that's our that's our homework. We're going to figure out. We're going to figure out what to do, what what stupid human tricks do we have to do to get well. I've been creating content in my whole life, right, Like I had the home alone tape recorder when I was little. That was like the big thing. I had family video camera. Then when I first actually started I guess you know really got going into this kind of stuff. It was I had a lot of I used my Space back in the day to get a lot of views, just unfortunately ahead of YouTube. Man, I had millions of views on my Space, but there was really no YouTube then. So I was just a little bit ahead of the curve, I think then. But now it's crazy now, man, people you save all those videos, I actually don't have the videos. Nope, Oh my god, that's isn't that the thing? Like you have them and then something move, we move on to something else. I won't use them ever again. And then you go, oh, I will say, it's a different world we live in today than it was in the earlier two thousands even absolutely, you know, twenty years make a big difference in in the seventies when this stuff wasn't even a thought before we get into so we had a lot of listener questions that we didn't get into last week because Dave Miltzer took up a lot of our time. We actually had a lot of request people asking what you thought. So if you're listening to this, you the episode before you will have got all those Dave Meltzer answers that you wanted. But today we're going to knock out some additional questions that we had. But before we do that, of course, we will talk about what if you've been up to this week? Any awesome adventures. Yeah, so we had, you know, everything we do other than the time you and I spend together. Everything you know, as as most people are starting to catch onto as about the foundation, we had a great event this past weekend. We were to the Sunrise Rotary Club of Titusville, Florida, put on a car show. They do an annual car show. So being uh, my father in law is a huge car buff. He loves the you know, he goes to car shows. He has an el Camino he built from the ground up, still got the eight original eight track in it and the whole thing. Um. So we're at the car show and the Foundation got to meet hundreds of people. We got to network and introduced the Foundation to a lot more people in the in the community and in that county. Um. So that worked out really well. And then so as we go into next week, by the time we're gonna do next week's episode, I will be speaking in two different counties because next week is Victims Rights Week. Which they focus on families, victims and survivors of not just crashes, but of un homicides and things like that, so families that have Is this recognized on a national level or yes, yes, Oka, Yeah, it's it's National Victims Rights Week and it's the twenty third of April through the twenty ninth, And depending on where you are in the country, everybody does like a remembrance in different ways. And so the two events I'm gonna take part in, I'm going to be speaking at these two events where there's going to be hundreds of people gathering as a you know, to honor the ones that aren't with us. And what's really cool in Lake County is they have a giant wreath and all the victims that aren't the people that are with us anymore get have their names on a ribbon and they attach it to the to the wreath and we just spend the day a little bit of fellowship. You know, everybody that's going to be there as has had a tragedy and so this is the one time of year where a lot of people come out just to be around people that understand what they've what they've gone through, and what they continue to go through. So I'm really I'm nervous about it because you know, as as a family that's that's you know, going through this journey. It always brings me back to that day one. But I think it's so important to let people know that the struggle on a daily basis that they're not alone and and um, together we have an opportunity to keep moving forward. UM. So I'm really excited about what we're going to be doing all next week. UM And as always, you know, we have schools coming up. As it get years up towards the end of the year, a lot of people wait for prom and graduation time. So the foundation itself is really busy and it keeps me busy, but I always try to make sure that we're we're working in those community areas well. You know what's kind of been on my radar this week and it sounds kind of random, but swimming okay. So, like locally, there's been drownings here in Indiana the last couple of weeks. A couple I used students died at Lake Monroe over the weekend and then they found their bodies a couple of days later. And there's another the boy had drowned a retention pond. Just tragic stuff. But my daughter, also, my middle daughter, is learning swimming in school this week, so they're actually once a day and all this week, once a day they're going to the high school going to swimming pool. There ain't had a swim. I'm not saying that's you know, the alcohol may or may not be involved, and there was definitely alcohol on board of the boat in the case of the college, so they don't know if that was the cause. But nevertheless, drownings water. As a parent, that always has scared me for some reason. Yes, we had the girls, both Casey and Kerry, when they were babies. We when we moved to Florida. That was the thing is to make sure they could swim. And I'm talking about babies. And I went to the one class and where they literally just take your child and put them under water. So just full disclosure, I freaked out, jumped to the water to grab my kid. I said, this is not yeah swimming lessons. But believe it or not, it worked there. You know, Casey's a great swimmer, carry was a great swimmer. But there's a there's a great foundation here by a family that's dear to us. They they had lost their son, he drowned in the pool, and they started a foundation because of the especially here in the pools. You know, there's so they're built in right to everybody's decks out here in Florida and things like that. So we work with Chris Martin and his family to raise awareness for them. But yeah, the water is a big deal man and his parents. You're right, we get get a little nervous, like you could be the best swim in the world, but you never know. You see all these things in the ocean and people getting caught, and so it's it's a it's a scary to me. The water is a scarier placed than on the road. Yeah, I'm not ignoring here. I'm on my phone. I've actually wanted to mention and I didn't want to butcher the name. You actually somebody invited you onto a podcast this week. Correct, Yes, and I'm trying to find that name. So it's not butchered. I don't want to be disrespectful. It is. Let me look, I'm gonna do the same thing because I'm terrible remembering. So he's the he's the NBC um. He works at NBC sports UM in Boston. His name is Steve Fall. We spoke this week and he also does things for Wrestling News dot com. I believe, I believe, So yeah, yeah, So we we spent We spent about twenty thirty minutes together. UM naturally have the opportunity to talk about what we're doing here and the podcast and things like that. But it was a nice little catchup and just reminding him and his audience that they can come on here and get get kind of the full stories of some of the questions he had. One of the big ones that I think a lot of people like to ask about is the Goldberg thing, and you and I did a great, great episode on that, So yes, people can tune in here to do that. And so I'm going to do my best as we and to credit to our podcast. Here is why he reached out to us. So hats off to you, my friend, and everything you're doing to get the podcast out there and people are people are starting to take notice. But I always make sure to leave all the meat potatoes here. I'll touch on a few things, but if they if they want to hear the real inside scoop from the Laughing Man, they can join us here. It's always crazy and I'm just having problems. I have so many emails, as you can imagine, from so many different podcast stuff. Couldn't find it. But no, it's and the people that I do listen are really good about good about interacting, and that's actually how we're gonna have an episode today. Last episode went a little bit over. We didn't get to everything we wanted to, but we'll just dive into it. Bill, Okay, first question, I'll just I think we saw this on Twitter earlier from Vince McMahon's mustache. Even if you saw that or not, I see it. I have to get it before. Is if Vince McMahon's mustache is a Twitter name. Yeah, his handles Vince Vince mustache, but his name says yeah. Okay he eat. Just go to the tweet earlier, he replied. He asked it on the tweet that we sent out earlier. Like questions for tonight, this individual replied, don't see it? Why didn't I see? I feel like I don't. I'm not doing something right on this Twitter. Your shadow band, you lost your blue check mark and your shadow band, and yes I lost my check mark. Vince's mustache is his name Phil. It is just as Vince's mustache. He replied on that tweet I sent out earlier saying we record tonight. Does anybody have any questions concerns however I worded it, and he responded, Okay, I'm gonna. I'm I have to look because I'm terrible if I try to find it now, I'll be there the whole My god, we explained the sausage fingers last time with the juicy story, Bill crazy story, and this is what Bens McMahon's mustache asked. What does Bill think about the charges Ted Dbasse and Ted D. D Boss Junior are facing in regards the theft of millions of dollars in federal funds intended for needy families. Just for our listeners out there, I will read a quick article yeah, from nodq dot com. Of course, a federal indictment was unsealed today in Mississippi, charging a former professional wrestler with miss appropriate handling of millions of dollars and a federal safety net funds intended for needy families and low income individuals in Mississippi. According to the court documents, it's it's this article's focusing on Diviosi Junior. But however, I think it's both off dbos's other articles I've read. Yeah, so all three actually so fraudulently obtaining federal funds, including from the Emergency Food assist Since program and the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. They miss appropriated their own personal use and benefit. Oh man, have you heard about this? Will? So it's charged with one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and commit theef concerning programs receiving federal funds, six counts of wire fraud, two counts the concerning programs receiving federal funds, and four counts of money laundering. If convicted, he faces a penalty of five years in prison, maximum penalty of twenty years in prison for the wire fraud count, and a maximum penalty of ten years in prison for each count the theft concerning programs receiving federal funds. This is yea, yeah, this has been going on for quite some time, dude, and I think, yeah, the indictments finally came down. Yeah, right, this is when they dropped the hammer. So here's here's gonna be my take on it. One. So everybody knows this has nothing to do with wrestling, right, It's just, uh, it's unfortunate that it's former professional wrestlers, wrestler wrestlers, it's unfortunate that it's a family that's been held in high regard in the wrestling business. But as as a person, it's appalling. It's appalling that I can't speak on it. I just know that those funds were supposed to be going to people in need and people that were I mean, let's face it, some people were kind of conned out of their money because they thought it was going to someplace where it would do some good. So I think it's um, I think it's terrible. I think it's as always and again NFL, Major League Baseball, NBA, it's a it's a black eye on our industry, unfortunately because it's tied into you know, professional wrestling. But I think it's a despicable thing when people, you know, Rob Peter to pay Paul you know what I mean. It's just, uh, I don't have any other thing to say. I know all three. I know Brett, and I know Ted Junior, and naturally I know uh Big Teddy, and I'm not I don't know what's going to happen. Um, hopefully the families and the people that have been affected by this find a way to be made hole on it. But uh, I think it's it's rotten. It's just it's just rotten. Yeah, And the article does note this, and a diatment is merely an allegation. All defendants are presumed and as until proven guilt doubt in the court of law. But still, man is okay, So I don't want to butcher this, Ted. Let's talk about Ted d vi Elsi, Senior teddy vi Elsi, Is this his first issue with something like this person? I'm aware of, Okay, but this maybe it's the fact that you said this has been going on. The talk of this has been going on for a while. Then, the talk of this case has been going on for a while. I mean that last year it came out where there was allegations. But to your point, this is where the indictments came in. Now, so after all, after the speculation and what's been going on, now they're dropping the hammer on it. I think it. I think it'll hurt Senior because I know Ted does a lot of touring and speaking, especially you know, in churches and things like that. So I'm the perception I think is going to be damaged in it all, and for all the good work that's been done, it's going to be overshadowed by the actions that have been taken. So I'm not I don't believe there's ever been an issue prior to this case. But regardless, this case is big enough where it shouldn't you know, we shouldn't have to be talking about this stuff. Just my opinion, you know, it's just let's talk about the wrestling piece. Teddy ViOS Junior. Yeah, did you think it was interesting when he got out as young as he did of wrestling stepped away? Yeah? I thought he use talented kid. I mean, he looked the part. He's a big, good looking kid, athletic, he could talk and um. His brother, his younger brother was with us in in FCW UM when Yeah, and he was a referee. Yeah, Brett was a referee, and Brett kind of left and Teddy Junior, you know, kind of just bowed out after a while. He didn't spend a lot of time a lot of years up there, you know, so it was oh okay, And he didn't exactly have a world renowned tour on the independency either. He kind of just walked away. I thought that was strange, um and never looked back. Yeah, time somebody walks away and they look back. In his case, I guess he got involved in his like this stumber the um. I don't know how to word what they're doing. I guess the nonprofit is that we had word it nonprofit stuff that the family's doing, because yeah, I just thought it was weird. I didn't mind watching him. I thought he maybe didn't have the his his true personality, maybe didn't sign to the full capability of it. I agree had some good moments. He was part of the faction, he had the million dollar bell, he had some good stuff. But to see him just kind of walk away, even earlier than like a Curtis Axel, Yeah, you know, Uh, it was just strange to me. And we never heard from him again. He's been doing this stuff. So yeah, I don't know. I just wanted to your thoughts if you had a lot of experience with Ted Dibios Junior or not. Yeah, I knew him and when he came up, like I said, he was a young kid, Like he came up at the same time as Cody and Randy and and you know, a bunch of the other guys, and he was in that mix of young studs you know that were there, were out there, and and to your point, when he was when he left it like he left the business in the rear view mirror and just moved on, you know, moved on with his life and whatever he was doing up until this point. But now we find out what he's doing was no Buenos. Yeah, allegedly, but allegedly, but it has had a lot of attention and now it's all coming down. So unfortunate thing. And I think I appreciate how you started it off by saying this, this has no reflection or really nothing to do with the wrestling the wrestling industry, because the wrestling industry in particular seems to fit. I have a when any sort of negative thing happens with somebody associated with it, it's directly connected to it. And this is another instance of that. You don't want to this is not a knock on professional wrestling, right, So I'm glad you said that. Yeah, Well, as you know, and we talk about it, I have a few interesting cases where it involves former wrestlers. And the first thing I say this is not a wrestling thing. This is a this is a human being thing, This is a civilian things. It's not a reflect on the business, you know. So I think it's important to let people know that that there's so much good going on and when when something like this happens, it just puts a black cloud over the whole industry. Yeah, we leave in the We leave in the review mirror the fact that WrestleMania did so much for the city it was in all. That's all that's gone out. Okay, so let's just go into the hard hitting question. Next from Winter Hail comments on Jeff Hardy's return. Okay, so he did you see his return? Yeah? Yeah, I did. It basically came out for the save involved with his brother. Yeah. I was. To be honest, I was shocked when I heard the music. Yeah, I was shocked because the first thing that goes to my mind. And so everybody knows where we stand on this, and I say we, I'm gonna say me. I don't want to speak for you, but again, this has nothing to do with wrestling. What I'm about to say, Like, Jeff has had a battle, He's it's publicly known he's battled with addiction. He's battled with drinking and driving. So here in Florida he got arrested for his third d Y in under ten years. Well, that's punishable, mandatory by a jail sentence. Whatever happened, however, it worked out in Voluitia County. Whatever was done, he pled guilty to the charges without pleading guilty to being drunk and driving, which they have the video of him driving drunk and all these things. So they struck a deal. He's got to do X amount of hours of community service, pay thousands of dollars wherever the case is. His license has gone. So I'm thinking to myself, here he is back on the road again. I think it'd be nice for someone who's the head of a company to say, we know the struggles he's had, we think he's good, we believe in him, and here's what we're doing to make sure he's not driving or anything else. Like I want to know, does he have a driver or is he renting cars again without a license and driving all over the country. I'm gonna put someone in danger. So I don't look at as a wrestling thing. I look at as a protection thing. As a wrest I can't even say he's a wrestling fan. I was glad to see him because I'm so invested in upset with the personal wife, the public story that I was. I was more I was more upset with the return than anything else. If that makes sense. Oh no, it makes sense, And I understand why you would be. I think that I sure hope because he actually before his end of data either he had the they were assuming he had been participating in those extra curricular activities anyway, even when he did not test positive that he was. So I just hope that, you know, he does get the help that he needs because and I'll talk about the wrestling side of it. We want to fight Hall of Famer. I think he's probably inspired a lot of people that are in wrestling today. And I will say one thing about his return to me, like, let's just talk wrestling. We'll put all that aside. I don't like the fact that he just jumps in on the storyline with a Hearty Boy. I don't need a Hearty Boys reunion. This guy's a They could get a main event run out of this guy if if he keeps his ship straight, they could get a main event run out of this guy. I'm not saying he's gonna win the title, but they're lacking main event stars and he could. They could get a couple of months, a couple of pay per views out of this guy, and they throw him right back into the Hardy Boys, saying an irrelevant and multifaction storyline. Yea on the wrestling end of it. I did not like that. I agree with that because I think one they I personally don't feel that Ma's gotten his due. You know, Matt's been in different factions and all these things, and I don't know if there's indraser. Yeah, you know, all these things that come into play, But now here comes Jeff again. You put them back. Now they're together again, So it's that stop and start thing that always happens. I will go back and say this will be a black mark on the wrestling industry if indeed something there's another fallout with Jeff, because now you have to blame the owner of that company and the people around him that are allowing this to happen. That part, I will say, we'll put a deserved black mark on this industry. But to your point of I would have liked to see him do something more or different than that's because that was the same way he was introduced the first time. So you know, we're groundhops day, so here we're introduced again. Where's it gonna go? Right, So it's it's kind of like the j White thing. If I could drift for a minute, here's this big oh, this big signing, and now he's just another guy and Adam Cole, Adam Cole up and down the line, go an go anywhere you want. Um. Well, Jeff Hardy's arguably the biggest name on there. I think you could say Chris Jericho. Yeah, who else would be bigger in the history aspect of wrestling there. So it's it's what they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh So we have a lot of different questions. I'm gonna jump in order here to kind of keep on track with the aw thing. Okay, so I don't want to lose track here. But Gareth on Twitter asked Bill it now appears a cmpolk will be returning to a w word online. Is that there's been communicated, This has been communicated to the television network. What do you think about the new twist on things? And I'll explain this here and I'm going to paraphrase a no DQ article. It's basically saying, and they got it from the Wrestline Observer of course, that the elite the punk want to apologize the elite. The elite don't want to work with cmpunk, and the most reasonable outcome they can see is probably like a Punk versus Jericho. And let's go ahead and tie in another question that we have bill from the let's see who said this. I didn't get the name. I'm so freaking sorry. But the AW show on Saturday they're talking about, so they fillowed rights to AW collision. They're talking about a show on Saturday evening on one of the networks. And does this tie in with that? Is there a brand excuse me split where CM punk doesn't go near these guys and what do you think about that him coming back and not working with the elite. I'll give you. I'll let you have the floor here first. So so many things to touch on. One. When someone says they heard, that means they read right. So they're reading the internet, they're reading the stories paraphrase that. Yeah, let me say that they didn't say I heard, but right, it's it's coming from Dave Meltzer's news Land obviously most things evolving the elite, and it's so it's to me, it's speculation. Still, I would not be surprised if Aw's putting out a lot of this stuff to meltzer and stuff, because it draws attention, right, it keeps people listen. I was part of a company where they let certain things leak to people to keep them happy, so they could keep the important stuff out of the news and the spotlight. So I wouldn't I wouldn't even put it past anybody. And I'm not saying that bad way that they leaked some stuff. Hey, we're talking to punk and all this. But let's touch on the brand split. You already have a brand split because you have a ring of honor. Now you're gonna do a brand split. But everybody knows, I think in this industry, even with a brand split and your biggest shows, all sides work together on the same show. So you're a Friday they already have a Friday show, but it's not very good, right, So you're adding another show. And usually when you add another show, it's because your roster is so big and you need those other ones to get work. It just seems like they're adding another show, and the same people that are working anywhere are gonna be on those shows as well, just like The after Dark and all the all the other stuff. I mean, there's some opportunities, but nobody's getting the rub off these other shows. But you're gonna start and say, Okay, he's just gonna stay. Let's say it's Punk, and let's say he's coming in and just gonna be on a brand splitt and just work on that side. Then you're never gonna get Marquee matches. You're never gonna get the people are never gonna get what they want, and they're gonna grow sour on the brand. And how does someone whether it's Punk, whether it's Taker, whether it's Hunter, whether it's Bruno, Sam Martino, whether it's Andrea the Giant, how does someone get to say I'll come back, but I'm not doing this and not working with these guys. Well, that's not best for business. And that's the thing that I really feel like has left the AEW brand where it was about this certain way of doing business and everybody doing this thing. But now now the inmates are running the asylum and this one doesn't want to work with this one, and this one, Well, then it's not best for business. You're only going to get the matches that they'll be willing to do, right, So people are always gonna want, want, want, and whether they don't get the matches they expect or they think are going to be delivered, they're gonna get sour on the brand. So I don't think adding another another show is the answer. And if you're gonna bring them back, bring him back to that roster, or figure out what you're gonna do, like I think it was Eric Bischoff said, just pay him off and be done with it. Because if if if listening to Eric and people that talk about it, now that's why I say I listen because I'm listening to what they're saying, not reading it. They're talking about punks owed a lot of money. He's still under contract for a lot of money. But do you you know, to quote Dusty Rhodes, do you fish or cut bait? Cut bait, cut your losses, leave the negative apart because if you start telling in my opinion only, but if you start having people say who they will and won't work with, and what they will and won't do, and what shows they will and won't be on everybody go back and watch the history of WCW. That's all I have to say. Good point. We talked about this last week to an extent, Bill with You had thrown out there that the only condition you could see it working was if a one off one we know, see him punk wants he's got to want one. He's got to want some more moments or a moment or something not go out like that. We think, I don't know if he cares. I don't. But and then the other side of it, you just you're worried about how do you move forward? Yeah, And I think my thing is, I'm not sure AW has ever been handled as a business. It doesn't appear like it has. I'm just I'm being critical. But I don't get that feeling very often. Bill, you have you keep announcing these these shows, these television the television product means you're in business. If you're just touring the country and doing these things and and going on YouTube, Okay, then I could see it's not to your point, it's not necessarily a business. It's like it's a company. It's a group of men and women that are doing their thing and YadA, YadA, YadA. But they gotta start treating if they want longevity and they want to do things to right. And again my opinion, only they have to start treating this for more than what it was supposed to be. And because to me, it's just a place where everybody can go and do what they want. There's still no rhyme or reason to a lot out of this stuff. And and so as there's a lot of people said at home getting paid, you think about RUSEV, you think about on, you think about Charlotte Flayer's says. I mean, there's there's some several people that are probably making pretty good money seeing that they just said no, they didn't like the direction, they didn't like creative, and they're just on a vacation getting paid. And part of me, as like like a side note, part of me goes, man, I wish I would have had that kind of huts buff and been able to get paid. But that's why I say, there's the wrestling, uh pro wrestling sports entertainment business, and then there's men and women who were wrestling and I but if you want to treat it like a business, have become a legitimate mainstay in this industry. I just think it has to be done a little differently. But going back, you know the whole thing with Punk, I believe there's something to say in a one off at Wimbley like we talked about. And again, listen, Jericho is a pro through and through, whether he likes you, doesn't like you, doesn't get along with you. But you know Punk didn't have nice things to say about Jericho either, So how I'm gonna guarantee that everybody's gonna be on the same page here. So are you surprised that the word on the street is that Jericho thing would be more likely? You're obviously a big fan of Chris Jericho. I'm not surprised by it because of all the and it's not a knock on anybody else that we're gonna talk about. Chris is of the mindset if we can make money, screw it. I don't have to break bread with you. I don't have to you know, fly with you. I don't have to have dinner. We don't have to you know, heal a room together, or drive together, anything like that. But let's do business. I think that's the smart bet. If they're gonna do it, that's the guy that will get through it. That way, and I'm talking about Jericho. I'll say one thing I share as hell hope if this tag team match that's been thrown out there at the FDR see him punk or as hell hope they didn't resign them tagged. I'd like to see them get back in w W. No, they signed, right, they signed. It's been officially said, Yeah, damn it. Yeah, I was kind of I gonna do. But I think he was Dax Hardwood who said part of their decision was because of VKM back and control them back in the mix, because I get Vince wasn't I guess a big fan to begin with, and they you know, I've heard Art would say that he didn't feel that Hunter was a big fan. So I think the opportunity they felt wasn't there because of you know, the new regime and everything that's going on. We hear a lot of that. One other thing that's kind of come out this week, Bill and it kind of related to this. I don't want to mess up here, but there was word on the street that Discovery Warner interested in WWE. Uh Darien appearance on the SI Media with Jimmy Toronto podcasts. I'm sorry if I butchered that author Order podcast host James Andrew Miller discussed WWE's upcoming television rights negotiations. Muller was asked about Warner rose Discovery possibly having interest into aw programming. He said, I think so. I wouldn't be surprised, despite the fact that money is such an issue for them, I wouldn't be surprised if Warner Brothers Discovery would it like a slice of that WWE pie. When asked about AW programming and potentially being affected if they did work with w Miller responded, I don't know, but I know there are people at Warner Brothers who are very interested in WWE. I don't know what this gentleman's significance is, but with in relation to Warner Brothers Discovery, But what do you think about that? I think he came out and said without saying it, that if they go into business with WWE, aw's in trouble. I mean, there's there's your to me, there's your money. But I think it's interesting that all these and this is what was said in this merger of these companies and everything. Endeavor said, this is going to open doors for more TV rights and more, you know, more things and a bigger if it's possible to understand a larger audience than WW already has. So I don't think it's impossible. And if history is a is a measuring tool. They don't usually talk about this stuff unless there's already talks in the works. You know, they don't come out and give like a teaser. Hey, imagine if this happened. No, they're kind of saying, like, these people are really interested and invested in what we're doing, and this is a possibility. Has you heard of this? Because? Okay? James Andrew Miller is an American investigative journalist. He's worked at The Washington Post. He has also been Executive VP of Original Programming for USA Network. He's not a wrestling dirt sheet writer. He's a journalist. So did you hear the story before I brought it up to you? I think I think I saw something where Nick Cohn had actually done an interview or a brief press junket or something about this. I didn't hear everything that you you had read, but I knew there was something with Warner, uh, you know, being proposed. So I think to your point this this reporter has a legitimate background and following in the news, not in the business. So I think it's the same thing as when you know, the Wall Street Journal was reporting about vas. You're not getting those reports on the whim. There's there's there's got to be a little bit of a skin in the game here. And I think it's definitely a possibility, uh coming up that there's gonna be there's gonna be those talks. Yeah. And I know that obviously Warner Brothers Discoveries had this whole HBO thing going on forever, all these mergers and different things. They talk about money possibly being an issue. A bit of the's asking price is definitely going to be high because of all the other things that we talk about a lot of different podcasters and dirt sheet writers like talk about the ratings, the ratings and ratings and like we talked about last week. Are you accounting for the record setting consuming of the product on social media? This product is being consumed more than just television ratings. Yeah. Yeah, so we're, in my opinion, we're beyond that to an extent television ratings. Yeah, or beyond that to someone someone who says, m oh, they only did a point eight or you know, a one point two hooked a one point two isn't even touching. What they're doing on YouTube isn't even touching now now, And I don't know if I'm jumping ahead of things, but now that they said that that WWE characters, performers, wrestlers can go back on Twitch, there's no telling the numbers that are coming off of their so ratings to me, absolutely nothing anymore. It's the buy rates, it's the Listen. We talked about how WrestleMania the numbers across every platform or just off the chain, and I think that's what's enticing companies to get involved because they want to broaden their audience the same way, because broadening your audience means longevity. When we talk key demo, when we're talking about these television ratings, I think we probably are missing a huge mark on who the demo of consuming the hundreds of millions on like YouTube, social media for example, are yeah, that might not be people of your age, bill that might be or it'll be some yeah. So I think when we talk about that and we look at the TV ratings and we associated with the older crowd, I'm not sure that's always the case. It's either kids or the older crowd, right, I mean, I think it's availability is so far out there now that it's probably things we don't even realize. And I'll say that I don't personally own cable or satellite anymore. I should stream everything. Yeah, I think that's pretty common. And a lot of people that are younger than myself just watch stuff on YouTube. I mean that's like they have maybe Netflix and like YouTube, and that's what they do bill like I have YouTube TV at least, right, Yeah, they don't even like most people all these days, I know, don't even have something like that. He my son doesn't even know how to work the TV. He used the TV for those apps and he goes on YouTube or he goes on you know, what are the other apps for sports or but he doesn't watch TV. And because he knows he doesn't have to like be a have to watch Channel two or channel he knows he can go look it up anytime he wants, he can backtrack as far back as he wants, and he knows there's going to be more content coming up. So to your point, I don't think the demographic is old guys like me, because we were still TV people, you know, but well, but to my point, like I could miss and then go back and catch up and not miss a beat. I think, you know, but that's a whole different We can go down in that rabbit hole another time. That's what's hurt the pro wrestling aspect of it. But yes, sports entertainment, you don't need that. You don't need to have cable TV, or you can just stream it. And I think that's what those companies are, Warner and all these companies, that's what they're that's what their future is. So there, I think they're gonna I think they're gonna be heavily involved coming up. I'm a side note. I'm obviously involved a little bit in the podcasting industry, and there is a big argument between the old guard and new content creators of what actually has a podcast. Right by definition, it needs to have an RSS feed. YouTube is not a podcast to me, it doesn't matter. It's what the consumer considers a pot. It doesn't matter what it's called. It's what the consumers consuming that matters. And I think this is the case with YouTube. I mean, call out whatever you want, it's not really TV ratings. We like to talk about how the TV ratings aren't what they were during the Monday Night Wars. Right, But was there millions of views being consumed on other platforms? No? No, Twitter wasn't a thing YouTube, Wasn't it that if you take a quarter of the consumption of the social media weekly, it's blowing the seven million viewers each show out of the water. Yes. And I think that the television people that are negotiating and trying to get WWE on their network, this is considered with it billy hoping maybe that it draws more towards their brand consumption, whether it be on the network or not. You they can make money of various different ways from having rights to content. It's You're absolutely right, it's all old different. It's a whole different ball game. And I'll say this, I don't think Endeavor just jumped into this willy nilly with Vince. I know this has been a lot of the conversation because we've heard about the TV rights before the sale, so this is a huge part of it. And and that and I think it's just that the the evolution of what you know, what wrestling is and what it's turned into. And I think it goes back to when Vince said, I run an entertainment company. You think it's the appeal of live entertainment, A lot of it. I think so. I think it's a very you know, very physical, certain interactive entertainment. Yeah, you can be you can be part of it. And and and what makes this business different everybody else because you can't interact with circus Ola, you can't interact with you know, these these great plays show. Much as I love watching Judge Judy every year, you can't interact, you can't interact with it. But here you can interact, and they interact with you on social media, on these platforms or on all these things. So the sky's the limit with it, you know. Yeah, No, I think Bill, you were kind of talking about that and we kind of segued into that perfect there. I'm curious see how this all plays out. I just have a hard time thinking that like a Fox or you know, an NBC and and all this major Disney or what it let that go. I mean, I think that's something they'll go for. Like I said, I don't think you compare television ratings these days, I don't exactly. I know we saw reports that Fox was disappointed with the performance of SmackDown we'll also signed that contract. Then boom COVID happened. So it's hard to really yeah, you know, compared too much with anything that's historically going to happen during this time period. But nevertheless, I think you're right. If this did happen, it might be trouble for a W. Let's talk about some other things a W could do, and I don't know if they could or couldn't television for Ring of Honor. If we do somehow have this Saturday two hours show in the evening, do we try to get a Ring of Honor or something on a Friday, because I don't know what the Friday show bill is just it's worse than Sunday night heat. I'm trying. I don't I don't particularly know all the logistics of why they want another show and why they want to do Saturday night. Can you catch me up on that. Do you have something about that? Because I all I heard was they're considering or they're doing another show. But it goes back to what we're talking about in the front end of it. If it's going to be the same people on every show, why am I watching it? Well? I will say one thing I think it's the appeal of more television, but they certainly have a lot of talent that's not being used. Yeah, so how do you use that appropriately? Could you do a brand split at this point in time, I'm not I don't know. The creativity would have to be. I'm not trying to knock Tony Cohn's booking. I don't think he's booker of the year, and I would be concerned and at present state, what would be booked on multiple television shows, let alone adding another. I just I don't think the one hour on Friday's good, and I really struggle with the storylines on Wednesday. As much as I like some of the action, I really struggle with some of the entertainment aspect of it outside of the actual wrestling skill set. I don't know, Bill, but they have a lot of people they could utilize. I'm not gonna say they don't end you set ring of honor? What do you what's the pill to that? Could that even be on a stage like that? And why does it have to be ring of honor? Yeah, I mean you bought it, you own it, so you don't have to keep a ring of honor. But that's what he's done, He's already have that brand's already there. My biggest fear is they get another show on Saturday Night. How many more championships are they in the half? They have a ridiculous amount of championships being defended on every show by the same people. So what are you doing for this show now? Is there gonna be another championship? And there's gonna be and when does it become? This group is here, this group is here, this group is here. He has a he has a talent cool that's unbelievable, and yet other than the moves and the action, it's not compelling old school way of thinking about professional wrestling. To your point, you can't follow a storyline because there are no storylines that you know. It's it's kind of and I think they blow through the storylines they do have, you know, I think the only one that stay that I can think of is when they did Danielson and um mjf Right. Every week he had to beat someone, so at least it kind of died in and he now turned out a tvny and he's all mister nice guy hugging Sammy Gabar. So I'm I'm not sure if they stay with it and to your portant. I just don't know if Tony is going to let other people get involved in the creative process or is it just gonna be Okay, let's let's do this today, and let's do this Saturday, and let's do this Saturday after Wunk good. I'm sorry you think if a cmpunk comes into scene on a Saturday show he can outperform the ratings of a Dynamite. I'll be honest, I'm not really big into the Saturday night television scene ever since my grandma made me watch watch Doctor Quinn, Medicine Woman and Walker Texas Ranger and Shaved by the Bell on Saturday nights forever ago. I don't know what how many people are watching on Saturday night. But do you think Shampunk could make that himself himself, make that a competitive show as far as in comparison to Dynamite in the initial jump, Yes, I think if he if he did that on Rampage, right, I mean on the Yeah. So if he does come back, if and when he does come back and it's on a Saturday night show, I think that show blow up really quick. But then what do you do when you won't have people that work with him, or he won't work with other people. So after the like, what's the big pool of him coming in? He can't he can't fight with FDR because according to everybody else, that's the only friends he has. You know what I mean? So what do you what does it mean for everybody? So I think, yes, he'll draw big. You hear all these other reports from people too, that how helpful he was, Bill, Like you hear these other reports, how helpful he was. It's not just FTR, it's just they seem to be the ones that are only ones that are willing to be vocal about it. I don't know if there's some worry saying too much, but obviously Dax has not been afraid to do that. Did you hear that he closed down his podcast? Yeah? I saw that. You know why because of what we told we were talking about this last week, the backlash he was getting because of the perception that he was being negative. The man's giving his opinion, the man's giving his take on everything. But because he started getting negativity, and to his point, I think I read I don't think I know. I read this where he said he doesn't want his daughter growing up and seeing this stuff in the news where it's negative and you know, talking about about her dad and all these other things and giving her the perception, you know, of negativity. And he's absolutely right. But this is the business we're in. So the fact that he closed it down, I'm I say, hats off to him, cut cut ties, and it's not it's not worth it your sanity, it's not worth your love of the industry you're in. And it takes away from me because once you have to start worried about that stuff, it's not it's not fun anymore, and it's not useful to anybody. So I think it's I think it's crappy that that came to a point where he felt like, let's just hang this up because it's not worth the the the the headache, you know. But um, yeah, I've heard a lot of people defend Phil, and like I said, I have nothing against Phil any any encounters. I've always been positive in everything. But you know, you go by what was said at that medias from and how things played out, and apparently as largers one or two, or three or four that are higher ups in the company to feel that way, it's going to be a tough road. I often concerned that they're worried about somebody that might get more attention than them. I think, And do you have experience with a booker, let's just say a book or even though they're not booking or executive, being in the action and how that impacts you. Always hear like Dusty Rhodes was able to pull this off, right because these Dusty Rhodes. But these guys have a conflict of interest to an extent. Yeah, I think I believe you. And I talked about this in one episode, Like all the time when bookers like that's always saying if I ever get the book, I won't be involved. But everybody is involved, everybody for whatever. They're not bookers, but come on their vps. They got there. They are allowed to go out there and do there anything they want to do, Yes, and they answer to themselves. But it's like, and I'll use this as a as a current thing, Jeff Jarrett being signed on in an executive role right in what he's doing. But yet he's on TV and he's one of the main characters, so you have to where's the line. Don't get me wrong, Jeff is out there because he does it better than more than half the roster they have. But that's not the point. You're either you're either this person or you're that person. I think there's a big and that's where a lot of animosity gets drawn when your boss is now the guy gets attention, or the people in charge have a longer segment, a bigger segment, a better segment, more opportunities, a bigger contract, two contracts, one for EVP and one for talent. You know, it's it's interesting. Yeah, I know, I agree. And what segue to the Twitch comment that you made. So previously there were some different wrestlers making pretty good money on the side on Twitch. I know aj styles, there's some gaming stuff, A couple of the female wrestlers had quite a did pretty well on there. And you're telling me that that's back. Now, what are your feelings on all this? Why was it gun in the first place? My feeling is what they were this kind of time is this time with Dax Harwood. So when you are with it, okay, you're doing a podcasts, when you are signed by somebody, you're at an employment of somebody. You often see like JR is the exception, right because him and Conrad Thompson. I don't know. If you listen to Girl and Jr. Ever, they're not talking like they'll talk about something cool that happened on current events, but they're really deep diving into this stuff from a fan standpoint, which is great, but would you have like a Dax Harwood. It's hard to pull that off if it's not being maintained by the company. An example would be Corey graves podcast completely dictated by WWE completely. He does say some things that are true and he's allowed to have some leeway, but ultimately it's completely dictated by WWE. And this is hard for like a Dack's Hardwood to get if he even do something like that. And this ties in with the Twitch thing as well. Yep, if you listen, they found a way. And it all goes back to Zach Ryder many many moons ago. Now who did who had? They had nothing for him, So instead of sitting home playing uh, you know what is it Commando Raid or whatever the heck it's called, he started a YouTube thing, which was the instigator for all this YouTube business. Well, then everybody feel okay he did that. So he had Xavier Woods, who's a gamer. You know, deal with gain people and all. And so this one five and then this one. Well it's not about games. That can do videos, or I can do conversations, or I can do all these other things. And now we have a bunch of the women who have the fan page thing did you have to subscribe to? And in the WWE they own the rights to you, they have the intellectual property. So now you're making money, they're not getting a cut of it using their name they gave you. Yeah, right, so let's use her formerly known as page. She was off the road for all those years, and she was making bank on Twitch and all this stuff. So Selina Vega, we always hurt. Mandy Rose was making more money on the fan I don't know what the website. It wasn't only fans, but she was making more money on a fans thing than she was on her yeah contract bill, And so that was the thing, Well, why are you putting all this time into that and not what we're doing. Well, if I'm not doing anything with you, at least I'm being creative keeping my brand alive. I think that's where this generation is so much smarter than we were in they before us, because we all knew we had a brand, but these kids are branding themselves. They're setting themselves up for life after this business in some way, shape or form, and that interferes with WWE's trying to do because they can get merchandise from these people on their Twitch sites and on these things. So now they feel like, you know, goes back to stealing from Peter to pay Paul, and they said, you can't. You can't make money while we're paying. While we're paying. But now since the company sold and everybody's in the kumbaya, okay, And I think, well, I read a little bit of what I said. Twitch struck a deal with the WWE characters and personality, so they there's money to be made, but I'm sure that deal includes kickbacks to the WWE. They oh, yeah, for sure. They also change what is the name of the company, so they've basically changed the landscape of fan autographs too. They don't hear the name of the company, but that's outsourced now and it's it's really changed the how they want there from. So we hear from the wrestlers in WWE, the employees there about how w W wants to approach them signing autographs. So it seems like there's a fine line really on what you can try to dictate and not with a company like ww because AW has this to me, it has this indie feeling and that's actually probably what made it okay. But when you stripped away the indie feeling and you tried to make it more official, it's it's it's it's hard for me because I start realizing things like the storylines and the lack of control. It seems from a management standpoint, it's easy for me to say I'm not there. I get the but WWE seems to be in everything that there that their employees are doing, so like to what extent I certainly couldn't have my one of my employments. I had to be careful what I'm doing also on the side or for a local podcast network, for a media company media network. I certainly can't go get involved in another media network. I've signed a non compete stuff like that. So there's like a fine line, and I think on what you control as far as what your people are doing. But to be fair, they do have the platform also on WWE to elevate their popularity and brand. Yeah, yeah, and then that's the thing right, So it's a double edged sword. The other part of it is, I don't think you should have saying what you can and cannot do as long as it doesn't interfere with what you're being paid for by that company. So either make them they work for that company, but as long as that independent contractor thing is held over their heads. This generation has found the loophole because if I'm an independent contractor, you can't tell me what to do. I come and do my job for you when you pay me. So you know, these people that were out injured or whatever the case was, and they started making twice their downside, then they didn't care if they came back or not. Okay, I'm still not there. Okay, I'm making I'm doing my thing. And then the other side is why are they more creative on those platforms than the stuff that WWE is supposedly given them. So I think there's a lot of different ways to look at it. To me, the bottom line to your point is if you're and we'll use you as the example, right, you signed a non compete clause and all these things, but you're an employee of that company. You work for that company specific I get to be on television because on this company. Yeah yeah, so contractors. My clumber is an independent contractor. Means if someone has another job for him, if he's not working for me, he goes and does that right as long as it done in if you're with the job he's doing for me, there's no beef. So either they're gonna have to And I think that's what's starting to happen with this Twitch deal. If it goes the way they said, I'm sure Ww's getting a kickback for every one of his people, you know that's on that platform. But at their point, it's I feel like WW going, Hey, you guys won We'll let you do Twitch. But here's how it's gonna go. You know. It's just like certain people don't run their own Twitter accounts or whatever else. So my whole thing is if we have then we'll take talk about the women for its quick second. There's there's women that are on Instagram and all these platforms putting out just as racy pictures as Mandy Rose did. What I think that's I don't know if that's one of them hills. Is that the one you're gonna fight on or what? It can't be both ways like, if you don't want me to do it, make me your guy. I'm gonna end it with this because we've beat this with the dead horse. Remember remember when they brought in Sincara. Yeah, and then the guy his name out, he went it didn't work out, and guess who had the name damn. And it's like that he lost it all man and Nako became Sinkara overnight, and they never acknowledged it. This guy because he sailt the brand of it. Yep, they all smarted him. There didn't that. I was there for the whole thing. How did that? How did it? What was like? People? What were people saying about that? Because this guy's obviously Sinkara, He's he's built the brand of Sinkara. He comes in as Sinkara, and that he goes out without Sinkara. The guys in the bat everybody in the back who's involved, going, are we all supposed to just act like this isn't like even the commentaries like what what do we like? We know the difference, there's a there was a physical dollar yeah, and there was a physical difference. Forget the tattoos. There was a physical difference height, size, everything. But they owned it. They got him to sign over the IP and they owned it. And I prove the point of Okay, you're not here, guess what you're on TV. And the next night, gosh, I'm just glad in aj Styles or a sampug didn't like they're all victims to that smart but what are they? They're smart business men and so that's what we're thought about. Aw, they've got to start doing business here. They have to start doing business if they want to compete in the television networks and get their business other than to making these great listen and to your point, it went from an indie feel to now, if it's supposed to be bigger and better, you're expecting more from it. Give me some storylines, give me some continuity. Otherwise it's that indie feel. And just like every great indie, you're gonna go somewhere once or twice a year and you're gonna sell out because they don't get to see you as often. But now they're seeing three and four nights on TV. So who you know, who's gonna how long are they gonna keep going for that? You know, let's end this. See if they discussion with the last question here and this is from our friend Bob Orton's cast at Gmail. Love it. What are your thoughts on the recent news about Bill Goldberg? So let's touch up on that a little bit. So it was actually been reported a few weeks ago that Bill Goldberg and AW possibly could be connecting and hooking up to the deal. There's also been news that Bill Goldberg is not against going on a world tour per se. And then Bill Goldberg even made the comment over the last week that I think he was on I'll get it. I'll get the source here. This is a no DQ article ninety three point seven The Cricket. He commented on the future, his future and wrestling now that his WD contract expired. He basically brings up that Vis mcmanahim had a handshake understanding that after the Roal Moraines match he would have a proper retirement match that didn't happen. You could tell he's visibly or just like I guess the audio, but you can tell he's frustrated with that, and he says, like, my wrestauring career is my future. What do you think about Bill Goldberg? And we talk about Bill Golber all the time. Eventually, Bill Goldberg is not going to wrestle anymore. Would you like to see it and in WW? Would you like to see it a W we talked about edge last week, or would you like to see Bill Goldberg go to Japan go on a little world tour? What do you think? So he goes back to Bill's a good businessman. Bill understands his brand and his worth and he lives and dies by that. I don't see Bill going to a e W because I don't believe and this again this build them out talking, and this is build them out's opinion. Only I don't believe that Bill would like the structure behind the scenes or how it goes in a e W. Bill has been used to two ways of doing things w c w's way and then ww's way. And I don't think Bill's into a lot of that herky jerky stuff. And I think if there's if there's um a little bit of insecurity and unknown backstage, I think that would make him very uptight. That's just my personal opinion. I wouldn't want to see him go to e W either, because then it would have to be one and out, because I just don't believe he'd at the time and resources to do what he did in WWE, and then I agree and to follow up what was his last match on WWE. I don't know if it was that match he's talking about or not. I really don't. I can't remember. He's been brought back three or four times. I don't know. Like, if I were Bill, I'd go on the world Tour. Every put mood in the world would book him. He'd be great in Japan for X amount of time, He'd be great in Europe for X amount of time, go to Australia, go to all these places and and just really blow it up and enjoy what you're doing. But I think to get involved with a w I think it wouldn't be enjoyable. And this who knows what the scheduling would be, And I don't know. He feels like he was told that he would have one last match to leave on a good note with the company, and if that was promised to him, that may have gone out the window on the merger, because it's not It's very easy to say, hey, it's out of my control now, you know. Yeah, lots happen in the company, Yeah, I think, you know. I feel like if he has promised that one and he really wants to do it, do it. But I'd go on the world tour. That's where his money's going to be, I think, And I think he'd go out there and actually do some stuff that he wants to do with less parameters and really have some fun with it and let these people get to know Bill Gull you know, I mean you could, Okay, I could argue two points to that. I don't know if Bill Goldberg has it ended to go have a bunch of matches all around the world. And let's think about the reverse side of what you just said, the money side. You really think it compares so the rumors and stuff we've heard about what he got for going to Saudi Arabia, I meaning, goes on Arabia one more time and never wrestle again with WWE. He did. You'd think about them them, them wanting him there and others there in that over seven figures together, it's a soul show. You gotta remember w W did bay it. That wasn't WWE's checkbook, that was Saudi Arabia's checkbook. Same when they brought yes Yes. So I'd like to see him leave on a on a good note with the company, no matter what that is, that's I think that's I would. I would appreciate that. As a fan of the business. I think it'd be a good way to uh part ways if you will, or whatever it is. I'd like to see it end amicably, but I would. I think Bill would do great on a world tour. But he get to bring his family with him, and his son could see him interact more than what he's seen and and really, if that's what you're looking for for that closure and that feel good stuff, I think the world tour would be best suited for him. I don't think. I don't. I don't think any us from Bill for a lot of people, I don't think it's a fit. But I don't think Bill has a lot of frustration historically with with Shenanigans from WCW. Yes, I can't. Yeah goldberga in the Young Bucks, Yeah, yeah. But if there's a business to be done and the price is right, I assume you would. But I do think that I see what you're saying about the world tour side. You bring in the father of the family aspect of it. If done right, though, he could have one more match to byb Yeah, if done right, But to ww's point, the time has to be right. Yeah, and that time might not mean I can't think of it being right now. But they've brought him back so much randomly. There was the Drew McIntyre thing where it made no sense, so why he had heat with Drew McIntyre. Drew McIntyre was a baby face. He said he's being disrespectful. It was just weird. Then he's had to SiGe Arabia pop in. He pops in as needed. So I think it would have to be the right moment, and I sure hope. Ultimately, I think it would be best if it did end there. I'm not saying he can't have the World Tour, but if they had a scenario where it ended there, I think that would be best. And I think that goes across the board with an edge. Yes, I just don't see him going there and even being able to replicate what Jericho has agreed. I think Jericho is a little bit more loose creatively. It makes it like that, but I don't know. I just have a hard time saying that. At this point in my career, I would want to go into aw But then again, I see Sting doing that, and it just makes me sad that we didn't get to see that. Either that WrestleMania match wasn't the last or we didn't get one more like like Sting under Taker sing Somebody One more moment was Sting since they extended it past the WrestleMania he got beat. Now you just see him every week and it's like, man, I'm glad you're getting paid, Sting, but where's the big finale at foot? I thought I really got excited to think he was gonna end his career in WWE and we were gonna really get to see some classic stuff and some new stuff. I think he thought so too, yes, and the way it ended, and that was the thing when he like that was a great get by Tony Kahan. When you got Sting and you sat down him and you you know, because you have to lay it out in front of Steve, He's not gonna just go okl Russell, you know, so you had to give him a game plan here. So when they got him, I thought it was really good. And now it's just it's Sting. I love to see him do whatever he does. I love litten to him talk. I thought he was great with MGF the other night. Yea, but it's I wanted I really I was one of those guys as a fan and part of the company. I really wanted to see him get a good, good run in w W. E be an armchair quarterback here in saying talking about the way things could have been, imagine if he would have gotten WB five years earlier, even they did. I know he went out with the injury with raw I mean that, you know, with the power bomb into the buckwell. Yeah, but five years before that, even if if Stein could have got there led along ten years, fifteen years, but even five years before, I think you could have had a lot more classic matches with him. And it's and I give it. I give it in props as far as sticking to his guns on what he wants to do. I don't know how he held out so long. He must not have been comfortable. I don't know him personally like you do. You could probably speak to that more. But he waited out originally went to t NA. Yeah, then he waited it out again. I think five more years though man earlier he would have an actually the undertaker. He could have done a lot of different things. Sting came out himself, right, he said there was some I don't want to I'm not quoting him, Sodona, but there was trust issues if he went there and if it would be you know, and and to your point, you have to hats off to him for sticking to his beliefs and everything. And at the time in those years too, he was he had a lot more time to spend watching his son play ball because his son became an NFL football player, you know, so all these things that he couldn't do, you know, so his personal his personal life, his family life, you know, his um, his belief system, you know, it all had to tie in for him. And that's why I say hats off to him for doing that. But look at his resume to where he got to that point, to where they still had to have him come in, you know. And and that's the thing that I think all these kids should really you got to build that resume and and do those things. So Sting's another one. I would have liked to see him come over earlier and end his career there, but I'm always happy to see him and I think, um, he's in, He's in the place he wants to be in and he comes out and gets a little physical when he wants to, and as long as he's still having fun and joining it. But I think it's the opposite for Bill. I think I don't think Bill would would Gell like that. You could put Sting in any locker room and it would work any company and he would be welcome. And I'm not saying you can't do that with Bill. I just think the tolerance levels different. I could see him getting frustrated now even Yeah, big time cool, great discussion on this episode, Man, those are some good questions and good topics brought up. Yeah, there's a lot to be unanswered and there's a lot, Like you said, the landscape of wrestling is exciting. This is the stuff that's fun to talk about. Speculation, whether it be Sam having another match, whether it be new television deals, why channel could we see these people on, or just different creative directions like we talked about. So Bill, this has been an awesome episode, man, what do you think? Yeah, great episode and I'm always a fan of like we talked about, Like, we talked a lot of wrestling and a lot of people, but we didn't talk negatively, and we weren't putting down the you know, the the bit, and we weren't giving you hot scoops, and you know, these these blurs we're talking about, you know, like you said, analyzing it from a different perspective. And I like this these questions and when we do these episodes like this, because it's good to talk wrestling with people because your perception and my perception is different than the person asking the question. At the end of the day, we're almost still talking about the same thing, and that's the common denominator. So I enjoyed this episode a lot. I like these questions. And please, when you're listening to sir watching it and what you're doing, follow me and say Bill, it's me from your podcast, because I'll find your name. Vince's mustache. I'm gonna find you when he figures out how to work the Twitter machine, he will find you Vince's mustache. I do want to say on a note, I don't hate I get so much crap from a w fans and I can see where it comes across, like I'm I want aw you to exist. Let me out there. I think it's good for the wrestling industry. I just wanted to exist more legitimately, and that's just my opinion. That's just my opinion. I'm not a wrestling historian. I don't consider myself anybody significant. I'm a fan that's watched quite a bit of wrestling throughout my life, and that's how I view things. So I did want to point that out. I don't hate Tony Khan, I don't hate the young Bucks. I just wish that the it was approached differently. But that is just my opinion, and that is my experience. I had just set you up, bill experience. I like that a lot. No, well said, Well, well said I everybody. I think everybody wants them to succeed, and that's where that passion that that opinion comes from. Like, oh man, just give me a little bit of that with all that you're doing. So I don't like to hear that they're they're getting on you. But on the other side, I like to hear they're getting on you, because that means they're listening. Yeah. Oh yeah, between Reddit, Twitter, they get they they have found me, we have found each other. I guess you could say I have a negative multi hundred karma on Reddit because of my interaction in the aw communities on Reddit. They don't. They don't like me very much. I didn't know where Reddit is, and I just want to get It's to the point where I want to see how low I can get of a rating because of it. But nevertheless, I won't go down that rabbit hole. Now you talked about it. We appreciate you listened. We love the engagement piece. We'll get back to. We left off on the invasion. Actually, and we've had so much between WrestleMania. I think questions that we kind of neglected because of WrestleMania piled up. We wanted to make sure we got everything in. We'll see what next week brings. I have a lot of research to do to finish up that storyline, but I'm excited to talk about it. And it's like you said, it's it's something that you get asked about a lot too. Right. You're connected with the Bill Goldberg, Yeah, And you're connected with tough Enough, your controversial resigning to the company, and then up there is the invasion that you're so yeah, that is the build um on experience bull up. And I'm excited to go on the ride with you. Bill. If you're if you're liking what we're doing. Go to buildmont dot com. You can go to any of your podcast apps off of there. Actually, if you just go to the website, it will It also has the links to those rate it if you can leave comments, talk to us. We absolutely love it and we hope you're having as much fun as we are. Love it, man, Yeah, keep keep tuning in. We'll bring it to you this way. It's a lot of fun um and I appreciate you h hanging on there, Jeff and doing this with you. Man, This is this is a lot of fun. I really, I really appreciate it. And I love talking wrestling and stuff like that, so it's very cool. I don't want to drag this this exit out here, but Bill, this is the only I can't think of many other and there might be a few, like of a tragic event that happened or something, but I don't know of another podcast where I've sat there and cried with another man. I've sat there and laughed with another man. You think about the couple. I guess it's three months of doing this now. Really there's been tears shed. Yeah, there's been a lot of different things, emotions that we've had. I don't know if you if you didn't know it, you weren't a part of it. You probably think that's a little odd. But I've sat here and teared up and pride because of Bill. I've seen Bill tier up and we've done all this together. Man. So the experience is awesome. Man, that was the quickest three months ever. It didn't even feel like it's been that long. I can't wait for next three months. I'm excited. No, this is the best men to build hum out experience. Love it to build him out experience. And until then we will hear from you next week. Keep being you and keep being great, and I'm chance on the right. Don't let no one can't. Don't let my molly, your love and your sweat to be shuting. Make the best of yourself to you, spread is shown you all out, the truly shadows down the room, model things. Jeff Counting Media bat
