Bill DeMott, Mickie James and Nick Aldis

What's she gonna do? Brother? When Jeff Townsend Media runs wild on you. All Right, here we are, We're in the build. We're back in the Building on experience. It's gonna be a great episode for me because we've we just released last week on the Build ingmar Experience on the YouTube channel, the training Camp episode, and this week I got some great Yes. My guest this week are two people that I hold in high regard in wrestling and his people we spent we spent the weekend together in Virginia and we aired an episode called training Camp on the Build Amot Experience on a YouTube channel, and Mickey James and Nick all this are with me? Come come on and got you there? Hey, I will there they are, And I gotta tell you, I had so much fun and the feedback from the episode, but I had so much fun one just hanging out with you guys, because Nick, this that was the first time you and I actually have been together and got to know each other. And Mickey, you and I have known each other for years. But give me, give me your take on things and we'll talk about what we did. But how are you guys doing? Give me your take on what you thought about the show. Oh, I thought it was great. Like I thought it was really captured, like what the essence of that whole camp was, you know, And I felt that the whole the students took so much away from it. And you know, honestly, you know, we didn't know what to expect from the first you know, Superstar Seminars, and that's why, you know, we thought to do it with the build Amott experience. And I think that the response it got, especially after during after seeing the video come out, was it was pretty positive. In it was pretty awesome. Yeah, I gotta tell you, I was a little I was a little nervous because you know, I'm wrestling camps, that's my thing and I love being around the cats like that. But this was the first one for Superstar Seminars. One, I was honored, and in two I was so nervous. I think the three of us must have talked via email and text message about two million times, it seemed like, probably just because I was freaking out. But when we got there, everything just fell into place. So, I mean, tell me more about Superstar Seminars. What are you guys doing with that? What's the what's the object here? Well, it's funny, actually, I mean I was. We were nervous too. I mean, I you know, obviously we have quite a few mutual friends, so you know, the guys who who you would trained NXT and stuff like that, so you know, so I had had a bit of an idea of what to expect. But you know, it's always it's always a weird thing when you meet someone that you that you hauled in high esteem in the business. I I think when we talked about Superstar seminars, it was one of those things where we a lot now a lot of the guys when we were if you if you've had any sort of TV exposure, you get booked and one of the things they often have you do is is to do like a guest seminar at their local wrestling school and stuff like that. And so we talked about the idea of saying, you know, the thing is, with the seminars, it's normally like a few hours you might get to nitpick like one person and help them out with one or two little things and maybe help them on their way. But you and I both know and anyone who's who's had some decent training in wrestling that an intensive camp is normally the best way to right make serious progress. And we said, you know that I can speak from my own experience when I was was hired but t and a like, I was so green and I didn't really know what I was doing. You know, I had a couple of things going for me and was just sort of thrown in at the deep end. And it was only because I was a will to sort of work with loads and loads of good talent that we're all there at that time learned sorce through osmosis how to how to get good. And we said, that's it's so much learned so much quicker by being than you do from just reps reps reps. And we said, how can we do something where we create an environment where they get to work with not only you know, guys who are in the business now and and sort of know what the standard is, but also with I will start, you know, like someone Ian wrestling and someone who really gets it and know not only how to train guys, but also like what WWW is looking for or anywhere else of that makes not anywhere of this nature is wwe But you know what I'm saying, And it was let's do let's create a situation where like we're always there obviously, you know, and then we'll have like a guest uh control story, you know who we dispers you know, they kind of run it. Will we assist like that seems to be like a good model, and we would and we would just we were just cheusing names around, right, and then it was one of those things that we just went build them up. You know. Yeah, I thought too seminar because a lot of times I remember, do you want a lot of seminars? When I was first coming through and you get stuck in with a lot of people who it could have been their first time you even set in a ring. Yeah, it was. It was more difflet's kind of get past that so we get kind of where you had to have at least a year's experience of working through rings, so that way it was a bit more advanced. It was more of the fine tuning those elements that you're not get just you know, on your own and until somebody tells you know, like that felt like that was benefit of being at obi W. It was. It was that eight unique on probos. You're you know, you're timing and execution on things, so and a large from you know, from people who've been there and who've even set the standard for that whole is is is you know, so valuable. It was just it's hard to find who not only good barlds articulating how to be good you know, you know, you know, it's it's it's uh you you know have made such a name themselves as trainers because it's like, there are a lot of guys who are who are good hands and understand the mechanics of the business and how to have a good match and how and how to construct a good match. But unless you know how to articulate it to someone who doesn't know that stuff yet, that's you know, you can't necessarily be a good trainer. But that I mean, I learned as much as the as the guys, did you know. That's what I said in the the episode. I learned so much from from from those I say kids, you know, because I'm I'm great and old now, but I watching watching you guys, and the thing for me, Nick that really stuck out. As you say you talk about how you were thrown into to the deep end, but you you both of you went to g XW and your schedules are crazy crazy crazy, both individually together when you're traveling everything and you find a time to go there. And the thing that really grabbed me when I left, and I talked about it the whole way home, was you guys are all in. You're not just and this is not me just saying this because you know we're talking now. I've said this to a number of people. You're you can see it. And that's what made me. By day two, That's what made me want to do whatever it was for, especially for those kids and for you guys. And I think you have the groundwork to wherever you take it next. You have it down because you guys are awesome with those kids, and you want to that's the trick, right You want to You should want to have to learn from those kids as much as they're trying to learn from you. And that's what I got away from it. But watching you guys and knowing how much time and we talked about how much time you spend there on your on your days off, whenever they are anymore, just made it that much, you know, so much more worthwhile that I was just I was blown away by the whole thing. So the fact that we got you know, we got to use it for an episode. Was just the gravy. And I mean I literally I don't think I did not smile the whole way home and for like the next three days because to me, that was back to basics. Let's talk wrestling, and I love the talks that you guys had and we had with them so much as much as the physical I mean, everybody should take advantage of Superstar seminars. Everybody, give me real quick before we go, what is the Twitter? Give me your Twitter? Because we have a lot of fans on iTunes. You don't see this video, so I want them to know where they can reach out to that. Uh, well, mine is at Mickey James resetbul Okay, my my Twitter is at Magnus Official and then on Instagram it's my own name at Nicoldus. But yeah, I linked together so you know if you find yeah, you I mean, it was just uh to take the time, like I'm I'm a big fan of people take time for wrestling. I know, it's sports entertainment. I know we talked, you know, we talked about it, but just uh and I hope it did it as much justice and the end result as it did for the two days. But I was fascinated by both of you and your delivery because Mickey, you and I know each other for a bunch of years now, and I know how you handle h talent and other people and the respect you have. But to watch Nick, that's what grabbed me. You know, I was, I was, you know, I came into your your home in Richmond, and I thought that was great. And then to watch you guys deal with the talent and the fact that you were and Nick, you just said you were there again and so your schedule. You just came back. So let's talk about what you guys are doing now, because I can talk about what we did all, you know, forever. So catch catch everybody up on what's going on now and what you guys got happened. Oh god, so busy, you know, because Donovan just had his first birthday. Unbelievable. God that is that is unbelievable. Like it's yeah, So you know, I have my music bookings, I have wrestling. Nick has wrestling. We both have gf W you and we both you know, I mean basically anytime I'm not wrestling, I mean like I've just done two trips to Europe in the last six weeks and then I go again to Germany, so the tiny stick Claire in weeks, and then we have We're We're I mean, that's no secret. At this point we are actually booking and sort of promoting the first A shows for Global Force. You know. That was one of the cool things about Chump going on with Jeff's was he sort of afforded me the opportunity to kind of be the be somewhat of the UK guy as far as as you know, as far as like the developing the life events and you know, using sort of some way established relationships with the media and and different contacts and venues and stuff, so that we could very quickly expand because such a young company like you know, and he's so he's working every every hour of the day with with Sully, trying to put the TV show together that we're filming in Vegas, which is essentially just a glorified pilots the season really, but it's it's it's what TV networks need these days in order to get get on board of something as they want to see the entire products. So you know, he's really rolling the dice. So it was one of those things where I I'm working with a great it's quite a wait a minute, I'm all enthralled in this conversation and you just held up a Dallas Cowboys cup. She kind of myself that is so, oh my gosh, what are you giant? Well, one of my Giants fan. I'm born and raised and giants everywhere. My alligator behind me as a Giants hat on it. It's I'm a huge. So catch and let's catch everybody up because a lot of people when you say Jeff, we're talking about Jeff Jarrett and Global Force Wrestling. Yeah, So how did that come about for you guys, because I know you're excited about you and I were talking about the upcoming UK touring things you have going on. So how did that come about with you and Jeff? Well, Jeff and I have a you know, various long sort of story relationship anyway, And obviously most people would know that he he founded TENA and sighed it back in two thousand and two, and TENA was obviously where I hung my app for a lot of years, and you know the majority of my time there, well, you know, while at Dixie was very very good to me and some of the various other people that ran the company at different times, you know, were good to me. Jeff Jarrett was really the person who I always felt like got it and and was the first stay to sort of take me and go like, here's here's a chap an opportunity. So I you know, I basically decided I done everything I can do at TNA and decided to move on. And then it just coincided with Jeff basically getting Global Force off the ground because he decided more or less, you know, he decided the same thing was I want to do it all over again. And you talk about passion for the business. Start a company in two thousand and two and you know, watch it grow and develop into what it was and you know, to what it is today, and then to basically walk away for whatever reason and in twenty fourteen do it all over again. Yeah, say, I say, you know what, I want to do that again. Yeah, Like all of it just kind of makes him a little bit nuts, but completely. But for everybody who's not in in this business, they go, man, he's nuts. But for the people that are in this business, you go, you know, thank goodness, right, yeah, yeah, And so you know, in between any all of my free time and I'm not wrestling or doing something of that nature is basically taken up with at the moment, you know, trying to do everything I can to make the UK live events as successful as I can, to promote my book. You just so you go from being thrown in the deep end to just throwing yourself in the deep end now because now you're booking, You're booking towns, and you're you're gonna be the front man, and I look at you and go, you're hanging around with some nutty people in a trubing off on. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, unfortunately it's at this point apart from I mean I'm a big you. You and I are both. You referenced it a lot in the campus. I'm always I've always been a big believer of the ten thousand hours. Yeah, well, well theory as well. And I said, you know, the two things that I've really at this point in my life at twenty eight, the only two things that I've dedicated my ten thousand hours to pro wrestling and to you know, fitness and nutrition. So it makes sense to me that if I'm gonna try and make a living from you know, it needs to be from those two things. So that's why I have wrestling, and then in the meantime trying to promote the book and make it succept. Well, let's talk now. I'm gonna leave Mickey on the back burner because she brought up that Dallas cup. I'm just now, I'm just half hot. I'm trying to look at it. Even my giants gear anything. I think you're cahoot with that other girls on my show, Paula. I firmly believe she's telling everybody on Facebook to set me up. But so let's talking before we get to Mickey. The music and and and because you're Mickey, I know your schedule is just as Caddy Wampus as Nick's Nick talked talk about the book. This is this is the time, because you had told me about it. That's it. Plug it man, Yeah, the Superstar Body, it's it's available now. You can get it and get it. Get through Bill's Amazon link. There, Amazon, I told you, we love you. Hit the button, shop for Nick's book, the button and find this find the Superstar Body. It's available. We we actually we had some very good news. Our US distributor putting a very good order. So it's all there. It's on pre order out for November. As far as a physical copy is concerned in the United States, it's available all over the world, you know, published in the UK, but it's available for download right now on on all the major e readers, Kindle, Nook, It's available through all the major you know retailer's, Amazon, Barns and Noble Book Depository, all of those kinds of things. And it's you know, yes, it's it's a fitness book. It's not necessarily a bodybuilding book, but there is a lot of you know, traditional kind of Golden Age bodybuilding kind of rhetoric, you know, because I was a big Arnold fan and and that whole sort of era of the sort of what is referred to now as like physical culture. And the thing to me that is more the unique thing of the book for me was that I always said, you know, I picked up muscle books and magazines and all that stuff. From about the age of twelve. I started I bought a little home weight set because I wanted to be a pro wrestler. I wanted to be like The Rock and Triple H and all these guys who I was watching on TV. And I at the same time, formulated this idea that I wanted to be this physically you know, impressive sort of body because I was skinny and I wasn't you know, I was puny, and I wasn't really you know, didn't have a very positive sort of body image. That's changed. Just for the reference everybody on iTunes, he's not skinny and scrunning check it out and ship that I have my days. But the thing for me that I found was and I got I learned this more from when I was doing Gladier is you know back in in two thousand and eight, before I started with t Anda was you know, when I was cast on that show, I was the youngest guy on that show. I was twenty one, and I was surrounded by all these men, you know, who were like Olympians and Marines and you know, football players and all these kind of brilliant athletes, and I basically kind of I was able to just get cast more on personality. But when I was around those guys, I picked up so much as far as like fitness and nutrition and diet and all that stuff. And I realized that you can read and read and read as much as you want, but it's it's you develop stuff so much quicker when it comes to like bouncing ideas around with other great people. So what I tried to do with the book was give people an idea of like, look, here's the here's the four one one. You know, here's the skinny. I'm not going to bog you down with all this science and very kind of bumps. It's more about like, hey, here's what works for me. Here's what works for Kurt Angel. Here's what works for David Mackintosh, who's a fitness model and a foreman an. You know, here's here's what works for Here's not this trainer who trains like NFL players and NBA players and NC Double A stars. Is what he tells people. You know, here's what Mickey. Hey, girls, this is what Mickey does. This is what Brooke Adams says. You want to know how she you know, how she has that body? Like it's not by accident, you know. So it's it's obviously the majority of it is me. But I've had so many great guests contributors that just gave such a gave such a unique spin to the books that I don't think I've ever seen in any other book. I mean, I could be. I'm sure there are, but I've never seen a book that had that many kind of different authorities on, you know, from different sort of walks of life, but all but all to the same goal. And the eye the superstar body was because I said, look, I don't really care what you I don't care if you want to be big, small, ripped, huge, you know, whatever it may be. I want you to feel like a superstar, like you, whatever your superstar body is, whether you want to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger, whether you want to look like Pink, or whether you want to look like Bradley Cooper, you know, whatever it may be. Like, I'm going to give you the tools and the and the sort of the real knowledge, not the sort of commercially influence knowledge that you get in magazines and stuff. I was trying to sort of lead by something. It's just this is like this is the brass tax, you know what I mean. This is like the this is what you need to know so I can give you all the tools then to help you develop everybody you want to develop. Now, it's kind of the with I didn't mean to cut you off with cross fit and everything else that's big is your book geared too because you are your full time into wrestling and sports entertainment. Is your book geared to those young cats? Would you suggest like like I would want to say to young cats because they ask me, I'm a I'm a wait's guy. I do my car, I'm a waits guy. I can lift. I'm not smart, but I lived to everything. That's my always been my you know, my my thing. But to the young caster of that who need to be durable and flexible all these things, is that where you go with them? There's that. I've tried my best to cover it to be as you know, without it without being too vague. I've also tried to make it as as broad spectrum as possible, as far as here's some traditional bodybuilding, here's how if you want mass, here's how you get that mask, if you want this kind of stuff. And I'm not I'm not a huge authority on CrossFit. I've done you know, I've done elements of it. But I have had feedback from some guys who have bought the book who are big CrossFit guys, who have said, oh, hey, you know it was it was still really helpful because of the some of the diet techniques. There's things like car backloading and carb cycling and all these kind of things in there. And okay, so can Frank who sits in the office. Is this book just as helpful to that guy as it is to a gym guy? Absolutely? I think so, because the problem is that there's for every there's there's so much misinformation out there, and and there's a lot of information that's actually very you know that's really comes with an agenda, you know, as especially when it comes to diet. You know, it's it's so hard to trust, you know, what you read in in magazines and stuff like that. Now when it comes to well, first of all, it's all very contradictory. You know, one one month it will be like, don't touch carbs, you know, whatever you do, and then the next month it will be like, hey, why are you're touching carbs? You know, like you're not going to get the workouts right, you know. And so for me it was like there are different techniques, you know that they're none of them are right. They're all right in their own way, and this is like, but here's the you know, here's the like I tried to give people, like a a kind of straightforward approach to like why what the whole issue is with cards, Like just as an example, it's like most people are completely unaware of what the implication of cards are, which is your insulin, which is all to do with your insulin and your insulin sensitivity or resistance, you know. And it sounds very like over scientific and kind of difficult to digest, but like what I've done in the book is kind of made it basically say like this is the this is the issue. You know. What I mean is that you want to be in a situation where you have insulin sensitivity so that then when you train, then you take in those carbs afterwards you can enjoy, like enjoy that, enjoy them. Don't worry about it, you know what I mean, because you've created a situation where you're not you know, it's not going to go. It's I'm going to turn to a waste product, you know. And it's just unfortunately, most people have a a mindset that's kind of divided, that developed through years and years of being told like stuff that's only kind of partially true or true to an extent of helping somebody sell them some sort of product or supplement TV I s. Everything's been what they've seen and what they've Yeah, so what I've tried to do is just give them something where it's like, hey, if you want it, even though you've and told like, oh, there's no way you should ever do this, this, this, But hey, how come that guy looks like that and he does that, you know, well, because maybe he knows something you don't you know, and said, I'm trying to help them know all those things that maybe they don't know it. Well, that's awesome, man, I'm congratulations on the book going as well as it is. And you're you know, you're a Please don't take this the wrong way. You're a you're a you got it man, you wrestler. How dare you be intelligent? And uh, it's a huge hindrance. We I did that the podcast a few weeks ago. We juked about how you know, he said, like, the one thing holding you back in this business is that brain of your it's you know, that's it. That intelligence is gonna get you in trouble already has No it's not no, you have Well, you have a lot going on man, in it and you're the you're the right guy with Jeff and leading that stuff, and I know you're excited about it. And and I always say I I don't like the word passion because everybody uses it so freely. But you your passion for the things you speak about and what you do is clear, and that's what that's what draws me to you. So I wholeheartedly appreciate it. And I congratulations on the book and all that stuff, and I wish you wore The issue is now you're going to have to write another one. Yeah, well then that's and then you're and a half writing this one. And I was just like, oh man, yeah, finish it. Put more pictures in there, do something. But yeah, now you're going Now you're going book signing tours in between, so whatever your day off is done now, that would be great. Anything to avoid more bumps on their bump guard. Yeah, I'm with that. I do, although I will admit I miss I miss it because I hurt more without doing it. But that's a whole different that's a whole different podcast. So let's okay, Dallas fan, let's get to it. I'm half hot now, I bet they'll get I feel like I'm gonna have to call what's her name later and tell her she set me up. So I say the same thing to you, because you you were and I respectfully you are such a young lady when I met you, and you're not, by no means of you old now, but you guys are like you're you're both kids and you're but you're Mickey, You're not a kid in this business. You've done it all. Your name speaks for itself and your delivery with those and I didn't do it justice to capture either one of you the way you dealt with the talent at g XW on that weekend, but your delivery, like you've learned your craft. That's the that's the best simplest way I can say, you've learned your craft. And to sit back and listen to you talk and relay the message you're you're relaying. I was. I was blown away, and not that you weren't paying attention, but when you I've never had the opportunity before to sit back and listen to others. Now you're always in the front. And when you get to sit back and listen to it, and you go, holy crap, like that's it. And so first I say to you, I don't know when it happened, but you're and that's the humor, And I don't know when it happened, but you you're good. Yes, you're good in and out of the ring, and your delivery and the way you handle people and the way you talk to them is phenomenal. That's my take on the camp. But I look at you and you're sitting next to Nick, I say, when the hell do you find the time for it? Because you have wrestling, you have music, you have Donovan and we when we were at the camp, you you had dates right after that, so you went from one thing to the next. So catch everybody up to what you're doing. Oh my gosh. You know, I don't know how. I think you just had to learn to juggle it. And I think because I mean, as you know, like the schedule of being on the road is so so taxing. It's too days out of the year, So you get used to that daily grind, and when it becomes part of like where you're only doing a third of that, you're sitting back at home, you're just spending wheels at home, you're just going like I need to be doing something like this is not working right. So yeah, between all that. Like, we have a bunch of music dates coming up. I mean, I just did the bike Fest and Ocean City. We just got booked in a Ruba at a casino, so we're going out there. Yeah, so I yeah, it's exciting. And then I just started doing this radio show for Heart Songs for Veterans where all the pro SATs go to veterans and is building awareness. And the show's called Project Lists Internet radio show. So it's I've just been doing that for the past two months or so and I've just fallen in love with the stories and the cause and like it's amazing. So we work a lot with Walter Rehet Hospital and the soldiers coming back and injured in the rehabilitation group there, and a lot. It's really really cool. So yeah, it's been really I've found I've learned so much, you know, because we've gotten to do those iraqtors and that meat was a massive eye opening experience. You have no idea, think because we're here in America where it's safe and it's comfortable and we can still sip our coffee out of our Dallas Cowboys cups. She'll lap you know, to go over there. When I was over like end to see like hundreds of cots lined in an old school building, you know, where all the soldiers slick, the whole experience and the security and the measures and this is crazy, but it's certainly eye opening. You go like, that's a lot to sacrifice to go say, I'm gonna go spend all that time over there. So all these guys that are coming back and that you know, have seen and seeing things. That's a lot of the stuff that we're working with that too. That been wrestling, of course as much as I can, because we love it and we're crazy and you can't. Yeah. I think that's one of the things and always try to tell these young cats is that you the three of us, have been doing this long enough to where life experiences come in and you start either you capitalize them. And I said this on some other interview. There's guys and girls who get in this business, do it, and once they're done in the ring, they move on and move out and do something else. And then there's there's that I say, select group that stays in it and makes makes things happen from experiences. Right, It's always my thing is experiences. And now both of you are taking taking that experience and giving it back to the wrestling community, but then using your celebrity to do to do so much more right, Well, you know, I think too, and I don't. I mean, is what I find to be true. A lot of people who and like dreamed of it as a kid, as a little kid, I would, I'm going to be a wrestler, And I love it because it was my dad and I thing that was our bonding experience. Like Nick was a wrestling fan when he was a kid, and I'm sure that you were too, Like it was just I loved it. So I've been a fan of it. I'm still a wrestler, except ultimately, like the one thing I remember, and I think it was it was really like a key point that I learned along the way. And someone said to me, like, you always want to leave the business better than when you came in, and so if you can help one person and that one person helps evolves the wrestling business and helps the business become better than you've done something regardless of you know, what titles you've won and where you've been and all that, if you can help mold the future in some positive aspect, then you're giving back and you always feel like you're doing that, and so I've you know, yeah, that's that's obvious in what you guys are doing in g x W. And then as you take this around the world, I all those kids left there with that thing in their eye of that's it, we're done. I think if you would have told her, hey, you know, we're gonna extend this two more days, I think everybody would have stayed. If and the kid who drove down from Canada to the you know, from everybody else because and to Nick's point earlier, that's what people are looking for in these seminars because Q and A's are great, and you know, you get to spending and you know, I think that's what those panels are for. And we've all been to the shows where they have the panel and the fans get to ask questions, but to have that time and to give it back. Steve Austin and I talked one time, and I always told him my job was to your job is to make the other person look better than they are. And I think that's the same point, is what you just made is how do you make them? You make them better, and then they're gonna make someone better and they're gonna make someone better, and that that was obvious for me. So get involved when when keep following of the Twitter and the and the Instagram and stuff and the next seminar, jump on it because these two and again I'd say it if they weren't on the show, but they're on the show, and they have up a flare for this. They they have a direction there. They have their fingers on the business right now. I said in the in the experience, they're relevant and they're doing it now. Everybody should get involved and superstars, seminars and whatever else you got going. I'd be remiss if I didn't say how great it was to see the the Hebner's while we were there. They are big, big supporters of what's going on there. And again Earl, that crazy bastard just loves the business, and it was still much fun to be around him. I mean, one another perfect example of someone who just apes and breezes and basically I mean, he'll he'll, he'll, he'll be just yeah, he'll be can tanker as with us and and bits and motive about everything. You're like that. It's gonna be my last year a long it's been as last year in the business, just a great He was so emotional on the last day that it made me emotional. I never liked to be emotional, but it was just what a great weekend of just wrestling and and stuff like that. And then just sit back and I want those kids and everybody should know. And I'm sure the kids that you deal with all the time, no, but the schedule and what what's needed, and you guys are setting the setting the tone and not you know, to get off a plane from European tour and come back and your day off go right back to g x W has to set the tone for those kids. Yeah, I think, I mean it's it's it's hustled to you. You know, like if you if you're at this point, you know, I'm doing everything I can obviously to help Global Force Wrestling and get off the ground, and I want that to be as huge success. But but you know, it's not in a position right now where it has me on a on a contract or anything like that. And it's certainly not in a position like I was with with TNA. And honestly, at this point, if you're not if you're not under contract at ww E, but you're you intend to make your living from wrestling, Like you have to hustle, hustle, hustle, And it's like and that those and that's where are those things? Yeah, that's good, right, and the other things that come out of the other things outside of wrestling, but within the same kind of realm, like you know, trying to plug other stuff or doing like seminars or doing all that, you know, doing those other things, Like it just comes down to hustle. Because it's like, I don't want a real job. Yeah, I agree with That's why I get to sit in my in a the upstairs in my house and do this show because I really I haven't worked in twenty years, so I don't want to start now at a real dealt. But those kids have to. I mean, they were a great group of guys, and a couple of them keep in contact with me via Facebook and things like that. And to watch them try to put those things into play that we're talked about in those two days and to see a love of it, like the Corey Bush stands out to me. He's a big, husky kid and he knows while he may never reach that level, he wants to be in this business, so he wants to learn it from the ground up, and he wants to know the backstage, and he wants to know about all these things. And those are the kids that you gravitate to. Yeah, but you know, three had a really cool story just because he didn't originally sign up for the camp. There was a girl that signed up and she couldn't do the camp because she was going to YAH, so she pretty much traded her spot to Corey. Corey was afraid. He was like, are you sure that it's okay if I sign up? Like I'm not, you know, you're you know, I'm not that in great shape, And I'm not, I said, And I looked at his background. He's been wrestling what ten years? He's I was like, of course you can sign up like the what Yeah, said absolutely. And he was one of the guys that really I had never really met him before that I really like gotten to know him, and he was the one that I really gravitated toward. Yeah, throughout that whole experience, Like he really hearty Mick too, And you knew Mick because I guess he'd been too a couple of tris, Yeah, me and stuff like that, you know, was so, yeah, a great example of you know, I mean he you know, he's just just a good human being and you know, good attitude. He's a lawyer. What does he want to be a wrestler? Yeah. I said it to him the first time I met him, Mick Pandon, I'm like, what do you do? You should be representing me. You shouldn't be trying to stand in the ring go toe to toe with me. I said, you make UK could be a millionaire in one try. If I just got around handing out business cards, let's or take you know, he could take a bad fall of represent himself. I always told them, like, hey, one slipper. But we we had Tessa Blanchard who was there, and that kid goes to everything and anything. I love Tessa as a bunch and she's a great girl. And she's already she's already been wrestling like a year, year and a half, nineteen years old. What like, you know, it's Telly Blanchard. What do you gotta do? You guys brought that out. You guys brought that out in them, and it was it was a great experience for me. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed I enjoyed just being around both of you and being around those kids, and and that GXW is a great place off in the corner. You know, it's off in the corner, but that's it. I say it looks like because I wasn't there during their training, but that's a place where they're trying to respect, they're trying to get it right, and they're taking the time and they I know, they run a show out of there. And and everybody, you know, you cannot ever down hard work and determination and from from everybody I met there and the people that that you deal with. And I feel like everybody get involved. Everybody should be going to seminars and until you're told no. For everybody out there on iTunes and all of you aspiring wrestlers, if you want to tweak questions, tweak those kinds of questions. I'll answer that stuff, you know, all day long. Forget about what I think about who did what on this show, or how do I feel about this guy talking smack. Let's talk. That's what I loved about that camp and be what you guys who is We got to talk wrestling for a couple of days and that was the best. That was so so everybody was saying we were there ten and twelve hours. Yeah, it was originally what we say, we had originally ten ten to four and we were there from ten until eight nine o'clock at night almost ten. Right, both nice. It was a soft four. It was a tough It was a soft four. But but that's hats off to you guys. And and the way it was run and again, how how you deal with people. And you can very easily have cut Ty's going, hey man, that's great. Everybody who paid fish, We're done it for four fifteen. Let's clean up and go on. We'll see tomorrow. But I felt like it was so that energy was so infectious. You know, you brought your own energy, and I could tell that you were excited, We were excited, and there was that they feel like that just grew through osmosis and and it made everyone in the camp excited, you know, want to give and give and get. So everybody was pushing themselves from from you all the way down to Corey to Tessa to you know, drawn all of everybody pushed themselves to the limits. You know. For me, like and I'm you know, I'll say this, and I hope that everyone takes you know, takes this on board and you know that this I'm saying this just because it's true, but I'm sure that there were even some of the guys who came probably had some reservations about your reputation and what they were going to go through and you know what they may or may not experience. And to me, I think the thing I want to try and convey to anyone listening to this or watching this, was it every single one of those people there, they they worked their asses off. Yes, they did well because you made them, because you encouraged them, and then drove when the time was right. Like there were periods, yes, where there was like the squats and the pushups and the setups and the conditioning stuff like that, but there were there was there was no point. There was never a point where someone couldn't just say all right, I'm out, Like say, every single one of those people pushed themselves to the limit because they wanted to, because you made them one too, not because you made them, you know. And there was not a single one of those people while they all walked away going like jeez, I got you know, I worked hard and I figuratively got my ass kicked, like not a single one of those people would would treated with anything but absolute respect and with you know, one hundred percent encouragement to come away and be be better at the business. Like yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you for saying. But they brought that out in me and you guys brought that out, and that's what I took from it. I wanted everyone to leave there going. You should be going. You know, it's wrestling, so like coush, you should that. I said it, you should be leaving there going. Holy shit. Yeah that was tough, but it was tough and you made it and it was tough, and it was tough as a group, and even some of the guys were talking about it and they were so surprised at each other that they they they kept going. And it's only to me, a camp or a seminar or wrestling on an everyday basis is only as tough as you make it. And if you can go into it knowing that there's certain expectations and this is what it is, then you have a better feel for what you the person wants to do. And but that's my thing, the build hum on experience. And I said this to the Miami Herald. I think last week is he says, what's your what's your endgame? And my endgame is simply this. Don't go by the tough enough guy. Don't go by the guy that when the red light is on, I'm that guy because that's what I get paid to do. Go by the guy you meet. And that's why the build up on experience, both the podcast and the YouTube channel come and let's spend time together, and we'll both look at each other and go that was that was a serious camp or that was a serious seminar. Yes, that was a serious couple of days together. But if we leave there looking at each other with a smile, gone, man, let's do that again, then to me, that's what makes it all worthwhile. And I don't think I know that's what we had in Richmond, and I know everything you guys do and touch well going forward with the seminars and everything you do is like that because YouTube bring that out in people as well. Well. Yeah, we were hoping to do some more, you know, with you, and then I thought to do like a diva camp and like, oh yeah, now it's it's really we're trying to aim it towards people who have had experience that need that fine tuning, you know that have been wrestling two or three years and have had tryouts and have had those experience and goes like what what am I doing wrong? And how can I fix it? Like what are those things that I need to know that I obviously don't know yet? You know what I mean to kind of it's it's necessary because they'll come to a camp and that's it until their next camp, and sometimes you don't get invited back, no matter what company it is, or you know, whether you may not get invited back to Japan, So you have to keep honing that. And I think you guys have your finger on it and it's the right idea. Yeah, yeah, I mean honestly, like I mean, if you could fit it in, I mean, you guys got nothing going on. Like March third of twenty twenty, we I think will you four? We had like yeah, we we had we We honestly had plans to be doing another one. We had, we were we were trying to fit one in in the UK when we were when we were over that said for you know, for the Blood Will Force, But then we ended up selling up our calendar with double shots after the thing and then we're going to Amsterdam. Yeah we love Amsterdam. Yeah yeah a Ruberger and Amsterdam. That's so bad. But you know, but honestly bought me. Honestly, it's it's hard because as as corny as this sounds, it's like it's hard, Like I haven't given it as much thought as we had prior to your camp because we were like that camp was so good that it was like how do we how do we top it? You know, like it was such a great experience. It's almost like there's been I don't know whether you think that man really talked about it, but I mean it doesn't almost It's like, I don't know where we go from there to that one was so suggesting we want them to be more of like a higher end because even go to camps all day long camp, so I it's out of score whenever. But like I said before, it's not really a selective process on who they We could have had a hundred people there at least if we wanted to. We were we had what twenty people total? Fifty twenty kid, Yeah, that we kind of hand selected but like and accepted them. You know, where it's depending on where they were we if we thought that they were actually on a benefit for the camp and if they were ready for it, you know. So yeah, but to have it more of like that that critissa than hopefully it's it's more for the boys and the ladies that are like coming up and want to get that end gone that's actually their goal, because that's where that's the place I came from, like I were. I took those cad did the Ricky the Ricky Steamboat and the Ricky Mooret and the Bobby Eating camps and any camp that I could do to help better myself to get to that end goal. And it may have taken me, you know, five to seven years to actually get there, but when it got there, it made it that much sleeter. Yeah, there's not a lot of that around anymore. And there's not a lot of uh, those minds aren't there anymore. And and the guys and you, you know you said Bobby eating you have the utmost love and respect for you get to work on them for years, but there's no more Bobby eatings. There's no more you know, while they're still with us, they're just not one capable physically, but they're not out there and they're not lack of a better term, relevant to what's going you know, what's going on. So I think you the pressures on the both of you because you started something. And I think when you do the next one, no matter who you pick your your energy is gonna be there because you you started it that way. I think I would in with one mindset and just went off because they their energy was contagious and and and you guys had just such the right I don't know what format or whatever it was, but it was just or it just happened place, honestly, Bill, Like we we had a vague idea of like how we wanted it to how you know, but it exceeded our expectations honestly, Like it went hit you know, it went. It's a great facility, you know, like that's it is. It is a really good facility. So we had that going for us. And it's clean, it's spacious, it had a lot of tools, you know, like the green which we didn't even utilize. All the stuff like the great you know, the green room and the camera equipment. Yeah, but but we just I mean, we had we had an idea in our head of how we wanted it to to go, and we had hoped that it would, you know, but obviously he caught. You can you can never be sure of it one until you meet the talent who would actually there right also until you start, until that chemistry starts to develop between the trainers and the and the trainees and it. But it just it just all worked, and now it's provided us good blueprint if we want to go forward and do more. Yeah, let's do have no no pressure. You gotta do it, no pressure at all. I think that's that's what's missing. Yeah, those kind of can't nice twenty twenty five people. I mean, I've done camps where we've had eighty eighty cats at the same time, you know. So it's it turned into a factory Jun June and this was more intimate and there was a lot of downtime and discussion and I always say, like my term is get to know you time, and it was. I know, they left there just speaking. The two twins, the Hall brothers are always sending me updated videos and things. They're trying outside of wrestling now, they're trying to get into the entertainment partner, doing like these little shows in theaters and stuff and It's awesome because they took from that and realized what what can work elsewhere? Right right? So that was awesome. I'm just so happy we had that time. I'm glad you guys took the time with me today to do this again. I say this respectfully two of my two of my on my top ten lists for sure favorite people. Nick. I love your drive. I want I hope everybody gets a chance to sit and talk to you about just life. Wrestling to me is a small part of what we do, but both of you are such a great outlook and approach towards things and have learned you both hope hopefully this comes off the way I mean it. You have learned, your time on the road has been spent wisely. You've both you've birth, you know, you've learned life, and you have a lot to offer in and out of the restling ring. So I hope everyone goes and gets a version of that book, whether it's the hard copy, the E book, whatever it is. And I hope everybody takes advantage of an opportunity to meet you, and if they have questions, I say to everybody on the on the twitters and everything else, ask those questions. Because these two young cats have a lot to offer. And then Mickey on the flip side, the same thing. And you're just touching people because you have that way about you with your music and now what you're doing, you know, with this the groups you're working with and everything. And I just wish you both the most success any two people could ever could ever have, And I look forward to I'm going to try to stay around for like twenty more years and see if I can't roll around macdonovan when the time is right. What effect all Billy talked about after that was what are we seeing Coach Nick again? What are we seeing Coach Nick again? He's the best he loved when you were rolling around with him on the mats. And to me, that's that's the measuring stick, right One dad to another is how people. How my kids react to people, is how I how I gravitate. My boy thinks you're like the best. At least someone does. So plug Nick, plug the book for me again, and Mickey plug everything you're doing for me again, real quick for everybody. The Superstar body it's out now. It's real well techniques for achieving your goals. It's got some great uh you know, great input from guys like Angle and you know, okay, like I've really tough people and and and myself. And it's good for anyone who wants to, you know, achieve their own superstar body, whatever that body made. And everybody can click on that Amazon button on my page and go right to it and get that book. Absolutely, Mickey Helly, thank you so much for having us on what We love you, Edie. Look, where's give us our neck? Give us your dates coming up? Music wise? Were you at Oh gosh, there's so many twenty twenty eighth, I'm in Middletown, New York. Then that's of November, October tenth, just a few days away. I'm going to be in Bush Park, Camp Brown in Virginia. Awesome. Yeah, between that and Juggling wrestling. You can find it all on Mickey James dot com and sitting anybody on the West Coast please head to the Orleans Arena in Vegas on October twenty three for Blubble Force Wrestling Amp. It's gonna be it's the culmination of it's gonna be the finals of all the title tournaments. They're crowning like you you know, the first tag team titles, Women's Title, next Gen and Heavyweight. So you know all that's that that global. You know. I always try to keep up with everything that's going on. Give Jeff my best. I know Doc Gallows and all those cats are are working with you guys as well as right. Yeah, yeah, yeah they get a little they'll try going on with with new Japan and stuff. So yeah, you guys have a good crew of of guys and uh some good minds going on there. I appreciate you both. I wish you know them, but the best. We'll talk soon. Everybody get on their twitters, get on and follow them. Get to know these people more than what you just saw on television because they're great. I appreciate you both. I'll talk to you really soon. Eli. Thanks guys. Hey, that was this edition of the Build Them On Experience. I can't I can't impress upon everybody enough to follow Mickey and Nick on Twitter and Instagram and uh sell it up. If you get a chance, go to the word let me find my page here. I think that's it. Go to the Build themot Experience on a YouTube channel. Check out training Camp, get a feel for what's going on, and keep your eyes out there for rest wrestling is a big deal. Go to the right camp, get clone the right people, and do the right thing. This is build them up. This the build them out experience. Do what you say, say what you mean, mean what you do. I'm out. You can get you feel a brag, take a stance on the right. What Molly sweat? Relisha Jeff Townsend media, seege you good night. And the question is do I stay here? Will you be back? Are you gonna come back? Will you be back? Are you coming back?