Bill reviews Dave Meltzer's ratings and answers listener questions

What's she gonna do? Brother? When Jeff Townsend media runs wild on you. Molly, alright, alright, alright, you are joining us for another experience, another experience with Buildamot. That's going to be breathtaking. That is him. He's pointed at himself. If you're listening to audio, you can't see that, but he's pointed at himself with a big smile on his face. Right now, Bill, how are you doing? How you doing, buddy? Good to see you good? Too good to be? Like I said, I'm gonna say to early on, this is my favorite part of the week. This is good stuff. So everything's good. It's always fun. And of course you know tonight it's going to be you know, like I just said, I say tonight tonight's recording this episode will be a lot of listener based uh interactions and questions and stuff, which is always fun. Bill. Let's start off like we usually do. Man, how is your week? Is that airplane? Pick is that picture? If you're sitting on the airplane? To me? Was that this week or another week? That that was? Not this week? It's funny. I think I hit the wrong you know how you pick your picture? And I think I meant to hit the one next to it, but I saw fingers. Yeah, so you know this this thum for people can't see it, it's like, yeah, it's a size of us sausage. And so I don't sit on the keyboard. This here's the visual for you. It's like trying to I don't even know how to swipe up. I have to do it like with my knuckles, so I don't press on. But anyway, busy, busy week foundation wise. UM, I just for people listening today this episode, I just came back from the Apopka Police um citizens Patrol. Uh, you know, so every department has like a Citizen's Patrol academy. And then so I spoke. I've spoken three times this week already. So it's been it's been busy, but the good news is we keep reaching further and further. Uh. This week for us as the Foundation is a big law enforcement week, which is always something we like to do and get out there. So during certification classes and things like that, they they bring us in and we address the the room. So it was it was a good positive week. We have some we have some great things coming up. The rest of April's very busy. With different community events and stuff like that, and I have an opportunity, like I mean, I want to say this and share it. UM the Governor's Highway Safety Association so g h SAUM so nationwide. UM and FORD have a like a Team Drivers national Team Drivers events and they hold them nationally well board and GHSA reached out to the Foundation this week and I will be UM starting off their events here in Florida UM next week. So that's really well, it's awesome for us to have the opportunity to reach more people. But now, you know, I would say we're we're nationally recognized, but we're we're still a small foundation. But getting in front of FORD is really going to help us because you know, we're we're running on my my daily driver and we've put two hundred and sixty thousand miles on it in the past six years, you know, so we're we're looking for a van to upgrade our foundation vehicle. So it's really a great opportunity. But we'll be in front of some very you know, influential people in the country as far as traffic safety things like that. So it's really good. It's busy UM and we just keep you know, we just keep going. Man, just every day wake up and go okay, we're in front of us. And so the Foundation is doing well. I always appreciate you asking and sharing what we're doing. And to everybody who follows the Foundation, keep following us and spreading the word with us and not we'll get there. And if you're just following along on this podcast, we did bring up something in the previous couple episodes, the memorial site of your daughter. If you want to touch up on this, I don't want me to bring up a square subject. No, that's okay. You'd see your post this week where you finally got a comment from the contracted services who does the How would you define their work? They do the roadside clean up for the state of Florida. I mean, I don't know how great. Yeah, So they're a subcontractor and if you go on there their website to see what actually this company does. They're nationally I think, if I'm not mistaking, their worldwide and they have different you know, branches of worldwide. So what happens is the Department of Transportation contracts out certain roadways, state roadways, county roadways, things like that. So this subcontractor took over this certain state road, state Road four or seven. And since they took it over, they just went in and took up all memorial markers and there were there were four on that particular roadway, one of them being my daughters. Um so not only and it's not the issue of okay, because it's kind of like, you took it down, let's figure it out. We can eventually put it back right. But what they did was they took all her belongings, her memories, and the things that my family and other people placed there in honor of my daughter. They threw them out, they destroyed them, and then they returned some of the stuff to me in a box. So now they answered us on Facebook. They won't return a phone call, they won't return an email, but they answered on Facebook saying, well, we were just doing what we're told. And they put it off on the Florida turnpipe and they put on the Department of Transportation. So that's who I've been in contact with now, because they're your subcontractor, you're in charge of them. Let's let's get to the bottom of it. The Department of Transportation blame them. Yeah, the Department of Transportation said, well, that's now part of the turnpike, and the turnpike contracted. So you have this one pointing at this one, who's pointing at this one and there, and they're going back and forth. So nobody wants to take accountability. And the whole thing is listen, if you want me to go through jump through hoops to get the marker replaced. Fine, where are my daughter's belongings, memories and things that are important to my family and people that have bronament? It nowhere? So we've asked for all the paperwork. There's no where that says you can just come in and trash things. It actually says on their websites they will notify you and you have thirty days to pick it up. Will nobody notified us. I had to hunt it down and then they returned my daughter's state. I mean, I think we talked about they're snapped crosses, there's broken lights, there's all these things. There's butterflies and things that my daughter and my son and my wife and I and other people that put there. She did like crap, throw in the box. So that was the response on Facebook by Lewis Burger Services, who doesn't have the common decency to at least dressed us in person, try to, I don't know, explain their version of it. They're just denying they did it. But then I after reports showing they took pictures of it and everything was there and proves that they destroyed it threw it out. So it's it's an ongoing thing. And unfortunately, when you're when you're talking to or dealing with state government agencies, they feel that they don't have to abide by the rules, but they will put on that the you know, safety's first and you know, raising awareness and all the blah blah, you know, politically correct stuff. But when it comes down to it, you're just a number and a statistic. So that's that's an ongoing struggle for me. And that's a personal struggle. It's not a foundation struggles. So I just want to make like the foundation has a stance on it, but the foundations out of it. This is just build the father of Carrie in dealing with that. So it's in a plane. It just sucks, man. It's just it's it's inexplainable. It's it's it's just disgusting how they how they treat and since that time, since unite. I sent you that that thing and we saw it on social media. There's another mom who contacted me. Her daughter's site and Mark have been there for eighteen and a half years and they're gonna take it all away. Now. She didn't set up anything. It's so her daughter was killed in a bus crash. She was the only one killed in the bus crash. There was two dozen kids on the bus. The driver of the truck that rear ended the bus. The bus woun up in flames. Her daughter was killed. The community uses that site to remember all those that survived and to honor Margain. Well, now they want that after eighteen half years, they feel like it shouldn't be there anymore. So now it's it's it's tough, man, It's it's tough to swallow as a parent or or anything. And so it's it's an ongoing fight on But we we always say we got to pick the hills, and this is this is gonna be my hill. We're gonna we're gonna change the policies, We're gonna change the procedures, and we're gonna have someone have to be accountable for how my daughter memories and belongings retreated. So it's an ongoing that's it. That's in the course of the day now, So it's I try, I try to giggles Otherwise you know, I'm gonna lose I'll lose my mind then. Yeah, last thing I'll say, crappy part to me was obviously it's more than just you happened too, but uh, it's they just pointed figures at each other. Yeah, nobody wants to address it now. I will say this. The CEO of FDOT, the FDA Department Transportation, the CEO of her self contact me once a week to at least explain and share her I'll use her word, her disgust for how things have gone. And so she's very willing and has us involved in what's going to happen in the future, and she has stopped all memorial marker removals in the state until this is figured out. So while there's some some good things going on for the future and other families and victims, it's still a struggle to have someone say this is what we did, this is how we'd like to fix it, and this will never happen again. That's you know. So that's the ongoing battle. So there's there's some good things that are coming out of the really really really despicable situation. This initiative is that the benefits everybody, I mean, especially the state. So yeah, yeah, you can't claim That's like if you and I say, okay, we're gonna talk about wrestling and we talk about volleyball, bad analogy, but people are going to be listening, where's the wrestling where well, well, I don't know, Jeff said, and then you say, well no, Bill said, let's talk Volleyball's so people, you know you're you're misinforming people. Except on their website they talk about state safety and citizens and and awareness and making sure that this has not been other people. So in in print and on on social media, they're they're the uh, the end all be all and trying to help people, and you know, everybody matters, and when push comes to show you're just a number and a statistic and you don't really matter to them, that's sad, but we will move on. But yeah, I know I wanted to bring that up because I saw that it's the blame game. Every it's well, it's said, it's just nobody wants to be responsible for dealing with it. But they're gonna have to be so, and I don't. I truly don't think they understand what it's done to my family. I don't and that's the problem. They don't understand what their actions have done. So can you some bill? Yeah? Yeah, And this is a really personal question. It's just to have a heck of a lot of respect for you and thank you. How hard is it to continuously take such a negative thing to happen and convince yourself that you're doing it for the betterment and you're making a difference like that. I want to know it that because you handle it really well. But that's got to be challenging to know and keep your mindset on the fact that you're making a change for everybody else so they don't have to go through the same thing that you and others have. Well, again, thank you, because, like I said, just earlier this evening, I was at a presentation that's it just every day takes me back to day one and it's very and I said it tonight when I address this group, me being in front of them and sharing and trying to motivate them and inspire them doesn't change my life one bit, no matter, And I don't mean to say this if it's going to come out wrong. No matter who we speak to and who we help and who we support, it doesn't change our situation. But then you have to realize it's not about this isn't a build demot thing. This is about making sure and this isn't a Lacy demotor, Casey demot or Billy demot. This is about our carry and it's about who she was, what she was doing, and what she wanted to do in her life. And it's very easy to curl up in a ball and go screw it. This is how we're going to deal with our journey. We're going to be worry about us and us alone. That's the one thing my family hasn't done since day one. We've made sure that carries message and mission continue and we make sure that people understand how quickly things can change and how decisions affect so many people. But to tank you every day, it brings you back to day one, man, and every presentation, whether we're speaking elementary school, middle school, high school, college pro athletes are, whether I'm an Oregon speaking to law enforcement, it brings you right back to that day. And so I feel like I'm constantly fighting that battle of get up today, do it today, and we'll worry about tomorrow. You know what I mean. It's like it truly is a bad version of Groundhob's Day. It's but then, how if you don't do that? I look at it this way as a dad. This is where you and I can really relate to this. If I don't do that, what am I showing my oldest daughter? And then one am I showing my son? Because I'm like, for me, I'm fifty seven, dude, Like all my time's gravy for now on them this earth, you know what I mean. So nothing's gonna you know, my situation is not gonna change fifty seven. I'm gonna keep moving forward. But what am I showing them how to live their life, how to treat people? All these things? You know, everything is contradictory to me on the internet. Is what I'm trying to from, you know, for my family and kids. But the simple answer is it's it's the toughest thing to do every single day. And we literally whether I just go into the office and do work to prepare for a presentation or an event, or if I'm putting a video together. If I'm putting a post, even writing the simplest post, it is just very your mind. You can't help it. You have to go to that why am I doing this? And when did we start doing this? So that's why, that's why I'm so I guess the words passionate about when I'm out there like on Twitter and I'm going after someone who's been arrested for this again and again and again, like it's not it's not an attack on an individual. It's an attack on an epidemic that that we can fix, man, And and why should everybody have to be affected the way my family has been affected? Before someone goes, oh, man, what can I do? You can't do anything. You can't ray's awareness about something we know that's no buyo. All we can do is motivate people to think about those things. So, um, yeah, it's tough. It's and especially when you deal with kids, because every every kid I see, I see my kids in their eyes and their faces. So yeah, it's h yeah, it's it's extraordinary. Sleeping is really a challenge. It's it's really a challenge. But I'll let it like this though. On that's on that down note of the tonight's episode, I am blessed and we know we're doing great things. We're doing and we here's the thing. We know. This foundation is saving wives. And everywhere I go carries with me, and I know what she's doing is making a difference so that counters not wanting to get up in the morning. That's our thing. Reach one today. So as long as we keep reaching at least one, we're gonna keep moving forward. There you go, what other what other podcasts can you? Uh? That's like Bill, every other week at least and I cried together get really emotional on this podcast. Didn't even when we started doing it. I didn't think it'd be like that. But the further you get in and you know people, Yeah, and we can always relate and somehow like we can't put ourselves in the exact situation. Yeah, but we all have things that happened in our life and it's it affects all of us for sure. Yeah. Yeah, Well, Bill, we like we said earlier, this is going to be a little bit of a fun episode because we are gonna tackle some things that the listeners wanted to to talk about. Let's go ahead and kick it off. So there's a new character who's come onto the scene. On Twitter, it's his tag is Vince Vince Mustache. That's his that's his user name, but his name at the top, said Vince McMahon's mustache. He wanted to know basically your feelings on all on Dave Meltzer's ratings of Rustlemania We go through. He wants us to go through and review Dave Meltzer's ratings. Are you game for that? Yeah, I'm game for it. I you know you and I you know my feelings on it. I don't. I don't know who who named him the Farmer's Almanac Unwrestling Achievements and Abilities and things like that. I think it's a complete farce that so many people have bought into, whether they believe it, like it or not. There's so many people who buy into it and wait for his ratings that it's made it a thing. So I to answer the question, I don't dig it. I don't believe in it. I don't know how he justifies his assessment of the talent and the matches. So but I'll yeah, I'll go down that rabbit hole all day long because I'd just come out and it gone to me. It doesn't own water. And you know, I've never met the guy, but I know who he is. I believe in the early nineties he wrote something about me in Japan when he wasn't even there to see what I did. So he just has people report to him and then he gets to be the voice of his thing, and he he rates all these matches and makes people are relevant or not in his in his wrestling bubble. So that's how I feel about it. But I want that Vince's mustache to start. FuG does he follow us on Twitter? If he files, I will follow him back. Okay, yeah, I'll tell will be buds. Yes, let him know if because you should hear the too. Obviously he's gonna I told him that we had to be answered it this week, so he should be ready for it when it comes out next week. So yeah, let's let's do it. This is not the only podcast that the listeners love hearing about this. By the way, this is a very common thing bill Uh. You know a Jim Cornett and a lot of other people talk about day's ratings. Yeah. I think the big thing for me is, let me say I do read. I have a subscription to it. You have to read it out of interest, not out of journalist journalistic news. Right, it's entertainment to me, see what I'm saying. Yeah that if it's entertainment, that it's entertainment. Right. But so you're looking at it like this is the good No all, go all, you've got a problem in mind. If this is the wrestling gospel, there's a problem. But I see where you could read it just to you know, listen, everybody has a takered opinion on the business, and that that's cool. There's nothing wrong with that. But when you're start rating it and judging it and people are holding that as the you know, the wrestling all men, that that's when it's a problem. But to read it to be entertained by it, Oh, I get it hard. Let us go ahead and let's jump into it here. So we was to start out with Night one, Austin Theory versus John Sena. He gave it two and a quarter stars. I thought it was based on does it say what he based it on? Yeah, okay, it was. It was this is exact quote. It was just there. Theory got his win over Sena, but it was a nothing match. Seeing I used the cross face theory bit his hand, Sena escaped attitude adjustment for a DDT. There was a ref bump. Sena put Theory in the STF and Theory tapped out. Sina let go in Austin Theory us a little blow atown down for the pen. That finish is so overdone. Two and one fourth stars. So is what the exact phrasing. So this man, and here's where I'm gonna go. As for people who can't see, I have my backscratcher out because I have this crazy hitch and my next size of a small fire hydrant, I can't reach it. Um. So this guy makes a living out of analyzing wrestling, yeah, and tears it down. Waston theories finishes crap and it's just Seena this. How about the fact that and we've talked about it, and we've heard other people that we follow and listened to have talked about it. That was the perfect way to start the night off. And it gets two hundred quarter of stars because who needs Sena and Furies finish and everything. Blah blah blah. So here's the match Night one of wrestle Media. Blah blah blah. A time down the refere he didn't look hit the nuts, move on to at a quarter of stars. Thank you for reading that. That's that's good stuff. Oh I'm getting mad now. And in fact, d does it always have to be a crazy freaking indianto a match? Well? Yeah, why does it have to be forty two super kicks into the whirling dervish into the Japanese steak snake runner? What happened to those matches that were sitting? What happened to uh Jake Roberts and I think it was DEVIASI with the with the bags over their head and they wrestled blind. What what do you give that match? Let's look that up. He probably gave it a one and it was amazing. But you know, why does everything to your point, why does everything have to be this this herky jerky, whirling dervish of a match to get a rated? Listening to Meltzer, it sounds like Night one was was was the ships in English? You know? The night started off like the shit? So I don't know. I watched it, you watched it. I didn't feel the same way. I don't. I think two and two and here's the thing, two and a quarter star not eet two starts get two and a quarter just because it's wrestling. Yeah, but I think it's a it's a television it's a television show for foremost, And that was another step in the story for Austin theory. Yeah, and what what you know, if we're talking about ratings, ratings were off the chart that well, okay, whatever, I'm gonna go down and I know I'm gonna feel this way the whole time. So okay, So Cina John Cena one of the greatest of all time on most Everybody's Mount Rushmore two in the quarter stars. Well you tried John, maybe maybe tried movies or commercialists, So maybe that'll work out for you. I wish Ustin theory. I think it could come across that way. By the way he wrote it, yes for sure. Yeah. And that's the other part, Right, if you read an email or text messengers the way something, but he writes it, you can take it the way you read it. But I'm I'm clearly taking it the way you read it to me. He's like, yeah, well this was it was just there. Uh uh, it was a nothing match. I think those two phrases are pretty Uh you're making down to your thoughts. Yeah, you're making a living off of men and women who do what they do better than anyone else in the world. And it's just there is that. Yeah, you know what cracks me up, And we could have gotten into it later, but I'll just get it out of the way. So I remember in the NBA, Oh gosh, who was the reporter years ago he reported that the bulls coach It was at Vinny. I don't know, but okay, So he reported that the bulls coach got fired, right, he didn't. He's actually there the rest of the season. Then he got fired. But nine months later he got fired. But you're for it that he got fired and that guy was pretty much disbarred from any credibility moving forward. Yeah, did you hear about the whole scene punk thing the last couple of weeks where Dave put something on a forum and he's like, well, I didn't leave I left out the whole injury part. Per see him being hurt. It's like, man to some of this stuff that you miss or like when he was fooled by that one promotion. They're just giving him fake news and he was reporting. Yeah, a lot of under industries, you're just done your credibilities. But he out the window, but wrestling's not that way. People find listen as long as they have something to You can't be a fan of anything anymore. You have to be a critic and you have to be and people are out there making a living off of fueling that fire. But I just think it's absolutely ridiculous that they deal with him and they treat the product that way. So yeah, it's a listen. I've yet to see him ever take a video or do a video, or get in the ring with anybody, take a bump and hit the ropes and all that stuff. Now he may say he's done it, he's got to prove it. And if I've missed it, I want to see it again. And then I'd like to see him start off night one of any WrestleMania, any pay per view, and then let John Cen or a theory rank him. But tune a quarter of stars and he's just there, just Johnson. I think my thing is. And I'll give an example. I listened to this podcast that reviews podcast and he shares advice on how to get better. His name is Dave Jackson. He's in the Podcasting Hall of Fame. Podcast Radio Good Guy a good friend of mine. But here's the back end of it. He tells you how to get better. I'll say this, Dave Meltzer has never been in the ring, but he's watched more wrestling than you and I combined, probably more than anybody. Yes, So, in his opinion as a critic, what could have made it better? What would he have liked to have seen? It's not even that it's just this sucked or this was good or this was a bad. Yeah, not even like what he would have liked. I think that's my thing sometimes, Like from an entertainment standpoint, like, then, what would you have done? Like, what would have been better? Show us they don't always go there. Yeah, show us why you're a fan or why you're making a living at this, Like if it's that bad and it's just there, then why are you doing it? If you're doing it just to be negative, to get you know, get the rating, get collect a check every week. You got a mailbox job here for crying out loud. So why not at least offer your expertise in this industry of what you would have liked to have seen? Right, there's a difference between critiquing and criticizing, But everything he does is criticizing, unless it's one of his boys, unless it's somebody who feels his spire, you know. I mean, I wanted to say that because he's he's watched more wrestling than anybody, like. Yeah, there's not many people in the world that have watched much wrestling as him. But I don't think he watches as a fan. I think he watches to tear it apart. So people go, go, oh, I wonder what melt is going to say about this. Listen, if you're getting into the wrestling business worried about what he Melted thinks about what you're doing, go do something, because you're not going to make the guy hap. On that note, we'll move on Betty's mustache Love, thanks for starting that off. Vince's mustache. Yeah, you got us down a rabbit hole here. This will be a six hour recording. So the next match was the four way match, right, we had the Vikings, Ron Struman, Ricochet, Viking Raiders sorry technically Otis and Chad Gable and then the Street Prophets. This is a four way match. This is how he sums it up. Basically, all big moves and and crowd got into it. The big pop was Gable doing a chaos theory superlex on Struman. Struman went to the top. We talked about this before he splashed it off the top, right. I try to get to the point here he's talking about how they got a couple of pops out of it. Snow Stroman ran over several people, Ricochet did a springboard shooting star Press. Then it talks about montees Horder doing his I don't want to go over the whole match again. Then he says this Ricochet and dogs penned Ricochet. Oh he's talking about it. He says, rather than build momentum, this was my turn, your turn, as in going back and forwards in the matches, he say it was my turn, your turn. We're just taking turns doing things here. He gave it three and three four stars. Sorry, I struggle getting through that one. His writing is also very uh so. The thing he treasures and holds in the highest regard is spots and Mike turn your Turn. But here he's saying, oh, it's just a bunch of Mike turn your Turn and just a bunch of He's saying, you didn't build momentum and tell a story. You just did spots, which in your point, it does appear that he likes a lot of wrestling that is spot based. Well, they he gave that one what three? What? Three? Three and three? Four? So this Blue John Cena and Austin theory out of the water, out of the water, which I thought this was. I thought this was an over We talked about this, this match over achieved. Yeah, I thought it was a good match. Well that should be good because it was better than scene in theories. So at least we're going we're getting higher. Yeah. Yeah. So he gets into the Logan Paul and Steth Throns match here, he doesn't share much of an opinion on this when it appears he just goes over. He goes to the match like we basically did last week. In short term, he gave it four and a half stars. Is a good match? Is a good match? I you know, And I don't think five stars the best match ever? Is five stars is the best, which is not anymore. But she's a half they're half a star off from being amazing. And I don't think he wants the wrath of Logan Paul. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. Yall sent him straight, you know, shut him down. Quit. But yeah, it's a pretty big following. I thought it was a great match. We talked about it. It was a great match. But I'd like that way. This is a four and a half star. I want to hear what he says about the rest of the night. Yeah, we'll go. We're gonna get into that. But like I just said, I'm glad he's resigned. He'd be good for business. Yeah. The next match was Trish Leda, Becky Verse Bailey and then Damage Control. Will just say that. He says the match was mostly pretty good, but Leda has not looked good at all on this comeback. Her selling in particular looked robotic. Lynch did a leg drop off the top on Kai for a near fall. They did near falls and says Hi did a moon slot on the top rope to the floor, leaded it a twist of fate on Sky, and Stratis did a chick kick on Kai. Leda did a moonslaught on Sky. Blah blah blah blah. He gave it two and three fours. So really, the takeaway here is he didn't think Leda looked very good. Yeah, it was are eighty good. Man lead, it didn't look good. That's how I actually phrased it. Yeah and three four stars, let's see, so we his expertise in the physicality gave him the leverage to call her robotic. Okay, but two and three four stars yeah, still higher than seen in theory. So what you're saying is that the girls have a chance. The girls a'm a chance? Okay, Okay, good stuff dain't robotic? Great word? Where do you hear that before? Like he's a guy who listens to people and then puts in his own two and three quarter stars? All right, and you know I'm gonna go to bed mad tonight, you know that? Yeah? Man? I think the mess up part is we all could he can't help but talk about it because everybody talks about it. But if nobody talked about it, there would be no story here, wouldn't exist. Where where did the right Like you and I talked about night one, and I thought we had a very fair assessment of it, very honest. When we thought we were wrong, we said we were wrong, and when we were shocked, you know, but we did he rate anybody on what they did, and we didn't talk about individual perform and that That's the thing that bothers me about this is like, where what are you watching it for? There's nothing still to this point where how many matches in and how many matches into those ratings and there's not a positive thing said yet, not a positive thing said. Yet. He didn't have much to say at all. He had a lot to say, but it was just covering the match. Yeah, he didn't throw his opinion in and on it at all. Right, so you know I don't so he you know, he copied and paste somebody else's take on it and then rates it and that that gives you the Meltzer ratings. Okay, Ray mystereo fors Dominic Masterio. He he notes here that he thought the cool They did a cool video entrance for Dominic and he talked about coming out in the police card and all that. He thought that was pretty cool. He his opinion on the rest of it's pretty vague. He did say that it was a massive pop wohint he Ray was spanking Dominique with the belt, which no doubt I think we all were popping for that. Uh. And he notes it as the end here is it felt like the end of a few not the beginning four Stars. There's are his only comments in regards to just besides covering the details four Star match going off five, I thought it did what it needed to do. I as soon as I saw a bad Bunny there, Bill, I'm like, this is not there's more to this story. Yes, father's son. Yes, they're gonna go do some business with bad Bunny good. There's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of stuff coming into it. And I think that's I think he's very strategic and what he what he says, and how he reaches things because he wants to be able to be in those events or have um the inside scoop. So the ones he thinks that that are deserving of his presence and his knowledge are the ones he's rating higher. This way, he keeps in good graces with, you know, with whoever he he deals with. And let's let's be honest, let's go let's go behind the current a little bit. Everybody should know that whether it's WWE, a w Ring of honor, New Japan, everybody leaves little things now to the media, so then they they don't take liberties with everything, you know what I mean, They'll give you a little bit of insight. Okay, let's give him a little story that they can go run with and they can be important it on and get it out in the news and all this stuff. This way, they'll protect us on the things that you know we need protected on. And so I think that's that's what happens here. But I think Meltzer's doing the reverse. He kind of four stars four in a quarter stars to people that he deems worthy so he can continue to do what he's doing. But apparently he doesn't see any any worth or any strength and sena or theory I'm gonna laugh for the next ten years as theories the future of the business. That one is still burning me now. But I believe that's that. Then it's just my opinion. I believe that's what he's doing. The people that he doesn't he can't afford to piss off. There there go your ratings. So he still has the inside track and people are still reading his stuff and putting him over for all this stuff. But I can't argue with what said about the match, because we are the same. Yeah, he's not giving you any he's not giving you anything different than so what you know, how is he at the top of this mountain of wrestling knowledge. Okay, so let's move on Bill. So the next match was Vera Ripley and Charlotte Flair. I thought, man five star match. These women are going to get a five star match. That would be kind of that's cool for them because everybody's talking about Dave Meltzer's ratings like this could be a cool moment. And this is Alli comments on. We'll just get into it. Flair was way down and wait, as she's dieting to compete for a fitness bodybuilding type show. They pushed this as a WrestleMania first, a women's match. We talked about that all women involved. An excellent match, she said, I'd say the best women's match everet WrestleMania, and probably by a significant margin. There were a few rough spots early on, but it was creative and the crowd was very into it. Then other opinions he throws out here is multiple times into it. The crowd was to end it though heat and this is where I don't really understand this statement bit. He says Flair was on the floor after the match with a big smile on her face even though she lost. I guess because she realized she was in a match with so much heat four and three four stars and a match was so much heat? No, I think it's I thought it is a storytelling. Bill, you got me exactly what it was. What does he mean by like so much heat? Like the story is that she just got her went over on her. It was a great match. So it starts to the begin. Realized it's here's what's necessary for all wrestling fans to notice, to take note of Charlotte Flair looks significantly thinner because she's competing for body building. What does that have to do wrestling in WrestleMania. Dave melts her and why why do you think you need to put that in to this conversation? And nothing about the storytelling, nothing about the both women's abilities, nothing about all that. It's the same thing you get from Little Johnny who watches it and talks on Instagram and says, I love this match and it was really good. And he's he's ten and he has more to say than this forty year veteran of the wrestling wars and he gives it four and what three quarter stars? Yeah, it was almost there, not there five story It wasn't just would have got it if they would have treated it differently, if Charlotte would have aid at Hamburger, because apparently Dave, Dave knows more than everybody else in the world, and she was worried about competing in a bodybuilding contest instead of going to steel show in front of eighty thousand people. So this is how I feel about Charlotte. Now, shame on her. She should take time off and go competing body because she's so I got nothing, man, I'm trying this. This is just this as a as a former wrestler. This pisses me off to high heavens. And it's always a shot. There's always got to be a shot. Yeah, nothing positive, there's always a shot for It was almost a five star match, but Charatte looked didn't look like he expected I guess. But I think for me is how he defines the ending, like realizing that she was in a match. Was so much heat, that's why she was doing smiling and clapping and stuff. I never thought of it that way. I just thought this is part of the story. I still don't time there will be a next time. I'm trying to imagine all that, so much heat and that's why she was sitting on the fourth smiling and shaking her head like like I just said to me, it was you got me this time. There will be a next time. Yeah, that's how I took it, like taking the moment, girl, you got me instead. No, I don't know. Oh hated king close. I don't think I heard anybody talk about that part of the review. And that was the biggest thing to stuck out to me. I never thought when I saw her doing that that she was just so happy because of the heat. I'm sure, yeah, cool, but it's also part of the story. Yeah, And never once did I look at Charlotte like, let's pull everybody, everybody listening through the experience. It doesn't matter how many weeks until you listen to this, it doesn't matter. Be catch up. When I want everybody to go on our stuff, our social media between Jeff and I, go on, go on the website, leave us a message. I want to know everybody's thoughts. What was the first thing you thought when you saw Charlotte, Oh, no, she's depleted. She must be going into a bodybuilding It was captivated. Both entrances. You're captivated. That match had everything you wanted in it. It also had a big match filling and if you're not going to give that a five star rating in your grand scheme of things, then your duck is twisted. He has no skin in the game with Charlotte or Rhea. So he came close. Girls, it's the best, could be the best women's match in the history of the world. Happy he still fell short because he said, BIPs even Brian, last, do you ever listened to the Gym Cornett experience? Last, Brian, Brian the Great Brian Least. He even said he went as far to say, and he's watched a lot of Japanese stuff too, that it was the greatest match women's match in North America ever, ever, But Dave saying WrestleMania ever, bar barn none. Go spend hours, spend weeks, spend years, do your history, watch every tape, go back and forth, and barn none. Those girls, those women toward the house down to where I've never heard anybody say that couldn't have been the main event. It very well should have been the main event, everything up and down the line, but I've never heard anything at could have been better. In Charlotte, you know, was depleted Okay, as long as I make you smile, that's all I care about. It did, but the end, just the ends, what kind of made me upset. I just don't get into that conclusion. Yeah, it's always the five star match to me though, And the next thing actually cracked me up. He rated the Miss and Pat McAfee. I guess I never thought of it as even a ratable thing. It's more just a moment for me. But nevertheless, he gave it a star and a half. He doesn't He just says not much here. Basically, he notes that tiny Balls was chanted. He took this as an actual match that was worth rating. I just thought it was a moment. Yeah, I get it. It was a official match, I guess from Snoop Dogg. But he gave it a stuff. It's close to Austin theory and John Cena though. Bill So, one of the highest talked about things in both nights were the Miss segments with the star power and the things that he did, and you know, and so he felt that needed to be rated. And here were the I'm pretty sure this means that he was canceled off the Pat McAfee show. That's all I'm getting out of that, which is a but then goodness he rated it, so at least we have we have something to build on though Oh my gosh, yeah, that was a weird way to spend energy. Kevin, Okay, the main event, the main advent, let's see here. And trying to pick out anything that he makes a comment on. He talks about how Corey Graves brought up how Owen's and Zane made history, but they didn't acknowledge any of their work previously in p W. G Uh. He noted that, see if I can find out other things here that he noted, there was a reference made to l Generico, which I don't even I don't even catch that, to be honest, maybe I was just so into the match. Zane kicked out of the one D and they really pushed how nobody's ever done that in history? See here, there was a huge spot for the finish post match celebration. He goes to the match in detail, and uh, there's five it's a five star match, which I don't mind him going just through it. But like I said to me, it's a it's an opinion piece. It's just strange when he doesn't share much of his opinion on why to me, Yeah, on the radio on their podcast version, they I mean, he talks in detail, but he's not a very good talker. He's a worse than I am somehow, and I'm not even good at all. But he didn't throw much in as far as comments. But five star match and Bill, I I five star match to me, Yeah, sure, I mean it. I was so into it. I thought there's two five star matches in a row. I thought yeah, and I I thought, okay. I thought he's gonna five star the girls. Maybe he'll four and three four stars this main event, but maybe they'll both get five stars. To your point, if it would have been the opposite, you almost don't have anything to say to that. But to your point, throughout this whole first night of him reading it, he offers nothing. But if you're talking about an el generical reference and why they didn't talk about PWG, you weren't invested in that. You're not watching it for the same reason everybody else is watching it. You're watching it to pick it apart and do here's what they did wrong, and here's what they missed here. Why would they talk about that? Why because the boys talked about it in the post. You know Mania thing. You know, when they won titles, they talked about it. So I don't know, You're right, there's no there's no opinion or rhyme or reason for what he says. He just says things, and so it's I don't know. I'm fine with the five star. I agree, Yeah, I don't disagree with the with the rating, you just have to justify the rest of it. Now, this is actually Bill, historically speaking, this is a pretty right, a high rated WrestleMania for Dave. We'll go on to night two NIX, but let's just say WrestleMania event. Will consider Night one an event because that's what we're doing. Okay, pretty high ratings compared to what I've seen historically. But there are a lot, there are some critiques and as you would say, jabs throw it in there. Yeah, to end it, Bill actually kind of starts it off, but I'm going to end it with it. He does this where all the people eligible voting will do so, and they will answer, of course, various different things, one of them being thumbs up, thumbs down, thumbs in the middle. Four hundred and forty two Dave Meltzer voters voted all of them one hundred percent thumbs up on the whole night, on the whole night, the Wrestling observer people who vote, So if everybody who voted gave it, there's one single vote that was yeah, there wasn't one that wasn't in the middle or down. And they were all five stars. And yet we have, i mean not five stars, all thumbs up. We have things rated from one and a quarter to five instead of just getting instead of Dave Meltzer giving the whole first night of WrestleMania a five star event, which then you're going, then I'm saying, Okay, I'll listen to this. There's still no opinions, there's still no backing of your your choices and all these things. So I don't understand you know that this is what I said. And I'm not saying I don't know staying Dave, you know, screw you. I'm saying, I don't understand where you're coming from, and I don't understand why it's being held in such regard. Were people. Here's the bad thing. Younger wrestlers and younger people trying to get the business are holding this as the wrestling gospel, and they're saying this is how they're going to be determined if they're going to be worthy or famous or make a living at this or anything. If that's what you're going by, do not listen to this because if you're not watching it for the for the sake of being a fan and then learning something in the process, great, But if you're reading this, why would I ever wanted to watch anything that Pat McAfee of The Miss does ever again? Why would I care? Why if the highest ratings in months are when John Cena is on TV, why would ever watch John Cena? Because you got two a quarter star, I mean nothing, four gave it thumbs up. Then there's further breakdown. These same people devoted best Match poll the usos and versus Owens and Zane yet two hundred and thirty seven votes, which I was kind of surprised that it wasn't because the Ria Ripley and Charpe Fleer got one hundred and sixty eight. I thought it'd be a little bit closer. Yeah, But nevertheless, both Great ram Mysterio and Dominique got twenty three votes, and then seth Rawlins and Logan Paul got eleven votes for the Best Match let's go into the worst now. Pat McAfee and them Is got one hundred and eighty two votes. Austin Theory and John Cena got one hundred and twenty eight. Then Leda and lanch Stratus for damage control at fifty two, and that is puts a bow on the Wrestling Observer recap for Night one. Well, I feel like you and I watched the different show, but it's always always good information for people. Can't see my phace right now, I'm just rolling my ass rolling. I needed that. Okay, it's going back to the worst match moment as he calls it. The show needs that moment, like we don't want to automatically turn around and then go into another epic battle here. Yes, it gave us some time to take it in and how great that match just was. But yet get popped up for the main event. Yeah, and you get to see Pat McAfee, who's who's very very famous. Show was built big stoop dog. The first night of WrestleMania was built so strategically correct in my opinion, that it was just and to everybody's credit and gave every four hundred and forty two people thumbs up because they saw the same thing we saw. They say they saw the same thing the wrestling world saw, But they say they saw the same thing that all the podcasters saw and everything we talked about. So these other ratings to me are just insignificant. And why you know, because now when you're asking people what's the worst, what's this? Now you're looking for answers to not people are gonna give them to you. Well, here's how my vote counts. I'm gonna make that the worst match of the thing. Well, then we're, like I said, I'm taking this personally as a wrestler, not as a as a fan like Katie then followed as a fan. This stuff that he writes. But four hundred and forty two people thumbs up for Night one, That's that's what I hold onto. Yeah, it was great. It was great night. We'll go in to day two here. Obviously the show kicked off the brock Lesner and your boy almost almost He notes here the place went nuts when Lesner hit his first German suplex. Yes, yes, the did, because that's a big moment every Lesner match. It was very careful, but it was simple, obvious, and it did work. Three stars if five stars is supposed to be the best match ever. Maybe then okay, it's still better than John Theory. Okay, so I'm gonna put you on the spot right now. Night one, opening match night too, honest as you can be. Just tell me which one was the better match for you to open each show? Did you like seeing a Theory or did you like Lesner almost? Which one stood out to you more as a as a wrestling match as a wrestling fan. Let me say this, the first night's first match did because obviously I like Austin theory and development. I'm not a wrestling guru, but I know more than maybe a casual fan will say casual fans yeah uh to me. So that was a big moment for me and John Cena's back brock Lesner. I always loved watching brock Lesner, but this had an even worse build up than the John Cena one did. And I'm not to me like almost has just been defeated and he's never any appointment in me, been something unbeatable force. Yeah, I agree. So the fact that brock Lesner beats him like, okay, well, at least we got a few moments. I get that he nailed him with the German suple x n F five. I was happy, but better match, yeah at Night one was a better match. Yeah yeah, So we got our brock Lesner rover. That's that was the takeaway from me. It was we got a brock Lesner moment, which which I'm always happy for. But that's all we got, and and we said it. That was a great way to start night too. There you would say this, you know I'm not done yet. This is where I'm gonna get. This is where I'm gonna see if you agree with me. The first night's match was simple to me, yep, but overdone, he says. The second night's match, he notes it for being good, for being simple. Okay, you didn't say that about the first night, but the first night that match to me was simple. John Stan and Austin theory has a simple match, something that people could follow, sink their teeth into watch and get ready for an amazing mac. I thought the same thing with Brock and almost get you people invested, let them follow it. Tell that story, simple story, start the night. But there's clearly a three quarterstar difference here, Okay. Rondo ralsy Shanna Baesler, Raquel Rodriguez, liv Morgan, Chelsea Green, Sonny Deville, Natalia Shotsky, he goes at this The match was obviously Rodriguez play powerhouse. Yeah, that was her moments because she's a prhouse. So I didn't disagree with that at all when I read that when all Right does the same much else and he just goes over the match and talks about Ronda Rowsy tagging in, putting on the arm bar two and a half stars two. So it's better than the jut seat. That's where I'm billing the whole time. That's where I'm gonna go the whole time. So that match would not a lot to say or opinions about. That match was still better than favorite WrestleMania match, by the way, I agree, but I'm not knocking anybody. I love seeing the tie. I love that moment. Man. It's not as probably at least favorite match. It's not a dig on any of the women. And no it was in a hurry. Still they still beat seen in theory. Okay, who's next? That's I I ain't got nothing next. I don't know. Uh so you know who's next is Gunther triggered back and Tire and Shamus. This was a hard any match the crowd went nuts for. It was very clear the fans were into the story of Shamus wanting to win the one title he hadn't won yet. We talked about that as well. Yeah, yeah, we talked about it on the pre and after. So we'll see what else he goes into. Deed, he going through the match talking about how hard it is, which I think we all took that away right, talks about the near falls. There were a lot of near falls where the match could have ended. It had you on the edge of your seat. Ultimately, there's not any words that say this is an amazing match, maybe one of the best matches ever. But he notes about how they hugged. Shamus and McIntyre hugged after the cameras went off. It's a five star match. I can't disagree with the five star match. I can't either. I just it goes back to your your point, where's the like, let us sit on something that we didn't see, Like, give us something, give us your opinion of why it was the five far match. We everybody knew it was hard hitting, hard hitting. The fans were into it. Yeah, the whole world knew it. It was on every news station was on every everything, everywhere, So okay, good, you got that one right, five star match? Yeah? What made it different from other five star match? You know that. That's kind of my when you have five star matches, I'd like to think that there was something about it a little bit different from another match. Why this is a five star match? And then go into your explanation, not just what you're just critiquing his critique, King, Yeah, and then let's put it. After the match was over and the cameras were off, they up, who gives a Tanker's dam talk talk about the match? Don't give me that insider. Oh I saw what he did during commercial. I don't five star match. That's what I'm holding them. Bianca Belle, Layer and Oscar we know how this played out. Bianca Beller with the win. Solid match. He gave it three and three four stars. He doesn't make any comment and this short review here on his newsletter except for Biller had a great entrance. It was great in anything else. Yeah, he goes of the match, which I mean he goes to the match, that's what he always does. But there's no other comments made. I'm not going to argue at the rating. No no, I thought it was a good match. It's a good match. What's this move on? Shane McMahon. The Snoop dogg beat the This was what it was. Obviously, the plan was for Shane to win quick, but he blew out his quad on elite frog. He tried to get up, but he collapsed. Normally in this situation it would be horribly awkward and time would stand still. And at first it was horribly awkward. The ref got the direction and Snoop Dog decked miss. The crowd actually thought this was the plan. I wasn't in a crowd. I can't speak for that, but I didn't think then the direction was the next punch. Then the direction was given to give them the next punch, YadA, YadA, YadA. He delivered one of the worst people's elbows in history and got the pen one star purely. This is noted purely for how well they did to save I'll tell you what. The elbow part wasn't the worst he nailed that were in the ropes was the worst is rather, the rope is worst without elbow. He dropped that thing. Man, he stiff if you so, and you and I talked about this, right, so apparently he hates them is and anything that happens and these things, and he's rating these little segments as matches. But there's an opportunity here to not rate this segment, but to put over the fact how everybody was professional. You and I watched it from TV. Apparently Dave was in the front row of the audience and watching audience participation in their reactions instead of looking at what really was going on there. Because I think what he said and what we watched were two different things. I just I feel like there's a disconnect from what he's describing and what we saw. I didn't one time though. That is the worst people's elbow I've ever seen. I popped from hitting the ropes. I popped from dropping the elbow. He look for the thing, he found his glasses, all that improv all the things had happened. I thought it was amazing, and yet he listen, Hey, one star, thanks for coming and let me tear down the guys who literally made chicken salad out of chicken poop. I don't like, I don't know what he's watching, and apparently he was there there because I didn't think the people thought it was How do you say, the first punch was he said he decked him, and then how'd he describe it or what? Then he got direction again to do it again or something, and it was weak or people didn't. Yeah, first it was horribly awkward. Snoop dog decked Miz and the crowd actually thought of this was planned. The direction was, he was given the direction for the next bunch knock him out. Then he says he was delivered the worst elbow or whatever, but he gave it a star purely for they save. Well, damn it, Snoop, you gotta get better, Snoop, you got no future and professional wrestling better, not even in sports entertainment. Hang it up. I would have probably put thrown in here that we were lucky to have Snoop Dogg there, that's pretty cool. How about that? How about let's put over the miss Let's look at it. Let's look at it for what it was like. If you're going to pick it up, park, Let's let's truly pick it apart and put it put over what what actually happened in front of us on live worldwide TV. But hey, one star is better than no stars. You're on the map, kid, Snoop dogg. Keep it up, You'll be something someday. Okay. He does have some interesting comments here with the Helena Sell metro about the cover, Edge and Finn Balor. The crowd was very buzz for this. Edges entrance played up the Breed, but the decision was made not to use Gangrel in the presentation. And while Brood was t talk tabled about, he said tabled about. I don't know, they didn't call him Brood Edge. Baylor was all dressed up like the demon, but unlike bray White. Okay, okay, let me give this right. Baylor was dressed was all dressed up like the demon, but unlike with bray Wyatt, he did not have superpowers nor did he win. Well, it's important to note that was important to note. In the review bill he comments how the fans wanted tables at two minutes in. He then he picks up on he used Christian's move right, which we saw that called to kill switch. What was he called before that, like in Famer or something or Unfamer don't I don't know, but he does note he gives Cootage the credit to Edge there, I mean Christian fore Edge, Edge was bleeding about the right eye, but it was not bad. Then Edge there a ladder at Baylor's face and split the back of Baylor's head open badly. The blood was everywhere, and medical personnel got into the ring. Because Baylor's makeup, the blood wasn't that visible on his head, but you can see the spots of blood all over the mat. The match was stopped and they just shot Edge standing there, which was awkward as hell. Finally they administered the cut and stapled it closed it right in front of the live crowd. Baylor then made a comeback. Then he goes through. They went through several more minutes, but it did not appear they were speeding through the rest of the match. Whis true. They did do a pretty good job. I mean, you could have tried to get out of there after that significant injury. So he brings up a good point there. He says Edge destroyed him with the kindlesticks. Then the concerto, it was three and three four stars. It's really the biggest critique here. We threw in a bray wyat knock and apparently that he thought a gangrel would be there. The fans wanted tables, and he talked about the same thing we all have with the injury, so he so he's coming from the everybody who can't see this. The Finger quotes The Insider The Insider News. I knew why I heard that Gangrell was gonna be there, but they decided against not what a great entrance, splitting the songs up the whole thing, Finn Boaler's entrance. But clearly he doesn't have the superpowers of bray Wyatt, don't I didn't quite get that the bray Wyatt dig um the superpowers. And then he also threw it that he didn't unlike ray Waite, he didn't win. That was kind of a weird knock. Uh where was that knock back at the first match that was impacted? Where was that knock because he did briefly mentioned Bobby lastly earlier that he came out. What do he made that he when he didn't rate that one or the Hall of Fame segments. But no, my point was I thought that bray Wyatt uh comments would come out in the match that he heavily impacted the whole not even the brock Lesser thing, because we heard that that wasn't going to happen. But or when Bobby Lashley came out or but instead we threw it in on the with with Finn Balor here just threw it. I get Gray Wyatt and the lack of superpowers of Finnbala. Yeah, yeah, I do hope Gray Wyatt, whatever you guys going on, he gets better. Yeah, but yeah, it's three and three four stars did have some awkward moments. Yeah, I'm not sure what I would do. You know, Bill, what have you done before when somebody's had a significant injury in the matter. Have you been in the scenaria with this match had to stop? Yeah? Yeah, I mean you you have two You have two options there you you you take it home right then and there, or you figure out what the what the what's really going on? I had the time, and I told you like this, you see this spot, lad, right, I got scalp. So Jimmy Hart was had the wherewithal to every whatever scenario was where I back out with the towel, I' trying to stop it. There's still but that you you're talking about a twenty year difference too, and the way things are handled now, right, So let's let's not forget all that the safety aspect of this thing. Like you didn't know until you saw the pictures afterwards, you didn't realize how bad that was. So I think it was the right call. And the fact is just stopped Edge standing there. I think it's a ridiculous statement because I think Edge did a great job of taking the focus off of and again we're watching it from a TV point of view. Apparently he's giving it right from the heads up on the floor watching this thing, and he's not appreciating the work that's going on to keep this thing going. Otherwise, if you don't have the wherewithal to understand or what to do in that scenario, the match was over and then the people would have been mad. In my opinion. You know, it's the same thing with the snoop and Shane mcmannon all that. If you didn't do those things, the people would be more apt to be, oh, you know all this stuff, then he's got a gripe. But I don't think there should be a gripe here. A lot of people were mad because they because of the premise of Elna cell, they didn't think it should be stopped because things happen in the cell that shouldn't happen normal, right, So that I as a fan, you even understand that, well, then what's the rules? But I don't think he was listen. I thought I thought it was Again, I looked at it differently. I looked at as well done. They still continued it. I'm sure it wasn't what anybody perceived that going into it, what it was going to be like. But I definitely didn't think it was too awkward. I thought, and here's the thing, by the way, it was real. They stayed in the damn k the sill too. It was it was real, like that was happening in front of you live. It was real. That was really happening. It wasn't the It wasn't the old leap prop. Oh I heard my knee, let me bait the guy in and then I, you know, then I jack him up. That was real. So I think people were invested in that, and I think that you go back to Cole and Graves and they told that story. So I think for for the wrestling match and that what it was. I think I think it was okay. Now they hate he gave him three and three quarters stars? What did he give the girl from the first night? Three and three quarters stars? Which which girls are you talking about the eight they eat woman? Oh you're talking with with Tris Dradison. Yeah, well yeah, what do you give the sick ye two and three fourth? Who do you? Oh? So I thought he gave one of the women three and three quarters? Was it the four teams Rondo rousing him? Who got the four three and three quarters? He did give the three and three quarters to the four way men's men's match any Toronto rousy he gave a two and a half. Okay that match. I shouldn't remember which one get the three and three quarters. I thought it was a good match. I don't. I don't, Yeah how I would rate that, But I did. I disagree with the the you know, the the synopsis of the match, because the the Mick Foley Match for all intense purposes stopped. Yeah, they were doing stuff, uh, but I mean it's stopped. I mean they get Terry Funk ran out there try to buy time, like the match stop, to make sure that he was able to go on. Probably shouldn't have, but I did the whole cart saying, cart saying, But the match stopped for a while, I mean, and then but the people were invested in what was going on, not having someone like listen for someone who didn't watch wrestle meaning and then read these reviews and all this stuff. They're going, ah, not really, I'm not feeling it, but like to your point, here comes the backward dick. What does bray Wyatt have to do with this? What does what does gang Grell have to do this? Why do we need that insider stuff? Why do we need to throw that in? Like I've got knowledge of this and he's not superpowers like bray Witch. So it just made Finn Balor a complete fart. That's that's that's what I get from reading you know, from listening to that and bray White. It sucks evidently for that end of the match. By the way, Finn balls a fart. Brewidson, Let's go to the main event. You and I talked about how this had a huge, big match feeling, yeah, huge, and he starts it off by saying, on one hand, this was a great, nice slow build into the end, well placed. It wasn't only the question of Rain's winning, but more this felt like the exact same thing they did with Drew McIntyre, Kevin Owen, Sammy Zane with the ref bump and layers of interference. If you're compared this to a book or a movie, it would be doing the exact same chapter with the exact same fight scene, just with different people over and over. At the at least very the script. Rhodes came out and talked, you talked about a hugging his family. That was a really new moment. I see what he's saying here. He thought it was kind of the scripted out. I'm just trying to get out. I'm trying to compare what he's saying here. Taking stuff that you do before and doing it over again, just with different people basically is what he noted for this. He says, this was actually a basic part of an MMA match, and then boy, it didn't work for this crowd since the Rain had so many wins. The way it's back using the guillotine. That was a moment where, you know, roads like a UFC fight was on top, throwing punches down. The crowd was going in a frenzy here. Then they we had the ref pump rains hit the Superman punch. See if I can get to anything else he's there. Oh, they got a giant reaction when the US has hit the ring, and then the Kevin Owens Sammy Zan came out, said there was a huge reaction, which you could tell by watching at home. It was Rains then hit the got the pen with spear, he said, when the when the ref hit three, there was actually a big baby Face pop since enough of the fans were winning the Roman Rains to make the pop. But you could also see a lot of fans stunned and unhappy and then head into the exits immediately there was a four and a half star match treating here. Sorry, has a lot of extra stuff in here, but okay, I want so, I'm gonna He kind of critiqued that. He kind of critiqued they pushed how Dusty Rhodes won titles with that move. Rhodes did use that move at times, but it was more of an idea using Rick Flair's to move on Rick Flair. That's really about anything else there. Okay, I'm gonna turn the tables. I'm gonna be YOUU be me? What do you think of that description? Honest, don't hold anything back. Did he do that? Did he do that? Match? Justice? By his synopsis, it was a great match, but it was not a great match, sort of writing, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I think I think port taking to note here is how significant he notes how significant the reactions are. But to me, that's not a negative thing. No, I don't. I don't find that part the negative thing. But there's always that. It's like when you're talking to someone but you have to throw it down. But I feel like there's no he's not telling us anything we didn't see, which is okay if you're just talking about the night, but there's got to be these insider things, the UFC thing that because now the you know, the sale and all this stuff, so you've got to acknowledge all these things. It gives him the inside track over the casual fan. He's got the inside. He's telling us there's a big pop for Zane and Owens. We saw that. Give me, give me. The whole thing comes back to how we started. Give me your professional critiques of this WrestleMania weekend. Don't give me that match from being five stars? Yeah, why was that? The MAXI clearly drove WrestleMania. The biggest storyline that you could say in the history of the business is the bloodline in Roman reigns. So the tag match gives five stars the night before, but the head of the table and Tody Rhodes the biggest build coming into it. Hey, good effort. The scenario and the wrestling. Wrestle Mania Day two break down from the listen of Zerber Team or fans and everybody jah So WrestleMania Day two thumbs up, it was sixty five point four percent two hundred and twenty seven thumbs down. It was thirty seven people, which is ten point seven percent, thumbs in the middle eighty three which is twenty three point nine which is which is interesting because my Twitter poll was even worse with the thumbs down. But that to me was because they didn't they parely didn't like the ending that pissed them off, that the story made them that mad that they didn't like the Indians. So I was fine with that. I mean, I thought that was awesome, right, And I think and Night two started out jaded with the story of selling the company and Vince being back in charge. So I think a lot of people, well I think a lot of that may have played in. I don't know, but I guess i'd make it a sure bet of You're absolutely right. I think people were upset with the outcome of the main event. But I think a lot of people were were being swayed into the fact that all the companies sold and all this other stuff and now you know, now what's going to happen. So I don't I don't know. But there's a big difference between Night ones and Night two. There's a difference, yeah, for sure. So breaking it down, best Matchpole Gunther and Shamus McIntyre at two hundred and thirty two, Roman Reigns and Cody Rhoads got one hundred and one, only two matches to receive votes. Okay, well, I mean more than double though for the Gunther, Shamus and McIntyre match, so people were really into that. Yeah. Worst Matchpole goes to Snoop Dogg versus them Is Verse Shane McMahon one hundred and forty six votes, Women's four team match one hundred and thirty one, brock Lessner versus almost twenty seven, Roman Reins Verse Coot hero Its twenty five. So it didn't it had twenty five votes for the worst match and hundred and one for the best es. That's that's got to purely be out of emotion though, right, I think, yeah, I think you're you're right on the right on the button with that. I think it was the the build and everything he was, had the story, you know, finished the story, and they got the people, man, And I think that's a good I think that's a good reaction to that night because because if you look at it and and I listen, and you and I talk about this, and you know, I listened to the Busted Open guys and I'm a big fan of of Bubba and those guys anyway, but they broke down the numbers, as did on the following night on Raw. So did ww all the numbers that they did. They broke every record in the book, social media, YouTube, uh, live streams, all these things. So clearly it was a success business wise, industry wise. Oh but without a dalla hey, but you have those people. I liked those numbers on night too because of the outcome of the Cody Roman match, so that one, you know, you don't get fired up about that, you know. The thing that, you know, the topic of the night still was from Vince's mustache, was what do we think about the rating? And I don't know how that doesn't get a five star rating. That story was impacted so much so that it made everybody mad. I mean, it clearly didn't have the heat that Charlotte Riah had, but it had, you know, some kind of Oh, I definitely had a lot of heat. And like I said before, it had a big bite feeling to me, every really did it. Yeah, And I think that that those whatever the people were thinking they were, they were voting with their heart and they got suckered in and they got disappointed and they said, I hate that. But I guaranteed not one person turned it off. No, I'm not going to disgrace you there. I doubt anybody did. What's to move on. We have a couple of things. We got to get to Bob Orton's cast. We don't want to give our guy Bob Morton's cast out Bob Orton's cast. He says, Bill, how do you feel about the comments that Bret Hart recently made about today's wrestling? Is there's two sides of this. What people are saying Bret Hart has a great point or he is a grumpy old man. So if so, give me give me an example, because I know he was very critical of the product. Right, let me go you through some of the things he did an interview. Where was that at h N Live. He was actually promoted his son's own wrestling show promotion in Calgary. They kind of have like a branch off of a new like Stampede, you know what I mean. Yeah, So these are some notable quotes here. The headline actually starts with I really roll my eyes at how pathetic wrestling is today, and I'll go through them here. Here's what the hitman had to say. It's all more about the glitz, the introduction, going out of the rink and going onto the ramp, lights and fireworks. All that's great and I love all that stuff too. And it's almost like a different world than a wrestling that my dad used to put on. It was very black and why in the sense it was going to be good guys a bad guys. I just think the old kind of wrestling is missed a lot by people. It's like, you know, if the old wrestling was around, like my dad's wrestling, we come see, we'd come see a sort of thing. I'm trying to advise my son Dallas and help him deliver the kind of wrestling show that I would enjoy watching more. You know, where the wrestler actually knows what a headlock is, rather than sort of doing a scripted ballet of leaping and twirling and dancing around like a bunch of ballet dancers. I don't really enjoy today's wrestling for those reasons. They've lost a lot of steps towards the reality and credibility of wrestling. Wrestling always, in my opinion, needs to needs to be pretend to be real. It needs to pretend really hard to be real. Always has pretended really hard, almost to the point that you believe it's real. I think wrestling is so far fetched today when I think ww For example, I see twenty wrests, I see twenty wrestlers crowd together outside the ring on the floor, and some guy runs over and dives over the top rope and knocks all of them down like bowling pins. I really rolled my eyes that how pathetic wrestling is today, from top to bottom, all the top wrestlers and all the middle bottom wrestlers aw slapping their thighs and legs on every punch, to the point where I can't watch wrestling today. Sadly, it's getting to phony. A really question the direction that people that are in charge. I don't know this article talks about it, but he also at one point made comment about he referred to him as Dan Ambrus, but John Moxley in the match where he was shoving a fork into the opponent's head for five minutes, he kind of knocked that too. But I think you get the gist of what the question is here and what Bret Hart said. So some so the question do I think he's being a grizzled old guy? What are your thoughts on the people saying that he has a good point and to some people saying he hasn't be he's a grizzled old guy. I think he has. And this is just again right, so it's wrestling is an opinion. You're talking about one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. But what were So I'll backtrack it with another question and go, well, what were the people saying about Brett when he came in That wasn't his father's wrestling either. The is this evolves? Right? So it evolves. Now he's made some great points. I'm not all late. I I really don't care for the leg slapping and all that other stuff. That was a great point, you know, but if if you're such if you're dead set again it's the business and where it's going, it's not believable, it's not worth it, then why would you let your son get involved and go down this road, Because if he wants to be successful in this business, he's going to have to adapt to what's going on now. Otherwise he's going to be in that group of people who tried to reinvent the business and didn't do anything. We're always trying to reinvent the business, except this is where the business is going. Now. Maybe there's a point where it gets back to a little bit more of that reality based thing. But look at you can't say that about the match that Shamus Gunther and Drew lad you. So I feel like, while there were some good points to leg slapping and you know, all these all these things, but at the same point, I think these were the same things that were being said about Brett and that generation when we were coming in, how the old timers felt what we were doing and how we were doing it right, because every every evolution of the business, there's always more glitz and glamor and always more and let's face it, nobody's calling it professional wrestling anymore, right, it's sports entertainment and it's gone a whole different way. And if it's that bad and people aren't invested, we all have an opinion on that. But you just sold the company for nine point one billion dollars. If we're talking business, then talking business, if we're talking about the trajectory and what's happening in the business, I'm sure we could all sit and go. I don't really care for what's going on now, So I think he has valid points, but I also think he's not building up. He's not helping to build up the business either, and I don't want to. Is this will get me in trouble and I don't want to. But if someone was going to paint to be on one of those two shows, I bet he goes. And if he goes, he's going to represent that old school mentality and the brit aren't that we all know and love. So that's that's the options, right. But you're not going to reinvent. You're not going to bring it back to that because that didn't work, and that's why we kept advancing. I remember Undertaker having six guys standing outside when he did the dives over the top, So you know, so you can compare that Ricochet dive with six guys to the same thing with Taker, because I was one of those guys catching him, you know. So it's it's I think he has valid points on what some of the things are doing. I think there's a lot of overkill. But I think so I think people can go either way. He can either be you know that, like people say that grizzlo Veterans just doesn't like the direction, but he's got some great points. I don't think he's grizzled. I just think that that's his opinion on it because he's always been a wrestling based guy, you know, he's he's always known that guy. So that's what he that's what he holds tight two and that's what he holds dear too. So I don't think he's wrong. I just I always believe, you know, there should be a little positivity in there somewhere. This is to me, this is vintage Brett Heart, kind of very direct. The delivery of his comments is always like a dagger stabbing. Yeah, I think I should. I don't know Brett Hart, obviously, I've never even met him, but I assume that's how he is as a person. To a certain extent. Yeah, us his personality brutally on a sort of guy's gonna tell it, tell you how it is, how he feels right or wrong at any point in time. He brings up great points like you said. I think the spot comment was good. Dancwer like ballerinas, I get what he's saying, their leg slaps. Yeah, but you brought up the ultimate point here. Wrestling, just like everything else in life, evolves. Let me give you an example. We don't often say like and we do. We don't. We don't make them like they used to be made. Cars. Well, you wouldn't. You wouldn't want to be driving around some of the first cars that were made on the interstate today. But it'd be cool to have. Sure, Yeah, it'd be cool to have, but you couldn't use it like you could. We've evolved, you know, and I think it's important to do that. And Disco Inferno, I mean a comment on keeping It one hundred where he was talking about how wrestling is not growing, the fan base is not growing. It's a lot of the same people that have been watching it. And I disagree with that because I think it's in WWE specifically, what I'm saying this has become global. Yeah, I think there was always some European and it, but they're it. This is an India, Saudi arape This is a global operation now. So I think it is growing and that's going down another rabbit hole, but it kind of connects to this point of evolving, like you said, is absolutely critical one. I think. Yeah, I didn't mean to cut you off. If you're looking at it as the United States, they may be down to numbers at the events, but this is a global business in Europe in it to your point, in Indian, Dubai and all these other places. I mean, the fans are growing and if they work, why are people paying such ridiculous money and still going to these things? I think the money, Bill, here's the thing. They are consuming it. Bill, When did you stop wrestling? Stop actively wrestling in two thousand and four? But was there was no real YouTube? Then? Nope, Bill, they're watching this shit on other stuff. Yes, YouTube has freaking huge numbers for days. They are consuming it. But this is how this is how stuff is consumed. People don't need to turn on the television and watch it live anymore, right, and they know they can catch up to it. You hear everybody from you and I and everybody who podcasts and talks about wrestling in the business. Like, if you miss it on Monday, you know you can watch it Tuesday morning. If you have something come up, you have a family of burdency, you have an engagement, you know you can catch up to it the next day. You can be not only story, leatch up to the key points. Bill yees, you need to watch the whole damn thing. Yes, you can be. You can. You can catch up on everything that's going on and not missing beat. So to say it's not growing is insane. And I think I think Glenn or Disco he just says some things to get some like he lives on the heat magnet anyway. But yeah, no, like he entertained it. But I disagreed with that. Yeah, I disagree with the Well just think about that that. I mean, this does have hundreds of like it has millions and millions and millions a week. That far if you count that, Yeah, I far out exceeds anything we did during Money and I Wars. It exceeds all of that. If you throw in all this extra content. You haven't see him now and Bill, when they sell the company bill and when they talk about how successful WrestleMania was, what did they talk about? They threw social media in there. The numbers were outrageous. That's and you don't think that was a part of them selling the company for over nine billion dollars. Yes, YouTube, social media. Peacock said, you know, business is down for you guys, but we'll give you a format. Let's see how it works out for you. People are cash and checks in this business about this business. So that's I think that DM with you. The statement is is U doesn't hold any water at all. But with the bread thing, I think you can take it either way. I think it's a little bit of each. I think I don't think. I know, I could be guilty of the same thing because I go, oh, you know this worked better, but this is doing this and you know so always when you look back, your generation was the best generation of it because we outdid the generation before us. So when we look back and now I look back with these guys and go, you could really be nitpicky, or you could simply say, these freaking athletes and the stuff they can do now is ridiculous. I would like to see less of the leg slap and things like that, but apparently it's the forehead. Yeah, and people are buying it because for years people paid to see Abby stick a fork in Carlos Cologne's forehead for five minutes straight. You know. So you got guys who are bringing back some old elements of the business and trying to adapt him into this. It's a niche. It's a niche proud that watches it and digs it. But you're for your wrestling purists, it's it's not the it's not the thing they'd like to see. So I I guess I'm taking I'm I'm sitting in the middle of the fence and say I see both sides of that. Yeah. I can only count on my hand from me. He's very direct, very blunt, very non emotional about it, like and this sucks. I can count on my hand how many times I've heard him give what I would consider only positive comments in a situation. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the way it is. He's one of the best wrestlers ever. But yeah, definitely he has a strong opinion and he stays with it. Last questions, then we'll wrap up here. Winter Hale, my good friend, Winter Hale on Twitter. That's her working name, Winter Hale, Winter Halms. That's her wrestling working name on Twitter. Yeah, wrestling so much. That's her wrestling name, Winter Hanter hal like Hill. It's cool, cooler than anything I could probably come up with. Uh So, this question is is a pretty simple question. What do you think the next move for ed should be? Have you heard the comments about this bill? It was made originally that a w had a good run at Edge years ago before he had his comeback, before it right he had, they had a really good run for his money. So people now are really starting to think the Toronto pay per view this year could be Edges last, and they wouldn't. A lot of people are saying they wouldn't be surprised if he jumped ship over to AWGS here. So here's my opinion on that Edge is a businessman first and foremost, besides being one of the absolute best of when he does. If if he didn't go during the COVID time and when everybody else was going, when the biggest splash in the world could have been him and Christian walking down that ramp together. Not that they need each other because as individuals they get the same reaction. What benefit If edges Edge is the businessman I know he is, I would look at what benefit is it coming out one time and then joining everybody else in the corral where they don't know? Like it's clear that he loves to be in that ring and doing work. I don't know if he's going to get that. If he went to AW, he'd get the Greek reaction, he'd have the promos, and then there wouldn't be a storyline. Then you'd see him far and few between. And if he wanted to do far and few between, he would have been back years ago for WWE and just done you know, one or two spots a year. But clearly he came back to work. I feel like this is his last go round where now he can say on his terms like hey, I finished the soft cool. I would at just a personal opinion, I would hate to see him go to ae W and finish his career there. I would hate, hate, hate to see it because I don't think it would be While the fans would pop for it once, those same fans would be picking it apart three months down the road. Yeah, there's not much to go in there. He gets to work with Christian. Maybe he gets to have a match with Christian against Christian, but I think more more more realistic would be Wid paying Christian come back for one match. Yeah, I see, I would agree with that. I'd rather see that first and see than see Edge go go there, because not for nothing, we're gonna go see Edge and Christian first arties. You're not going to rein the wheel. Yeah, you're not gonna reinvent the wheel, you know. So I don't think anything of it. I don't, And I think I think Adams proved himself. He's a loyal He's a loyal person, and I think he's stayed loyal to the people that have stayed loyal to him. I think they've done the right thing with him, and I think he's done the right thing by them. And I don't I don't see it. Years and years ago, could i've seen him going to TNA, Yes, back when it was a little different. I don't see him going to a W Now. I've been wrong about a lot of things. It could happen. I'll be talking about it going only crap, but I personally I don't see it. They say that, you know, with Chris Jericho, a lot of people were shocked with that. I think Chris Jericho had so many good runs in ww Yeah, but if he was at this point in his career and he was Edges Shoes, he got out a little bit before as far I'm different ages, I get that. But he's actually been away for a while now doing some stuff over you know, in Japan. Yeah, now the year, it's been a while now. If like right now, if he was in WWE, Chris Jericho and he was having these matches at Edges, haven't, I don't think he would go anywhere else either. Yeah, I just think that he thought. I think he thought, I've got a lot like the Edge thing now is probably I got a little bit left in my tank to go on with this, and that's why Chris Jericho is now. Right. But if it was in a difference, if he was in the same scenario, I don't picture him going to this point either. But he really wanted to go for a long run kind of doing his own thing. I think it's a different scenario. But yeah, I don't see Edge going any I don't see Edge going under contract anywhere. No, I agree, I agree with that, and I think you're talking about a five six year difference between Chris and and Adam right in the time that Chris left because he did have more to do, and there was more he wanted to do, even even forget physically, just creatively. Yeah, you know, and I think I think Adam had that taken from him, that creative part and all these things and the physicality speaks for itself. So I think when he came back, he got to do those things. And now it's on his terms, and I feel like knowing him and then listening to him talk and the things he's doing, he's fulfilling what he wanted to do, much like Chris is doing now. So I couldn't see Adam going there now, just like if Chris was still here. I couldn't see Chris going there if he was gonna I think, you know, yeah, I think they both fulfilled now what they've wanted to do and finish up with. But I would really be I would really be shocked to see that happen. I would really that would be really His wife is His wife is great too, and she's very involved, very involved. She has a spot there as well. Yeah, always, always, they're good to each other. She's good to them they're good to her appears to be at least now I'm not the insider, but yeah, that place it comes into late too. There's a there's a there's a lot to be said for loyalty. And when people take care of you, you take care of them. And I mean that in and out of the ring and in and out of the business as people, and I think they're held in I regard. I know they are um not only just in the business, but within that company they sell, have a lot to offer. I could see them both backstage, and you know, at a certain time, Beth had that nice run with nxt UM and I can see that happening again too. So uh, I see him stak put. I think it's good, um good uh, water cooler talk for the fans. I think it's things he can speculate on. And I don't mind that kind of talk because it just keeps the fire burning in the business. Right. Oh, what if this happens, like you know, give different like a free agent in other sports, right, like yeah, yeah, listen, the same thing happens in football and baseball and basketball and everything else. Right, but until you see that happen. But like I'd never see like now, I'm pretty sure you could say Lebron's not going anywhere after the Lakers. I actually feel that mess. He's trying to get play with the sun. Maybe yeah, I don't right, but you know what I mean. Like years ago, yes, I could see him going here and here. He wanted stuff he wanted to do and prove, and but now I think he's a Laker until he's done. And so he's gotta he's made the big move there and embrace that life. And so I mean that's you know, and I think he at this point in time right edges edge, his kids are older and now you know, life is changing a bit, and he's got that schedule here that he can you know, that he can work with and make his own and stuff. And like I said, I think it's I think it's a good balance. So I think it's good conversation. It keeps wrestling at the rumor mill. Hot. I don't mind the rumor mill as long as it's not affecting someone's personal life. For professional life, I like the year like and should speculate. It gives you something to you know, It's like football. Like my son and I with football every morning. We're going, what do you think Lamar's going and what do we think this is doing? And you know that's cool, you're a year invested, um, but you know, Winter Hail, I don't see what happened. I mean either. I actually I'll say one more comment and I might be completely wrong and look like a jackass. I think there's more of a chance Kenny Omega comes to Yes Edge go into a Eliott. Nope, you're not. You're not looking like a like I'm not even sure that, but I would say that I feel like there's more of a chance. I think that would be Kenny Omega coming to WWE is more impactful than Punk returning the ae W at this point in time. You might be right, although I think they do need and that. That was another question that we didn't get to. It was the comment of it's starting to look like a lot of reports at Sampunk wants to come back. Can they There was another comment. I don't remember who it was, but they asked about that. You know, is it gonna come back or they're going to do can they handle doing business together? If they can handle do it business together, then it's a good thing. If they can't, then it'll hurt a e W even where they did the first time. Yeah, I think that the difference. It's a risk, it's a it's a it's a big risk. It's a big risk because I think it's taken a long time or it's taking a long time for people to get that taste out of their mouth, and the negativity also paying them a significant amount of money to do nothing, which that's the other side of it, you know. But uh, I think it's I would like to see Kenny come to w W always said that we will. I think that's the one. Yea, I think this is I think he has I don't know the reading reports half a year left because he got hurt right there. They're gonna make you work that back. But I think that would be as Kitty Omega forty years old now, I think that would be a good like like kind of like AJ Styles was a little bit younger. Yeah, this is Kenny Oga's moment to get in and do things like AJ Styles did, who's had it continues to have a good run Yeah in WWE. Yeah, I think to do something Kenny of twenty years ago and Kenny now has earned his stripes, done it his way, pave the road for a lot of people, and now he can do the things he wants to do in WWE. You know what I mean. So that's the that's I think he has more value than the young Buck. Yes, he's going there, so I think that'd be a good move. I'd be I'd be excited to see that happen and see what comes down of it. Yeah, I would. As a fan, though, I would love to watch FDR in Punk first the Elite. I would like to see that. I'd like to see the match. Yeah, I'd like to see the I agree with you, I'd like to see the match. I'm just like a lot of other people. I think you as well. I'm afraid of the fallout or I'm afraid of the after effects or the you know it's yeah, we had a fist fight going with executives. Yeah, yeah, and no other world would that fly. And I've said that before, we talked about it. If that happened at my work and nowhere else. Ben, Let's let's compare, because people compare. Awww. Do you think Vince is sitting next to someone seeing the things that Punk said in front of Tony Kahn? Do you think anybody's saying that in front of Vince, and Vince is gonna let it keep going. I don't think Vince or Triple Edge would no, no, no one would. Some of the other man Steffieah, yeah, someone would put an end to it. So I think I I think Tony took a big hit on that in the in the eyes of the wrestling world, not wrestling fans, the wrestling world. You know, when it's you know, a little bit of I don't. I don't know if they need that again. I feel like they're they're building momentum again. While it may be good for Wimbley Stadium or something like that, would it be good after that? What happens after the initial welcome back? Are we down six months down the road again doing the same thing? And do they they need something? Something seems to appears to be missing to me. Whether it's small or they're big, I don't know, but they could use a little bit of a boost somewhere. Yeah, I don't know where that comes there. Yeah, I agree, Spell comes back. You can all get along and you're gonna make a lot of mint. Like I said, he was part of what the first million dollars. Yeah, but so, but who does that? So look look at it that way now, right, seem Punk comes back and there's gonna be a small circle of people would benefit from you other than the fans? Yeah, because they're gonna dance with a small circle of people. So where does it still leave everybody else? And are they fixing what they're missing or are they just are they just putting a couple more logs to make the fire bigger for now? You know what I mean? So it business wise? What what's the advantage to disadvantage? What's the you know, the upside to the downside. And if it's a one time thing, money and keep people talking. But if it's that, if it's that clearly, and I say this, if someone is legitimately worried about him coming back in, then that's your answer because they don't know what's gonna happen. That's your answer. I think seeing Punk would I don't. I can't speak for him. I could picture two things, him being perfectly five was never wrestling again, or I think there's a little bit of him though. You probably want to go out a little bit better than that. Yeah, that's the thing. You don't want to up a bit like that one match bill. What if it was a one match, one one time Wimbley sell out some of the best wrestlers in the world as a stair days and and and the team of the elite, which is the elite, can lose that match and be fine. They it won't hurt them. No, I think that's maybe what they don't realize sometimes. But but they do other silly things and they'll prance around and right, but they say to be really offended by the whole punk thing. But yeah, I think it one match you bring up a good point, like you could ride off in the sunset it fill up, you know, get that stadium almost filled and have one amazing match, which they could. Everybody called it a good note. All that of those stuff is then warshed away and let's move on. It'd be good for Sam Punk and it would be good for aw. That'll be a big thing for them in that stadium. They're really building it up already, so they gotta fill it to an extent. Yeah, and I think they will. He has a lot you know, the con family, right, they owned the football teams over there and and all the other connections they have. I think I think it they did well overseas two Europe, in UK, AW does well in the in UK, they do better business over there than they do here. So it's it's gonna be a good it's gonna be a good outing for them. I'm excited to see what happens as that comes up. I thought it was a pretty cool announcement. I don't think you know, every time he mentioned something, it's the biggest news and the history of the company, So you stopped losing that that catch with it, you know, because everything's the biggest news we've ever had. But when Wimbley's a good, good call and uh, like I said, it's big for them. Yeah, it's a good big stage for them. I mean he said the same, the same build up for when Adam Cole announced After Hours or whatever the show is. You know, it wasn't that wasn't a big, big announcement. They're gonna change the landscape of a W. When Bi's gonna change the landscape of a W. So I think, yeah, I think it'd be good. Like for me as as as a fan of the business, I'd love to see it one time, Like you said, FTR Punka gets the one time at wimbley and everything's squashed from then on out. I'd pay to see that. Yeah, I may actually buy aw pay per view, but there are the pay per view structure. You get spoiled with w Yeah, as fans, I'm sure it's not as found for the wrestlers. But nevertheless, Bill, we had a couple more questions. Couldn't get too. We're at the two hour mark. I think we'll pick up on it next week. We'll make sure we're getting brought up. But man, two hours always go by fast man. There were some we did it. I don't know if we could talk about Dave Meltzer's radiing zeting any more than we did. We dug into that, we went through the frustrations, but again we are talking about Dave Meltzer. Ple are talking about Dave Meltzer. People want to hear what people think about Dave Meltzer, and uh, yeah, we brought that to you and he still has me blocked on Twitter. Yeah, we'll go figure. I don't even I guess I should look. Johnny Rods told me a long long time ago, good or bad as well as you're talking about you in this business, people are going to be interested and Meltzer has captured that. Yeah, yep. And we got to answer a couple of great questions as well. Yes, and we'll get to the other ones. Yeah, these are great questions. They are significant, Like you said, the rumor the good way of a rumor mill. Yeah, and this is what wrestling is about as entertainment, the aspect of it. It does all have to be about the five star matches. It can be the storyline and the real life saga of what the fallout of people, where they go and stuff. So the product we're watching right, very good man. Yeah, and of course it's always good to build human dot com. You can talk to us there. We have built him on on Twitter, on podcasts, I'm just score father. You your build him on also on everything else, aren't you are? Yes? Build yeah, build them on Instagram and uh and the build them on I think on Facebook. Yeah yep. And yeah, please keep following the podcast wherever you listen to or watch. Like I said last week, I do have all the full episodes up on mine, but their audio only, and I'm still working on the video. If you want to see Bill Himot and his dogs. I'll try to get on top of that. Even saw somebody his hand and up here out of the corner earlier and hang something up on the rack back there. And I didn't even like know that was someone there, and I saw like a movement. I'm like, what the heck? But I did see the dog it made its appearance. So there's all kinds of people in this mansion. Man. If you want to see Bill acting like he is, forgot it, it's an audio also platform. As he's showing me things with his hands. You definitely enjoy the video. But no Bill, I think build Humot pod at gmail dot com. Also to contact us or on social media. Right. Oh, man, this is another great week, man. I thank you for taking a time to do this. Thank you, brother Jeff, I appreciate you. Man. I have a great rest of the week, and we'll do this again. We'll do this again. But until then, keep being you, keep being great. When you can get out. If you feel a price, shake shake a little kid, take a little chance on the right to let no one kiss. 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