What's she gonna do? Brother? When Jeff Townsend media runs wild on you? All right, all right, all right, this is Jeff Townsend and we are beginning another episode of the Bill DeMont Experience Live. Bill is actually out six still, so covering him and joining me this evening will be crow Bar, of course, Bill's longtime friend. Crowbar and I actually follow each other on Twitter quite a while, but we haven't talked much. So, man, I'm excited to get to chat with you a little bit more and we'll do some talking this evening, right exactly, exactly, Man, this will be our introduction to each other. So yeah, so let's just kick it off, man, you and build him out. I've done each other for a long time, a long long time. I remember going to the local gym in my town, strong and shapely gym, still there. I'm still a member there after all these years. I was about thirteen years old, and that's when I was getting into the phase where being a huge wrestling fan, I could tell it wasn't going to be enough for me, Like I wanted to do more and I just really didn't know how to go about that. And I would go to my local gym and I was lifting weights for football and stuff like that for high school sports, and I just saw this immense giant man there and it was Build Amott and at that time he was out of independence as big Sweet William. His eight x ten was up in the gym, and he was just this immense man. And one day I finally got up enough courage to go speak to him about pro wrestling, and way back when he even told me, right from the get go, how this business will never love you as much as you love it. So at a very young age, he instilled the need for me to if I were going to pursue this, to also pursue a college or trade or some kind of backup plan. And uh, that's exactly what I did. I was an annoying. I had to be an annoying a thirteen year old kid asked asking him stuff about stuff I saw on Saturday morning TV wrestling or uh six oh five on Sturday, and he was he was still patient. He would answer all my questions, never made me feel stupid, but he always he saw my love for professional wrestling, and he encouraged that love for professionalson but he also encouraged getting a backup plan. So down the line, I eventually joined Iron Mike Sharp School in Township, New Jersey, and after I trained there for a while, and I also trained that East Coast Professional Wrestling, which is still there, believe it or not, in like Hiawatha, New Jersey. Bill took me under his wing and started showing me the more advanced moves like moon salts, Franken Seiner's and all kinds of stuff like that. And at that time he was doing the moon salt, which was almost unheard of for a guy his size. Yeah, so we've known each other quite some time. I like how you plug the moon salt too. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure Bill's out there listening or will be better be. I hope he is. If you're tuning in, Bill's lost his voice. He's sick. Crowbars filling in. I know some of you are jumping in here as we get going. So, yeah, we're gonna be hanging out with Krobar the next hour. Man, So you've know build him up for a long time. And not only that, you've actually been wrestling for over thirty years now, thirty two years. Man. I started when I was seventeen years old and it's been one hell of a ride, a lot of fun. Yeah, so let's see you get comment here Chad on Facebook's and Crowbar the Star Wars fanatic. Yeah, we were just talking about that, man when we first, uh we first got going here, how you were representing that in your background so and allowed me to gate keep for a second. I was liking Star Wars before it was cool to like Star Wars. Okay, yup, way way back when, if you like Star Wars you had to like it in like your bedroom behind the door and and uh under the covers, otherwise you're e geek. Yeah, and now now it's now it's cool man. People wearing Star Wars shirts and hey, they met even they may not even be Star Wars fans and they're still wearing it. So absolutely you were in it before it was in So that's that's awesome. Well, man, we talked about it. You've been wrestling for a long time, and we're going to get to some of your your stuff. Well, actually have some surprises for you later on throughout this episode, at the request for some listeners, but we're gonna do what we usually do and try to kick off here with a main topic of the Evening, So it came out this week, Crowbar, and I know that you're a busy man and you don't get a chance to watch every single moment of pro wrestling out there. I don't think any of us could poss I don't know how people could if they really wanted to, even but that's another topic for another time, I guess because there's so much of it. But it came out this week the NXT, who has been shopping around a television deal and all rewind that. Of course, there was the big announcement in the last two weeks that Smacked Down's moving to the USA network was at one point four one point five billion dollars. So now it comes out the NXT is getting had as a TV deal with CW, which is a course broadcast television network. It's not on cable, so technically it's available to more people per se a good deal for them. I don't know if they come out with the figures yet, but I know the wrestling my good friends at The Wrestling Observer, who I always say that, Crowbar, because they have me blocked. Yeah, I figured you'd like that. But think Ryan Alvarez talked about how it was over five percent more revenue than what they're getting from their deal on you on the USA network NXT. That is, so that's a huge deal for them to get onto a bigger platform. As you continue to see these large television deals happen, what do you think that is, man, I mean, it seems like Christmas having a boom here. I think it's great. I think the more wrestling that's out there, it's it's just more jobs for the guys. After WCW closed years ago, there was really only the WW for a short period of time. You had He and A had a Ring of Honor, but those promotions really really didn't have the big TV deals right at the get go. I believe TV deals enable brands to survive and to grow because more people can see them. So the more brands that could get on TV, the better I believe. Yeah, And it seems like, and Bill and I talk about this frequently, that the emphasis is not as much on the I mean, it still is obviously on the house shows or the it's basically one long tour for those of you that are new to wrestling. But it seems like this television deals in particular for like an aa W are a big deal because they haven't necessarily been having the biggest houses per se. Uh so Crill brother. There's also a lot of talk going on that what's gonna happen with Monday Night Raw now it is really the last WM saying to tighten up and get a new deal when it's when it's current, when the USA network ends. There's a lot of rumor in Indy window going around out there that possibility is it could be heading to a station like t n T. Well, you may ask, what, you know, people listening in masks, why is that a significant deal? Well, of course, because AW is on TBS and there's a lot of people talking out there, what what what does this do to an ae W if a mainstream platform like WWE comes onto that sister station and kind of you know, was that still their thunder? A lot of people are saying, what is AW gonna get a television deal like that? How much sunkle wore they last without a television deal. There's a lot of concerns or just questions going on. I think AW is going to last indefinitely, and a lot of people will laugh at that, they'll scoff at that, and they'll ask how do you know that? And my answer simple, because I'm a dad, Okay, I believe AW will always exist, either being paid for by a network, being paid for programming on YouTube, on an app, on some kind of platform. AW is never going to go away. Tony Khan's dad, God bless him, very very immensely successful businessman. He has what you know the kids call and I'm not going to few money, big time, big time, few money. If I were a dad, if I were Tony Kahan's dad, and that was a passion that my son that he wanted to try to learn and create wrestling content, He wanted to run a wrestling company, and I had the means to enable him to pursue his dream, right, wrong or indifferent, no matter what people think, mister Khan, Tony Khanzad has this immense amount of money few money, and it's his prerogative that if he wants to let his son explore running a wrestling company, that's his business. And as a dad, if that was my kid and that's what my kid wanted to do and I had that kind of funding, which most of it's I would one let my kid be happy as long as X factors of course, that wasn't detrimental to my son running a company. I'm sure it's happened already. On some level. People criticize Tony Khan, they criticized AEW whatever. It's a learning experience. I'm sure it's not spoken about, but in business, in life, in interactions with personnel and people, it's a life learning experience. I'm sure he's learned many lessons so far and he will continue to learn many lessons so far. And that's all I'm saying. Yeah, mister Khan, Tony Khan's dad, extremely successful visitent I'm repeating myself, has done incredibly well, has the ability to enable his son to pursue his dreams and to learn business and life lessons through this company. And as long as it's not hurting his son in any way, shape or form. And if that were my kid, I would totally allow my son to continue with this experiment. And because of that, because I am a dad, I believe AW will last until Tony con decides he doesn't want to do it anymore. You may see little changes, maybe budget cuts here or there, maybe not, but I do think that no matter what happens, there will always be an AW and it will always have a Nietzsche audience that enjoys watching it. It definitely has a Niche audience sense for sure. And it's really one of those things where unless we hear some rumors and stuff from the dirt sheets quote unquote dirt sheets, we won't actually really ever know how much money they're making or not. It's not a publicly traded company, for you know, our knowledge of the success of it will be minimal. And like to your point, what what as far as success is success to Tony Kahan? Is it just having this business you know, maybe break you know, just just break it even or is it just having this business because it's he's passionate about it. So you bring up some really good points there. It's not a lot of people can fathom that dynamic because not a lot of people are in those circumstances. Tony Khan's father, Tony Tony kahm extremely wealthy, very smart businessmen. Uh, they have the capacity to continue indefinitely as long as Tony Kain wants to. And again repeating myself as as a dad, I can't see AW going anywhere. It will always exist either as paid for programming by a network AW paying to be on a network, on an app, or on YouTube or something. It will always exist in some capacity. You had the privileger of actually going on to being involved in AW match. I think it was a oh well it was years ago now. It was a Dark Dark event, right, it was two years ago in Philadelphia and I wrestled Joe Janella on Dark Yes, yes, I've seen the matches. Have been a while though. How was your experience there backstage? Man? How was everything? I had a great experience. I tell everybody right now, I'm probably having the most fun I've ever had in my career. There is zero pressure whatsoever. When I was brought up in the wrestling business, it was never fashionable. You were told not to express how much you enjoyed professor prestling, how much you love professor wrestling. Life is great outside of pro wrestling, wife kids, My business is extremely successful. I'm not being snarky at all. I'm just saying what is but that enables me to really enjoy pro wrestling and do it on my own terms. So anything I do, whether it's a small independent show, awe very large scale show, I had the best time. Everybody backstage was more than welcoming more than cordial, and it was just a great, great experience. I always love working with Joey Janella, we have a long history together. And being able to do it on a major show for a major company, it was very very special and it's something I'm very very grateful for. Yeah, it's super cool that you got to do that, especially, like you say, you're not like a full time active, necessarily out there on TV every week wrestler. So obviously it sounds like he probably played a part in because your guys past. Yeah, maybe plug any and get you in there. However, I will say when I do have the opportunity to perform, I believe I perform like a full time Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll not take any away from me there. Yeah, Joey Jeffrey put in some words and he pulled some strings what to get me there, and you know, super super appreciative for that. I was in about twenty fourteen, I was almost ready to hang it up. Not so much because I lost a passion. I just for a few years, I had pulled back a little bit from pro wrestling. I was very busy with the business, establishing my physchole therapy facility, had two young kids, wife, the whole nine yards, and you're surrounded by people, friends and family and all for the right reason, saying, you know, the business is doing great, you got two kids, it's not maybe it's time to kind of get away from the wrestling. You know, you're really not making much money there. Your life is in your business and your family, and you're doing well. You know, you're getting up up there in age. Maybe it's time time to pull back. And I was kind of you start to believe it, and you acknowledged that their sentiment is there for all the right reason for trying to help you. They're looking out for you. And a local indie promoter asked me if I wanted to do possibly my last match with Joey Janella. It was literally three minutes from my house at the High House per Kites VFW in New Jersey, and I went out there thinking that it could potentially be my last match. So I went out there and we tore it up. It's it's on YouTube somewhere. I was. I came back from almost a year off or so, and I go, Okay, I'm gonna have one last hurrah. I'm gonna tear it up with this kid. I saw a video of him, and I liked the way he worked really. I like the personality and all that. I go, I'm gonna go out there one more time and just have a really good match. And we have this wild match, and that little flame that was left it was like pouring gasoline on it, and here we are. That's all I do. Think you're kind of at the point in your career also where you're really have a focus, because, like I said, you obviously have a full time job and everything else. Now you have a focus on kind of giving back to the business. I often ask to although I am forty nine, thirty two years and I still enjoy working hard. I say I work extremely hard. I think I do things that look very athletic, very violent, sometimes crazy, but if I'm doing it rest as short, it's safe. I'm very much into the safety factor, and I often request to work with the younger guys. I like going out there and doing a twelve fifteen to twenty minute match, going hard with somebody young that's going to test my boundaries and how much I can do. And I like being able to give back and teach working hard but working safe. When I come back from a match a huge win is we're unscathed. We worked hard, we worked safe, we worked easy but not lazy, and the people saw something that looks nuts, but in all reality it's crazy. So I like showing these kids, and I call them kids because I'm just old compared to them, that you can work really, really hard, you can excite a crowd, and you don't have to risk yourself so much. So I enjoy working with the younger kids. I did a Thursday night show for Russell Trow last week or no, it was last week. It was a kid's tenth match for myself. It was a really cool challenge trying to lead somebody with very limited experience nine matches at that time now being your tenth match through a good, solid match, and I embraced that challenge and it was really cool and had a lot of fun. And the kid's whole family was there, and I told the promoter, I said, hey, let's put this kid up. It looks at his family. I have no qualms about winning losing. We're all part of a giant cartoon. And if you get caught up in winning and losing too much, you know, you look stupid. I had a great time. The kid had a great time, he was happy, his family was thrilled, and I had a good workout. And it was a cool experience, a cool dynamic to be able to lead somebody with that much limited experience because I hadn't done that in a very long time. Yeah, phones getting blown up, man, with people reaching out to us. So that's good. Yeah, if you're just joining us, we are live with Crowbar. Bill Deemont is actually under the weather again this week, so Crowbar was kind of enough to jump on and take Bill's spot. Just get some content out, man. And the funny thing about it is, so last week we missed, and I was I came down to like, okay, I wanted to share some content still, So I went back to the Bill Deemott experience from eight years ago, and I narrowed it down to two episodes. Actually this is before you and I even spoke. It was Vince Russo and then you also have an episode out there with Bill from eight years ago. So I picked the Vince Russo episode. Then then Bill messages me hours later and he's like, hey, I can't make it this week, buddy, And I was like, well, man, you think you know of anybody that could cover for us. He's like, yeah, I bet Crowbar will do it. He's my man. And then it was just kind of funny because I just watched that you asked the Moment four yesked last week and and I had that show that we just discussed, so I couldn't do it last week. So I'm thrilled to be able to do it and help out this week. And you know, have it a good time. We have a lot of people reaching out to me live right now and a call will. The comments are talking about how you on Twitter have a lot of posts, and I have a surprise for you. I'm going to share it where you talk about I think you call it indie outlaw wrestling, okay, where we see these instances where these crazy risk are being taken for really no reason, like what's the reward? Right? So before we get into this topic, Crowbar, I'm going to share this video with you. I think it's about a little under two minutes long. It's kind of hard for me to watch some of this crap, just to be honest with you. Then I actually at the end of the video, you'll see a spot that you've talked about in detail. So I made this just for you, man. Actually, I was whipping this on privacy special thank you. Yeah, I was cutting it close on time, but I got it done, man. So let's see if I can get it here. I might have to rewind it once I get it up here. Here we go, face him up on the melon jack, you man crooking on that too, on the shoulder, that'll blow out of shoulder. Shoulder chears and said charade. Getting on the top moor in the high rink district. Here he goes crossing himself, needs to win this tournament. Crew is gonna flow myself no over God, Eric, I work for a criss cross power. Oh drop the right of the fact that I never go with to make it out, make it ahead right on the few recombining teams that are running to hurt each others, try to run the match. Yeah, hard to watch stuff, Crowbar. But it is a segue into a lot of the things that you talk about. So Amen, we just talked about giving back to the business, you know, working with some people, less experienced people, whatever. This is a huge part of it for you. And I did end it off with that Dante Martin spot because I had seen you tweeted that about that before anybody tries to say, here's some old head talking down about you know, today's moves. I used to do a lot of similar stuff, asked Bill, and he would always tell me for years, you know, try to be more safe, calm down. I could honestly say that there were four solid four times in my career that I could have been paralyzed or dead without question. And I swear I have a guardian angel watching over me or something, because I yually I should have even been dead or paralyzed from doing stuff like that. It is professional wrestling. Stuff could go wrong with the simplest move, honestly, Again, you know they One of the very famous examples of that is I believe Rob van Dam fractured his ankle or leg doing a base spall slide because his foot got caught in the canvas and it snapped. So accidents do happen doing very very simple stuff. But I think that there's a lot more we could do as wrestlers to minimize the risk of that happening. People see my videos now, they say, how do you still do a lot of stuff at at forty nine years old? And again I don't want to pull back to curtain one hundred percent. But I had a whole catalog of moves that I know that I can do, and I chose the ones that I believe that look athletic, or they look violent, or they look crazy, or they look creative, and I know that I could hit those moves almost one hundred percent of the time and take care of me and take care of my opponent. And those became my core of moves. I'm always looking to expand that. I'm always looking to add to it. If the move can be done safely and if it looks cool, and if it checks all all those boxes, is it cool, is it athletic, is it maybe violent? Can it be done safely? At the bottom, can it be done safely? Is the center of whether or not I do that move or not. And that's huge And I didn't learn that until way later in my career. Uh. And a big part of that is I tually being a dad, being a husband, own owning a business, but still wanting to be a crazy pro wrestler. For whatever makes me want to do this, you just start being more selective. There was one time, very early on in my career on Nitro. The hot move of that week was Scott Sounder doing the SUITPX shop into the pile driver, and I did, and I did a show in Maryland. I was brand spanking knew and there was another guy, maybe three four years more experience than me, and he wanted to do it. And at that time, being a naim eighteen year old, maybe I felt that I would only do a move that I knew I could protect my opponent, and I thought that that would be that sentiment would be reciprocated. He dropped me. I folded up up like a accordion. I thought I was dead, and thank god I was not. But the take home from that is, don't be afraid to say no if something doesn't feel right or if you're not sure the person can do it. I have a great what I call Indie used car salesman shtick that I do, and guys know when it's coming. I guys that have shared a locker with a locker room with me enough of times. I will sit down with a younger guy and you we guy, and I'll say what do you want to do? And I will let him rattle through all his spots and I will do my damn just to get each and every one of those spots. And so he's he's happy, and and and and and he's satisfied with what he got to do in the match. If during that time he mentioned something that I'm not sure he could do, where if it involves dumping me on my head in a very compromise position that I'm not sure he could do. I have a shtick, and I say, we're not going to do that, but I am happy to offer you two or three high spots of equal or greater value. And instead of that one, I will do two or three that that I know we could do safely. So I'm not gonna do that one, but I'll take these two or three others instead. I'm not being lazy. I'm just being safe. H I think. I think, God, why do they think they have to do these spots too? I mean, That's what I'm wondering, Like, is it just because they're seeing it across the board? I think because al Randus gets a lot of views on Twitter and social media. So is Cogan oking up? I do the same with my clips, but they're safe. You know, I have done a power bomb through light tubes. Again. I'm not pulling back to curring, but I assure you one million percent that that spot was safe. And I came out unscanned, and even the locker room on that evening was amazed that I was not bleeding. Uh, if I do it, it's safe. I think it's for the clicks. I think it's because is it for the five Stars? It's that too. It's this generation of professional wrestlers are without question, the most athletically gifted ever. Things they do with your body that it's it's not just a front flip and a back flip. It's a front flip and a corkscrew and this and that, and it's incredibly athletic. And they do things. I think a lot of them do things without thinking that Dante Martin spot Dante Martin, incredible athlete. Everybody in that match friggin incredible athlete. You have two tables stacked and they do that. Uh. It was a Canadian Destroyer studio tail right, and I'm watching it before it happened. I said, oh no, this is going to be bad. And the reason being I did two double table spots for WWWA after WCW. It was this company that existed for maybe two two and a half years. They did a few pay per views. I worked with Norman Smiley and with his Sabu. Against Norman Smiley, I dove off to tron very eye up through two tables. Seeing that one against Sabu, I jumped off the top of the cage to the floor through two tables. So people may say you're being hipocri. Not the case. I will totally pull back the current here because I think it'll make things safer for the wrestlers if they realize what they're doing. And I saw this in those other clips you showed do too. When you get up really really high, it's you missing. It's easy easy to judge a free fall. How many guys did you see outright missing the table. It's not as easy as as it looks. But all that aside, going back to the Dante Martin spot, when I've put Norman slyly through two tables, when I put Sabo through two tables, I walked through that spot several times throughout the day. I was meticulous. I had them drop the cage, I lined the tables up, and I knew exactly where I wanted them. I marked where I was going to put those tables, and I put them in a spot. I put Norman Smiley's tables in the spot where I could literally hang and just drop through both of them. Once you start getting momentum outward, when it's not a straight drop, and you start getting momentum outward, you run the risk of tipping the tables. That's just physics. If it's not a straight drop, if you haven't momentum going outward, you're gonna hit the table and your force is gonna drive that table cannot break straight through, it's gonna tip. Canadian destroyer has all that rotational momentum, so they broke the top table. But I'm sure in their minds they thought that they would just drop through both tables safely and flat. That top table broke and it rotated, and as it rotated, his leg hit that ground in a very bad way and he chopped his leg in half. If you're gonna do tables, it's not just oh, I'm gonna jump through two tables. You got to look at the angle. You got to look at where your momentum is. You want to be able to go see a table flat through the middle. Once you start adding this rotational stuff, you have to take that into consideration. I jumped off the top of a cage in February or March, whatever it is. I dropped the leg off off the top of the cage. It's one move that I do. It's the only move that I'll do off the top of a cage because I know that I could hit it safely one hundred percent of the time. Protect me, protect my opponent. And as I hit this, you literally drop straight through the table. The way I do it, I step off the cage and it's a downward, straight drop the way I set it up. So I'm not knocking this stuff. But if you're gonna do single tables, double tables and from extreme heights, you need to calculate momentum. You need to calculate rotation. And I've seen it on indie shows that I'm on where these kids set the tables up. Again, no disrespect meaning kids that they're just a lot younger than me, and they don't account for these things. It's like they just have powerstually say oh yeah, well stack two tables and I'll jump them. You into there. And if that table was far out from where you're jumping, if if it's too far out. Say they're jumping from the top rope to the floor. If that table's out far, you're gonna have to have an outward moment. And if it's two tables stacked or one table sacked, if that rotation is wrong, you can risk injuring yourself. Man, Physics, well, I have respect for you, because physics, you know, I trip over a doll, a small dog cage and get hurt, so I can't say, imagine jumping off one. And I'm not an old head either. I used to do well. I used to take a lot of risks that I should and I've taken again, probably should have died, have been paralyzed four times. And I understand why they're doing these moves. I understand the emotion behind it. I understand the dedications. I understand the enthusiasm for want to make your mark and have people remember what you did on that night. But sometimes it ends up really really bad. Yeah, And why I do see your comments coming in everybody. We'll get to some here. Even have Bill DeMont commenting here, so we know he's listening. We know he's out there all right, Hey, Billy man, So let me ask you one more thing about this while we're on it, do you feel sometimes This is not me trying to get you in a bad spot, This is just how I feel. So I'll got to come out and say it, and I want to know your thoughts on how I feel. Sure, sometimes it seems like these days and I can't I'm not a wrestler. I could not do that. I mean, I can't put myself in the shoes. But just somebody that watches and has watched an absolute and sand amount of wrestling for thirty years, it seems like that sometimes we we in wrestling these days, the people that maybe even it's even fans like myself, we get caught up in the particular spots and we don't maybe appreciate the story as much. I lost you for a second. Oh you lost me for a second. No, I'll sum it up. Yeah, yeah, please, I'll sum it up. We get caught up in the spots and sometimes we forget to enjoy or maybe they forget to tell the story. I'll say this and I'll relate to what I do, and I totally see that one hundred percent. There are some amazing spots. What I think has the business has lost and then they got again that's just the way wrestling is right now. I'm not crapping on the style at all. When I watch wrestling for my own enjoyment, when Chris Ford watches professional wrestling, I usually watch circa late eighties to mid nineties WCWWWE. That's what I watch as a fan. But I'm not going to crap on this new style. I watch new style. I keep up with it because I'm still involved. I still enjoy wrestling, being part of the business, working with these younger guys. So if I'm going to do that, I need to be proficient in what's going on right now. So I watch today's style, and if you don't evolve with the style, you get left behind. So I'm not going to sit here and say these kids don't know what they're doing. F This new style was way back in the day, was way better. That's what I like. But if you don't evolve, if you're just going to complain about the new style, what's wrong with it? That that gets you know where? If you're going to be a serious professional, you have to evolve with the times. What I will say is I think I have a large move set that i'm that I call I believe is modernly acceptable. They're exciting their athletic moves. At one time I did do a lot of light heavyweight slash cruiser weight self. So if I'm working with a younger guy that likes to do a lot of stuff, I know how to base work, mean, be the person that you know helps base for that move. I know how to do that. I think what makes my matches often different from the other other matches is I call them creative transitions, and guys from that time told stories with creative transitions. What is a creative transition? If you watch modern rustling, often you'll see spot spot spot. They'll throw a guy outside through the ropes or over the top rope and they'll dive on. Yeah, okay, very direct they get to the spot. Is there a more creative way? Is there a more artistic way to get that guy to the floor that the people don't see it coming. One spot I love and I've used many many times. I can't remember how far back it was, but Diamond Dallas Page was a heel in WCW. Marcus Bagwell was a face and I love the spot. I steal it and I use it often. Dallas Page had Marcus Bagwell on the outside of the Apron Dallas. He was inside the apron, turned his back to him and he was doing the old forearms across the chest, very traditional spot that people had seen it a whole bunch of times. The heel bends a baby face over and he pounds him on the chest. On the third one, he pulls his arm back Begwoll, grabs him by the head, sits down, and Page goes flying over the top rope. You didn't see it coming at all. And every time I do it, it pops the crowd because it adds story. Uh spots like that. I think there's ways to transition creatively where I hate what's called what I call my turn wrestling guy off, big move, Boom one two, Hika, I'm up. I go to shoot the guy off, he reverses, he hits a big move, it's his turn. Ah boom one two kika. My turn, where it's just move, move move, I think it adds something to a match where you can easily just shift momentum with creative transitions. Lately, I've been firing back on guys when I'm a heel, I will not I will boot them in the belly. I will put their head between my legs like I'm going for a pile driver or power bomb, and I'll get back dropped out. I haven't seen that forever, and it's just it's an easy, safe, creative way to transition. Instead of throwing a guy off the ropes, having them reverse the whip and then hit hit me with something stuff like that, it could be as simple as whipping the guy in the corner, putting up up your boot and come flying out with a clothesline. Those are all transitions that are different. And you're down here, but I think the kids are all thinking stuff way up here the entire match where yeah, you know need it's these little building blocks. I think that can make the wrestling better. I was talking with EC three a few weeks ago. We worked each other. I use a turnbuckle smash. When was the last time we seeing a heel smash your face's face into a turn buckle? But away? Yeah, And it's just and it looks different because not a lot of people do it, and it's safe and it creates action, it creates motion, and it's not art on the guy's body. Uh So that's right. I think stuff like that consider telling a story instead of going move, move, move, move, move, move move, maybe move and then tell a story. How do we get to the next movie. It doesn't need to be a huge novel, but putting these little picks, these little steps in there makes it better. I think, I really do. I don't know if that makes sense. No, that made perfect sense to me. Another one, people don't sell the floor anymore. You usual to get thrown out to the floor flo People would make it wow and the commentarybute, Wow. They follow that art arena floor that's only a half inch of padding or whatever. Guys hit the floor to get right off. Can we start selling the floor again or get back up so they can get jumped on? Or maybe I'm just no, you can still get jumped up, but sell that floor. Yeah, maybe I'm just old. No, I get what you're saying exactly. It's about doing the little things right. And it's like it's almost like, don't worry so much about getting to the next big thing. You gotta piece together the little things in between. And I'm saying, do the big things, but you could get there in a more creative way. That's just not move, move, move, moved and there's a lot of simple ways that look good, that add motion, that add action to a match that doesn't kill the guy, like you bending guy's headed into turnbull. Oh, he doesn't need to bump, but he could hit it, and he could sell out. And there's walking and there's motion and they're selling and all kinds of stuff like that. It's just adding these little picks between the big moves to tie them together in a neat or package or I get it. I'm just old, well, hey, we're all getting look at me, You've got more hair than me. Gosh. So Bill's chiming in here, and Bill, I'm not gonna put Crowbar in that position. But Bill's saying, did last night's show feel aw show feel like a house show? Oh? I did not see last night show on Idea and so I had a late night at work, So I am sorry, I did not see it. He's just it definitely, and we touch up on this earlier, so it's not like we're not having touched upon it. Definitely seems like the houses are getting a little bit smaller and that live interaction gets a little bit less. But I mean, you can try to present out of it when you have a small crowd, right, you can make some areas dark, you can do all sorts of stuff. But then let's get to a certain point in time and Bill's what I think what Bill's saying. Knowing Bill like I do that, it certainly starts to look that way, all right. So we had one weather thing here. This is really putting you on the spot before we segue to the next thing. If Krobar could watch one company of the rest of his life, would it be WWE or aw Man? I said, I would take care of you tonight. I'm breaking that. I guess that's a tough question. I can't even answer that. I can't answer. One of the most challenging things of being a professional wrestler at forty nine years old is fitting it into everyday life. I make it a point to be a present dad, a present husband, and I put sometimes fifty sixty hours a week in I work, depending on how many patients we have. I enjoy all my wrestling. I find time to go to the gym. I find time to do cardio. I usually do cardio at home, and that's when I catch up on all my wrestling. I enjoy so much having a wide variety of rustling to watch. I like watching AW, I like watching WWE, I like watching and wa oh yeah. I But when I watch as a fan, if I have to pick what I watch as a fan, and I've already said this, I will go to that late eighties, early the mid nineties WCW WWE error and I will relive all those matches that I enjoyed watching as a kid. I am done a Monday night tro what rewatched before? And I watch it as a fan, but I also watch it for stuff. I have my notebook or I have my phone ready to report. Oh wow, that's a good spot. I haven't seen that in a while. And I will do some of these creative transitions on it independent shows. Oh oh wow, man, that's really cool. How'd you come up with that? I'm dude, it's like twenty years old or more. It's just people stop doing it. There is a treasure trove of creative, safe, easy moves, spots, transitional spots out there. All you have to do is go back with a note pad and watch. There is an absolute Trevor treasure troll out there of things. So that's usually what I watch, and as I watch that time period, I'll often look for things that are creative that I like that I could either use as is in my modern repertoire or take an update and make it more modernly acceptable. And again, I do a lot of cardio. That's one of the reasons why I don't blow up it in the ring. And I amaze many twenty years of my younger So I will watch WWE, I will watch n WA, I will watch AW. Like I said before, wrestling has changed. You can't bitch about it. You either got to evolve with it or become extinct. And I choose to evolve and not become extinct. That's all you can do. It's important that I mean nometter is wrestling or life. Really, you got to evolve it. Okay, So you mentioned inw I do want to shout out a couple of friends there, Chris Adannas and Aaron Stevens. Of course I do like the things that are doing in NW. I'm glad that you mentioned that. So Okay, so you actually talked, you talked about a watch along. So we have a regular listener watcher of this podcast. His Twitter handle we got we know him from Twitter. We don't. I don't know who he is. But Twitter handle is Vince McMahon's mustache. Okay, so you're gonna watch a long why not? Yeah, it's of course. It's got the uh, the old you know, Walt Disney style Vince Micmann picture or the mustache is the profile picture. But you talked about a watch along, so Vince McMahon's mustache of course talks about Bash the Beach two thousand, two thousand. Excuse me, you had a match with David Flair. Will get into that, but I want to share the video first. That's all right with George. Wait, David's in the rank. Come on, someone needs to get him out of here. I'm like, let her go, Tavid, please, Oh let's just there you go. It's just former fiance. He is man handling right now. What is he think women in wantoy slapping man? This is unbelievable. No, no, Mark Johnson believes it. No though nikes. Do you notice how easily she did that? Why she's had experience? Yes, that's what I was thinking about. That a bro. David two, we're sitting up going to a bucket for wait, marry Jack. They'll take her head. No, no, forget they forget the bad women are like ma can troll the kill dark Profiles team him No, he picked up Oh boy, good baba with about sup plucks? Yeah Profile at least taking his pets off? Yeah, why not? That's very uncomfortable right now? How should I can imagine how you feel? This is pretty it's pretty funny. Actually that's probar INTI his boxers, David and his griefs, the referee and his and his underwear. Where are the women they're at? Who upfront? Suplis got me to cut their hair? Tad n Wait a second, heck that talks got a mic? I know what you people want to see. I know what I want to see. Bryant, Hey, why is she doing? Didn't music at this hour? This is do this? Oh my god, this is a virgin ary technic. I'll say I think dasny swear. Miss handcuffs her own get off? That said. The matches over six This is a listen so insane anything Dashy went it because Handtock took her own. But it looks like Hancock is gonna win David Flair but lose the Knights. Hancock wins David Flair but lose to the match. And look look at the face of dapting. What's she thinking right now? She looks like tred Ruskers. She looks like she's upset. Well, she has upset. She won the match, though, but did she win? Well, we all won. We saw Hancock's almost naked wear ended. Oh man, had it so? And I've listened to the funny story there, real funny story. I think near the end, I headbutted the cake or David took me by the had smashed my face in the cake, and uh, you know, it seems like an easy natural spot you would doing. Paul Rustling totally forgot that the tears are held up by these thin plastic plates. I had such a gash across my nose. It was so hard to steal up with liquid bandage. But I came back and blood all over my face. Couldn't figure out why, and that we remembered it was. It had to be from those hepe holder uppers, holder uppers. I like that. Yeah. Yeah, So you've talked about a lot and I've listened to a couple of different conversations where you talked about working with David Flair. Yeah, and a lot of positives came out of it for you. Had a great time. You know, again not a fashionable thing to say. I got involved in pro Russell when I was at seventeen years old, walking into stepping through the ropes into a ring with an incredible experience. And it was this beat up half size of boxing ring about two feet off off the ground, and it was an incredible experience. You always have hopes that you will make it somewhere big, but you know, it is life. You know it may not happen no matter how hard are you working. That's a reality of life. The fact that I got to work but that company one of the two biggest companies in the world at that time, that I got to have a character as Crowbar, that I I got to perform there with U, with David and Dastie. I mean, there were so many people there were worried about their jobs, worried about how long they were going to be there. Especially Yeah, there's always wrestling, politics and backstepping all that. I maybe it was naives. I just enjoyed my time to the fullest. The whole time I was there. I knew it would be fineite. I knew that it would be all over one day and I would go back to being a physical therapist, and that enabled me to just ride it out and have a great, great time. That's all I could say. I was an incredible blessing. Billy was there when I was here, which was super special. You know, no one in from a very very young agent there at the same time. My only regret is that we never had a match there, which would have been great. We never worked each other there. But it's uh, being with David, being with Daffy just nothing but great memories and uh, just something I'm super super grateful for. It's it's not simple. It was a great trip. It was a great experience, and I just no negatives at all. Wouldn't do you any good if you had him anyway, right you honestly, I mean every wrestling show like has moments like this, Like throughout the show, right, there's some comedic segments and all that something wacky. There's always something wacky, and that that's a that's actually not the greatest paperview ever by Dave Meltzer and others ratings. But that's a moment man, that I remember to this day. Uh, I don't. To me, it was like a good relief point in the show. Before it moved on, you know. So it didn't linger on. It wasn't too long, it was it was the timing. It was pretty good. So it's cool that you got to have that moment though it really well, man, it was cool. Man. So we're getting here towards the end. So typically when we get towards the end here, Crobar, what we do is we talk about I have a Facebook page and a lot of people listening right now are on there. It's called on this Day in Pro Wrestling History. So I take moments that happened throughout the week and I share it every every day. So, man, I did want to Gunge jump on here real quick and talk about a couple of things that happened this week. If you're cool with that just for a few more minutes, yeah, let's do it. So man, going back to the seventh. So on November seventh, nineteen ninety four, a Monday Night Raw, Vince McMahon himself announced that Mantra Man and Randy Savage had left thew after ten years. He would debut for WCW a week later, and he didn't appear back on WWE television again. So I got to go ahead and pull that up here and share it all right, we're back, Leadershaw jumped up more action for you moment earlier at this time obviously can speak us by his absence is the macho man Randy Savage. And I'd like to announce unfortunately that Randy Savage has been unable to sign a contract with the World Rusting Federation, not unable to rather come to terms with the World Rosting Federation for a new contract. But Randy, I know you're out there listening and on behalf of all of us here in the World Rusting Federation, all of your fans, and certainly me the number one fan. I'd like to say thank you for all of your positive contributions to the World Busting Federation. Thank you Randy Savage for all of the wonderful memories for so many years here in the World Busting Federation. We wish you nothing but the best, got speed and good luck. You were in Okay. So I'm trying to remember your timeline exactly here. Obviously I'm a fan, and I remember this moment because he's no longer there by Vince mc mahnon's side, so when this happened, you weren't quite to the point yet where you had made it on there into the scene yet. And we do have some moments later where I think it's gonna some questions about how that line up with you. But what do you remember when this happened. I was very shocked. I was, like a lot of people watching with the Boat shows, so shocked that he left WWE, but also very very excited to see what he would do in WCW. Randy Savage is probably my favorite wrestler ever ever, of all time. I watch him on an almost daily basis, and you always find something that you could pick up that you might have missed, These small little things that he just did with his body, the way he moved. Just an incredible performer. He is probably the guy at a very very young age when I was watching pro wrestling with the caps and the sunglasses and the music, he and he hooked me as a wrestling fan more than I had been watching wrestling. But he really hooked me as a wrestling fan more than anybody else at that that time. And he is probably my favorite performer of bullpime and I understand this announced I believe when you go back to the documentaries and stuff, Randish average was doing commentary for WWE, and they say he wanted to wrestle. He still had stuff left, he still had the ability, he still had the want, And it's uncanny how that lines up with it. I can understand that one million percent. I've been doing the promos on Twitter for a few years now and let people go, oh, well, you speak so well when you do the promos, the way you articulated tell the story you would be a great manager one day, or the way you do the promos, or the way you preach about safety is and this, and that you'd be a great agent or a great coach. And I just had zero interest in doing and any of the those things. I am a professional wrestler. I love being a professional wrestler. I remember in high school when I got hurt a few times playing football and you had to be on the field and watch your team play. I supported my team, I loved my teammates. I wanted my team to win, but nothing was worse than watching when you wanted to play and being a manager, being an agent, being a coach, and would be watching when I want to play. It's just something I have no interest in. And people at that time, he'll you'll hear people with the in the industry say, well, Savage was stupid. He could have made a lot of money just talking and not taking bumps and this and that. I'm one million percent understand why he would jump from being an announcer to once again being a pro wrestler. If you really wanted that, I totally you were late with that one. How cool is that? I got you're you're the biggest Randy, that's your main guy. Yeah, we're to share that clip with you. So yep, next one man. So this was actually eighth so yesterday as of this recording, Eddie Grier defeated mister Kennedy on SmackDown Ernest Spot on the Blue Brand team's upcoming Survivor Series pay per view. Unfortunately, he couldn't make the event because this was his last match. You don't find out here in this qualifying that joke referee Charles Robinson Sandwich Bury. Oh there's that grandam Eddies Ralphs the Grand of Eddie Cora, which means he's don't put n't God for no winning gren come but steel turning ahead, Brel's got that big grin on his face and Kenny is about to eat the Eddie realized that the referees coming coming to here the help let he talked to other the cutting. You gotta be kidding. Who went aer of this match to reach all of a dish qualification? Eddie? Oh my god? And the advances advances. Wow. Yeah, it's a definitely crazy for me to watch and think about. I actually remember watching that live, but just kind of like the whole aura they had wrapped up of Eddie Greer there in his last five years, and to think that was his last match, you know where he wholelied cheat steel thing with Ken Anderson. It's pretty cool. Is a pretty memorable moment for a lot of people just because of how it played out in the creativity behind it. Very very memorable for me. The latest, the best wrestling match of my entire career thirty two years entire career was against Eddie Guerrera in Queens, New York at the historic Elks Lodge for USA Pro Wrestling. It was during one of his hiatuses from WWE for the I don't know why he gets suspended some kind of reason, and I worked against Eddie. It was almost a twenty minute match. We worked our ashes off, we worked really hard and it's really special to me and also my wife. I had met my wife shortly after after my release from WCW. She was an independent pro wrestler. We started doing more dates together. She managed me against Eddie Guerrero. She took a few bumps from Eddy Guerrero in that match. Eddie took a Tornado DDT from my wife in that match, all in the midst of this almost twenty minute match where I could say, without question, without reservation that it was the best match in my entire career. You could find it. It's on YouTube somewhere Elks Lodge. I think it's under Eddie Guerrero, Devin Storm for USA Pro or ICW. I forget which one of the two companies claim the match on YouTube, but it's whenever I see him, i's He's just an incredible performer, such a great class act. When I met him, I got to work him three four times. But when I see that guy, he was responsible for the best match of my entire pro wrestling career. And I was such a fan of him before that match and being able to go out there and perform. And I was in that match as a professional, but I was in that match as a gigantic fan of Eddie Guerrero and what he did for me and for my wife and to let us shine was just remarkable. With the match, I encourage people to watch it and it's just such a special special moment that me and my wife still talk about to this day. Thank you to Frank Goodman in Florida for booking that match and putting it together. Yeah, repeating myself again, without question, the best wrestling match of my entire career was against Eddie Guerrero. Yeah, He's one of the best to ever done it. And I encourage people that, you know, if you're young, if you're newer to wrestling, you may not you may have just heard the name. There's so many matches you can go back and watch Eddie Garow. It's involved and they're just incredible amazing audio work, you know that, if you want to use that term. From soup to nuts, from the beginning to the end, just an amazing, amazing body of wrestling work. Absolutely, we got one more man. So this was actually on this is on this day, so ninth of November. This was a I'll just get to it, the Montreal screw Job man in Montreal. So we'll play it, then we'll then we'll talk about it. And a ninety three fans standing there's a backbreaker standing in front of the hit man. Is that this qualification? It might be I think a good up pull it and again Michael's wreck in the face. What a look at that? Oh you're kidding me? Michael's are you gonna tell me? Brett Hart with a short shitter? You're here? Are you kidding me? Chee, I'm no. One sixty, I've got the look, said good half. I've got the moon, I said one hand. Bret Hart gave off with a short chatter. Fix. I'm not sure. Shut the sexy. What are you talking about? Concer Mercy, I'm thinking this prop is living Michael for the cor sitter. I see I do you down your left champion? Talk him, bron Hardness down he hit. What it always deemed is probably one of the most well known controversial moments in for wrestling history. Chris Man. Okay, so let me try to match up your timeline. You had been doing some stuff for them around this time, right, This is an amazing comment. I was just gonna say, it's uncanny how this clip came up. That was a pay per view correct, Yes, Survivors series yep. Okay. So I was on an airplane that night flying to where we're all was going to be the next day because the following night, I wrestled Taka Michinuku in the first round of the light Heavyweight Pornament. So when I got to the building, everybody was a buzz over what had transpired the night before. It was like I had no idea what had gone on because I did not watch the show because I was on an airplane and I got there and I couldn't believe it, and just the scuttle butt backstage and the confusion and what the hell is going on? It? Uh there there were there was a lot of commotion, disbelief all while that's f fed up that they would do something like that. Every emotion you can imagine was going on backstage, and I was right there for it when I just kept my mouth shut, I was I was the outsider, just flattering through there and I'm just watching and uh yeah, but it was like, even for me, it was wow, I can't believe that that happened. Once I heard the details of what transpired the night before, this is one I actually did not watch I didn't I didn't watch this fun live. So I remember picking up on it the next night and uh, even back then early internet days, reading some stuff and it was it was, it was crazy. Uh. So then you leak back up later on at w CW with you because Bill and I have talked about this. Obviously Bill was not at this point time until after the WCW's purchased. But then you go back over to WCW with these guys, uh later, yep, crazy man, Yeah, crazy, it's cool. We got to share some of these clips like it's and a couple of them, I mean there, I guess all of them, all three of them really related to you in a way. Yeah, it's nuts. How how they all did? Yeah, my ultimate inspiration, Macho Man, Randy Savage, my best match of my entire career, my best wrestling match ever, Andy Guerrero, and that event transferred like that. That event transpired the night before, uh, with the first round of the Light Heavily Tournament. And so yeah, they all directly have links to me, which is kind of neat. Yeah, kind of crazy. How I did that? Huh? Well, yeah, crazy, We've reached our time here, this evening. Like we said, Bill's out sick, and you've done a hell of a job stepping up bar Man and filling that and it's just a lot of fun, you know. Yeah, it was cool getting no better by Man was very nice getting to know you as well. Man. Thank you so much, you know, for the opportunity. There's a whole lot of fun. I'm sure we'll cross bats again here sooner or later. Man, I do want to take a second. Do you have some stuff you want to plug? I'll get your socials in the show notes there you're sharing some of the things that you're doing constantly there. Anything else do you want to plug? Anything? Man? That you know? Off topic? Do you know your social handles off the top of your head, I really only do Twitter. I'm on Facebook, but it's more for like my business and friends and stuff like that, so I'm kind of calm on Facebook's My wrestling related stuff is just primarily on Twitter at WCW Crowbar. I'm just too busy to do the other platforms right now, so I just stick to the Twitter. I know how to use it, and you know, that's all all all I got right now. I have a show coming up this Friday for ECP do W and Ridgefield Park, New Jersey. Next week will be ISPW in Midland Park, New Jersey, and I'm looking forward to going back to Philadelphia the ECW Arena twenty three hundred Arena December sixteenth to Wrestle Facade, and next week again for ISPW, I'm locking up with my best friend Danny Morrison formerly known as Dastardly Danny Doring. For me and Bill knows this, when you wrestle somebody you're great friends with a us ends up pretty special and some fun stuff happened, some crazy stuff happens, And I think me and Danny Morrison are gonna tear up Middland Park next week. Love it, Love it man, and I love how you're still at it and doing it for all the right reasons. I think that's it's very meaningful. So keep up all the great work. And for those of you listening, make sure you if you haven't, maybe this is your first episode you listen to. We have an awesome catalog. I think Bill and I have already been at this for nine months. We're like thirty four thirty five episodes in so yeah, go check out some of the other content at build themon dot com and you can contact me a podcast father on Twitter, bills of building them on everything. So pretty simple, straightforward there and until next episode, keep being you and keep being great. Shame last shout. Jeff Townsend Media sees you. Good night. And the question is do I stay here? Will you be back? Are you gonna come back? Will you be back? Are you coming back
