Happy Holiday from Bill DeMott- Ask Bill Anything
Bill DeMott ExperienceJanuary 03, 2024x
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Happy Holiday from Bill DeMott- Ask Bill Anything

This episode of the Bill DeMott Experience, Bill reacts to clips sent by the viewers/listeners of the Bill DeMott Experience! Bill's shares his opinions on Wade, Barrett, Damien Sandow/Aron Stevens, Mr. Kennedy/Ken Anderson, Val Venis, Jeff Jarrett, Juventud Guerrera, Eugene/Nick Dinsmore, Scott Steiner, Misfits in Action, and the 1998 NBC television special Exposed! Pro Wrestling's Greatest Secrets. Happy Holiday's!
What you gonna do brother when Jeff Townsend media runs wild on you? All right, all right, all right, Welcome to the Bill Experience. We are Bill had a cough when I say that. Welcome to the Bill Deemont Experience. Bill has been coughing for over a month. He's been sick and hacking still. But this is actually recorded on the What's Today's date? Bill's twenty? First me first, Yeah, we're gonna take We're not gonna be recording in the following week, so we're going ahead and making some extra content for you here. So Bill, I'm excited to run over a little bit. I know you're sleepy, but I have some cool stuff in store for you. Do it. I'm excited that let's go. All right, so kick things off. I don't know what's been waiting. I'm gonna know it first. And you know him here he did the treatment. Two questions. What was it like wrestling the Undertaker? We've talked about that before. Yeah, I know of us. Be a new listener, thanks for joining us, Noah. And then to Cempunk Wins, Oil Rebel, will you face seth Rawlins or Roman Reigns? Two questions for you? Okay, first question. Working with the Undertaker is a that's one of those things that you kind of hope you get the opportunity to do. And then if you can get past the stage fright and the oh my gosh moments and please don't let me, you know, mess this up kind of mentality you have when you're working with one of the biggest stars in the industry, it's awesome, man, and I and I I was fortunate enough to do it on live events for loops at a time and months at a time, and and the TV spots that we had together, So that was it was an awesome I put that on my you know, notching my belt of one of my favorite UH people to work with, so uh and he's just an awesome guy and he's a leader in that of the ring. So Undertake is always awesome and great experience. As far as CM Punk winning the Royal Rumble, I mean, I'm I'm torn because I think if you asked me to six months ago, ultimately the ultimate prize is a Universal Heavyweight Championship. But now the work that Seth has done and put in and raised that championship up and really been the the iron man of the two champions, you know, been there consistently and doing this thing. I think you'd have to. It's I don't want to give it away because I think there's so many people now involved and who can go whar and win the rumble. I think two months ago everybody thought it was just gonna be Cody, and then Punk came back, and Orton came back, and now we have these things and everybody's gunning for Rings and gunning for this, and gunning for Seth, and Drew McIntyre's in there somewhere, and let's not forget you know, all these other people that want they want a shot of it. But if I was Punk, I'd go with the Uh, I'd go with Seth Rollins. A lot of people are saying that they might keep it all the Big Dog for another year so you can pass Cogan's record. It could be okay. So this is how this is gonna go. I have ten different things to talk about. So just to make this extra fun, I didn't save the file name, so these are just showing up as whatever the Google drive file replay, whatever the screen recording file name. So I actually don't know what order we're gonna go in here that's the fun part about this. So these are people they sent in one an your thoughts about these people, these situations, et cetera. Okay, we're gonna go to the first one here. Man. I don't, I don't. I really don't know what's gonna bring up. Excited. Life used to be very simple, fight or die. It was like breathing. If you stop, you die. But I was lured away into a world of lies, of illusions, a world where life was easy, civilized. But I couldn't live the lie because I couldn't escape the truth. Life is pain. I'm Wade Barrett and my barrage has just begun. Thoughts on Wade Barrett was a question, so I figured that would be a cool thing to bring up to segue into it. I think he one of the most underutilized talent. I don't want to say like completely underutilized, because he still did a lot of great stuff. Let's not lie, but his run should have been that neck. First of all, sorry to cut you off, nod over the next storyline. He should have been a champion at some point during that There were so many other times and opportunities where they could have ran with Wade Barrett and they didn't for whatever reason. Your thoughts on your experience working with Wade, what did you how much were you around them and all that, that's what the gup right. Yeah, he used one of those young cats that came up Dur at that time, the Sheamus McIntyre, all those guys that came up around that time. You knew he had a ton of potential. I thought he had the factor, big tall, good looking kid who could go, who was a man's man. I think there's a lot of opportunities for him, and I think they just let them fall because they unfortunately at that time, if they read out of things to write for you, you were just put on the back burner. I was happy to see him back now and doing what he's doing now because he's extremely talented and he's learned his craft. But I was I was a Wade Barreck fan and then I am a Wade Barrett fan. But he was one of those guys I really thought that they could have gone to the next level with and there's no telling why they didn't, but huge fan. There was a lot of missed opportunities, I think, And and like you said, starting with Nexus, and I've got some bad news. It was going over huge with the crowds and the live events and and TVs and everything else, and it just for whatever reason, it didn't float. He left the company for a little bit, came back. He's he's doing great behind the desk and he's got a lot to offer. So I'm a huge fan of his and I'm glad his career has worked out past the in ring. Yeah. I'd shared that particular one when the Assabata because I really liked till they played off his real life bare knuckle boxing and kind of he is a tough guy, you know. Yeah, And I thought that was another cool thing that just didn't like you said, they just didn't go all the way. It's a dude. But yeah, man, we got another one here, a presentation. I don't know what it's going to be, but we'll see. How fun is this bill? I like this entertainment. Anyone who tries to make a distinction between education and entertainment doesn't know the first thing about either. Fame sociologist Marshall mcluan. Entertainment in our society is at a tragic all time low, riddled with nonsensical pop culture that has little or no social, moral or educational qualities. Gone are the days with the masses were captivated by the works of Shakespeare and Mozart alborringly replaced with observing the lives of ever so desperate housewives or fist pumping to ear drum shattering bass in a sea of false hands and false bravados. Historically, one can judge a civilization as to how they choose to entertain themselves. It is a direct reflection on their moral and ethical code. Sadly, your mirror reflection reveals that you are a people of laziness, mediocrity, and complacency. Blame you for this set ignorance. That is something I pledged to never do. Save you from this set ignorance. Now that that is the essence of my true calling, You're welcome. This is going to be an episode of waste and talent back to back wave bar Damien Sander. I believe this was either ten years too late, this gimmick right there, or ten years too early, because I've watched him rise from when he first started in pro wrestling to what he to what he could do, and I thought that the work he was doing with the Miz towards the end of his run. One was entertaining, two was brilliant, and he could go with anyone. The guy can work with anyone. I thought he was saying got himself over. It didn't he with so many obstacles in front of it, he got himself over and that should have been enough for people to keep the interest behind the scenes, to keep him going. But for whatever reason, it's another one of those things where they didn't see it. They didn't capitalize on him. But he was one of those Arn Anderson you say all the time, you don't want to be known as a hell of a hand, But Damien Sandau was in that group of a hell of a hand. They know he could put them. They could put him out there with anybody. It's gonna be a good match. But I thought his character development was way off the charts. Yeah, I thought everything he did was going great. And like I said, the stuff he was doing with the Miz and then when he's mocking the mis and imitating the miss and doing all that stuff, he showed the entertaining side to him and all that. So I think it's just another missed opportunity. There was that there was a time period when they had these young cats that could really go and could be the stars of today. So a big fan here it's working and watched him. I watched him repackage himself, always thinking about, you know what could get him further? Still doing good stuff in w a Aaron Stevens. I like talking about Aaron Stevens. He will be on this He will be on this podcast soon. Yeah, the next couple of months. I've already got that lockdown. I just need to date. But man, I imagine him a couple of years later on the NXT boom. Uh. But man, there was no reason he couldn't another person that did quite a bit yep, but there's no reason he couldn't have done more. Yeah, it wasn't anything he did or didn't do. And I will say that, well, they dropped the ball in him is the reason he does acting and stuff like that as well. He's a whole next level on that talent. Agreed, do you know what Bobby Lashley is hearing right now? Because it's actually something that everybody, including Bobby Lashley will be hearing from now on. Can car shout out up? Ken Anderson? I personally have another guy that I chat with I like him. Uh, your interactions with him, your thoughts on him? That was asked by one of the listeners. Yeah, again, Ken, Ken was another one of those guys that I had. I never worked with, but I worked around and got to see him, and I don't know the I don't know the ins and outs of what didn't make him more successful. I thought he started out he was on fire, and it just he just fell from grace. Whether that was internally in the back or outside of the ring or whatever, I don't I don't know any of that stuff, and I claimed complete ignorance on it. All I know is he's a talented He was built like a brick, you know what I mean. He was put together good, he was athletic, He had the I mean to me, he's L. A. Knight. Ken Anderson is the original L. A. Knight. The body movements and things like that, and you know, the this that kind of stuff. So I was a big fan, and off of what we were talking about the last episode, I'm glad he's doing well and and sharing that knowledge and getting other peace people ready for an opportunity. But it's to me, so far we're talking about three men that I think were just dropped by the wayside when they had tremendous, tremendous potential to be more than what they already were because he had a good run. It was a short lived run, but it was a good run. Massive Ken Anderson fan. I was a huge mister Kennedy fan. Then Kennedy. Yeah, I absolutely love I loved Ken Andrews. I loved mister Kennedy that character. And but the thing about it is, I think, like you said, he just got it. I think there were some tough breaks. They kind of misdiagnosed and injury pulled the briefcase off of him. They wanted to get the title off a take a lot of things, wanted to play that kind of got him there. That particular thing had nothing to do with I think they thought he was hurt worse than he was and then take her being in that situation too. But man, then he was able to come back now back from it and do some orked stuff. Then, I think is always a lot of these guys talked about it before we're able to go to T and A and just do great stuff. Kran Angle, Bullie Ray, Ken Anderson, several people were able to go over there and do good stuff with the people they had over their Austin Arias, Aj Styles, Christopher Daniels. They went right into the mix with those guys and they did great stuff. So Ken Anderson is is awesome and the capitol off I'll say, because I watched, like we just said in the last episode, I think he's streaming right now, we're recording to see the passion that he has about this business as he live streams and he's doing this training at the academy. Just says it all and how much this in the business means to him. Yeah, because you see a lot of guys and you know, for the lack of sounding like he's disrespectful, there's a lot of guys who get you know, get a building, a warehouse of ring so you know, some stuff and they put a school together. But it's good to see him, not if he is, he doesn't show it. He's not bitter, and he wants to share the knowledgy as and the stuff that he's learned. And he still has a passion for the business. And that's what really that's when we really could sit here and go, well, damn, I wish I wish it would have turned out different. But I'm happy it turned out the way he did, you know, because you can't go back and you know, would have could have shoulded things. I see it along and to me that goes that speaks a lot more about him as a person, and you know, his his his character as a person than anything. So good good on him, and I'm glad he's doing good and people people can learn from him because he's been in that position. Well, that's good to the next random saying what is it gonna be? A hello, ladies? Part of my appearance. But I was just doing a little casting for my next film entitled blust in Space. Yeah, the TV show was good, but I have a rocket in my pocket that will take each and every one of you women on the face of this planet to new and exciting heights. Let's just call it venus envy. But I'm not a bragguard. My actions speak louder than my words, and ladies, when I explode inside the World Wrestling Federation and never fly anywhere, Bill's whispering what a character, though, Man, do you remember this? When it came out, it was like, again, you're on the other side, What the heck are they doing? That was the thing like are you watching this? And it was one of those had to see, had to see how far they were going to take it. Now far the the language was going to go and there and everything else. And he ran with it, Baby, ran with it. Though. Man, they pushed the envelope with with this and that, and at that time, they pushed the envelopement. Excuse me with a lot of things. But uh, hello, lady, listen, there's things that stand out about that error and vows. One of them. What was the name of the movie? He said he was going to be in lust in space? That would He had so many different movie titles. I think what the other one was Saving Ryan's Privateude? There were so many. What a time, dude. But he ran with it. I'll give him credit for that. Man. He did not shy away. He embraced it. He embraced it. Yeah, see what's next? Spin Monday, working Hall on Ago with the hands on the clock, keep spinning new Slow. Ain't to be alone with my babby, now, you know, my baby, come here after around the little figure, cause you know that I won't want to hell and back to be with them. I can't swear to be alone with my babby. No, I really know the wills of the world behind Sunny never left me to rock, got along, dragging mind, its hearted, concentrating around the girls like mine. I can't wait to be alone. She will ever worry in the world. Tell us who is singing that the d O double g road Dog, Brian James, that's the best movie. They eventually used it in a storyline, but that wasn't the original thought. This is the first thing that comes to my mind, is like, when you know when these characters and they were doing these things, they really would all out. We were quicker to just do things, and I think WW have spent a lot more time production wise. But I was one of those guys that when I actually learned that that wasn't Jeff singing, I was mad. I've been muzzled. What about let's talk about this family, well, what all was the filling around within the industry of him and his family and everything with with Jeff and his dad Jerry, and then yeah, Jerry was Jerry was the first one to give me a look in w w F. Jerry Jerry, Jerry was the one who brought me up there when I was a green kid and saw something in me. And gave me an opportunity. So I've been around the Jarrets for a long time. Uh, what they've meant to wrestling is is silly. And then this is one of those things where like I hope when people listen to us and watch us and and get involved, we turn them on to things that they can go back and watch. And I would I would say to everyone, go back and watch Jeff Jared's career from earlier on in Memphis and and things like that. Even go go to YouTube and watch his dad and the stuff that they the stuff that they did. But this character was really great and this and this was another character that came on strong. Yeah, I mean they they they brought the fact of doing these vignettes for so many weeks before we ever saw them get in a ring or get physical or have a storyline that you knew them, you know what I mean. So when they debuted, it was like the best things in Sliced Bread. Your thoughts on the song itself, I thought it was listen, you saw me sitting there. It's the corniest thing in the world, but it's it's recognizable and it's a feel good thing and you can't help but like just go. It's a honky tonk song, so it literally seems like a song that would have been on the radio. Then that's the thing. Yeah, back then it would have it would have been on the radio. And the women sing in the background of all this give me every time. It's like Rodney dangerfielding back to school when he was singing shaking up baby. All right. Now we have Huvatu Guerrero. What World Championship Wrestling is all about? Great international stars from all over the world, This one from out to the border. He is from Mexico. Welcome amigo to Worldwide and hub and to Guerra. A lot of things happening. You're a lot of the more exciting stars in that super cruiserweight division. But what kind of influence is Eddie Garrero having on you right now? You know, all this time it's being have been so many things in my life, in my career, and now with Eddie Gerrero, I feel so happy to be with him, you know, share a room with share a room with him, share a ring with him, because I got a lot of respect for him because when I was a boy, I started in Mexico, so I used to sew him like my Ibel, you know, like the superstar. So now I come here to the United States and I have the opportunity to be with the man because he's for me. He's the best rest of the war. But some gets the impression that Eddie Garreo is very pushy, especially with the great Mexican talent that we have here. You know, I just I know Eddie is going to take the right way. I know Eddie for a fact. You know that move in too. I can say that it's gotta come from it here. Then yeah, I could feel it. I could feel it from from here, from my It's coming from my heart because I know Eddie, and so I I thought to Eddie, I don't know what's gonna happen, but everything to Eddie wants to do, I'm gonna follow him very quickly. In your native tongue, some Spanish, beautiful language. Go right ahead, whens me as me my aster teacher. If we started going to simply, which is rockets, I thank you very much, dude Carrera right here on worldwide. The juice has come back. What he started doing when he started imitating the rock Yeah, on our programming, it was hysterical because he was dead serious. But to the rest of us it was a laughing stock. But he was dead serious that the just baby, the juice is what had to do commentary. For a few weeks he was a laugh riot and then he kind of fell from grace there. What about his talent, A lot of talent. All those all those guys that came in and com in never get the credit for bringing in the talent that he brought in or at least nurtured coming in. But who he hoo. He was Uh, he was amazing. He was right up there with Ray and uh Ray and the rest of those cats. So yeah, I was a big fan and he was a lot of fun. He's a fun guy. Found himself in the wrong spot more often than not. Uh yeah, he quite often walked on the wrong side of the tracks. Yeah, so talented it crazy, but ga does it. He was one of those I think he learned, unfortunately the hard way, as some do, that talent doesn't protect you from the rest of the world. Yeah, it doesn't, doesn't excuse you from things. So SI, we've got well segue all right. Hello, my name is Eugene. Do you want to chocolate? I can eat about a million and a half of these. My mama always said life is like a box of chocolates and you never know what you're gonna get. But but I think life is more like WrestleMania, Like like in WrestleMania three when when Holgan picked up a hundred of giant any Iceland the work last year WrestleMania when Chris bin what he made triple a stap out, or WrestleMania fourteen when Mike Dyson pushed on Michael's in the face he rapped back up. Oh oh, oh, no, oh, So this Nick Dinsmore could possibly be the number one wrestler with a black cloud over his head. And the black cloud I mean like this, this guy can go. Yeah, he can go so much so that he was a teacher at OVW. People went to him. He was a student of the game. He could go with anyone, and nothing he did grabbed anybody's attention. The most serious guy about the business, and he could work. His work was solid, his body was good, young, strong, the whole kit and kaboodle. And they just didn't see every time he came up for a dark matcher, they just didn't see anything in him. Everybody liked him and all of a sudden, this character comes along. He took all of his wrestling and put it in the corner and he became one of the most entertaining and love characters in the history of the of the WWF. And so it's the transformation. And that's what happened to a lot those guys that Damien Sandow guys. You know that the guys that were coming from that time, these guys could go, but they wind up being more entertaining than the craft that they worked so hard at. And Nick's mind was is really good, How do you get a character like that? Hey? And but you can't you know, you could never replace that again. Now you can't come up now. And they took a lot of heat for We talked about rahmeda San last week. Oh, I mean last time I recorded. That's another one. You can't like Eugene another one? What are you gonna do after that? That's it? Once like Eugene doesn't get fixed. It's a it's a you know, it's what's that Jack Nicholson, uh one flew of the cuckoo's nest. That's it he can do that is zapp him and take his brain out. But Nick Nick was another guy who I feel was underappreciated and underutilized. This gimmick worked good, but it was you know, can only go to a certain point, and you know when they were done with they were done with it. You can't sure get heat Bully and Eugene, but great, great character and he's he's he's another one of those young cats in that time frame that had it all and just whatever they were looking for. You had to be willing to fill those shoes and he and he did. Yeah, another thing that he could not quite do today. No, you you definitely can't get a get away with any of that stuff. Eric. It's going to be a free way for the TNA heavyweight title at sacrifice between you, Kurt Angle and Samoa Joe. Now, before you get there, you have an important step tonight as you and ex division champion Pete Williams take on the unlikely duo of Kurt Angle and Samoa Joe. You know they say all man are career to equal, but you look at me and you look at small Joe and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally, if you go one on one with another wrestler, you got a fifty to fifty chance of winning. But I'm a genetic freak and I'm not normal. So you got twenty five percent at best at beating me. And then you add turn Angle to the mix your chance of winning trass to go down. See the three way At Sacrifice, you got a thirty three and a third chance of winning, but I I got a sixty sixty two third chance of winning because turn Angle knows he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try, so small, Joe, you take your thirty three and a third chance minus my twenty five percent chance, and you got an eight and the third chance of winning at Sacrifice. But then you take my seventy five perchance chance of winning if we used to go one on one and they had sixty six per since I got one hundred and forty one and two thirds chance of winning that sacrifice, Joe, the numbers don't lie, and they spelled disaster for you. That was at the beginning or was that in the middle of everybody learning Steinder map. Yeah, like this is what launched it into utter space. Yeah, because every time he did it it was it was entertaining his crap and always so serious, always got one. It's got one volume One Boys, Big Papa Pop Man. But it goes back to your point and you you bring this up a lot A lot of guys did some of their best work when they went to TNA. Yeah, he definitely wouldn't have thought he would go and have another run, but he did. Yeah, an event picture H came in to dowf. They did some man event stuff with Triple H. With him, I don't think they're ever too. I can't speak for that. Didn't seem they weren't an eye on it. They weren't eye on it. He didn't stop there though, he went on TNA and did worse stuff. Your experience with Scott Steiner, love them, Love them. A lot of people have different you know, everybody has an opinion of everybody. They have an opinion of me and everything else. From the minute I met them, both him and Rick were always good to me as far as when I was a young kid walking into WCW. When I worked with them, walked and talked to me. We're very h beyond cordial in the back, you know. Spend time in Japan with them as well, and I got a lot of opportunities to work with both Scott and Rick and singles and then the tag stuff and I enjoyed it. I learned a lot from them, and they were always always professional and always always cool with me. And I think that that's the thing, like, if you're cool with people and they're cool with you, the rest is easy. Scott was Scott. Scott was the one who gave me my started giving my breakout opportunity with the US title UH at the Bay per View when I when I worked with him. So I have a lot of good memories of working with Scott and Rick and UH big big fans of their. Exactly three weeks ago, Eric Bischoff tried to fire each and every one of you. He called you worthless, he called you imbeciles. He said things to you that would shock the old of the elderly. But if it's a war he wants, it's a war he's gonna get. Now, show me your war face. What you have a handle? Un the one up there and I got one mission and has the lit the lit ball ball let hammer. Sir, you will not be known as Major Sash School so Chap o'brewell junior. You will now be known as Lieutenant Logo. Anyone you punks touched me or my stuff, and I will kill you. I have funniest stuff I'll share. Misfits we have a new cadet and believe me, they're the biggest set of bombs I've ever seen. Major guns sall into line, Missnicks. Let's go to Wars. Favorite faction you're a part of and why. Favorite faction I was part of is the Misfits. I know you'd say that, and and don't get me wrong, like the Dungeon of Dune, I was surrounded by legends. Yeah, and and the Alliance you will have the time of your life. The Alliance No took the way out of my sales, I know. But the first family I was with Jimmy Hart, my home WCW. You know. So I was in a bunch of different factions. But the Misfits is when we got to be ourselves and they started to give us a little bit of creative freedom and had a little bit of input on what we were doing and then allowed us to be who we were and world the way we wanted. We talked about this before. This was a cool point for you guys because a lot of people had checked out and then you guys were able to kind of do step up? And do you Lance? Lance tarn't there are so many people. Yeah, I mean they took they and they literally it was a backstage thing. They literally caused a bunch of misfits. They don't know what to do with us, and so we became the misfits of action. And you know, you took a bunch of guys they had no idea what to do it and didn't really care about and we turned it into something pretty cool. Plus you had a cool name. I did. My merchandise sales were out of this world. The uh. I couldn't even sign that. I couldn't even sign an autograph for that man. Such a cool time, dude. I A lot of people are so like over w CW. But for me, it was a cool time for a select few people, I guess is what I'm trying to say. It really was it, you know, because you hear a lot of guys who talk about it, and when a storm, dude, you got to see Lance Storm get the ball and run with it. That's awesome. So smooth, so smooth and so there on everything and so willing to give and take. And there's not enough words or adjectives I could us to describe Lance Storm as a as a person a professional, but it really was. It was It was hard to realize, like the ship was sinking. But man, where we partying, and by party mean where we enjoying ourselves and really have a good time and what we were getting the opportunity to do. So our schedule got harder and everything because we were on the road longer because we were a couple of those guys who never complained about anything, so they just kept putting us out on everything. Yeah, we got one more thing on the union here, Bill. Okay, there's a secret to how it works. First, Private Pain isn't lifting Ben hurt by himself actually working together to pull off this trick. It's really Ben who's pushing off of Private Pain's thighs to launch himself into the air. See there's the push off, But that's not the only secret. Private Pain isn't trying to hurt his opponent. He's actually trying to help him by not slamming him down until his head is safely tucked in. He avoids injury by landing flat on his back and not on his head. Now for basic rule number two, A punch to learning pound guy punched a three on a pound guy in a face. He you have no teeth for a broken jaw. He's right, No one could take a beating like this if the punches were real. So what's the secret? Almost all the wrestlers in the ring tend to work light. We touch very light. All the holes are very light because we might again, we might make it look as most possible. Was a little injury to each other as possible. Just like in a back alley brawl, A closed fist can cause serious damage when it lands on someone's chin. So how do the wrestlers avoid getting hurt? Is the secret? An open fist which doesn't pack any real punch. Unlike movies stunt men, wrestlers don't swing and miss. They make light contacts so their opponent will know when to react. In this angle, we can see that the punches are so light they barely touch the wrestler's stomach. Fans think they're real because they don't know the secrets. Do you remember when this came out exposed her wrestling's greatest secrets. This is just it's like I've started to sweat. My blood's starting to boil. The all Eat Crony sent this in and they said, was Bill private pain? The answer is no? And then hell no, what was the okay? So, first of all, this came out about ten seconds tim excuse me, ten years too late. They really wanted to make a splash. I guess they should have probably worked on it before it was all over national TV everywhere. But man, do you remember when this came out? What were people thinking? They one the biggest thing that was was finding out who they were, which I'm sure everybody did. I think as time went on, everybody found out who they were, but it was more like you got to you gotta be kidding me, like like a lot of them said. It was pitched differently though I'm trying to remember what the exact story was, but yeah, and it was and if I if I remember correctly, so I'm not saying I remember one hundred percent correctly, but it was one of those things of let's get those guys in here, because it's clear that they, you know, they had some kind of knowledge of something, but they were coming off as these guys were the end all be all. But I remember that stuff, and it was so it was infuriating at the time. One it was insulting, but it was infuriating. And then sitting here watching it now, half of it's funny, but the other half, like I said, I started to sweat. I started to get a little angry going. It brought back that really, really is that? Where is that where we're at with this? The quote if you know the secret, if you know the secret? The third mostly the stop. Yeah, I guess it's like it's about a forty five minute documentary. Well at TV special, my coach would have done everything to make sure you could never lift your feet off the mat again if you stopped. There was no such And that's the thing, is like all these myths and yeah, yeah, it just put me to bad mood. The stomp, I think, the stop. And I always heard somebody would saying something the other day on one of the on this day of Paris in history clips. I think it was Brett Heart and WCW. It was that w CW ring that made it worse. Oh it wasn't like WF ring. Oh no, Mell Dane, it wouldn't sound like that, not at all. That ring was horrendous and it was and it was a eighteen foot where WWE's twenty foot so we were all lightning fast in WCW. But those rings hurt like hell, and it was cable and it was oh, for the love of Pete, But you got so used to you didn't know any better. Yeah, you know, the stopping definitely sounded more amplified on the old rings. Brother make the sound Ogan never stopped. Well, that was one of my biggest pet beams. So when I started training people and they committed, they had a preconceived notion of what it was. That the every time they did something like that, it was it was a payday. They were we were doing something different. You stop, you pay, You stop, you pay if you know the secrets, if you know the secrets. Yeah, I think the voice actor is the best part of that though. Oh god, anyway, guys every time, right, they had different different characters. Well I'm talking the voice act, the guy's voice and over narrators. Yeah, you're right, Yeah, different characters. Yeah, they had several different characters. Yeah, there's all sorts of online speculation about who each character was. But yeah, I talk about the voice actor narrating it. If you it's like he was he was telling you something like through you had been robbed and he was esplaining to you, I not that you've been entertained or anything, just that you've been robbed and I'm gonna tell you why. Maddening Yep. I remember that when it came out, dude, we just recorded some extra content so we could take the week of Christmas off. This will come out the week after that. But still, nevertheless, it was a fun ten ten little uh. I don't know what to call them, promo packages up it together? Yeah, everybody together? That was good and and and and again. I hope people when they watched this episode and when they watch what we're doing when we're showing those kind of packages, when you put those together and we get those those individuals, I hope they go and look them up and see their body of work. Yeah, and the things that they've done. Because everybody that we've talked about up until that last snippet was you know, did so much in the business, is so much for the business that it's really a good, good educational tool for the up and comers and people tried to reinvent themselves. These those are those are some guys that I would that I would suggest they watch. If you know the secrets, if you know this, man, I'm gonna have to watch the whole thing now. It's been a lot. It'd be brutal. But yeah, they just think that you're this everybody watching it's just a complete idiot. Yeah, well we thought they were hitting each other. They do talk about the chairs. I remember the chairs. There's nothing basically, there's nothing fake about the chair. It's how you hit them with the chair. Well, I wish I wish there was people I knew who watched that segment then, because some of them I always saw that. I saw that Elegenerico, Sammy's thing, Kevin Steen, Kevin ots to that chair earlier. Yeah, I would have stood right up and beat him. He's the home run, wasn't it. Oh my gosh. Anyway, anyway, Bill Man, thanks for staying over with us and just listen everybody, Thank you for listening live. It's been fun. Man. Now we can spend some time with our families. Yeah, but again, thank you for the awesome you're getting to know you and get to spend time with you every week. This is fun, man. Thank thank you, brother, and thank to everybody who send them the questions. And you know we're on all the social media platforms. Now look forward to meeting and getting to know a lot more of our followers and listeners. But what a great year. And I hope every being enjoyed this episode and just thank you man, thank you for what you do and all your all your podcasts and the and the and the guys that you got coming up and and I'm just looking forward to a good twenty twenty four man. Same here, man, I'm just all in, all in life and on the podcast. So yes, podcast is growing. We appreciate all your support. Yeah, go to build them dot com. You have links to everything there, video form, audio form obviously, it's available wherever you watch or listen to your or consume your podcast. So yeah, again, thanks everybody to the all the support lately. 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