What you gonna do? Brother? When Jeff Townsend media runs wild on you? All right, it doesn't matter. How does that sound? We sound better? I'll just talk a little sound great to me? Yeah? Thank you appreciate that and you look good to Except for that, let's go ahead and get going. Hey, welcome to the Buildemont Experience. I'm Jeff Townsend. Joining me, of course, is former pro world traveled professional wrestler man Japan. Where did you actually like? What was the first promotion you actually started out with, Bill? The first one I worked steady for is Puerto Rico. I spent three years in Puerto Rico, which then turned into three years in Japan and three years in Mexico. It's turned through coming back to the States in ninety five with WCW. Puerto Rico was it? When was Japan? Was that before Puerto Rico? Well, Japan was in between Puerto Rico and Mexico. So I used to do three three to five weeks in Japan, go to Mexico for three weeks, then go home for a week, then do three to five weeks in Japan, Mexico for three weeks, come home for a week. So okay, So let me try that again, knowing that I'm not going to include all that too. Welcome to the Bildemont experience. I have Jeff Townsend, He's Buildemont. We'restled all around the world Puerto Rico, Japan, wcw ecw WWFWWE then, of course the trainer that ended up in NXT and now he's here making a podcast with me. How does that be? Boom? We just nailed it a lot of rye and yeah, I like that. How are you doing? Man? But it's too good? Red Hey, let me ask you this really quick, because I know all over the country people are dealing with weather. How's everything in your neck of the words? Everything has been like crazy cold here, so today just warm back up. We're gonna get some snow tonight. Then it's gonna cool right back down for a couple of days. I'm talking to like negative twenty degrees wow, watching football is past weekend, and then talking to my brother in law who's in Iowa and it was negative thirty with the wind chill. So it's it's it's funny here in Florida because we hit that thirty eight forty degree mark and everybody's in there mucklucks and you know these snow boots in these giant first skinned hoodies and I'm going, what, oh God, Yeah, Thunder's foe and we get a little cold stoff and everybody freaks out. But Bill, you reached out to me actually man to start the week, and you said we need to talk about this. What you did was you send me a screenshot of Oh, I don't even remember who the news article do you sent me? But ultimately what it actually developed originally from was the Wrestling Deserver radio conversation like a lot of the other wrestling rep websites, and there's nothing, there's nothing wrong with it. It's fine, but they most of the wrestling news is referencing the Wrestling Observer his letter out of You're right, everybody seems to picking back off of that specific entity in this in this industry. So yeah, they're fightful and they do their own originals. But yeah, ultimately, what you had come across was an article I think that was referencing Wrestling Observer. So what I did was I had actually hadn't heard that until you sent it to me. It was referencing the injuries and NXT and I actually found the conversation that sparked the story that everybody was covering. So I'll go ahead and we'll get into that. Okay, well play that clip, then we'll discuss what you wanted to cool. I mean, I was funny because Garrett brought it up to me and just goes, you know, I mean, it was like, you know, you're you've been friends with Dwayne. I mean, I'm not allian friends were doing today, but I certainly was. Also this weekend, cor Jade at a house show went down and had to be helped out, and we do not have an update yet, but said to be a knee injury and potentially serious. Not looking good, perhaps torn ACL, which a lot of people, a lot of people in XT suffer the torn acl, So whatever's happening, I don't know. I had people this is before core Jade was hurt, but this is when Sol Sol Ruka went down, and you know a couple of the others when when you Cheernikia Lions just telling me that that they were questioning the method of training when it feels like all that which Tikan knocks got two of them. Yeah, you know, I one each leg I believe right, yep, And you know, just questioning like what are they doing in training, because historically women don't get torny acls left and right, and these this n XT whatever it is. You know, they train them very very hard, which is in theory a good thing, but not if you're going to have this this level, this many injuries, you know. I mean one of the things was was I remember even years ago when it came to the NXT stuff, it was like they would want everyone in this great, great condition, they would train them really hard, and then there'd be all these injuries, and it was like, you know, they you've got to kind of kind of find that balance to where you know, you're you're getting people in condition, but not what you know, it's you know, it doesn't benefit your conditioning to then have injuries because the injuries take away from your conditioning no matter how hard you train. So you know, you don't want to overtrain the people. And I'm sure that in time, you know, this will all be worked out and figured out, because it's all you know, this the type of training that they do there, you know, with legitimate strength and conditioning coaches and things like that, is is it's it's somewhat new for wrestling, you know, I mean in the sense that you know, it's more you know, it's more sophisticated training. I mean, New Japan does a different kind of training, you know, and you know it's live and learn and learn, you know, and but hopefully whatever it is, and obviously in the ring in a match, you know, getting hurt in a match is a different thing that can happen in any time. But whatever it is, you know, I mean, it's it's more with women than the guys. A lot of women have been going down with torn acls more than just like a fluke coincidence. It feels like, yeah, I will say one thing. Sometimes I've I've recorded like thousands of hours and i feel like I've had a bad day and I can't speak well. It's like that every time I listened to every time Dave Meltzer, he's really struggled to our deculate his thoughts in spoken language. Go ahead, though, Bill, So, there's a couple of things about back Clip that bothered me, and you know, I'll address them out of order because says it is the first thing he says, like, you know, he talks about Wendy Chew and soul Raka and he says, and they said he may he makes Melcher makes it sound like he's spoken to those particular talent. If you take it in the context of how he's speaking, he's spoken too particular talent that have said the training is too hard. But then he goes on to say, well, you know you're have these injuries in the ring. All these injuries have happened in the ring. If I'm not mistaken, there may be one outside the ring. I'm not sure, so I can't speak on it. But the thing that bothered me, what I wanted to talk about was this is how and here's where I'm gonna cuss, and I try really hard not to cuss. Here's how the shit disturbing starts in this business. You have someone that comes out and says they're doing too much, and look what they're doing to the women. Until you go down there, until you spend a week with them and see what they do, you cannot comment nor make a suggested on out people being trained. There's nowhere in this world, in any company, that people get trained better to avoid injury. Now is it a thing where these ease listen Corgia get hurt in the ring. So we do the background. She's been out for a while, she's missed. Now she's back full bore. Maybe she tweaked it. Charlotte Flair just went down with a torn acl Did she get that? At the XT? I feel and I'm being a little bit sarcastic because I feel like there's this is how accusations start, this is how pointing the finger starts. This is how people start talking about And now this opens it up for the IWC, the Internet wrestling community, to start voicing their opinion on how people are being trained, and it puts NXT and the trainers in have bad money, and that's what bothered me about this, and then listening to it, it bothers me more because if you're the inside guy and you have the inns and Duane's your friend, although you haven't seen Dwayne in a while, then you should have an open door to go see what's going on instead of suggesting that the training is too hard or they're overdoing it, and they're really putting the women through their paces, which couldn't be farther from the truth. And that's the part of it that really when I saw that article come up, I was like, Jeff we got a touch on it, because that's the kind of thing that hurts a program, that hurts a system, that hurts a company, that hurts talent, Like do all the homework on it, courgetebent out for months, and now she's back into what you know what, Ennecy adds the full schedule. It happens. It sucks that it happens. You have trained athletes that WWE brings in that have trained a certain way for their sport, and there's gonna be bumps and bruises and things, and sometimes things give I'm not justifying the injuries, but I'm also saying this bothers me because it stirs the pot and opens the door for people to start making accusations that they have no idea what they're talking about because just one thing, the one thing that's addressed on a daily basis, is there too much going on? Old school guys say, jeez a little. You can't make it any easier, and you can't control what talent does outside of the performance center. So I know for a fact that yes, while they have the State of New York training, they still go to the gyms on their own, they still train on their own, They still do their phase. So I just don't. I just didn't like the picture being painted. And again I have no skin in the game. I just read it, and as someone who's been through it, I just didn't. I just didn't care for it. And then listening to it, I really didn't care for it because it's just in your window. It's just an opinion, and that's what wrestling is. It's an opinion. But that opinion should come from wrestlers, not from people jumping to conclusions if you will. And I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not trying to be negative toward meltzering those guys. I'm just saying that was the thing that caught my eye when I read. I go, well, this is how it all starts. Now your trainers are under scrutiny, and this one's under scrutiny, and now there's there's a social media blitz and everybody's you know, the court of public opinion comes out, and it just I guess it just touched the nerve for me to start the week, you know, because if it looks all the way around, and I'll put it, I said them, Yeah, I'll say it again. Charlotte main roster, not training NXT. It happens after all the wear and tear of these athletes put their bodies through and clearly do it on their own on their days off, because we always see Charlotte posting about how she's working out and things like that. So thing's gotta give. You can only do this this thing for so long before your body needs a break, even if you don't know it. So it's just one of those things. And the legs are the biggest part of this business. So that's why you see a lot of knee injuries, eggle injuries, things like that. So you know, and those things happen. I just didn't like the painting the picture that it's the way they're being trained, and specifically of the women are being You say, you obviously don't have a dog in the hunt anymore? Is that how you phrase that? You may have said something else, but same thing I'd said, I have no skin in the game. Yeah, they kind of did, almost to me reference a Bill DeMont time in an x TAM. Yeah, did you get that? Kind of got that feeling that there are they saying we or back to that. I mean, I'm not sure what they're saying, but yeah, but see what I mean. But that see, so you heard it, and with your knowledge and our relationship and what we do in our conversations, right, you hear that and all they're going there. That's how those things start. And you're also taking athletes that have trained on their own, whether they're D one athletes or not. They trained with their you know, perspective sports and their trainers and everything, but they did their thing that they got used to. Now that's a different way of training. The WWE specifically trained for longevity, so they're not over training because that contradicts the whole premise of being on the road. You know, they trained to make longevity, training you from me inside out so you can sustain that the bumps and bruises, the wear and tear and all those things. But yes, it seemed like they did rep Oh back in the day, this was a big problem. And I'll say, okay, go back in the day, and we never had all these knee injuries. It's just a circle of how it works. But I felt like he was pointing the finger and stirring the pot for people to jump in and go ooh yeah, Matt bloom, ooh what is Shawn Michael's really doing? Oh, Sarah mondel, Oh you know, Molly, what what are all these people doing? Let's question that instead of looking into because trucks me, that medical staff and those trainers and that whole building. It's very aware that, wow, here it's another knee injury. What do we need to do. It's a constant, daily progression of protecting your talent and still making sure they're you know, they're ready for the next steps or whatever it is. But let's face it, these things happen. Are we gonna Are we gonna question the ll now? Because three quarterbacks hurt their fingers in the playoffs must be something with the way they're throwing the ball. Yeah, they're hitting the helmet of the guy rushing. Wrestlers wrestle and tagle up and do sometimes unnecessary maneuvers and stunts and these things, and people get hurt a lot. Austin Theory and Carmela Hayes, Carmelos. But like I said, new would get me a little worked up. But yeah, it just seemed like, don't stir the pot man? Did you agree with the comments? Essentially, he was saying this whole actual professional approach to physical training. Athletic training is new to wrestling. Well, the next Sea's definitely brought a little bit more legitimacy to this that process by having you know, there's been the talent has had a trainer, a professional trainer since two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine. I could be off there a little bit. John Cena's guy robed down in Tampa. All the talent you suhould go to our knocks and was trained by Rob. Rob was the one who originally started the training program, developed for the individuals, their strengths, their weakness that all become total devas the trade was down. Yeah, come on there, ed Johnson. Yeah, and that was that seenless guy. So Rob, you know, he invited them all in and ninety five percent of the curve trained with Rob, and Rob worked things out with them and you know, adjusted it to them. And then the progression is the performance center. Let's bring in professional trainers and all these things and their dieticians. And it's only so it's it's not something that's new. It's new in the three hundred years of wrestling, yes, but in as far as the modern day, it's been around for since two thousand and eight. So whatever the math is the past fifteen years or something like that, So I guess it's still considered new. But this is one of those things, the vision of Triple H and the company of the progression of the w W Superstar. Dave's implying the changes need to be made, Dave Meltzer, What changes need to be made? Bill? Uh, we need to stop pointing the figure and making accusations and by all means, I say, if you're going to report on it, then go down and report on it. Did he ever stop buy and hang out with you guys when you were there? Dave's mill never never never heard, never heard of match, never heard anyone, And I've also heard no one was ever turned down if they did so asked because we had newspapers and media there from all over the world on any given day every week. He did say that New Japan does some training like this, are you aware of well, I trained the New Japan style and I mean five hundred squads of days. That is that hurts your knees? Hell yeah, I mean you're you're doing you're doing the net cards, You're doing these stings, you're doing the deck of cards now, it's I'm sure it's progressed as well. Any any training before, during, or after wrestling match is a wear and tear in your body, and it's the individual has to, you know, I think, has to applimate to that. But I go back to the I just feel like he was calling out the system and saying, well, there needs to be changed, there needs to Well, well what is it? You know? I go by Vince if you if you disagreed with it, you have to have an answer or at least a counterpoint to make your opinion mean more than just you ever heard of Captain Hindsight on those South Park episodes. No, he would show up after a disaster and tell you, like what you could have done to avoid it? Yeah, yeah, he's so so I'd say coaches are proactive and internet reporters are reactive. So he makes his money on being reactive. I just didn't care for the point of pointing the finger in saying the way they're being trained, and especially singling out how the women have been and are being treated. That really bothered me. I mean, I've had knee inentries, but I guess I never I didn't know when he like he kept saying especially the women like in the ACLS, I didn't know. I guess they had less ac altairs. Literals torn both my ACLS and never once blamed an opponent. Or it's the nature of the beast and all the things these athletes are doing now on a nightly basis, these whirling dervishes and all these things. Someone's gonna land wrong, someone's gonna step on someone's ankles. So you know something's gonna happen. That part of the business I get, and you don't need to defend that part. What I felt like I needed to speak about in wisdom, specifically how the women were being treated the next he and how something has to change and has to be a progression to their seat. So you're not you're not pulling, you're not hitting the panic button. For Matt Bloom and Shawn Michaels, then absolutely, not not for one trainer, not for the strength and conditioning coach, not for the way the system is. Not not one time until that particular, until talent comes out and says not I heard talent say, or not I heard from people this is what is said. Until you hear from a Wendy Chew or soul Rock are you hear from Core Jade. I've just been doing They've been making me do this, this, this and this, and I tried to fight doing I just couldn't do it anything well, and different factor to this, and the huge factor is I'm bagged up. I'm sore. I don't want to bring it up. I don't want to talk about it. I want to fight through it. I'm an athlete, I'm a professional. I've just came back. I'm doing all these things and sometimes your body just goes. I wait, finish it up with your thoughts again. On Dave Meltzer letting us know that he's friends with the Rock, Well, last time I talked to Dwayne, I mean, I haven't talked to him a while, but Dwayne and I I first of all, I've never addressed him as Duene and I'm not sure. I'm sure Dave grew up with him. I'm sure they went to the same middle school, and I'm sure you know they went to the University of Miami and sat with him on the bench and all that. But you know, I'm sure him and Dune are still tight. They haven't talked in a while, but I'm sure they Where I'm from that's name dropping. Yeah, but he named dropping, and I know what you're saying. That is kind of like a name dropping thing for sure. When you start off like, well Dwayne, well you know, I haven't seen a while, but Dwayne's still doing the meat. I don't know, I just would you get back feeling bright? Shake shack? Take a sands on the rock? What don't get my mother? Many? Sweat shack? Don't you finish the model? Jeff Townsend. Media saves you good night? And the question is do I stay here? Will you be back? Are you gonna come back? Will you be back? Oh? You coming back? I think
