What you gonna do, brother, when Jeff Townsend media runs wild on you? All right, all right, all right, This is Jeff Townsend and joining me as always as the legendary former e c W guy, former w CW guy, former w F guy, former tough enough guy, turned then that point on trainer extraordinary, an x T starter, n x T breaker, an x T maker, all the above. You're everything. You're there when beneath my wings build him all, been at all, I've done it all and I'm still a four. So yeah, those are you watching for the first time? Welcome. We got plenty of people jumping in across eight different platforms, live right now, coming along, join us on the experience bill. Talking of experience here, you're in a new room. Here. Man, you got starfish in the background. You got you got kicked out of the other room. I got kicked I got kicked out of the main, main part of the mansion, and I'm taking over. We have, you know, everything, we use foundation, So even when I'm not at the Foundation's office, I'm always working from home doing something. So this is the room, this is Carrie's bedroom. And so what we've done is put my office home office into Carrie's room where we keep a lot of the foundation stuff. So it's it's a mess this week. I apologize to everyone, But everyone gets to see the starfish in the back of the giant starfishing out like I was telling you offline. You know, we use that for community events and when you know, when we go to safety events and things like that, the starfish is part of carry So we got this starfish outfit and we always have a volunteer adjusice up and we hand out the bracelets and things like that. So that's kind of one of the funner things we do with the younger kids. I'm in the process of rearranging, so I apologize to everyone for the I'll tell you what you're not careful and that things slid down. Moro. I'll turn to a dog better around there. I'm telling you. With the lights off and you turn it on, I think the eyes follow me. Oh it's a little kabookish, you know. With the starfish thing. This will fit into the scary stories, you know, show that I have. Huh, that's another day for another time. We'll get a big baby with that stuff. I'm a big baby with scary stuff, man, So we're like I said, we're here live all across social media, YouTube, all the above. The Beldamont experience is growing. Man. The cool thing about what we're doing. And again, always tip of the hat to you for all the hard work you put in the other eighteen days we're not shooting this. There's you know, you're like the Beatles, eighty eighty eight days a week. Wow. But I've been called worse. I'll take it. The beauty part of it is is that on these other platforms that you were now on is getting the messages and seeing comments and things like that from the experiencers. It's really cool how it's picking up. And I really look forward to this every week. And there's so much more we could do too. I tell you, it's just you have to have enough time in the day, you know. Yeah, But they just this this little thing called life that interrupts all that little thing called life and the little thing called so work in progress. But you're doing the hell of a job, man, Appreciate it. Bill. I'm excited to talk today, man. I actually don't have a whole lot of the agenda, So we are going to talk today about Tony Conin on Twitter you want to lead us off with what happened on Twitter this week that you saw from your point of view, Bill Deemont, So what I saw on social media, not what I know. What I saw was Tony Kahn not being issued with gender Mahal back on WWE TV, not only having issue with gender man All ormenting WWE creative and kind of chastising them saying, this is what you got. Gender mahal All never hasn't been around all of a sudden, He's in the main event with seth Rawlins, right, that's kind of the gist of it. So he was kind of going, really, that's all you got for me is the way I took it. You hit the hammer on the nail. He just kind of it's almost like he can't like resist himself. He just can't not comment back or he cannot not reply. Let's kick it off with this. Let me see if I can find it so cool thying here. I actually found a new podcast. Actually didn't, I'll be honest, I didn't know this one exists. So Matt Morgan teams up with a couple guys. Oh, Matt's right down on the street from me, I know, Yeah, Matt Matt's the mayor or is he a commissioner or is he he's a commissioner. I don't remember how they were I don't Knowmber how they were it. I think he might be the commissioner. I don't think he's the mayor. I think he's the commissioner. The commissioner. That sounds That sounds cooler, doesn't it? It does done better than mayor. So the the first thing set out to me about this show is, and we'll show it to you here, that had the most amazing thumbnail on YouTube ever and it's definitely I'm sure led will be the most downloaded video ever because of this great thumbnail artwork. Then we'll go into the clip. Check this out. Okay, giganic Pop is the name of the podcast. Matt, have you ever gotten into Twitter fight with anyone? I feel like I'm the only one so number one. You were doing what was a very leading hashtag back a while ago, and it should be again, And that's don't hinder gender. Gender has gotten himself an amazing shape. This dude is shreded, shredded as far as his body looks. His work has gotten better. He became ada left field, a heavyweight champion and this show they advertised a former heavyweight champion would be here. So the fact that Tony tried to clown that make fun of that after you tried to point out that there's at least a little issue here between the two between him and Zeth Rollins. This is why you guys, you get I'm going to shock here for a second, if Tony Khan was not such a mark constantly replying to Tom Dick and Harry or anybody that says anything remotely semi negative about aew on Twitter, this is the time Tony to yes, respond when usay, which when the USA Network, who this is beyond me, actually has somebody that that's plugged into professional wrestling enough to even know who you are, what your show is, et cetera, et cetera, and then more importantly, to clown you about you being such a mark for Cage whatever it is, wrestling dot Com and how you judge your show's success, which these matches get like thirty two votes, some get like sixty four, and like that's what you're basing your success on. That's pathetic, But neither here nor there. This is the time, Yes, Tony, this is the time you defend your company when people are making fun of you, especially USA net Work executive. Yes, but unfortunately, because you're not just the boy that cried wolf, you're the boy to ascribed wolf for like three years straight on Twitter. This is why you need to have your Twitter taken from you. People say Trump needs to have his Twitter taken away Tony Kahn, You're not too far behind. You need to have your Twitter taken from you because when you had a chance now to defend your company, it falls on deaf ears because you constantly, constantly, constantly have this contest to trying to be the world's tallest short person and brag about stupid things that nobody on God's Green Earth would brag about with their company or their ratings and this and that. And because you replied to everybody because your skin is so amazingly thin, this was your chance to actually hit back, and it's gonna fall on deaf years. It's like the tree that falls in the forest. Nobody's listening because you don't shut the f up on Twitter. I'm begging you. My friends work there, my friends in the future are going to work there. If you want as for your company, please stop being such a mark the blueprint Matt Morgan Like, here's the only thing I disagree with, and we've talked about it. Why is he on Twitter if you want to read about yourself, or if you need to know that you're being talked about, or your company's being talked about as trending worldwide or all these things. Nothing good comes from the owner creator Baker becoming a Twitter nerd. But you know it's so funny is you said that to me and without me seeing it, I sent it to you because great mind stick alike And the first here he goes again, Why here's the thing you're bagging on someone that you'd hire a heartbeat. Yeah, I think that's a fair point. I'm sure you hire Ginger Maul. So if you know the history of gender and seth all the way back to NXT and the first NHT champion and all these things that come up, what and what? Why are you so concerned with what someone's doing with someone else when you've got Hobbs, Wardlow, miro Willow, all these people on the back burn are not doing anything. Be concerned about your product, be concerned about your system, Be concerned about your people, your players, your business, your organization, your things. You can't recreate and we've talked about it, so you can't recreate WCWWWE rivalry. Tony's not putting WWE out of business, Tony. He's not getting eighty three weeks. He's not getting eight weeks. He's not getting three weeks. But all he keeps doing is shitting more viewers to turn over and see what he's talking about. Do you think it turns people off from the product itself? Yeah? Yeah, you know ducking And I didn't see any press conferences or anything like that. I know he was asked a lot of questions. He's got no problem being made the fool of with Tony Storm putting an afro wig on him, and the glasses and all these things. He's in on the rib of Tony Kahan, he said, he said, on his own rib. That's like he's ribbing himself on the square here. Every time he's in front of the camera, every time he speaks, every time he tweets on social media, he's ribbing himself. But I think he's turning people off to it. It's and and it just to me, it opens the door for more criticism, not critiquing criticism and now people just want to nitpick everything that goes on because here's a billionaire. Yeah. I can't count on one hand how many times tweeted tweeted negatively towards another company. Vince was a man and just came out and said, what do you have to say? Why does Tony need that terrible advertising Dommy feds here on Twitter said he has a blueprint or what not to do in WCW ninety nine to two thousand and one, and he's making the exact same mistake. Yeah, and he's opening the door to keep us all in business. It's such a fine line. It's like a passion project for him, almost. And if you looked at it just like that Bill, if I were to say to you, this is just for fun Tony Colin, I'm not saying that's what it's what he feels, but would you look at it the same way? You probably would because you have a lot of coworkers working there and things. I assume, Yeah, I'd look at it more with more humor because I know it's not going to go anywhere and it's not going to do anything. It's just you know, the flavor of the month. The problem is that ae w quote me here, everybody who's listening to this and using sound bites. I said, I had the opportunity to really make a footprint in the wrestling industry. And I think that a big part of it not going to be a bigger success than what he wants or or he's opening the door for TNA to step up and everything else, is because he wants to be in on it. Pick a side, dude, Either put the tights on or come on dance like na nah and do not if that's the fix you need. But for the love of Pete, stay off. I've been very interested, and I'm saying is als. I'd be very interested to see what Christian Cage has to say about it, Copeland has to say about it. Like if they were to really speak about it's what you're saying. If they're like, you know, does he run it? Ask to anybody, where's Daniel Brian? Right? They they've already staid Daniel Brian ahead of all things morality based and Twitter and all this stuff, so they put him in a bad spot, at least in the public eye. We're all aware of who he is and what he does. He's part of the cutting commission, But why is it East? You know, somebody's got to just grab him by the mouth and say shush, because every time he does it now it's absolutely insane. So going back the last couple of weeks, we haven't really talked about him, but AW has had a lot of things had it. I guess a different discussion going on about them too, And I guess it kind of took the attention off of that and either one. It's a good thing necessarily, but I just don't think he can help it. Man and listening, and I'll share a clip here in a second. But Eric Bischoff, of course, who's very been very vocal and honest about his feelings toys the way w's managers, asked a really good quest this week about what he would do differently. When I listened to Eric Bischoff talk about that, I thought like, Man, I can't picture Tony Kahen being able to like take a step back. He seems like not that type. But then somebody would say Vince mc mann was so involved, what's what's the difference? Bill? The difference is Vince was so involved in the business aspect, only he's just involved in what he's involved in Yeah, Vince mic Mann, it was Vince McMahon, and there was a mister McMahon. They were Yeah, and mister McMahon was the character. But Vince McMahon himself did what was best for business and was always evolving. So we talk about how some some fans and some podcasters and some journalists always think that there should be more to AEW but the saying guy keeps cutting it back down, and Sulyn, you're just not going to take it seriously so much so that I don't care about any more huge announcements. I don't care about you know now, to me, everything's a joke on them every time the lights go off. To me, it's a joke every time. Now we're getting people on social media is showing with their phones what really happens. People are literally criticizing every inch of that show from where the cameramen then are on during the TVs to you know, all over social media, and Tony keeps opening the door for that to happen. And I wish someone would go listen. If you're proud of what you're doing, that's awesome, but for you to stir the pot either start hanging around with people who are really good shit disturbers and can really help you stir the pot or stop trying to be that guy, because I feel like all that happened this week was see he took more eyes off his product and put it on the other one. You know, there's a difference. Tony Cohn's kind of in this more modern era of getting wrapped up with social media and post and I don't think that's in Vince fick Man's DNA or triple A. Sure does Tony CON's dad tweet I don't know you follow because you have Twitter? I don't know. I'm sure he has every reason to boast on social media. Successful, yeah, oh yeah. His football team across the pond does well. His football team year came close again. Uh, their their sport, their their business endeavors. But I don't see his dad outing or pointing the finger at or at the New York Giants going oh, look up bad they. I don't see that. So where does it come from? Except for that one word that I really don't like. And that word starts with an M and ends with an A and ars in the middle, and it's called the mark. But he's not a mark for the business he's been a mark for himself. We're all marks for the business, or we wouldn't have gotten into it. Yeah, to an extent about this business, I was a mark for which made me get into it. You're a mark for the business because to me, it's just the same as a fan. It's just that sometimes it's just a derogatory word. But it's derogatory in this case with Tony Kahm because start thinking about your people instead of talking about gender bahaal, Why aren't you putting Tony storm more? You know, why aren't you doing these things instead of Now everybody talks about everybody who's leaving and all the controversies that are going on and adding Tony to that, to that mix, and I just wish someone. I cannot believe with all those brains there that no one's telling them to stop and unlet's see unless he truly can't help himself and you really don't care what you're doing, and if the business falls, so what, I'm still a billionaire and everybody in the organization screwed. I mean, he seems like a pretty approachable guy. I met Tony many years ago in the PC just opened. He came and took the tour. Tony's a fan of the business. I heard Robert Kraft talk talk earlier today about Bill Belichick and how when the Kraft family bought the Patriots, initially he said he still looked at that that team. Now that he's a businessman with the NFL, but he was still the guy sitting on the steel bleachers watching the games. He was a fan of the game. Yeah, and he had to be taught how to become a businessman in that world of NFL. To me, that's the greatest analogy right now with Tony Khan that I would use. Is he still in this still in the great seats, front row, second row, third row, still touring and seeing the wrestling that he enjoys. But when does he become the businessman that could literally change the face of professional wrestling. I feel like it's two steps forward and four steps back. But to me, that's the analogy I would use what Robert Kraft said about having to learn the business part of the sport he loved and the team he bought. He needed people to help him along the way. So Tony Kahan needs a Bill Belichick. Tony Khan needs someone who's not going to go. That's awesome, boss, great, I love it. Let's do that. Someone needs to go. That's so wrong. There's no heat guy that I'm aware of. In aw By the way, that's the one thing I was best at. I was the heat guy. The boss told you what to do, you did it, You planned it out, and you took to eat for it. Takes all the pressure off of Tony Kahan. But I think there needs to be a he guy, someone to stand up and go. Come on, did Tony take the tour as a fanner? Was he looking for pointers? This would have been way before, all way before aew was even a thought. He was a fan and knowing you know that, the Jaguars and everything, and he wasn't far from you know, far from us. And that's what I say. I respect Tony, and I know it sounds like I'm bagging on him because they kind of amd, because I want him to stop, like I would love to have a conversation with him for twenty minutes and say this the same exact way to him. He doesn't need to be a character. Don't fall into it. You cannot repeat history, so don't keep taking eyes off of your product. Fair point there someone said it needs to be Jeff Chariott. Well, I mean Jeff Jerris. I'm sure Jeff Jarrett's word weighs heavy. This means I'm sure it would go a long way. But I, like I said, I don't know you. You and I don't know. We're not on the inside. We don't know, so we just speculate. But I have to think that whoever might be saying something to him needs to sit down and really hold hold his hand to the fire and go Tony, don't touch. Yeah, let's play the clip for Marek Bischoff. And he was asked, what do you to improve AW? Take him off television. You're gonna say, turn him down. Kidsn't either that or turnam Heel being a great obnoxious Heel would Yeah, but he is not a baby face. The guy should not be anywhere near a red light, on anything that looks like it might be a camera. You know, it's just you should not not in a press, not in your quasi cosplay, press conferences or media scrims or whatever you're trying to present. Just nothing. Let somebody else be the face of your company. And when AW first started, what I was excited about is it appeared for a couple of months, like Chris Jericho was going to be kind of the face of the company because we're hearing a lot from Chris about aw and you know, and I thought, Okay, that kind of makes sense. And then all of a sudden, I'm seeing Tony, you know, and I'm going, somebody must love him enough to tell him that this is not a good idea. Somebody got to have a girlfriend or parent, brother, sister, anybody say, Tony TV, you yeah, let somebody else be the face of the company. That'll be number one. Number two is I would hire somebody that really understood professional wrestling, that was a fan like Tony, that really loved the product, but but loved it because of its story potential. Somebody that had new wrestling but also really understood the story. I thought, you've thatst some great points. When I first listened to that, there's a there's only three guys that you can listen to in this business about this one be and put him in any order you want, and then we can add people. I would I would say four, but it's Vince, Paul Hayman, Eric Bischoff, and then put Hi hum to there so that I mean, I think Eric and I said the same exact things, just different ways, like find someone that you can trust. Because he alluded to that cosplay, that thing with the wig and all that stuff. He's part of, the part of his own rant, and he wants to be one of the boys, and I think he wants to be in the locker room and I think he just wants to be loved by everybody. And there's nothing wrong with that. But don't go on social media, don't keep taking eyes away from it, and stop playing, stop being the court jester and your media scrums and all this stuff, because your talent runs rough shot over you know what I mean. He's got some really good things that can happen there. And I feel like for wrestling fans like myself, once you lose me, you have to do something to get me back in. But if you if I'm on the verge of really not being interested in kind of just I'll just get the highlights from you know, the the independent wrestling community and all this stuff or social media, then that's all you're gonna get from me is gonna watch the highlights, and trust me, I can watch the highlights and talk about wrestling all day. But you have such great colin Listen, Eddie Omega should be the should be the face of ae W. He's no dummy. He's hip to being a fan of the business and being a professional in the business. He's hip to social media. He's hip to how things should run. He's part of what started the company. So much like Eric was saying, Jericho, which I would think Jericho wouldn't be He'd be the face of that company if he was the first time you ever saw Chris. But Chris is a legend before he got the aw But you could take a guy like Kenny Omega, make him the face and make him the you know, the heat guy, and make him the but make him the face of the company. All this stuff, and we already know you only only we already know you're you were the savior to wrestling. We already know during COVID you were running Daily's place. We already know the things you keep telling us and telling us, but all we see are the things that you're doing. Yeah, we got a lot of people listening live across eight platforms. We appreciate it. We are discussing Tony Kahan's Twitter activity. I think I actually titled this this record, and I'm trying to remember what I telled it. Somebody canceled Tony Khan's Twitter account. Polease. It was a little extreme, But I think Chris Jericho really did kind of and initially he kind of was that face right because it was somebody that we had recognized before. And I think he definitely Getting Chris Jerich in the game was a huge, right. I think it drew people and to watch it for sure, But at this point in time, you're right, you got to settle on something long term. So we're talking about Eric Bischoff is talking about being the face of something like, how would you say, in your opinion, WWE approaches that they come bight out and tell you knock it off. Here. The best thing that we did back in I could say back in the day because I'm old, but back in the day, I remember when we brought in social media training really and then everybody was all bent out of shape about it, when Twitter was the new rage and all, and we literally had talent meetings and we had people from Twitter fly into Boston and fly into these things where we had big shows, and the whole roster was there and people all bet other need to be told how to do this, but you were told how to do it, and this way you were your hand was held to the fire because now you've been told thedes and don'ts, the rights and wrongs and will help you. But someone is always overseeing that. And if Natalia was on Instagram, which she's over huge on Instagram, Yeah, and she does great stuff about promoting herself, her brand and the company and the wrestling business. But if Natalia came out and said, oh, jennib All got no business being there and who is he anyhow, you've better believe someone will be on her about you know, this year's a Natty as an example. Yeah, so I'm gonna fast forward to this. Why did someone make Jeff Harding take his post bound? So? What are we watching? What are we policing? Are we deciding who we can police and who we can't? Who's the important people who aren't? Are we gonna work as an organization to be successful? And now now that my mind's going on talking to you and asking these questions, now I don't need another reason why Cody left. Everybody did wonder when it originally happened. Why you know, I'd see why I see why Jig Cargill left. I see why I'm driving to leave it. You bring up a good point as far as it's not just Tony Cohn. I guess when you think about it, Ken's been a thing. Listen, Chris Jericho has got into a lot of you know, and I probably wasted a bunch of his time just tweeting things that I mean there's no value added and doing some of the stuff. And I'm not say going to him out because it's it's been multiple people. But do you think there's a difference when Jericho does it and Tony Kahan does it? You own the business, so I mean, of course there's a difference. Jered goes the talent of the personality, the character, right, But but i'd go back. I'm gonna ask the question again. Jeff Party made a comment about oh, we're not good enough for this or whatever it is, and then it was deleted. Well, yeah, hit would tell him to take it down. Who called Rick Baker and told her to stop doing these days? So dispin area the committee they have built? Maybe it was a committee, then whine' isn't that committee doing the same thing to their boss? Or we just int it to go. We're gonna get paid as long as we can. Let's ride this thing out as long as we can, and then hopefully someone else will pick us up. And if that's what's going on, and that's the mentality, stame on everybody in the locker room. But if you're if you're if you're muting people, but you're not muting the boss, the guy who's steering the shift, the guy who's right in the checks, the guy who's doing all this stuff, then collect your money, folks. Collect it. Make sure it keeps coming, because sooner or later it's gonna be no viewers and you're gonna think it's COVID all over again. Meanwhile, everybody else is blowing up big. You're hitting it where you're cutting deep here. Well, it upsets me to think that you you single out certain people and make them delete their post, right because apparently Jeff had something to say, Apparently Britt Baker at something to say a couple weeks ago. Apparently you know, and you know, and I'll use NJF come out and saying do whatever he wants and there is no repercussions. So what is the chain of command? And did they make it known to everybody. So can Wardlow come out and express his concerns or is he not at that level where you know where where is the line on? So now I want to know, as a as a person in the back, a businessman, a former producer, a former agent, a former head of the department, I want to know why is it not good for everybody across the board? And was that explained to everybody? Every One in the world's waiting for something to be deleted because that's all they get to talk about. Well, Jeff, Jeff Party deleted it. Well till to delete it. People are going nuts here asking questions all across social media. Want you to elaborate more on this training. We talked about bringing social media training into the FOREMM Center. Yeah, so you know, it was before the performance center was even was even built. It was it was in the in the in the time when Twitter was taken over, and even before Instagram blew up. In all these it was back when outing was it touting, It was tweeting and then touting and all that stuff. So people from Twitter thinking, are you making things? Uh no, no, no, there was a thing called you used to be able to out I don't even know. See it didn't last long, but it was wus tho early and it sounds thrilling. It was one of those things. But as Twitter grew and YouTube and Zach Rder made things blow up. They would literally bring people in and explain to you why it goes wrong, what the demographic is, what the algorithm means, why you do this, Here's how you promote your brand, here's how you protect the company, and here's what you stay away from. So much so that it was so useful on the main roster. It's part of becoming an NXT superstar or WWE superstar is when you're in the performance center, and I believe they still do it. We implemented the social media training so for all the new iires that first couple of months, they go through all this training. But here's the news and don'ts They put you in front of pr people who are gonna ask you questions that could potentially paint you in a bad light. Here's how you sidestep that question. Here's how you put the focus back on the product, back on your storyline, back on the positives, back on the vey. So I think that has to happen not only in wrestling, but it has to should and I know the NFL did it. I don't know if they still do it, but clearly some of them need a refresher MBA. All athletes need a refresher. But I think it's something that should be implemented in AW and then because there's there's gotta be equal playing ground here. I'm not gonna argue with that. I do think it's interesting. You know, you actually pay it pace a professional to come in and explain these things. I like that approach. That seems pretty reasonable, and it's just like anything else, right, you're actually investing in your business. Yeah, and that's that's part of it, right. The people that work there at the public figures, like like all these individuals are, they make an impact on it. So because you're you're not just a entertainer of public figure for five, eight, ten minutes once a week, you're twenty four hours a day, you represent your brand, your celebrity in a way. I mean really, yeah, you're a celebrity and and you have Jeff is a brand, the podcast bothers a brand. The Building Model Experience is a brand. We have to protect that. We have to know how to build it up and how to protect it and how to steer the ship away from things that could be perceived as negative. But most importantly, if we if you like that on hearing, what what the what the heck? What do they think with this gender mahal thing? Oh, this is stitting with Darby Allen. I don't gout. Let's just be real honest though, Bill, you yourself have dealt with a lot on social media. Yes, it is kind of social media is escalated even more from when you resigned for the company. What was your approach? Obviously, and I think, like I said earlier, got to keep in mind, you're not from the same generation, right, it's Tony Kahan. How did you handle all that? My approach is this, don't add fuel to the fire. I had an open horn where I could have come out and said a million and two things. I could have came out and set the wrestling world of blaze. I could have came out and by the way, I still could come out point fingers, name names. I know where the bar is buried. But that is just just YouTube, just YouTube of your name, right. Yeah, But here's the thing, and this is what we talked about in my house. So this is what I talked about my clothes. Friends in the business and out of the business of what are you going to do, like defend yourself? There was nothing to defend There was nothing to it, so why add more fuel to it. That's the thing that happens. Like people think, well, I have the right to say this. I have the right to say that. Yes you do, but think about it before you do it. And what's the repercussions. Well, everybody accomplished what they wanted to accomplish, and in my instance, the public opinion and the court of public opinion and social media gurus put so much negativity and kept tagging wwe in it with my name they had to get away from How do we get away from it? Well, let's eliminate the problem. What do you think we should do here? Bill? Listen? And it's it's very simple. I made a promise. I made a promise to someone. I said I'll never do anything to arm this product or what we're doing, and I meant it. I stuck to it. So you weren't another but you were a manager. I mean you were, yes, listen, not for anything. I was an employee and wasn't treated necessarily how an employee is treated. There was no what's the word I want to use. There was no deep dive into let's see all this stuff because ww themselves came out and said, we've reviewed this and we've gone through it and there's nothing here. But at the same time, social media was such a blaze. How do we put this fire? Because don't forget right then and there. That was the first time we had left the state of Florida to run a live event, and then we're getting ready for the Arnold the next day, and then we're getting ready for the first ever the pay per views and all these things that were coming up, and they were like, oh, you know, how do we take away the negative? Here's how the person in leading the ship says, let's do what's best for business. Someone has to tell Tony Kahn, let's do it's best for business, not what makes you feel good at the time. And listen, there's still times like I sit there and I read things I go, oh, man, just now. Don't get me wrong, because if you follow me on social media, I'm very outspoken about drunken pair, distract and drive, so everybody knows what I'm talking about. I received death threats on this on social media, people wishing ill will to my family and all these things because I talk about their favorite superstar, their favorite NFL star, their favorite actor, their favorite NBA star, all these things. I'm very outspoken about the things I'm passionate and about and the things I believe need to be said. Some people can disagree, some people will agree. You have to pick your spots, right, what's the hill you're what's the hill you're gonna die? And Tony has to decide what hill he's gonna die on. As far as it comes to social media, and if we're if we're making people retract statements, then we should be starting from the top and stop making these statements because the minu you delete it, it adds more fuel to the fire. What's behind this or what was said in another you know. So it's to me, it's a it's a very big rabbit hole. But as far as it's concerned with my situation, I handled it the only way I saw a fit. There was nothing to handle, so there was no need to bring the flames up higher. But I'll I'll talk about it to anybody who wants to discuss it like a normal person. But I have you know, I think it a time you want to come and go, Ah, but what good does it do? It tears the product down, It tears it tears all the hard work that you put into it, and then just lets people that that court of public opinion. Social media is just the way for people to say whatever they want. And they have no interest in it because what happened five days after I resigned. They wouldn't hate somebody else. Yeah, And that's the thing. It's it's whatever's hop and talk about, and people can jump on and voice an opinion whether they have whether they're invested in what it is or not. This is a free reign, right, we're keyboard cowboys. But I think that's what Tony. Someone has to explain to him. That's what's happening, and and it's taking away all the good that's been done. Yeah, a lot of good, a lot of a lot of comments appreciating that example you just cave. I think it was a good one because I just wanted to make sure that guy, you're I guess true enough that you don't explain your true feelings, but you got your true point of view from it. As somebody who has experienced that on social media and and obviously just not you, but a lot of people have. Yeah, And I think that's there's people in that organization. Jeff Jared, we talked about Jeff Jared, We talked about Kenny O Meighan, We talked about Jericho, talk about these people that are behind the scene, Dustin Rods, we talk about all these people that are behind the scenes that I don't know if they they're afraid to say something, or it's not part of their wheelhouse, or they're not in that mix, but somebody has to say something to make it know social media. Listen, at the end of the day, whoever Tony's talking to on Twitter, I'm gonna go on a limb and say, seventy percent of them don't watch his product, so they're not invested in what he's doing, what he's trying to do. That's seventy percent. Also, the same people who may follow someone but don't know what they do. They just want their thumbs up or that check mark or whatever it is. And if Tony goes out of business, are any of those people gonna run to Omegas side and say, hey, let me invest in you and let me help you do something else, young Bucks. You know all these guys let me, Hey, I'm so investing in you. I've been following you. I'm one of the seven hundred thousand people on Twitter that listen to everything you do. No, and someone has to explain to Tony what's your agenda? If you want to be that guy, then keep doing what you're doing. But if you want to be successful in his business, someday you'll sell it for nine point one billion dollars. But after a while you have to go. Let me ask you this. Now that you got me thinking and my brain is actually working normal, You've got to wonder what your what your stations are thinking, What are their pr people thinking, what are their human resources people thinking? You're you're putting over other people's products and another network and all these other things. Why are you talking about your network, your sponsors, your people back in you. So after a while, how are they going to be perceiving what he's doing? Good question? Those are the things that really matter. Yeah, yeah, are in business, Dan can to impact your business? Yeah? What segue out of this conversation. I'll show something here. It's from your good friend Vincurious other former podcast network you are on like this sums it all up, though it's important to mention this. Bro. Tony makes it clear he's a meltzer guy, and it's all about wrestling, and it's all about the five star matches, and it's not about the characters and the entertainment. He made that clear. Now, Bro, here's what you gotta understand, man, God that there's so much to unravel here about Tony Khan and Tony Khan. I really hope you are listening. Before I get into the booking philosophy, bro, let me first talk about Tony Khan. Bro. I get so many comments every single day with people telling me, oh, you hate Tony Khan. You hate Tony Khan, so you're always gonna bury Tony Khan. Let me make one thing perfectly clear, BRO, I've never met Tony Khan. I've never met Tony Khan. Now, obviously, I have spoken to people in ae W. I have spoken to people you know that even currently work for Tony Khan. Bro. Those people don't even have to tell me this because I can see with my own two eyes, Bro, Tony Khan really seems like a good guy. He really seems like a nice guy. Bro, there's no question about that. I mean, bro, trust me, there are politicians in the wrestling business. Bro use car salesman, snake oil salesman, liars, thieves. Bro there's filthy people in the wrestling business. Tony Kahan does not come across as being one of them. Is that a good way to end it? Yeah, it's like I thought that through. It didn't I It's like I time that out Bills. It's almost like he's trying to be one of the boys. He wants to be part of the action. He goes back to my thing about you know when a guy says, if I ever get the book, I'm not gonna be involved in the But everybody becomes the book or becomes part of the main event, like I think he you know, and I've heard people say this like it's his playground and he walked to be part of it. A lot of people are commenting, Bro, there's so many bros. Brod. It's funny when you hear vinceriusa talk about that. He said he got that from the locker room. There was really that many bros dropped in the locker room? Or do you think that was at Vince's heart all along since I had known Vince. It's bro Yeah, broh, anybody it's a golden rule here. My son does it with his buddies. They go, come on, Bro. And then every once in a while we'll be we'll be in the gym here at the mansion and he goes, hey, Bro. I said, what, I'm sorry, Dad, I just Bro's not used around here, but Vince can use it all day a long, Bro. What segue with that? Bro? Matt Riddle? Did you see what he said earlier that he was I think he was a like an autographed signing session. And he said that it was originally in the plans for him to wed money in the bank when Austin Theory did, and also that he was going to win the Royal Rumble in twenty twenty two, but they changed it last second, just like money of the banks. Hear this, I read it? Yeah, okay, And that is the part where Brock came in on it to what was the part with Brock? Was that the rebel part? I'm trying to remember. I think I don't remember, but I know that Austin theory was the he said, because Event's liked, Austin theory is un much. He changed it last second. Dave Meltzer says, not if it's true, though, so don't worry. Well, as uncle Dave says, it's not true. I'm always a big fan, and I asked this question all the time, is why why do people wait so long to share this? And then why do you feel the need to share it period? Because to me it wrestling rules apply. You're shedding light on the fact that no one believed in you and it was changed last minute. You're shedding the fact that you had issues with people behind the scenes, you know, and then you're you're shedding light on you know. I don't know. It doesn't it's not protecting your brand, and I don't know. I don't know Matt. It's not a dig on Matt. I just I've never met Matt. No, but everybody I know who knows him speaks very ivy of them, and he's young. He doesn't think Moth is a dummy. To me, it's always that thing, right of how do I keep myself relevant in the industry. What I'm trying to do more The old school thinking was you kept your kept your stories to yourself, good battery of different There's certain things you don't talk about, right or are There's certain things I don't know, So I just think if people try to make themselves relevant, it comes social media and we tell stories. And then people were talking about he's another guy that's had a rough go out on social media. Huh man, that might have been an ultimately what led to his exit from the idea. We can always speculate, but yeah, there's one guy that knows for sure. And let's kick off the next part of the episode with that. Let's go to the one and only uncle that everybody needs, Uncle Dave Raw Amazon Prime. Uh, that's what John Rand talked about Amazon Prime and FX as possibilities and Rich Rich green Rich Greenfield of Uty've always got a podcast on WBD. So those are those are two analysts. John Olrand is pretty well connected. But his like he said, he's made predictions on wrestling that that happened happened as well. You know, he was one of the ones although it was talked about and it does make sense. You know, when SmackDown went to Fox, and you know, it was talked about to make SmackDown three hours and do the third hour in FS one, and he had talked about that and it never happened, but that's not his fault because it was something that was considered. So you know, it's Amazon Prime is certainly uh in the hunt. I would say wbd's in the hunt and uh, you know FX, Amazon Prime is making some massive changes at the end of this month. Yeah, and a lot of times when uh, you know, people want to make big changes. You know Peacock, you know they wanted that w WE network, and I can see Amazon thinking, you know what this uh, this pro wrestling got a lot of people. I think that the timing I mean, to me, by to make a prediction, it would be Amazon Prime. Yeah, oh, we'll see. So there's I mean, it's it's an interesting one because you I mean, what will do to viewership and we don't know. I mean, obviously the Thursday Amazon Prime football gets a lot of viewers, but it's nowhere close to the number of viewers that every other football game gets. So it's still a long way from matching television as far as viewers go. But if the money is big enough, you know, it doesn't necessarily matter. I mean, because they're going to make the deal based partially on money, and you know, the two things are money and exposure, and you got a way in both what's going to get you the most eyeballs and and the you know, and another key is also not necessarily the most eyeballs, but the most eyeballs of people who will spend money on the product, which is not always the most eyeballs because that's you know, people who spend money on the product are generally going to be younger. So it's more about younger eyeballs, older people, you know, I mean for you know, I mean look back. I mean, obviously, the audience for raw changed greatly in August for whatever reason. You know, a lot of over fifty viewers left, and but but the under fifty viewers are much stronger than they've been. That's the Restlan Observer. You can subscribe to it like I do, even though they have me blocked. You know. It's funny, though I did, they don't have me blocked on YouTube and I do join Brian Alvareza show live a lot of times during the week, and every time I say anything, there's this one guy named, uh, what is that guy's name. I think it's I think it's like I think it's a Dave. If he's a Dave something, and every time I say anything, all he replies is we're WWE employees in here, Marx. It's all he replies to me like that, With everything that I say, What did Dave Meltzer say that anyone else could not say? He literally went around star What is a guy makes predictions and sometimes he's right. That's every wrestling fan in the world, that's every that's every armchair booker in the world. What did Dave? What knowledge did Dave drop on us? There? Insider knowledge? Interesting point though, was brought up to about Amazon Prime now being in front run. What do you think about that? You last you told me a couple weeks ago that you've never even dvrred at show never. How do you feel about streaming Monday Night Rol? I don't know how that's gonna work, like literally, or like you don't know how it's gonna work out for that, probably both because on Thursday night when they had Thursday Night Football and Amazon I couldn't get it to turn on. I had to wait for someone to be home and turn ont me otherwise I missed the game. But I don't know how that's gonna work for some one like me, like an older guy who doesn't want to go through all these things of clicking an ad in the app and all these things and listen. If it's good, I'm gonna find a way to watch it. Yeah, So it's like anything else, I have to find a way to learn how to stream it. I think Amazon Prime is the same as Netflix and HBO and all these other things, right, and they're just getting into bigger and broader things. And I agree with one thing. Wrestling is hot right now and if you're gonna jump on it, and now you have and because you have to think wherever wrestling goes, the UFC is going as well, or vice versa. So I think there's a lot of money there. I think there's a lot of opportunities and the people who want to tune in to the product, they're gonna find it, same as they did with Peacock and when ww network was the first thing, and there was so many problems with people try to sign on and get the signy, you know, all these things, but it all works out. So it's it's just people getting used to doing that. It's gonna be a big change for he did be network is so ahead of its time. It's a lot of ways. Yeah, it was highly regarded. I missed that very much. But to that point, I do think that we always talk about it. If somebody wants to get their hand on that Premian Live event and all that library they're gonna find. I think Peacock, we said, has that what for another two years? Yeah, somebody's gonna really want that, and yeah, so here's the thing we go back to it. But here's the thing that upsets me is and you talk like, because you're right, I won't DVR something, because the other side of it is if you DVR something, you have to stay off your phone, you have to stay off your computer, you have to not talk to your buddies, you have to not do anything until you watch what you want to watch. Because what are the spoilers? Right? Spoilers are everywhere, in Clints of what's happening are everywhere, And so now, to me, dvring doesn't make sense because you can just you can just tune into something the following day so it'll be interesting. But I think it's gonna be a big change for raw bands. I remember the debate we heard a few weeks becose it's not supporting event you ever watched the Hulu version of Money and Ayrol. No. Yeah, it's like a hour and a half version. A lot of people, quite a bit of people watch it. It's it's it cuts stuff out obviously, right, it's three hours long, but there's no commercial or anything. But they cut out a lot of stuff. People do watch that. Maybe just try one day, try something new Bill, but I think it would be different. I don't know, though, it's hard to say it's but I see what they're saying when they talked about and they've brought up a good point when he said it's not just about the eyeballs, it's about the people that are watching it, because you see that with Dodo b versus like golf. Right, you see Dadobe they have like Snickers commercials, they'll have a slim jam and then you see golf has like role Ax, right, a really expensive thing. So there, it's definitely a truth to that. Now. As far as what he's talking about in August, a big change in the older demographic dropping off that I don't know the details on that I can't speak on. That definitely interesting, and then more youthful viewership happening at the same time. I'm in that fifty sixty year old demographic, and I think just as big a viewer as I was, you know, twenty years ago. So I like, like you said, I don't know those numbers, and I'm thinking that only that should only matter for the people running the show, instead of trying to tell people if you're fifty, you're not gonna like this. Well, Meltzer says, I'm in the Key demo? You are? Or he is I am in the you are the Key demo? Yes? And you ever heard that song? They ever see that song? No? Maybe that song got me blocked by Dave Meltzer too. I'll sing you the Key Demo song later? Okay? Was somebody made a song for Jim Cornett Jim Cornett experience. I don't know if they made it for Jim Cornett. I don't want to say that because he has a bunch of songs on his YouTube. But did Jim? He sent it to Jim Cornett. He he loved it. I think it's the ending of his show where it was for quite a while. Well, I'm going to play it on Twitter and ag uncle Dave and see if I can block you. Probably good life reason, he follows me. I follow him. I have no ill will well, I think the okay. So it came out of one or two comments that got me blocked. It's either Meltzer says I'm in the key demo or it was the if that mattress in the Tokyo down would be seven stars. We'll never know for sure which one got me blocked, though, But why let me ask you this, Why would that get you blocked because he didn't like the way you put it out there. There's the thing with social media. I think it was the was it Theia match? I don't remember. It was a w women's match that he did not give for four point five and somebody asked why and I and I made that comment probably not the nicest thing ever, but hey, I thought, if something, if all these other things are five star matches, it was five star matches, and I thought that was the point to debate it. You know, if you put it out there, you're open for a conversation or a debate or a counterpoint from a paid consumer. I'm a yes consumer of the rest read demographic. Anyway, what's let's move on. We'll see what happens though. Warner Brothers Discovery still on the run too, though, kind of segueging towards the end of the show here, I did want to talk about this. I saw this today and I thought it was really cool. I don't know if you've seen it, Ohio Value Wrestling OVW's announcement today, you heard about this, Yes, So I can't really read the screen without my bifocals, and I'm just kidding out how bifocals. But what it's saying is Mickey James is getting involved with the company. She is now the head of female relations. Let's look. Yeah, she emails talent. Oh yeah, yeah, and the executive producer. Yeah, wrestling shows. That's cool. Yeah, And so how cool is it that Mickey's back where she started. I'm not sure. So I guess does that mean she's left Impact? I'm not sure for TNA, right, I'm not sure, and I don't know. All I know is that this is a great move as Al continues to build OVW and the people he's got there and their their Netflix thing is really done well. And this watch I have not watched it yet. No, that's but that's one of the ones I will go and watch too, and I have not yet, but I think nicky being there is that she's She's been up and down the road. She's been in the main event spot, she's been in the opening dark match, she's been everything in between. She's been through the system. She's a survivor, and she's knowledgeable beyond belief. I think Mickey has this great demeanor about her that when she talks to people, they understand they're having a conversation with her. But I also know she has the ability to demand your attention. Yeah. So I think it's gonna be very, very interesting in a in a really good way to see how OVW keeps evolving. What a great move. It's almost one. As soon as I saw it, I went wow, I wish Billy Corgan would have thought of that first, or so, you know, even DNA would have thought of that for her. I guarantee that Mickey helps bigger things happen for OVW. So congratulations to her and all good things. A lot of people picking up on your survivor comment and they're saying I'm a survive or they're typing I put a ring on it, same girl, right, a little same sung. Don't get me going. You know, dude, you're so in you know Mickey James my favorite female wrestler. You know that, Hey, good person, and you've done some cool stuff with her too. Her and Nick, Yeah, we talked about I'd had a chance to be in the front front row as Mickey was coming up loarexis Laurie all those things when she was in OVW, I was there, and so I've got to see her evolve into one of the best women to ever do it. Getting choked up talking about it, but I think she's gonna do great things. I'm fan that Mickey James in and out of the ring into purchasing, as well as Allent and her Nick together are both doing amazing things in this business. So that's off to them. I'm excited for al. I'm excited for everybody involved with OVW. I look forward to what they're gonna do. All Right, That sums up the conversation today. I actually took a break this week because I've been so far behind with editing everything else I did not I've taken a break from on this day and on pro wrestling history. But I will say one thing. I always shared one video this week, and it was Edge when he cashed in that first money in the bank. Then the next night him and Leda had the live sex show on RALL. So that's really all I've posted this week. So wow, crazy was that man? So first of all, that really the money in the bank thing was obviously they're still doing it today. But John Cena just had that match right if it'sook man comes out and Edge just car he and that he made the announcement right, it's Edge of Carson and you saw that. Yeah. I by the way, and I say to you, I'm a big fan of your on this day, big fan of it. You bring out some some good good stuff and like I said to me, it's the same as doing you know, doing this together. My mind just starts working and remembering and stuff. So it's it's really really cool. But yeah, you need a break once in a while. Man, I don't think we're offended by the makes us appreciate it more when you get back into it. Another question. We're gonna getus some questions here to in the show. Okay, who is your favorite baseball player today today? In today's game. I'm gonna go with uh, I'm a big Justice Justice fan. That's because your from around there. Yeah, and my favorite baseball player of all time is Thurman Munson from the Yankees. So any New Year's resolution, yes, My My biggest resolution was I was going to work on finding the old Bill physically and you know, mentally. I surround myself with the foundation, you know, twenty six hours a day, and I want to make sure that I'm around for you know, a little while longer. So I want to find that time to dedicate to myself. And I said it with my family, and I wanted to make sure that it's that we're being selfish. Excuse me, but they all agreed that I don't take you know, you need time, do you know that sometimes like oh, I just don't have ten minutes to decompress and all these things. And I've kind of let go of the things that made me put me in my kumbaya. Like I love going fishing. I've been fishing in a long time. I love the train. Slowly back into that with my son now that he's becoming a monster, but it leads back into that wrestling question of last week and my post. There's some things that I want to do for Bill. So that's that was It's not so much a resolution, it's just a goal of mine to get back into a into a better groove. And I think it'll be better for my family, It'll be better for me, It'll be better across the board. So that's I guess that's my resolution. Good question. How about you? I know they did that, but I want to know what was your resolution? I don't know. I think part of what I've thought about doing, I'll be completely honest. So my daughter GotY to start watching Mister Beast. Mister yeah, and I thought, man, I could I could give I could create content that could give back more. So I've been trying to wrap my head around that. Uh, just because that guy's awesome. Yeah, thinks about are awesome? Man, Like, trying to think about that. What can I do? You know you do? You're saying, what what? What? What could what could Jeff do? I don't know, but it's interesting to pursue it, right, Yeah? Yeah, Yeah, for sure. I just got to find the time. Yeah, that's what I will. But I will just watch me. Okay, what's your favorite kids movie? Maggie asked, what's your favorite kids movie? Shrek? Oh didn't even hesitate Shrek. No, you didn't, Shrek. You dropped that fast why Shrek your favorite? Oh, he's a big green ogre and he was funny and he had no filter and he wrestled in the first Shrek. They the cage match inside the Roape. I forgot about that. Actually, those movies were Those are some neat movies. Shrek is good movies. We watched The U the Santa Claus over that's kind of a kid's movie, kind of not but that Mountains was two and three? Did you walk first? Three? First? The first? Oh? I daught? Are you know how kids are in They little and they want to watch like the same thing or whatever. Again, yes, I had watched now like four times ever one weekend. But now, man, we watched Santa Claus. That was good. I think we watched Al one hundred and twenty three times. What how do you feel about Christmas Vacation? It's my favorite? Awesome, it's my second favorite Christmas movie behind Diehard. I knew you do that. I knew you do that. Best big man wrestler today today, best big man? Yep, they put you right on the spot because there's a lot of big men out there that are good, that are I think the best big man today for me? Active right, now I think put Drew McIntyre there put somebody. What about somebody under the radar. It's flying under the radar right now. This this new kid in NXT who just became North American Champion. And the other kid from NXT, Bronson the Cowboy. Those are two guys that I I watch pretty pretty closely because there's something about them. Like as a coach, I always say, you know, give me an hour with someone. You know what you have and what what there is? And I watched this kid Bronson, Is that any thing? Is it? Bronson? Am I saying it right? You know what I'm talking about? They just sput up. It was the two guys and the girl the Cowboys. Well, I think he's he's he's got something special and uh and it's gonna be really good. Noah says, you remind me of Shrek in many ways. Thank you, Noah. I don't take that ordally at all. Keith said, Bill, you are awesome. Think you Keith, You're awesome? Brother somebody Okay, favorite manager of all time? Another one that says Valet Jimmy Art because he was my manager and I watched him when I was hid. And then Jimmy literally led me through seven years in WC. Not Jilous. We didn't get together three minutes before my matches. Hey, baby, let's do like Jimmy walked me through the politics, and walked me through the the everyday lifestyle and and really taught me how to adjust. So Jimmy ar it's my favorite manager. It's important for everybody to have somebody like that. Yeah, I'm blessed to have Jimmy and still what i'd see him to this day. It's like we never left each other. So I was blessed to have Jimmy Hart as an advocate of mine. Your valet was the second part my favorite valet. Well, I was an Elizabeth fan. I think Elizabeth was probably the best ballet, although I thought Sherry Martell was an awesome ballet as well. So that you want watched that clip A few weeks is longer than that. But she was in that cage match, Sherry. Yeah, did she jump off the cage and that clip we watched, yeah, the flaired ogan right, Yeah, she could go. She she had awesome beer. She was great. Yeah, she's great. And I gotta remember because if you're listening to this plater, we're live we got several people asking a bunch of questions. If somebody's asking what your shirt says, Bill, maybe maybe new to the show is one of the Foundation events that we add. This one I believe was a five n K. So I just so happens I have the Foundation at on at a Foundation shirt on today. You can learn more about the Foundation if you go to the carry into moutfoundation dot com asking your thoughts on the Christian Cage and Adam Copeland match from the pay per views, you get a chance to see it. Here's what I like about the whole thing. I think I heard Adam say it. I'm not sure when I love the fact that they can they know they can come to that at any time. It doesn't have to be their living guide story. I like what Adam's doing now with the younger guys. Right, He's gonna start elevating people. But there's always there's always the thing, you know, Christian's right there, so Christian can they can bridge off. But they're right there, And that's that's the thing that's so aggravating is you have two guys who understand that. Let them lead behind the scenes as well, you know what I mean. But I like the story. I like where it's going. I liked that they're not beating it like a dead horse. I liked it every week we're not seeing Christian and Copland, Christian and Copean. You know, someone asks a really good question here. It's kind of one moment in your wrestling career. If you could go, if you had, if you could the same, if you have to. But that's what I'm trying to trying to make it where you actually answer, if you could go back and change one thing, what would you change. That's a really good question. If I'm being honest, wouldn't expect any different. I would not change how I did it. But what I know now and what you know what I didn't know then, is I probably would have played the political game a little bit more like it's cliche. I was just happy to be there, man. I've said this a million times, like I shook Eric Bischoff's and he said he's gonna pay me now, he's gonna be working for wcw ool. I just never got involved in all the through haha, the politics in and out of the ring. You said you wish you would have why, I I think I wish I would have because I might have been able to go No, I take it back now, I'm thinking it out loud. I wouldn't change it. I went from general reaction. No, I wouldn't change it because that allowed me to be back to you, Morris, which allowed me to be build DeMont. I mean, I've literally gone from wrestler commentator to agent, to producer to coach to trainer, to TV reality TV to running the whole developmental system. I wouldn't change anything in my career because I probably would have screwed it up worse earlier. If I was involved in all that stuff, I'd run it the same way. Made you think, though, Yeah, it sure did. It's not me writing my tracks too. It was a good one. I like it. Like that was a good question, excellent question. All right, we'll do one more. Let me find one. Okay, Okay, I'll do two more because I like the one that know. I just literally threw up and I saw somebody else as I like, if you weren't a wrestler, what would you have done with your life? I got really at the football in high school, and I got the opportunity to play football in college. But I was an art guy. Uh in college when before I blew that out of the water. I'd love to draw and those things. So I wanted to be like a commercial artist, and the university I was going to was big on commercial art. I'm not sure what I would have done. I know what I would have liked to have done, probably something in that artistic thing. But I found this crazy thing called wrestling, and you know, got dared do it in it. That took place at everything. Do you seem like the artsy type? Bill? You know me? Tho so funny. My worst two grades in high school were in a drawing class and in a ceramics class. I may have been drawing inappropriate things, and I may have made inappropriate things the ceramics class and put it in somebody's locker. Well you didn't appreciate it. That's I'll let your everybody's imagination take over what I was making in ceramics class. Oh that's tremendous. It landed me in a little bit of trouble. Well, a good story for later there. Right, this is how you and I have gotten paired up. Okay, last question of the night. Somebody said, it's a long when I'm trying to kind of summarize it here easy to comprehend way they're asking, if there was one unconventional thing that you learned rest from wrestling that nobody would probably expect it would be a learning experience. What was it? I think what they're asking is something that you'd you know, it's not just staying out. You know, it made I made a good living off that I've write it for my family. But what is one good lesson that you learned from wrestling that people may not know that somebody could learn from wrestling? Is what they're asking. Oh, how resilient you are as a person? Wrestling is to me, it's a very lonely lifestyle, especially when you're starting out. So I can only use myself as an example. I never got on a plane before I was married, and I flew one time and vowed never to fly again. But I had to fly to go to Europe and I had to do it. And I was traveling by myself for the first time, and I'm in different countries and I didn't speak the language, and the TVs weren't working, and you couldn't do this, and you start to find out what you're really made of. And it had nothing to do with wrestling, because wrestling was thank goodness was the outlet, but that only lasted for three hours a night. You had how do you stay busy? What do you do? How do you stay healthy mentally and physically? And how do you survive the game of wrestling? And so what wrestling taught me was I'm a lot smarter than I've ever given myself credit for, and I'm a lot more resilient than I thought because I survived those things and kind of taught myself along the way and made myself become a survivor, not of wrestling, just of life. Of being alone. It takes a lot out of you when you're not with your family three hundred days a year. It takes a lot out of you, when relationships are struggling, It takes a lot out of you when the travel gets to be too much, and all these things that you've worked for. So it really taught me about myself, how tough I am mentally and emotionally, you know. So I never would have found a lot of things out about myself. And it made me not be afraid to be honest. And I think a lot of us, you know, we don't want to hurt people's feelings, and it's it's the truth. You don't want to hurt people's But it helped me be honest with and I'm talking about with myself, like I wasn't just telling myself stories outgrade. I was like, you know, it taught me how to reevaluate everything I did. And it took a lot of years in wrestling do that. But I think that's the one thing that people learn is about themselves and what they're really capable doing. And it shows by people that leave the business and going to do even bigger and better things. That's a great answer, Bill. You know, I watched this, it's probably like last year at some point this clip where Tom Petty was being interviewed by a local news station and he's talking about life on the road and all that, and then afterwards the reporter talked about how he really got the vibe that it was a very weird and wrestling is the same way you're on the road entertaining. It was a very weird lifestyle to live, and he almost felt like even though Tom Petty had all these fans, thousands of people he'd see when he performed, people that would love to hang out with him at any point in time that he almost felt like he was He could get the feeling he was lonely. Lonely man, You're in front of people for three hours, and when you're sitting in the room in Mexico City, not knowing anyone, and you're trying to figure out what you're supposed to do for the next twenty hours before you wrestle again, and all the all the accolades and adulation you get and all the attention doesn't make you less lonely. You struggle. I think that happens with anybody in entertainment or something like that. That impact is socially what you'd done to him. It was a kind of like a not a typical interview you'd see with like a musician that yeah, you know how they like explain it afterwards their feelings on the interview. I thought that was a really interesting approach to the conversation, and I kind of I went back and watched it. I'm like, I get I see what he's saying for sure, and it makes us all introverted. I have till this day, I have a fear of being around a group of people because when I'm when I was performing. I didn't see those people, fifteen thousand people. He didn't see them. I never saw them. I just saw above their heads. Otherwise I never could have gone out there every night with all those people looking at me. I couldn't have done it. But even to the you know, I walked to church and have an amazing church family. But if more than three people are by me, I start to get very uncomfortable. And I start to get because you you lived alone for so long and you've you've been around so many people, but it's a lonely lifestyle. And you know, people, well, how can you be lowly? You're married, you got kids, you got great friends, you get you know, millions of fans you've done only it's very lonely man, and it makes I believe it makes everyone in wrestling introverted to where listen and I'll say this, and I'll get Lacy on her one time and she goes, well, let's go do this. I don't. I don't want to leave the house. I don't want to, which is funny because now I go out and speak to twenty thousand kids every year, so it's always goes back to but it's a lonely lifestyle, so I can I can see that what TP saying there. Yeah, this has been another it's a little bit different and into the episodes into what typically do. But I like this man. Yeah, yeah, I thought we had great questions, but I like when we dive into like this is what brings us to the to the dance every week. And and but it's funny, right, it's steamrolls. One thing leads into another and we get to that. And I love the honesty. I love the honesty. I love the questions that these questions are amazing and I and I hope they never stop. And and for the record, I'll answer every question I can, honestly, but I always say, if it's something it makes me, I just go. You know, I'd rather not talk about it, but I don't think you'll ever hear me say that. I always share my thoughts or feelings with it. But so keep those questions coming. This was really awesome, man, and you got going on and I have heard you turn down one yet really except for what that cryptic tweet meant. But we'll get to that someday. So yeah, we appreciate everybody to listen live, even the people that obviously watch and listening later. We appreciate that. 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Now I think your house is getting bigger with all the content you're creating. Good thing I don't have to like back in the day when you created content you have like tapes When I was Yeah, I had like my own little show that I made, right, and I had so many of these tapes, like the adapter that would go into the VCR pece and I'm talking man, I had so many. I don't know what happened all this stuff. Man, if only YouTube was around back then, right, Well, I'll tell you you find it and put it up on YouTube. Now people all love it. It's got to find it somewhere. It's probably a parents, you know, in a storage who knows where it is. I'll have to try to look for it, though, Bill, another great episode. Man, I'm gonna try to well. Rumble season is gonna come around pretty quick. I'm gonna try to do something special next week. If I can, I can put it all together. We're gonna see though. Great, So make sure you're in in next week. In all the future episodes, Bill, I'll let you kick it out with your autro. I'll hit my outro, then we'll hit the music. Hey, everybody, thanks again for the questions. Keep following us and listening. Do what you say, say what you mean, mean what you do. And I'm gonna say, like the same thing I always say on everything that I do, keep being you and keep being great. When you get can see the brass shake, say take a lot of chance on the rock. What can my mothery man slack the shack make the best sish sack, the room model days Jeff Townsend media saves you good night. And the question is do I stay here? Will you be back? Are you gonna come back? Will you be back? Are you coming back?
