Vince McMahon's loss of power

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Uh So, man on the agenda tonight. As you can see probably if you're listening to this live, it was the topic in which it clicked on to get to hear Vince McMahon's loss of power. It's been all over the wrestling news this week. Yeah you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I'm so far I'm with you, so farre with me. Just to catch you up and everybody else up. I do have a special special clip to share, and I'm gonna go ahead and source it. It's Brian Alvarez Wrestling Observer, where I've been a long time subscriber for over ten years. Well, and I'm still blocked by Dave Meltzer on Twitter. I'm not gonna help you with that. I'm gonna keep you permanently blocked. I'm just thinking right now how much money have I given to Dave Meltzer and I got blocked? Trymember what I said. I don't remember what match it was, but I said, if it was in the Tokyo dumb it would have been seven stars. The next thing I know, I'm blocked, blocked. Damn it. Unbelievable. You're never gonna make the PWI Top five hundred this week. No, no, I'm not. No, I'm not. I will never get any more interaction with Dave Meltzer on Twitter either. It's okay, though, maybe we'll cross paths one day. So what I'm gonna share for you here, everybody and Bill, is a clip from Brian Alvarez. They actually, oh, I think they cite fight full of a couple other things on this, but this is the topic from Brian where he had talked about the discussion with Vince McMahon, and of course he throws d a little bit of opinion in it. See if I get the right one here? All right, here we go for Radio. Dave Melzer given update on Vince McMahon being out of WWE's creative process. He reported last week that Triple H is the man making all of the key decisions in creative right now. He noted that McMahon is out of the process at the moment. He stated it on Observer Radio. The decision was made by Endeavor TKO Group Holding CEO ri Emmanuel Vincent Kennedy. McMahon was the guy making all the decisions, and now Vince was in fact overruled, even though when he emerged the company he was told that this would not happen. Huh, it did happen. Takes a little bang, doesn't it. It is a really interesting thing in the statement when Ari Emanuel was talking about the reasons the stock is down, had he mentioned Vince's name. It is very interesting. I think what is going to happen. To be fair, I think that comment that Airy made about Vince, when you talk about the reason the stock being down, was more related to Vince's ability to do certain things with the stock that he owned as opposed to him like being involved in creative But that's irrelevant because he is now out and his power as clearly marginalized. There's no way around that. Justin Bross of Sports Illustrated reported last Friday that Emmanuel was buying the change. Multiple contacts within ww and UFC, have confirmed that Emmanuel, who wields power as the Endeavor CEO, is behind the change. Emmanuel has long been a firm believer that in order for it organization to be as effective as possible, people need to do the job they are assigned. In this case, that approach is empowered Levec to exert his full influence in the company's creative sphere. The acquisition of WWE was official last month. They merged and Levecki is the chief content Officer. His job is to do creative and Vince was just every now and then just doing stuff and now he will not. He is out. As Dave noted last week, you know anything can change, but you know what anything also can't change. Sopefully he's out forever. I hope he never comes back. Wow. Wow, that little barb at the end there. Yeah, yeah, I told you he got in. I told you he got in a little goods of there at the end. Didn't he a little barb there at the end. So let's talk about this bill. You've been around both of these guys, Yes, that's sick man. You've been around tripleh more. But working hand in hand with NXT. Was there a thought, just I know, you'll be completely honest. Was there a thought back then, so we're talking twenty fifteen, before twenty fifteen that Vince McMahon was starting to lose his mind? Because additionally, I think when I read a lot about this this week, a lot of people were noting twenty eighteen and stuff like that. But people have been saying this sick man's out of touch for like fifteen years. Was this something that was discussed openly that that for my you know, my perspective and my knowledge, that was something that was being said when we first came to the company, you know, so two thousand and two thousand and one when we joined. So people are already saying this sick man's loss is mine, and I think that goes I think they you know, I'll put it towards football analogies too, because you know, the same thing was said about Bill Parcells, the same thing was said about Tom Land. You know, all these geniuses, and I say Vince's a genius, but a lot of people were seeing the trends, you know, changing, But Vince had a set said rules, guidelines and how things were going to go, and that's what everybody did. So every once in a while you would hear that. And I think it started coming a lot more at the when we started with the loss of Pat Patterson, with the loss of Dusty, with the with the loss of some of the the legends that were there, you know, and surrounding Vince, Jack Lanza and you know, all all those all those guys as the as the I think everybody's seen Hunter as the guy for a long long time. And I'm saying a long because now I'm sitting there about the years. Like even when I was still an active talent, it was still the thought of Hunter is going to lead this, you know, lead this into the into the next millennium, however you want to say it. But every argument that was put up that Vince was maybe out of touch was shot down by the you know, the outcome at the time when ratings were still a big deal and and all these deals were being made. If he was still out of touch, you know, this Spots deal never would have came about, and all these other things. Creatively, I think he was a little stagnant towards, you know, towards the last couple of five eight years. But he had he had Hunter there in his ear, and I think Hunter had a lot of you know, conversations about it. But again, you had Vincent Kevin Dunn running the show, and they did it a certain way for so long. But yeah, how can you argue, you know, it still goes back. How can you argue with the success of the w W. So internally there's always a lot of uh rum for RUMs, but you know, and and here's where the internet comes in. Everybody else gets to share their their wealth of knowledge about the business they've never been in. Uh I'm talking about the shot taken by our friend there at the end. But yeah, I think I think it was time. And I think you don't. You don't buy a company from nine point one billion dollars and say just stick with what's going on. And I giggled a little bit at some of the news because it was funny. You know, Vince was told it wasn't gonna change it. Then a month later I want to say, well, hell get in line with the you know thinks is about three or four hundred men and women that could stand a line go. Yeah, we were told the same thing. So, yeah, wrestling is wrestling the matter who you are. But I I don't think Vince is gonna lose any sleep. See maybe that I think I saw some headlights come in and maybe the family's coming back. I love that we're live and like people are just getting the deep dive into the DeMont manch. They're gonna come through the door and get there. It is. I like it getting excited. So if you're you're just now catching up with us, we're talking about Vince McMahon. It's loss of power. We just played a clip from Brian Alvarez the Restaurant It was Ever a radio episode earlier this week, a short clip when he's basically talking about what we're saying. Can I ask you a question, Yeah, why do you think that asters e merge and everything that's gone on. Why is this like a main topic in the you know, in the world of professional rough Why is it? So why does it have to be set? Well, this is a main topic because of what you just said a few minutes ago, everything Vince McMahon has built and done, first of all, any wrestling news is a topic. I mean to be honest, but I think it's dick. It's whenever you have success, you're not everybody's always got to love it. And when you've been creating television for how many years has Roll been on the air now, thirty years? Thirty? Yeah, yeah, so you got to think about that. You're gonna do a lot of things that people aren't gonna like. And when you also reach out level of success, you're going to always have the criticisms, especially on the biggest sports entertainment stage ever, which is what he's built and accomplished. I don't know, we'll get into this more in this discussion, but I don't know what professional wrestling would be without Vinceviakman oh, I I readily agree. I'm trying to I guess I'm trying to get a different point of view of we haven't really heard a lot about Vince since the since the merge, and well we've heard we've heard uh oh since the merge. But before the merge, we heard a lot about oh yeah yeah, different personal issues. He's added the paying off of women and stuff like that. But that's not seems to be that doesn't seem to be like why some of these people are rejoicing and celebrating. Not celebrating because they they're not publicly saying, oh, vincik Man's a bad guy, get him out of there now. They're just saying, hey, there's creative is terrible. Yeah, I've got to go. Yeah. I'm much rather one of those people that would rather hear briefly Vinces how Leveck is in let's talk about levec now, like, because I guess my point is we've heard this for so many years, as as wrestling fans, as people in the business, as people who have followed this business for so many years. We've heard about Bence the creative. It's it's old, it's out you know, it's outdated, he's out of touch all these things. I'd much it goes back to the Tony Kahm thing we talked about last episode. I'd rather more hear about the positive than you know, bringing up all this other stuff and people focusing on Yeah, Vince is out. You know, in the Wizard of Oz, the Wicked Witch was dead. That was the end of it. Let's move on. And I'm not, you know, bad analogy, but I'd much rather hear everybody start talking about the levech era and what all is going to do and triple h this and let's let's spend the positive instead of everybody just I think it's clickbait. You know, I'm just I guess I'm just not that guy. So it's deh click bait. There's no doubt about that. I can see people's arguments on Vince mc man getting a little stagnant on the content creativity, but you got it. I gotta also give it to him. This guy's it. People are like made the comment he can't adapt with the times and all that historically speak at dis mc mann's don a pretty damn good job of that. You got to think of how wrestling was in the eighties, nineties, then Attitude Air going in two thousands, and then you talk PG era, then you talk public company. I think Vince mc mannon has done a pretty good job of adjusting with the times and whatever he needed for business purposes. So I give him a little bit of a break there. But I think just like anything else, anything and this is so hard, and you'll hear a lot of experienced people like just Jim Cornette Dutch Mantel, they will say things like it's luckily for Vince's hasn't been the case. I think for Tony Kahan it's going to become an issue. You can't have one person booking like being the booker forever, right, And I think Vince McMahon had the abilities had a team around me as a writer's professional staff, but that was kind of in the last I don't know when you'd say the writers and all that came on. Yeah, it was very limited saying there for the longest time between himself, Pat Patterson, Bruce Pritchard, then Vin Trusso obviously, I'm sure he's always taken in anything that was like an idea that was pitched and all that. And from what I hear from the stories back of the day, there'd be lines out of his office at every show, you know, people wanted to talk to and pitch ideas and all that. It was. It was, you know, part of your job as an agent or now you know producer Slash producer. Part of your job was you weren't called twenty four hours a day. So there was a meeting. You literally landed after five days on the road of TV and all these other things, and you landed and you had at two o'clock in the afternoon meeting and it was extensive. It was hours of back and forth and all these things. You've got the team and all those discussions were wiped out and it went with the original plan. So he was very I don't know if he was very open, you know, but that was the process, was everybody getting involved. But it was still the way he saw things going. And that's the way he did. And and to your point, and I'll never argue the point. You can't argue with the success he's had even in the in the past five years where people said this is you know, this is old or this is debunked or this is ridiculous. They're still watching, they're still coming to the events, they're still subscribing. So and you said, you can't argue with you know, success, I just you know, I feel like, okay, let's I'm just like, let's sleep in dogs life. Vince is out. We heard it, boom, Let's talk about Levett. Let's let's talk about the positives and not keep part poppering on. You know, the fact that he's out of it. I think that was probably the setup. You know, there was a little scud a butt when when Hunter was taking off the board and people were like uh oh, and I heard a bunch of ramblings that people thought he was going to be let go completely. Yeah, especially after Stephanie bounced. Yeah, so what he was taking off the board, but make you know, this is the plan in the works. Take him off the board, let him run the company that way creatively. You like the comment that Endeavor is basically saying people have roles for a reason. They to be able to do their role and fallow. Yes, I love it, and listen, I from what I'm saying. Vince has a great relationship with Endeavor and everybody, and that's great, and he's he's done what he set out to do all those years ago. But that's exactly right. To be successful and to be able to put down on a piece of paper nine point one billion dollars, then you have to have a strong mind in a strong business sense as well. So now with Ari, you know, running running the show going, Hey, you have a job, that's your job. You do it. So now there's no don't worry about being on the board. Don't worry about this. You're charge of creative. You're the guy going forward. Have at it. And now Vince is still on the board. He's not done. He's just out of the process. He's just not part of the the you know, the the product itself. I mean he still has if I'm if I understand it. Vince still has say so and how w W E is run and things like that. He is part of the org. Got a comment here from Facebook. We had to read it to the people listening to the podcast version. Vince is definitely in Triple H's ear though on Triple H will listen to a lot he says, oh, yeah, I I agree with that, And I think because that's the way he's been groomed Hunters. I think Hunter has been groomed or you know, Triple as you've been groomed to. He was in Vince's hear the whole time. Have suggestions, have you know, have an alternative, have a counter to what we're doing. But that's the learning curve, right, it's the learning curve. And and and Triple Ahs has been sitting under that tree for years. So I'm very sure that who do you lean on when he's not there anymore? You you you know, and no disrespect man when I say it this way, you go to the old man. The old man will have an opinion and it'll make you think, you know, it'll make you think differently. It'll make you think instead of being, you know, with the blinders on, because that's a tough job for people that are listening and watching, being the head of creative and being in charge of everything that goes on WB Let's you just don't go to bed at ten o'clock at night, wake up at eight o'clock the next morning and you know, okay, let's see what we're gonna do today. Hell no, McMahon hasn't slept in fifty year years. Levec hasn't slept in twenty five. So the stories are true that you hear about, Oh oh absolutely, they work out at like two in the morning, midnight. Yeah. Yeah. And here's the thing. We get to very rare where you wouldn't get to a hotel depending on where we were in the country or in the world, where the limo pulled up with Vince and there was four guys and they stood out there having meetings in the limo for four more hours at two o'clock in the morning, and then everybody else calls it a night, and Vince's in the gym, and Vince is at the building when you're at the building. So it's not you know, it's not an easy thing to do. So I'm I'm sure and the and the person who put that up there was was absolutely right. I think Vince will be and I don't think he'll be in easier like the Ababah, but I think he's going to be there for someone for for Levec to lean on and to bounce things off of. And why wouldn't she the guy he you know, he's the reason they're ae W and r O H and all these other whether people want to say that or not, he's the Vince is the reason. So I'm sure he's going to be a confidant, you know, for for Triple H going forward. How do you feel when people make the comment that Triple H is only in that position because he's married into it or politics himself into it. Do you think some people then other people will say he would still be doing that even if he wasn't married to Stephanie mick mahon people. I think when we say the people that are saying it are fans, Internet people, people that are on the inside track that they think they're in on the people. And it's not a shot at anybody either, but the people that are in the business have been around it and are there twenty four hours a day and see what goes on. Hunter was gonna be greened for that position, whether Vince had a daughter or not. He this was what he You see his love of the business. You see his love of the success of the business. And what I appreciate the most is when he started becoming more in control, he started becoming less of it on air character, I feel, and I think that's where he's learned his lessons. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of people, but oh if you didn't marry a step that's people who repeating something they heard or read or something they don't know about. I think, and that's why Hunter. People think, oh, he's got thick skin and all this stuff. No, he's a human being. Things are said that are irthful, and you know his family gets upset by them and stuff, but he understands the business and where those comments are coming from and they don't hold any water. So do you. It's good that you said that and you can speak to that because you've a brand with uh yeah, Triple H with Paul before being a huge part of starting at the Performance Center. So you're saying that he his his really passion for the industry is at a level that nothing would have stopped him from being involved in the stuff that he's doing today. Yeah. Yeah, I'm saying that hands down. Uh. What people don't know and like our listeners and people that are following us and tuning in and people listening to Cornett and to Dutch into Jim Ross and to all these all these great guys out there and Jared Never what people don't know is people who know him though. But Paul of Beck is a historian, is a wrestling historian. He will sit and talk to you not about the product that's going on Monday night. You will talk to you about the business. And he has studied the business. There's to me, there's far and few between this generation. I'm I'm I'm on the you know, upside of going to be sixteen the next two years. So my generation of cats and guys that have been in the business, there's far and few between that are wrestling historians and can break it down for you, not only the match, the time, the place, what this story was, how they built it up, what it meant, what they were thinking. That's what makes him who he is, and that for the people that get to work with him understand his passion and love for the industry, and that's why he has such a tight crew and people that will People will now do the same for Paul that they did for Vince. They will run through walls for him because they believe in him and understand what his endgame is. And the endgame for Levec has always been to further this business in the most the best way possible. And it's again this is all building my opinion from what I know and my my time with both Vince and and Triple I give the I give them kudos. This has really been long term secession planning. Uh. I don't know how Stephen McMahon plays into this or she ever will again, I don't. That's entirely up you know, that's we don't know that, right, But they've done a hell of a job with just triple age that long term secession planning that would be absolutely critical for the company's future. Granted, I don't think Vince McMahon will go anywhere till the day he dies. I think he'll still be around and heavily involved. Uh. But nevertheless, they've set like you said, they've said something else up something up here that will go on and on that. Then it'll be uh up to Triple H to eventually do the same thing. Yeah, and and I believe that that's what Hunter's been doing for years, is building his team for that succession. Here's the other side of it. I would work for Stephanie Commands as as the head of creative as well. I think Stephanie stronger business. I'm trying to think business business senses in the word. I'm looking for the slaughter, the broader spectrum of the the you know, the global part of w W, the brand, the ambassador's free ambassadorship of it, ambassadors made ambassador. But I uh, and here's another one who I think Paul relies very heavily on. And not because they're married or there are a couple they're in love where they like each other. This young lady grew up in this business and her father's a genius, and so I think, you know, I think they're just growed. They were groomed. They were being groomed. And listen, it's a hard thing to sit underneath the tree of vincement. You've got to develop patience, You've got to develop a lot of things, and you have to have a you have to continually fix your self esteem so you're not doubting things like that. And so the perseverance that Paul has had and the love for the business, and he sees the opportunity if he you know, if he just hangs in there and does hey's his dues right there. It is wrestling, right pay your dudes. And it's not just in the ring. He's paid his dues and he will continue to pay his dues. But as he leads us into the future of what ww is, I know that's a long explanation, but I'm I'm a believer in Triple H. I was a believer in Triple H before I met him. I'm in WCW. He's in ww F. And then I got to know him, you know, briefly, his talents. You know, he was definitely on a larger plane than I was. So, but we we never didn't get along, you know, in past, and we didn't know a lot of each other until we started working together in twenty eleven and then sold in an hour as a coach, you know, in an hour of wrestling, who the talent is. By the time our first meeting was done in Nashville, I knew who he was, what he wanted to do, and I was in and I was one of those guys who would run through walls for you. But yeah, it's amazing, he said. So if we're going to have guys like that with guys and guys like that and a team with you other people that you think of who are just diehard triple H guys, I would say, William Rigel appears to be. He uh. He sure fought to get back to WW pretty quick when he when he could. Yeah, Tony Conn was kind enough. I'll give Tony Conn that you don't want to And that's the one thing I will say about aw Tony Conn. It seems like, hey, you don't want to be here, then well and if you listen to I think Regal at the time, part of him going was he he had the out already in his contract or agreement, even if it was a handshake, he had it stipulated that if he has an opportunity, he's going back. So that something has to be said about Levek's leadership and you know what he what he's doing or wants to do. Here's road Dog back right, here's you know he Jason Jordan, who's not been a producer, You got hurt and they groomed him because he was I E. S I E. Wrestling. Yeah, and I love him. Nathan Everhart is a great, great man. But you look at Adam Pierce, now, you look at the the introduction of Nick All. This Triple H is a huge n W a historian, so he holds that nw A legacy very close to his to his chest. So look who he's bringing in and what he's building, and it's just it's cool to watch from the outside in. Yeah, we'll get to more of it. Nick oldis hair and shortly. Uh yeah, And I'll say one more thing on the topic we were on. It seems like the Triple H with certain people does really have the ability to make others around him better. Yeah, I think you see the best of Shawn Michaels from a professional standpoint, Yes, when he is with he is with Triple H. I mean, you look at Sean because you never would have thought Shawn Michaels would be never I'm saying. I'm saying as a fan, you wouldn't think that Shawn Michaels would be doing what he's doing today. Just three two thousand and two, two thousand and three, Shawn Michaels. You just wouldn't picture it. Yeah, And I've been in the room when Seawan has told people, I'm not a coach. I'm not that guy. I mean he said, you know, I could have an opinion to maybe help you in a direction, but I'm not that guy. Look what he's turned into. And it's the fact that Hunter believes in so much that he did it. Matt Bloom. So you know people who go, uh and might I say, people, let's talk about the Internet, you know, society here, the Internet universe, and they go, well, why is a train or you know all you know hip hop, hippo and all these how can he the And it's the because Paul understands who he has and what's there, and he knows what these people can do not what the fans have seen for years, but what these people people are care people. Norman smile. Yeah, I mean you you go, Dave Findley all you know, and so, but that's a revolving door as well. There's a shelf life for wrestlers, there's a shelf life for producers. There's a shelf life for certain people. Then there's other people a Lah Pat Patterson, Jerry Brisco that have a long term shelf life and are there because they're the people that could look Vincity eye and tell him you're full shit, this don't work, don't do it. And Paul has those people with him too, And I I tried never to curse, but nobody says your book crap. But he also shrobbed himself with people that aren't gonna just yes him and that he knows we'll sit him down and go listen, man, give this a thought. And that's that's from under the Learning Tree. Evince. Yeah, that says a lot. Certainly, there's a you know, we'll let's segue it up. Really this okay, so aw eventually has to Tony Coott has to start building something like this. I don't know if you get that from the Young Ducks and Kenny Omega. I don't know. I'm not around him. I'm just I'm just somebody watching. I just see the silly matches and stuff, you know, and that's not obviously always an indicator of somebody's professionalism. Yeah, but from what you hear, and of course that's just hearsay. But eventually though, I mean, you know, you got Jeff Jarrett there, He's had William reegl there, He's got arn Anderson there, a lot of really talented people. Eventually they got to put together some sort and he even has some roles for like Jim Ross, Tony Shavanni. And we'll get to Tony Shavanni later. By the way, he's on the docket of listener questions. But he does ask the people there that you think he could have. I know, he has titles on him. I just don't really understand how he's utilizing him. Yeah, I saw Oh my gosh, further Christopher Daviez. Yeah the Night Now, from my understanding, all Angel he works behind the scenes. He's head of talent relations. So if he's the head of talent relations, what is he doing on TV? So I don't know while people have a lot of titles. It's very cool to have a title. I'm not diminishing all those people who have kids have worked their way into those positions, But I still don't think they have any say or anything. I think maybe that's what they're trying to do with Daniel Bryant, someone to kind of look Tony, Tony the igo it doesn't work this way, you know, or we need this, or let's let's do this. Uh Tony Kahan, who clearly loves the business. Oh yeah, he is a fan of the industry. I'm not sure that he's someone who can lead ae W for the next five years. And if he plans on that, he needs to build a team that A is not afraid to look him in the eye, tell him to stop using social media. B he starts listening to suggestions and opening his ears and his pencil to more creative ideas and you know, whatever it is. But because you have too many people, seems like he gets a lot of ideas done around there. I don't I don't know if they're all ran by or I don't know if the process I mean, I'm curious, what was the process like? And sorry to cut you off, if you wanted to do something. I don't want to say go row because that defeats exactly what I'm saying. But if you wanted to do something on TV, what was that process? Like? You had to get that in front of events? What long before? Yeah, you had to get it in front of your producer. And there's certain writers that worked with you know, they had a farm of talent, these set writers that work with D ten and so on and so on. So you'd have to talk to your writers about it and talk to your producer about it, and even if it was the day of the show, you'd have to be working really hard to get that in front of bench. So what's just something? And don't get me wrong, there's a lot of people went out and went off off strip that did what they wanted and caught everybody off guard camera, mean everything, and there was hell to pay and you didn't see those people yet, you know. So, but there was a process because it was treated like a business. It wasn't a free for all of just a because there's no difference in the AW locker room and the WW locker room. Everybody in the n XT locker room wants to go out there and do a million things, but they're being roomed and told and shown and taught a certain way to do things. Ae W, go do your thing. That's what it seems like. Yeah, whatever that thing is. But now you're losing the people. Allot Jade Cargill, who could stay there and do whatever she wanted, from what I understand, was offered and Tony said, he offered a great deal of money to stay, but she sees that there's more to this business and the opportunities to come with it if she learned structure and and you know, for a lot of years people said, oh, the Developmental Center is just cooked cutter and they're all gonna be the same people. Well, Kevin Owens doesn't look like uh Drew McIntyre, Sammy's ad doesn't look like Roman Reigns. Oh, you know, go up and down the line. Seth Robins doesn't look like you know, big E. Yeah. People are crazy at this point in time to act like NXT hasn't been really I mean FCW two, but really NXT hasn't been beneficial that I don't even know how you can. But there are people that really feel as if nothing will ever happen with them. But there's nothing. Just like any sort of developmental system, whether it be baseball, basketball, there's people that are going to make it right. You're gonna try to develop them because that's what you're supposed to do that. There's people that are there's people that will quickly, there's people that will take years. And we've seen the quickly and we've seen the years for NXT. Not everybody's coming right up right, and I think for people to be I don't even think you can really say that it hasn't been a success because it's produced so much, not only in from a character development standpoint, you actually have them ready to go when they're on TV. I think it's the reps that are huge. Yeah, I mean there's still the NXT talent are running more live events. You forget to eat more live events than ay w is. They're getting the reps they're getting, they're you know, they're getting it and it's not a perfect science, but it's it's a better way of getting involved and you know you And the biggest thing for me now in this this group of NXT talent, if you look at them, not a lot of them came off the independence, so there wasn't that bad habit or that bad mindset of I know who I am, damn it, I belong in the main roster. And it was always your argument, don't fight it. Okay, you you believe it that bad? There you go and then they're gone. Wait, it's basically been said that. Ww I mean I think it was Gabe Gabe that sproskin said that basically done scouting the uh yeah for the now, which is absolutely crazy. But nevertheless, to your point, it you were because they've they've learned, and I feel like they've been shown and it's been proven that you take and you take independent super far. Yes, bring them into this thing and literally tell them here's the playbook we have, here's what we'd like you to do. And and they're there for a month thinking they want to go to the main roster. And once they're not there, there's the attitudes. There's the you know people that literally walked in those doors for six weeks. If you turn around and say, well, I'm walking on eggshells, that's because you heard someone else say it. That's because you're not happy with what you're doing. But the company is grooming you to be a success. When you're in xAd, sorry to cut you off. When you're a NXT. Do you remember a lot of people hearing myself he in feedback? It's weird. Do you remember a lot of people complaining about not making to the roster in time? Or do I still have nightmares? I still have Listen, man, don't fight. And that was the thing I told them all the time. You're in your bed every night, even when we go through love that you're in your bed every night. Yeah, what you gonna do in a roster loaded with talented men and women? What do you bring to the table, Not what you think you bring, What do you bring creatively? All these things? And I'll use here, I'll use Sammy Zain as an example, and hopefully everybody understands one. I respect the hell out of Sammy's Ain. I'm so happy for him. He's amazing. But Sammy z Ain wanted to stick to El Generica. He wanted to come out in the live events in the hood. He wanted to because people know me, and people nobody gives a tinker's damn what you did before you got there. They want to see who you're gonna be, what you're capable of, and the hardest thing to tell young talent or experience talent. Let them get to know you and see what you can do, instead of just telling them and showing them this is what I do. That's the hardest lesson to learn in the developmental system. That's the difference I think between WWE and ae W and WWE they hold tied to the fact that we know you can do because we're paying you a ridiculous amount of money to be here in Orlando. Well, we're gonna get you stronger from the inside. Now, we're gonna make sure you're healthy. We're gonna make sure you speak right, you and yourself properly in and out of the ring, all these things. Where's aew is triple NB, You're on third, you know. So that was the hardest thing for the cats that were struggling mentally with why and because they all they heard was this is developmental So they took it as a shot. Where how do you get upset making seventy five K a year when you walk in the door to learn something? How and if you stop being so And here's the thing. Some people said they could do it, and they got brought up. Then they weren't the character they were doing. They weren't doing what they were doing. They were there for three months of maybe TV. Then they were there sitting and catering three four times a day for the next six months until they lost their mind, got fired, did something, didn't make a shot. All these things, all these attitudes and things come back out and you eventually show who you truly are. So the biggest argument day in and day out was don't rush it because once you go, you're not being sent back down to get better, which is the big difference between now when raw and SmackDown superstars come down, they're not being set down to get better. Now this is the third brand. Now they're interacting. This has been the vision from a jump like at any given time of the week, they're everywhere. So yeah, I know that's a long answer. And because I'm so into this conversation, you saw it all the time. And the hardest thing as a coach is to give into people you're doing a great job. But I never wanted to say are you getting paid? Because I hated that from people. Yeah, hearing, well, you get the check, that's not why they're there. And I know that, But at the same time, don't ruin a good thing, because you're the only one who's unhappy. I never I rarely had to go to a talent and sit them down because of something they did. They always wanted to come to me because of something they didn't think they were being able to do. If that makes sense, Yeah, makes sense there that episode, I think the episode titled our previous episode was what the Hell's going on in a W? And in that episode we actually broke down how we thought aw can benefit from a developmental system. One more question evolving that, so how did individuals handle it when you brought because part of NXT success was also intermixing it with some people that maybe had been well established outside do what I mean and what this would do is not only would to elevate the talent that are new is like new literally to wrestling, It would also kind of polish this them up I guess to the Dodo w way before they went onto the main roster. And so how did people handle like an austin Are's coming in? Obviously Kevin Owens had quite the name. A lot of these guys did, uh, but some of them more than another Shinsky Knockamore would be another one, but even Sammy's anna, like you said, at a well known Uh, he's well known before he got there. But how did they handle it when somebody else come in. You know, they're getting paid more, but their their their jobs kind of different than than those of a new talent. Well, i'll tell you that group of that class of guys that were coming in and girls, Finn Balor came in and followed the process. That's another one I forgot. Yeah, he was. He struggled a little bit at the beginning. It was a little frustrating becau Yet he's great ideas and the demon and all these things. But it's a process and he understood it. And here's what he did that no one else would do. He asked questions and sat and listened to the answers. He didn't ask questions to go yeah yeah, yeah. Kevin Owens didn't come in and going I'm Kevin Owens and screw you. That's not why he became went to the top. It was his attitude and how he perceived what was going. Was it frustrating for him, Yes, I imagine it was frustrating because you could call your own shocks where you came from. We're just asking you to do this. Seth Rollins struggled with the structure of the company. That's all I believe, if you just let me do this that I'll be the biggest thing ever. Well, do you understand that in order for you to get that way, you have to build that trust and show that you're a team player. Otherwise, why are we putting all this time and investment into you so you can go back and do what you want to do. So there was an investment, and I think a lot of the talent understood they were an investment that was going to pay off. But then a lot of them just got frustrated with the fact of this isn't for me, and that's okay too. I think there was a lot of people that left the system, and I was the first one. If you're not happy, don't stay here, But don't burn a bridge on the way out. Don't sean, don't act the fool, don't go on social don't you know, don't point the fingers. You know, it's like anything else. It can't be my fault. You're not succeeding when you're the one out there getting to do all this stuff. You just didn't like what you were being told. And then the other side of it, you had to watch the people that were bypassing the head coach, the person running it, and going to the top dog, because he made himself available to everyone early on. So they all bypassed the system and went to the top dog. And I tried to tell them, what does that? What does that tell our boss about you? Same conversation I have with people sometimes exactly so funny that after the fact they go, oh, crap, it's not a leg up. You're not getting a leg up when you're doing so, because listen, his job is the baby face. My job is the heel. He's cold. Even you don't trust the system is what you're doing. Yeah, And and so he's gonna patch you on the end and go, no, we'll take care of Maybe it was a misunderstand that they come back thinking and then he calls you and he says, yeah, he goes, guess what, now, I got you. But it was funny the people that did that. And then you know, we had meetings at full sale before TV's and everything, and he goes, okay, go get this one. Let's sit down. And so they see it face to face, and then that room be that talent me and Triple H and they're thinking I'm gonna get it when he's reinforcing what they're there for, why they're there, what they're doing, and he told them, you don't like it, leave, Well at the end of the day, no one wants to walk away from at the time sixty five seventy five k even now, I don't know who would walk away from it. But the grass is, you know, And then trying to tell them from experience the grasses and green on the other side, maybe you'll get to do what you want, but you're not gonna make that kind of money and you're not going to get the experience, and you're not gonna be able to come back here if you burn that bridge the way you're trying to do it, you know. So I saw a lot of it, but I saw a lot of guys that were mature. The guys that spent a lot of time on independent service were very mature in their approach. Yeah, Owens, Cizarrow, Seth Wrongs became very mature in his approach. Roman Reigns was mature in his approach from the jump. He wasn't happy with it. He knew he was gonna be as farm everybody was telling him. But he's he he fought his instincts and didn't try to rush it and didn't try to prove his point. And and you know there's other people that just said, screw it, this isn't for me going you talked about and we'll tie this up with defensing man. But NXT really being in a developmental center, really performance center, excuse me, really being an investment I think another thing that can go missed. And the beauty of it all really they're developing more than like wrestlers too, like commentators. There's so like they they've made this thing and probably more than I even know. Heck, I mean, there's probably other roles they are developing, but there's just so much more than the wrestling part that they're developing through NXT, through the performance center. The whole business, it is a little jog is being developed there. They on they they started a internship, if you will, with cameramen, with sound people, with you know, all of a sudden, we're doing all the video game voiceovers down there in the performance center. So instead of flying to California, Connecticut, now they're rough flying there. And now talent are getting to call matches. Byron Sachson when he was done and on the road full time, would come down and call matches, pull up any NXT matches and have them call them. Michael Pole would come down. You were learning the commentator side, you were learning the ring announcer side, you were learning the referee side, you were learning almost you were. There was a room built for everything, and you know that turned out to be for a lot of people. That was a lot of work. There were six rooms with giant screen TVs and logins to watch their matches with certain coaches, not the one you work with all the time. I'm another coach with a different set of experience. That became we really got to stay here for that because don't forget the FCW and Deep South and OVW and and HWA. They all came from this mentality of you're there three days a week, three hours a day, everybody at once, and after that three hours the rest of the days on you to turn into the started eight o'clock in the morning, you're done by five o'clock. In that time, you're gonna be in the ring, You're gonna be in a gym being trained by a professional trainer. You're gonna be in the promo room, you're gonna be doing this, you're gonna be doing your reap, you're gonna be doing all these things, and you're done by five six o'clock and you're going. But guess what it is. It's a job. It's a job you're trying to do for three hundred days a year. And so that was the hard thing for people to figure. I have people fight, he said, I'm not going to your gym. I have a gym membership. Oh okay, that's great, but you're being paid to be here. And we've got the best trainers in the world, straight traders, and yeah, you know, we had trainers that were fighting, trying to give like every coach had to give their resume to talent to get them to believe it them. That's backwards to me. When you walk in the door and you got people that are experts in their field, you shouldn't have to be telling them what you do, why you do it, how long you've been doing it, how good you are. They should be okay, show me the girls Forever. The girls in particular Forever argued that they didn't want to be in that gym, Why do we have to do that? So they get the answer from the trainer. Well, they go and talk to Paul, and then Paul go, you're doing it because of this. Oh wait a minute. The other guy said, I guess we should listen to And I think it's like anything else. Oh yeah, this business, you know, you know, your business and and everything we do, it doesn't change. But it's just so funny to think that it's so so much opportunity there that people wanted to fight it, and everybody thinks they can recreate the wheel and make it better. Their way is the best way, and what NXT tries to do is cut through all that bullshit. Basically, yeah, and uh, definitely great. So the branchild behind n XT, it's a triple h. How much since we're Vince McMahon was a title this episode, how much he had to do with that, how much the day behind it was he? How involved was he? I think the game show version of NXT was the writers and Vince thing. When you don't the first start out the NXT thing, you know, the challenges. They had a superstar that was their mentor and all that stuff that Crapah, Yeah, it was just a different way to open the door, to bring in people and try to make it, I guess interesting. But this, this NXT now that was already owned by WWE, starting in FCW, was the brainchild of Paul, and Paul had a vision and I think Paul went to Vince and he finally said, Okay, taken run and let's see what you can do with it. And I think it was so I don't think I know, I'm gonna say, I know for a fact that he got so successful by the time we left Tampa and FCW and became NXT and we're shooting at full sell and built the performance area by the time it became so successful and the very first time people said it was a third brand, there had to be a hall to it because that talent pool in the first grouping was so strong that every one of them that went up failed. And let's saying failed on purpose. I'm just it failed because I feel like it was a little threatening to the main roster. But it was a success, and Paul stayed with his vision. And so we'll go through the history of NXTV leagu and they changed and he took him out of it, and it was NXT two point zero, and they did all this stuff, and but Paul stayed the course. The people in place stayed the course. They went with what they were told, but they knew when the time was right, it was gonna go. And it's right back to where it should have been, and it's successful again that I think we can agree. There's a there's a couple of years in there where it was just uh, it was truly a fark in church. Yeah, and a lot of people left because of it. Yeah, they're on aw television right now. Yeah. And so now now you've got people going, hey, you're not doing anything with me. I'll go and I'll be a start because guess what, I'm not a start to developmentical stuff. I'm a start in the third brand, you know. But I think there was so much competition. Everybody took it. Everybody on the main roster, and I'll say behind the scenes took it as a competition between NXT and raw or NXT and smell that. There was a little bit of animosity there. So there had to be I'm gonna say, okay, let me teach the kid a lesson. Let me slow this down a little bit. My opinion I'm sure if esswick Manhnon was part of the literal sense of NXT becoming financially a huge financial impact positively on the company. Yeah, you get developmental system, you brand it. The next thing, you know, you have television deals from the damn developmental system, along with all the other positive things we talked about. But there was a lot of money that went into NXT the you know, upgrading the sets and the lighting for the live events and changing you know, getting ring trucks that were actual ring trucks instead of renting one once a week to go to a show. I mean, my dear friend and my captain, Steve Kurrent, had a trailer he'd put in the back of his truck and that's how the shows went. We went to having an eighteen wheeler branded. So there was a lot of investment, and they weren't seeing in their mind, they weren't seeing that investment paying off. But then when those TV deals came through and everything else, well maybe we got something here. And then it started to become a raw production. It started becoming these things, and it didn't It didn't really work. It's a place of business, though, I mean, is what it is. But it's it's it's a success, and I think it's going to continue to be a success. We started off this conversation talking about vesick Man, and you've segued it in good fashion to Triple H, like you had said, this is where this is, this is who we're going to talk about now in the creative and for the record, I don't think Triple H wants to be like I feel like sometimes Tony Kahn like wants to get that booker of the year. I think Triple H more or less just wants to manage the business. I don't think he's worried about the accolades at this point. Yeah, time in booking or NXT or yeah, and I but I think it's lessons learned from from you know, the regime BeForever. He knows that he can be a the game, can be a character three four times a year, come out for a couple of announcements, stir the pot once in a while. But yeah, I agree with you. I think he just wants to do what he does best now and and keep bringing the product forward. And he's got enough people. He's building that team where he's got enough people to do those things on camera and things like that, and I think that's the way that I think ultimately that's the way you envision the business. But I can't imagine how hard it was for Vince to just step away from it. Though. Yeah, you know, he doesn't play golf, He doesn't you know, he doesn't sleep in late and read the paper and all these things. This has been his life for so long, and I think Paul has seen that. So family's important to him, his girls and you know, his wife and everything. So he finds those times and then he realized that other people need those times as well. So I think we're gonna keep seeing a progression of you know, the evolution of this business evolution, you know, I think. So what do you think we'll go ahead and segue out of this here? We got a good I think we had a statement here. Hold on, let's see here. I wanted to say this. I can find it anymore. Okay, Chad Michael Purcell is triple h and asshole like Vince we was to people. So let's talk. Let's talk about that for a minute and we'll segue out of this. Vince McMahon, do you think we'll see Vince mc like mister McMahon the character still and because he's really it's been in moderation for years, right, that's when you talk about Tony Kahn. You wonder when that'll be the case. I think Vince McMahon certainly learned over the years. And triple H now, like you just said, make a couple Parents of the Year, blah blah blah, he's not on television. So answering this question, uh, is triple H and asshole like vincel was to people? I mean, is that a lot of that this mister McMahon, And then answer my question, do you think we'll see mister McMahon still. I'll answer your question first. I don't think we're going to see mister McMahon the character back on TV. I'd be very surprised because of this data of social media and the backlash of things, and it opens the door for negativity. I speak from experience, right, So unfortunately, when you know if someone was to call it, do you have to you have to weigh out what's the pros and cons of having this person back on TV and or back in the company or as a character or things like that. So I'm not sure we're going to see him back as a character, and I think that's going to be a company decision that makes that happen. As far as someone being an a ole to someone, I think this Chad, I think who said that. I think he's going off of what he reads and what he hears. Because I'm gonna say this, Vince McMahon the person never once treated me any less than an equal. He he called you right, Oh, Vince was one of the first people who called me when we talked about that when your daughter. But for the years, even if he had something to say, Like I had an encounter with Vince over Rye Back one time, and Rye Back was doing stuff in the ring and Vince was screaming at me. In the heat of the moment. You know that your boss talking to you, and this is wrestling, and if you're not butting edges with wrestling, then there's no passion. I'm sorry. That's just how I feel about it. And that's how the generation of people I came up. You're scared to death now, just kidd well, because it's when you first meet him you grew up. It's Vince McMahon. Yeah, But Vince McMahon, the person I I've never seen him ever treat someone worly. Vince Vincent McMahon or mister McMahon the character, biggest, biggest jackass on TV, biggest heal in the world. But that's what people judge him by. So and I use this a lot of times when I talked people. You know, when people saw me independent wrestlers who watched Tough Enough and grew up wanted to get into wrestling. They saw tough enough. When they met me. They only knew that guy. They didn't even know me, right, that was their judgment. So these when fans come out and say, well, Vince treats people, but what are they going by? I need it. For instance, like, you have to tell me that Vince pushed you against the wall, cussed your mama out, and kicked your dog and bit your girlfriend in order for you to make me believe that he treated you like an asshole. Otherwise it's just something you read, something you heard, something you streamed, or someone else said about him, and you're jumping on that bandwagon. And I said that, respectfully to Chad and everybody else out there. But we have to stop going by what we hear and start dealing with what we know for you and I we get to have the conversation because I've been in in the in the pit with them. I you know, I've I've I've danced to dance, I've lived with them, I've worked with them. So no, and Triple H isn't that guy either. How are they different as far as the way they're going to communicate with employees? How would you if you had to sum that up? I I from experience, I think Paul has a very a bigger threshold for argument. Is he more approachable. He's more approachable to a point until you want to keep arguing the same point. But then there's a point where Paul will shut you down. Vince will not hear an argument. If you come to him with something and you don't have a counter to what you're coming to him for, conversation is over, vinch last it's a lot of people in the corporate world. They're on executive If I said to you, hey, Jeff, you said, Bill, we're gonna do this, I say, well, Bill, do you like I go, well know, and you say, well what do you think? And I go, well, I really don't have anything. Well, then the conversation is over. Yep, right. But Paul has a big threshold and time for people and gives them an opportunity and tries to smarten people up along the way. But if it's the same conversation over and over again, he's going to shut you down. But I think Paul has a I guess it's going to sound bad no matter how I say it. His people's skills are better because he comes from a different generation than Vince Can and all the people that were with Vince came from that generation as well. That's not a knock, you know. I just want to make sure I'm not I never want to be disrespectful of talent or anybody else. But it's the other way out of saying Paul as a a uh modern Yeah, he has modern approach, sparts things, a modern understanding. Yes, so he understands that the mentality a little better, that people need to be coddled a little bit more at certain times, and things like that. But as far as Chad's question, I've never seen Vince treat people like that, and I would never think one Hunter will treat people like that. Well, let's segue off of that a little bit. Let's go into the next section. Here. We'll get to some listener questions and comments before we wrap this up. With that being said, Bill, what I'm going to share with you today is a clip that I shared today on on this day in pro wrestling history. So yeah, make sure you follow that on all your social media platforms and great stuff. I'm going to show you the clip that I posted today. Let me go ahead, and I want to make sure I get the entire thing here. Let's get the entire thing. Okay, So this was in This was two October nineteenth, two thousand and three. So wow, twenty years ago at Dow Universy, Vince McMahon defeated his daughter Stephen McMahon and I quit match. This took place in Baltimore, Maryland, which inner ginger matches were barred under Maryland State Athletic Commission rules, but WW paid the fine in advance and went a ed with the match. Yes, and I'm gonna show just a quick minute clip, a real, real quick run through this match. Let's do that real quick man smacks not looking off footpoll his eyes. Mister man is blankly. I'm not common run behind. He was paying for God's gonna let pipe around his course not, Oh gosh, very well, I'm I would say yea. And if if anybody's been a fan of his business for a long time, they said, Vince, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll have heard this word. It's been said that Vince will never do anything that he asked you to do, something he wouldn't do himself. And I'm gonna tell you right now, Vince held back nothing on Stephanie. Stephanie held back nothing on Vince. They led by example. The other side of it is they're not professionals, so they didn't know how to pull anything. So yeah, Nce, and it was an understanding going in Vinch was gonna man handle Stephanie. And that's exactly what he did. And when as one of the boys, when the mcmonas went out there and did that, there were those times when the McMahon's were all involved, I thought it was the greatest thing in the world because they went out there and did their thing. It wasn't about well, that's phony or this or that. Like they went at it and they treated it like they treated it like they want how they wanted everyone else to treat it. And you know, such a fan of that time, there's no way you could get away with doing that today it was a little bit much choking the daughter, uh with a lead pipe tell the mom throws in the white towel to grabbing the mom and throwing her down and then making out with sable. He could not do that today. Up, so it didn't exactly share, like I think I messed up the file when I uploaded. I was in a hurry. They didn't exactly share, right. But that was our segue out of Vince McMahon twenty years Man twenty years ago. I'm beelievable was twenty years By the way, I'm a big fan of him. This day, everything put up freaking it's fun. It's fun. It bothers me because I I it's the timeframe that bothers me, not the stuff you put. I'm like, oh my gosh, that was twenty years Bob Orton's cast. He wanted to know what you thought about Sting. So what's happened here? Sting has come out and said that his retirement he sat in an aw revolution in twenty twenty four as his final match. Yeah, good for him. I'm not sure it needed to be said on TV one. I think the response was brutal, no one, because here's why I think it was brutal. That's not a wrestling crowd. They're not necessarily sting fans. They're a e W fans. Yeah, so there was a couple of sting chants. You still got it, thank you say all these things. Imagine that that that announcement being made a w W e RA or w w RA unbelievable deafening would have went on forever. So I'm I'm not a fan of him announcing it so many months in advance, because then, oh my gosh, now something you know wrestling world, right, something always goes wrong where somebody gets hurt or something like this, and all of a sudden he's not in that match that he's then he's a you know, a jerk for saying it, or someone screwed the pooch. But I have a problem with people retiring and then I'm retiring and retiring and and I feel like, I don't know. I'm glad for him, though, man, But he's never really said he's retired. There has well, he retired her he got hurt as the Seth Charon's bucklebomb, but he never said I'm retired. I don't think he said I'm retired. He just said he was done. Well, you got to give him that. I don't think he's ever had a big old retirement, But I think if he stays to his guns on it well deserved. I'm a big fan of him as a person and as a character. I hope he goes out like I would love to see Sting go out the way Sting would go out, not not jumping off a scaffold or something, you know, something like that. So I do agree. Somebody and I was saying, well, I wonder who his opponent's going to be and all these things. I hope they make it really special because he's a special kind of guy. I think if if Tony Kahn was thinking business, uh, Steve Borden would stay on in some capacity to help him and help the company move forward. But I thought it was great. I just I'm one of those stalgic people goes. I think he deserved a better response than that. I think it could have been done in the better And I mean I'm saying that selfishly as a fan and as a and as a person who has their utmost respect for him. I would have liked to see him met more, you know, because you never want to come on. You know, hey, this is my last match, and people like, okay, cool, what's next. Yeah, so I think it's big news. But here you go again, let's let's look into it. Okay, Adam CopM comes in, Stings retire, so we're just trading stars off and you know, off and on. If you really want to read it, to it and make it less. But I'm a big fan. I will be watching that one. So you can put me down as saying that that pay per viewer live event or whatever it's called. I will be watching that one because I'd like to see it, do you Uh. I will say this before I go on the next I'm happy Sting gotta make some more money. I think that's that's awesome. Yeah. Uh, he's been in a weird booking scenario. But then again, there's only so much he can do, so I think hopefully it's a good booking and and it just all wraps. I don't think there's anything that could happen that will take away from anything that he's done. I'll say that, but I'm hoping it's a good last moment. Yeah, that's what I think. I was trying to say, I hope nothing tarnishes the whole career. You know, I don't think he could at this wint nor would he let it. Don't think so either, And a new generation of fans were introduced to him. I hope they, you know, it's one of those things. I hope they go back and google all the stuff he's done throughout his career and go to YouTube and watch all this stuff to really appreciate what he's meant and what he's done in this business. So I'm afan and I'm gonna I'm gonna be watching it. The all elite cronies Twitter name, Twitter names crony's. I heard that in a while. Do you support WWE's partnership with Saudi Arabia and the Crown Dual Events. I think what they're referring to is probably the humanitarian issues that come into play with Saudi Arabia. They get a lot of money to do it. Well, that's just it, right, I think, in business, not just in wrestling. In business, if there's a lot of money involved, people will find ways to find a loophole to justify what they're doing. I don't the company, even golf, they've got golf tied up, They've got golfers going over there for a million, soccer you know, you know all these things. I don't believe there's a place in wrestling for politics. Unfortunately, there's a lot of people in wrestling who are involved everily in politics. I'm not one. So when someone's going to Saudi Arabia and I think this has happened and still goes on, if the talent are not comfortable or don't believe in it, they're told they don't have to go, no arm, no foul. I think as long as they keep that those guidelines there for people who do have interest or thoughts or feelings about it, or you know, things like that, if they're allowed to stay out of certain things, I think that's okay. But as far as wrestling you go around the world, well it'd be the same. I think people can make the argument attribute to the troops and frying flying over to Iraq all the time and putting everybody in jeopardy, So I think there's always going to be an argument for it. I don't look at it that way to answer the elite cronies, I don't ever look at it that way. I don't know, how dare they do that? Now, Don't get me wrong. You don't go to like at nine to eleven, you were going to set up a ring when all that happened, You know what I mean that. I don't think anybody looks to press the boundaries that much. And I think you're always going to find people to look read into it a little bit. But I don't combine it too so I personally don't ever look at it like that. I appreciate the fact that people who are affected around family or something like that don't feel they should be a part of it or need to go I like that, and that's where the business has changed again. That's where they they have that right to speak up, and you know, things go on winter hail on Twitter. I don't want to get to it deep into this one today because we have a million times bill. Sounds like there will be no cmpucket O to B. What about Impact? We touched up on that last week quite a bit. Yeah. I think you know, he finds Phil finds a way to keep himself relevant. I think Impact would be good for him. I don't think he's gonna go back to WW. I just don't the right place in time, and now I think with the UFC merger and things like that, maybe there's no place for him. But I think impact. But again, I don't think it's gonna be a long standing thing. So I think he can make an appearance, maybe a couple of shots and who knows. But I think for me, I've moved past the cm punk subject and it's not a knock gonna fill at all. It's just get you know, let it, let that go. Don't worry about where you're gonna see him. If you see him, side for yourself when you think about it. But I don't think he's gonna be in w W fence McMahon's mustache. Can you guys believe that Michael Cole missed yet another Monday Night ra all this week? This is the third time he's missed a night of commentary in twenty five years. I think he's being a smart ass. That What I love about that is you could the sarcasm is right there in front of you. So I appreciate the fact that he put Michael Cole over it was. It's funny how it works out that it was the what was it the debut, the season debut or whatever it was called yeah, looks out that with you had a pre in a commitment or something. Yeah, but you know, three shows in twenty five years, that's insane, insane, And the fact that his presence was missed so much, and then see, that's one of the things I appreciate when people go, oh, no, Michael Cole, but a lot of people went to the negative. Uh oh no, the guy just you know, had a mal It's like Jerry Lawler. You knew when Jerry wasn't there, it had to be a reason, right, and it was his health and okay, so now you know everybody making it. But I appreciate bits his mustache for the sarca has been putting coal over because like it's almost like, well, how dare anybody read into it? Three times in twenty five years, Pianne gets sick and stuff, and Michael Cole has only missed three days and listen, and not just twenty five years of one show in twenty five years, Like I think some people think Michael Cole gets on a a plane and goes home after Monday night, Michael Cole flies to Orlando. Michael Cole workship people in these things. Michael Cole is a leader behind the scenes in the WWE Mache. He has a lot more responsibilities than just what he does on the air. So three days. But I think it's really really cool that when a guy like Michael Cole is missing, people pick up one and go oh, so I appreciate this sarcasm. That's why Vince's mustache is my number one guy on this show. I'm gonna wrap things up here with this one. So Tony Shavanni recently asked to get back into play by play. He was given the duty of doing just so on Collision. Also, Tony Shavanni was named twenty twenty four Gordon Solely Award recipient by George It's yeah, the Luthas Hall of Fame, which is sitting by and you're right there. Uh you heard about the news. I'm sure Tony Shavanni what a yestink. And he's back on play by play, which thought was a little strange, but nevertheless, big big fan of Tony Shabani. Oh yeah, Tony Shavani from the day I walked into Atlanta treated me like like I belong there. Utmost respect for his knowledge of the business and the fact that he's a huge baseball fan. Tony Shavanni's another one that Tony con would benefit from if he listened to. I feel congratulations to Tony on this, on this upcoming year's induction into the Hall of Fame with the Gordon Soli Award, well deserved. I'm not sure. I don't like Tony Schavanni in the role he's and I guess I'll say the other night when Wardlow brushes by him and Tony takes a bump and all this stuff, it takes away from who he is in my opinion, Yeah, I don't want to see Tony go down that road Shavannie. You know, I don't want to see him go down that road of becoming an on air character. He's too good at what he does. He brings too much to the table to become a flop guy now or just to be a you know, a filler or something like that. So I think Tony Tony's biggest asset to this company, I think would be behind the scenes. Don't get me wrong, Nobody beats him on commentary what he's doing. I think he does a spectacular job. I'm just not I don't care for the becoming that on air character. You know what I mean, but big fan, I think Tony Tony can do a lot of good for ae W if if it's done the right way. Man. Another fun recording tonight with some new gizmo and gadgets that we played only one only one roadbump there, but we got through it. Man. What if you think about today's conversation and some of the interactive things we're doing. Yeah, First of all, that roadbook was even cooler because I got to see you pull it up on your page and Twitter page and stuff like that. So I say it all the time, and I'm gonna give your flowers every freaking time. Dude. The stuff you're doing to advance this, you know, the Bill Demolic experience, and it's not the build them my experience. It's the Jeff and Bill experience. What you're doing and how you're doing in this new format is exciting. I love interacting with with our followers, the fans and people who just have questions. I love the I love the brutal honesty, and I appreciate you and I having conversations where we can share our opinions openly, not you know, be afraid to say what we're thinking or what we feel about it and realize it's all for the same it's all for the same thing. I love it, man. We're just getting better and better and you're doing an amazing job, dude, And I hope you find more buttons and crazy stuff because this is this is really cool. I can't wait till we have yes and there's three of us on the screen and we're doing all that stuff we don't need. We don't need code end and disco on codein and Disco And I said, uh uh, I think I told you last week. Conan is a cool dude. Reached out to me on on Twitter to at about what I thought of the show and all that, So just go And I talked to Joe who produces the show as a gay is it all the time. I was like, that's super cool to make sure you go up if somebody's show an interest in what you're doing, to go out of your way to thank them. And he's absolutely cool of them, because a lot of people do all take the time to do that. They're worried about themselves and that's it. So kudos the Conan and the team. There's much respect to the k Dot. Well, Bill, we have a bunch of episodes of people can go listen to from the past. They should go to build Dumont dot com to do so. I say that because it gets there's YouTube videos up there, there's the audio up there, there's a links to all the podcast player platforms the Build DeMont experience. Contact us on any social media. I'm at podcast father, he's a Bill d'mont build Amont pod at gmail dot com. Did I get everything there? I think so, yeah, And it's up on social media. I love to see in the I see a lot more questions and suggestions and things coming up, and hey, I'll retweet you and follow you and do whatever we gotta do. I appreciate everybody's input and what they're doing. And again, this experience gets better each and every week, and I'm excited. I'm excited every week about what we do. It's amazing experience. Man, it's everybody's experience. I feel like, yeah, well, you know what I'm going to say to close it off. What do you have to say before we do that? Then we'll hit the queue of the ultra music. We'll be done. Here's my thought for the rest of this week. Somebody somewhere can be affected by what you do or say, and if you know that, maybe we can lift them up. We don't know what kind of days somebody's happened. Maybe we can lift them up and in turn somebody to do the same for you. Well said, well said. Everybody should practice more of that for sure. Keep practicing that, and keep being you, and keep being great when you get back feeling bright, shake shack, don't care taken out sends on the rock, what my cat? Don't let my mothery go? Man your sweat shack, best yourself, don't you finish your shack room model Jeff Townsend. Media saves you good night. And the question is do I stay here? Will you be back? Are you gonna come back? Will you be back? Are you coming back?