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What's she gonna do? Brother? When Jeff Townsend media runs wild on you, Molly, alright, alright, alright, you're gonna experience all right, you experienced heers. I don't know if that's a word. You're about to experience experienceers. You're about to experience a new experience with the build up on experience. Hurricane Bill, of course, is with me, build him on. I'm Jeff Townsend, man. Your dodge is a bad part of the hurricane Bill. But uh, you know we always sit there and say, you know, we're always careful, but you know, we we we skate do it compared to a lot of people in the state as it went up to the Georgia state line and things like that, and you know, now now it's over the Carolina's over that way. But yeah, we a lot of wind, a lot of grain, a lot of tornado watches or warnings, which everyone's worse. I think the warnings are worse. So we go all, yeah, yeah, well here are the warnings are hers, yes, yeah, warnings of different yeah yeah, yeah. You get the warnings on your phone there too. Yeah. It went at about three o'clock in the morning on Wednesday three, three am And the rule of thumbing in the demot mansion is if Mama's not up telling everybody to go to a certain room, then we don't have to worry about it because she's from Iowa, so her fota. So as as my daughter slept and my son sudden, you know, they've got the alarm it off, but they're like, Mom's come to give you him to go back to sleep. So we got imeber aiding a lot of stuff. But we're very Sarah fais share of tornadoes here, Didiana as well. It's a West thing for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the tornado expert. But we yeah, we we fared the we fared the reins and everything like that, so all is good. You know, I'm a kind of a tornado nerd myself, and I used to actually watch a lot of documentaries, read about it a lot. Can you imagine before there is a warning system, like just you were before it, before you had any way of knowing it all? Like no, I mean that would be terrifying. The only warning a system hind is what you saw right well, you heard, I guess, yeah, and then by the time you see it here, it's too late. I was telling my son of this buddy because they had off of school, you know, all school shut down, so they were over, you know, over at the house messing around, like told him the story out we were and my my good, good good friend Mickey J. The referee and I. We were driving through New Mexico and a lot of it's like baring, you know, there's not a lot of stuff and you get to like the next town in certain areas well often that this is the the The landscape started lighting up and my god, it's great lightning and you know, cool little atmosphere. No lo and behold it stayed lit up, and we saw the funnel cloud chase us into the city like there was nowhere for us to go. So you couldn't like ditch the car, you couldn't find it. So we were trying to outrun the day of tornado and we got to the valley parking part of the hotel. Why does the tornado ripped through without wow? But it kind of goes off your thing of you without sirens or anything. All you out it was your vision and to see what the weather was like. So it's uh, now though now we got alarms for everything, kind of lout. Oh, it's gonna read, it's gonna fun, it's gonna yep. Yeah, it seems like it did a lot of damage. I watched a lot of coverage on it just out of interest. So you're you're basically Orlando just to just to hit the pinpoint. You're in the same county as Orlando, right, so you're kind of it was in the Tampa area, right, that's where it really hits. So, yeah, it came up the west coast and into the they call it the Bend, you know, the panhandled there, so up Normally this will come up through the golf right like normally it'll go sometimes it'll go over the it'll go like go over the over Florida didn't get even stronger when it hits the golf Yeah, and then kind of go into Texas, Alabama wherever it may. But this time it came right up through there. I think that's kind of the rare current. So it's that bowls so worst Central Florida. Yeah, Orlando, that the Orange County areas, Central Florida. So we got the you know, the heavy bands, the heavy rain bands of the heavy winds, but they couldness you know, we're od cape. There's a lot of damage up in that bend North Florida and into Georgia. So adds off to all the men and women that are out there, you know, the energy people and everybody up there cleaning up just to be safe. I know. Ast scenario was telling me about his last he said, his last car. He said, well, I lost that in last year's hurricane. But I'm sure I didn't even think about that. The amount of vehicles and stuff, the insurance and all that has to come into play, and yeah, yeah, we are. My wife's car was totaled because all the water damage this time the last year's Okay, we went to actually even with to change the lights in the car and there was three inches of water through the whole body of the car and it rotted all the electric and everything. So we never even knew that. And at a total, they totaled the whole car. So it's the damage it's gonna happen from this is you know, it's gonna go on for months with the houses and the trees and the cars and stuff. So how's things going with the Foundation? This this week? Super super busy and geared up for you know, as school started, I think we touched on it last time the school starts, we get very busy, so we were doing the kind of crunching the numbers for everybody to kind of understand what we're doing. I don't know if we talked about it last time we traveled in the summer months from May to August, we talked about that, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, on the miles and we just figured out what we did from January to April before leading into the summer, and we did the same numbers. So it's been extraordinary. You know, we average like twenty thousand miles a year traveling and so it probably increases every year too, Right. The more you guys kind of branch out, and you know, it's a even the podcast inbox, I don't know if you've got my message, like we need a great message. We even get stuff now interested in speaking, not even with wrestling. So obviously the foundation is far reaching beyond, Yes, the work that you've done previously. It's a hold new chapter of your life. So and it kind of crosses over to everything that you're doing, Bill, Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to everybody who's reaching out to us on the on the podcast, email, Twitter and all buildamont dot com. Yeah, yeah, all the social media platforms, because it's great to see those like, to me, that's that's better than gold. When someone says, hey, I'm you know one. They're listening to what we're doing, which is great. So hopefully we're entertaining people. But then to your point, we're dropping a little bit of knowledge every week and and people are picking up on it, and that's to me, that's the best ways word of mouth. You can't you can't duplicate that. I think when we keep reaching people like that, it's amazing. So that was that was definitely a bright spot of the week. Receiving that message from me this week. Yeah, about five million dollars might be able to do that if we could just spend it on advertising. But that's like yeah, yeah, yeah, wouldn't We wouldn't be mad at that. We'll take half the start. Yeah, star anyway, Bill, Yeah, man, it's awesome. Keep up the great work with the foundation. A lot to talk about this week. We don't have a set topic like you and I talked about before. We will just give a heads up next week. Bill and I just committed to do in a dedicated dedication episode too. We'll let you. I'll let you share what we're gonna do next week. We're gonna do a deep dive. Well, yeah, we're gonna. I think we're getting very famous for our deep dives, and next week's gonna be a really special one. We're gonna talk about Bree Wyatt when the rotunda, and while a lot of people have touched on it and they will continue to to touch on it, We're gonna take a deep dive, maybe a little different perspective on things and and share some some stories and knowledge about Windham and the family. But I'm looking forward to that. I think it's I think I'll be ready for it by be if that makes sense to everyone. I think I'll be ready to have that conversation. Yeah, and I was thinking the same, Like, I mean, we'll obviously touch up on what happened, but in detail wise, we could definitely kind of spin and do our own thing on it. And you know what we apparently do, there's our deep dives. So and we'll do that to the life and career of him as far as what we know obviously. So I'm excited. Man, I think that'll be neat. Yeah, it'll be really cool. To do that. So obviously, Bill, you're the one that actually told me. I did not know until you told me. So this really happened right before the recording or the build upon experience, and you're the one that told me, Man, I did not know. I had just got home for the evening, you start eating dinner, and I was on social media at all, So you actually broke the news to me. Yeah, you know, I was sitting. I was I was probably a year at home, and my phone started blowing up. And usually, you know, wrestling rules apply to everything to me, so when your phone starts blowing up, it's it's one. Hopefully nobody's you know, family wise, everybody's okay, it's nothing deep emergency or it's just my guys all got on the seat text message at one time. But a lot of the message are you okay? Did you hear? And it's oh man, what you know? When you hear are you okay? That means something happened, we need to address it. And before I could answer that message, a king was coming all over the social media and everything else, and then the Triple H put it out. That was it that you know, the masses heard about it, and you and I had you know through text. We communicated and I just told you I I think I've had enough wrestling for And it wasn't even wrestling. I think it was just anything with the word wrestling in it. But that's uh, it's different, man, It's it's you know, losses. Loss is never easy. But when these these things happen, is not expect that things really really take a toll on I think as human beings, it takes a toll loss. So he didn't have to know win them to ride with him or anything else. He reached so many people and touched so many lives, but for those of us who are blessed enough to know him as a person, it was just a lot and that and I don't know what two days before or day before it was trying to talk about Terry fought. I was actually in the process of I'll just to give your heads up. Bill doesn't know what we're gonna talk about before we do, so as far as setting up next week's episode, that's actually a first built typically does not get any heads up. That's the way he liked that. But so I was actually writing, in the process of writing at Terry, we were going to talk about Terry Funk's career, which we already talked about before doing Unfortunately, it was kind of like his passing said, we will get to that for sure. It was just so so, but you know, and not to not to make lighter of that loss, but we we all knew that Terry was, you know, health wise, he was declining a little bit and he had some health issues. So no matter if you expect it or not, just the like the Funker man, he's he's alleged and he's one of those guys for me, like we weren't best buds that we were buddies, and I had the opportunity not only just to work with them and hang out with them, get to laugh with them and all those things and learn from him. So it was like, you know, he could be he could be two hundred years old and the time was passing. It's still a down, you know what I mean. So you kind of reflecting on that and in the wrestling world, I think in any world, but in the wrestling world, when you share so much time on the world with guys and girls, it's it's it takes its toll on you. So we get Terry who flopped a good fight long enough until it's time for him to go to the West Texas reunion. And then I mean two days later we get the news about Bray. Why So that's why I sent you that message. Go man, I think I'm that's hard for me to do because sometimes you know that, as they say, the show must go on, like like wrestling stops for nobody, and the world stops for nobody, right, everything continues. But for me, it was just that thing of hey, man, I I gotta take it time out. I gotta put myself and time out. And and so that's what they did. Ill Luckily, when podcasting, like we are kind of write your own rules. We're doing this for the listeners and and and just to have a good time. So that's the benefit of podcasting, man, you can we own it. We're managing it. We kind of it'll we report to the listeners and ourselves. So but that was the guilt, right, there's always to me and I know to you because you have your hand and you know you're iron in so many fires, especially in the podcast world, there's that built of and I feel really bad about this. However, you know, this situation calls for something different. So I think that adds on the the the guilt of missing a week is really strong. And and here's why. It's why it's the guilt. So so because I enjoy the l out of this. I think we're doing such an amazing I don't want to say job, because it's just we have fun. We dropped the knowledge, we've we've done some really good stuff. The feedbacks getting there, the following is getting there, and then too, I feel like if I short change someone, I really feel guilty about that. I'll hopefully I'll never get over that. But you know, as you know, like you, it's structure, right, and so you'd feel like I got to do it. But I appreciate the the the deep breath of last week of just being able to digest everything. I appreciate everybody understanding that and still firing off the questions on Twitter and everything. So that was awesome. Yep. And we'll go ahead and say, if we asked the question last episode, if anybody like to see on the podcast, start throwing some ideas out there, maybe we can stir up some trouble. I thought the handful that I got the most suggestions on were great. Yeah, there's some there's some good uh names on that list, and they're all what's they're all doable, they're all they're all buddies, and they're all open to doing that stuff. So we're gonna start reaching out to these cats and start having some familiar faces on here and then some some familiar voices going forward, I hope. So let's pivot a little bit from away from the sad end. Next week we'll be I'm sure it'll be a very happy thing. But yet you and I podcast together. We tend to get very emotional, so there will be emotional moments next week. I'm sure we could get emotional about anything, but I'm sure the next week will be one until that. And in meantime, though, let's talk about some things going on right now. So let's start off with somebody that was on that list. He has suggested quite a few times, tires in the news that came out, how apout. So it's so funny that you like, I swear, dude, I swear you you're white next door to me in the next house, What of my what of my trooper buddies? Who who's a big I don't want to say fan, but you know she's a she knows what I did, and you know my former life, and and I are very tight. She's very tight with the Foundation, Trooper barbed. She sent me a message and she asked Lacy today, do you know who Tigress is? And Lacy's laughing because Big big GE's been with me since the beginning. He came to Deep South, we trained and and he got that's where he got his start and cut his teeth. So he made the announcement of retirement. And while he did that on Fox this week, he had mentioned the name that should never be mentioned ever, and he said build them up. And it was in a thank you to a lot of the people in his careers, Dusty Rhodes and all these people. He said, build them up. So the people who watch Fox naturally want to go, how Zeno Bill? How does Zeno Bill? Because a lot of people don't know what I used to do or what is that crazy? The older is the longer will get away from things. Yeah. So it was great too. And he's always big G I call him big G Tyrus is always promoting the Demot family, the Foundation, that what we do. So I think it's awesome because I've watched his career is knew what he did before, and he said he didn't have to do you know, he's a bodyguard for Sew. He was set. He didn't have to do anything else but talk about and I think we've talked about this, talk about a super intelligent like if this corner guy meet something and youth. And here the best part is he plays the big, bulky, muscular, you know, hard looking guy to such a great link that people try to come out with these big words and try to lap him. And then he opens up his mouth and he's a he's a road scholar. He's he's just yeah, so freaking intelligent and smarted up on current events. And now he's torn into his one man shows and his book was a bestseller and everything he does he puts his heart into it. So I'm I and I told him this on social media. We go back and forth sometimes with this guy. I'm just excited for the next chapter to see what he does. Super super great guy. And he's what he said about it was time to get out the right time. And and you know, with with Windham passing and having a lot to do with that, I think it's you know, reflection, right, And I think that's the word I used with you last week was it's just just some time for reflection. So I'm super happy for Big G and his family. I always wish him nothing but the best, but I would love to have him on here one because he'll be here before we shared that episode not too long A yeah, he'll make you laugh. He's just he's just amazing. And whenever I have nothing to say, I just shoot him a text message with the hashtech domino because we played dominoes in my house. My wife cooked for all of them and we used to sit there and just played dominoes and not talk wrestling or anything, just enjoyed each other's companies. So super super big guy. Really happy for him. I know we'll add him on here again and all good things coming coming flung him and going in his direction. So talented and he's got he had a lot of work ahead of him too outside of wrestling. I mean, he could still be involved the wrestler if he wanted to. We'll see, But I mean he's just so multi talented, and I think to be able to cross over into something like that from wrestling is super special because you don't always see that. Yeah, and He's able to pull that off, man, which is incredible. Yeah, and I think a lot of people have to thank Jericho for that. Jericho became and and and before Chris, you gotta thank Mick Foley, right, So that whole bunch of guys there, they open a door for you to become an author, for you to to show your creative side, and they become part of TV and movies and all these other things that that they've gotten your hands. I make Mick Foley never had to do another physical thing. Yeah, you could just do booked your book towards dress of his life and his one man showers and Jericho speaks himself, so big g just following in those footsteps and doing great things. Last weekend my birth I'll talk about my brother a lot on here is my best friend. He is not a wrestling fan. Necessarily. I showed him behind the Matt that documentary because I was telling him how I kind of wanted to show a little bit of Terry Funk and al. He just was relentless, you know. And that's a pretty good documentary for that, as sad as it is. Actually, we did we did it. We watched that dude and it's just crazy. You just touched up on to so many people that are in it, right, mcfoley and all that, but it's it was so cool to show him that side of things, and because some people he's a big MMA guy, so and he's kind of got me a little bit converted to watching a lot more to that. And I saw you were watching that the other weekend. Actually yeah, But to show him that kind of stuff and see like the grind that it takes and these and some of these people that are willing to do that, it's incredible. And then afterwards, Nick Foley's books were amazing, like you said, Jericho's books were amazing. And I think Terry Funk has went out there, doesn't he. I'm gonna have to yeah, I think he does. Yeah, I'm got to get my hands on that bad boy man. Anyway, Behind the Mat showed that man. So have you watched Behind the Mat before? I've watched. I have seen it. It's it's been a bit, but I have. Oh yeah, yeah, I think you have to watch it. Yeah yeah, yeah, so I mean you have it. Just check it out. Shows you Terry Funk really just I think my the highlight and it's sad, but just shows you the reality of And I'm going to get to the point here Terry fuck talking to the doctor and to talk about his knees in this documentary, right and he's talking about his good he's talking about his good knee quote good knee. He said, you know you bone to bone whatever, and they got to his bad knee and he said, then I could be butchering it. But he said something like how much longer can I do? You think I can get by with it? He's like, you shouldn't be able to get by now, there's nothing there and just watching him get out of bed in the morning to do that. But some of these people manned if you had the possibility to walk away, and we're seeing that more and more in sports too. Yes, I think of the Indianapolis Colts. He had people like Pat McAfee Andrew Luck. That was such a surprising one, right, Like this guy's guys are thirty years old and they're walking away from it a certain point in time, money's not the thing anymore. And when you hit that point, is is it worth it? And some of these people can do so many other things, like Pat McAfee, like tyrrists It's just cool to see people are talented enough and actually take that leap of faith, because I think that's probably so many people are so more talented they give themselves credit for. But to take that leap of faith and have that confident in yourself maybe, which is a point I was getting too. It is incredible. Yeah, if you don't have the backing at home, it makes it even harder, right, because it's it's drilled into you, whether you're a football player, baseball player, basketball player, wrestler or whatever it is, Olympic ice skater, you know what I mean. It's just so you're gonna make all that money. I listened to one of the football players goes, I'm gonna make millions of dollars and it's all gonna be used on keeping me alive. There's there's other things in life that are more important. I think when you start to realize how important we all are, yeah, there's something, there's a bigger picture. And if it takes something like tah right last year was to it with the concussions and in Damar Hamlin with the hard thing, Yeah, people start to realize like I don't want to be that and I don't want to put my family through that. And I think so as we get to Tyris and things like that, like realize, like what a what a trip, It's been successful, and now let's take let's let's continue. Because if you get into wrestled, more people make the NFL than they'll ever become professional wrestler. That's a given. Like if they do the stats, you get a betagens to becoming an NFL football player, thet becoming a ww superstar. So they actually baseball, they have like a hundred round of their draft. So it's it's it's one of those things that just take that bet on yourself again and shoot for longevity and family. Tyler. Listen to Tyris say, how now he's telling his kids because his kids had a vote, right. I watched the whole episode. His kids voted, and just the fact they know that Daddy's gonna be home on weekends more, it's worth the price of anything. So you're right. We see a lot more in sports. I think that the younger athletes are smartening up too, weighing out the actions and reactions of what they're doing. So I think if if you're and that's it. And also as an athlete. If you start to get scared or nervous about something like that, that's what it's going to happen too. So you have to take that into into account. But to your point, a lot of younger cats are learning from the older guys now think goodness, and yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't that smart. I didn't let But you did have a good pot and you did have a good opportunity ahead of you though where you transitioned to the next phase of your professional wrestling. I was. I was. I was very fortunate that way because you know, just the fact that paying attention and seeing what else was there in the in the in the business, right, some some guys come in to completely just wrestle, But I was always around guys and people that guided me to pay attention, learn how it works, learn why this is this, and you know that just that I always say, sitting under learning trees of different people. So I was very fortunate in that aspect. And I always say Tadz was the leader in that because to me, Taz was the most and probably is the most successful from in ring to on air personality to do that, and so t Tads was a huge help to me early on as I became a commentator and work behind the desks. So when when that happened, I tried to take full advantage of it. But yeah, it's just it's just a different time and age, and I'm I'm very thankful that the young guys are paying attention to what they feel is necessary as I mess with my lights here. Yeah, so would you say, really would you credit tough enough? Really like a lot for that? How much did you really credit tough enough? Because people that don't know it'd probably say, oh, you probably got that break cut tough enough. No, I had. I was doing tough enough while I was still an in ring comp editor. He came that, Yeah you had that. Tough enough was both a blessing and a curse because once people saw me tough enough, that's all they knew me. As that's the afterwards you had to build them on. Yeah, you had to be that guy, right and so whenever, and that's the golden rule. When the red lights on, you're that guy. When you're media, you're that guy. When you're doing this, you're that guy. And you didn't break or stray from character or things like that. So perception is reality. In the sports entertainment, and so that's what I would say. I was really good at what I did because people were like, oh crap. But I think I still remember that Finaki match when you came back. God Lee, I still thanked him every six months and try to und and Flowers now he does talk to me. I love I love Scholfanaki so much. Yeah, but yeah, it was it was I think tough Enough had a lot to do with that, but I think it was, yeah, people seeing what could actually come out of it, So the trading and all that, and then just being fortunate enough to be a commentator and then a producer and agent and things like that. So wild Bill, we always go down of rabbit holes. That's why We's why we do this. Here's my favorite Terry Funk story. All right, South Padre Island. I think we might be the only people that ever been escorted to leave South Padre aland wc W did this. Was it the spring break thing or something there? They? Yeah, yeah, we actually got a police escort to get out of town. That's how wild we made South Padre Island. But so we were I forget who the match was. I know, dusted and Terry Funk had something going on. But anyway, I did a run in and I got Terry Funk on the outside of the ring. And so where the South Padre island, So the outside of the ring is sand. Why power bomb Terry Folk in the sand and all he hears and that was the air coming out of him. And we go about our business. And I wasn't by no means you're not trying to you know, trying to get him. But I just stuck him with a good one. And it was the sand. For people. Ball the sand. It's better than the ring. Hell, no, give me the ring over say it an he did, because the sands swallowed him. Well, anyway, comes in the back, lady, Jesus Christ. I thought the Harris brothers were stiff. Hepe here Morris the hell away for Jesus Christ. And that's all he said for the rest of it. For the rest of the week. We didn't even worked together the rest of the week. So Terry Fuck. I wore it as a bad honor where you get Terry fucks said, please don't ever hit me again, and he would, he would rip you about it all the time. Because we did the hardcore matches and stuff, and he'd come near me and he'd turned around and go all my daddy said, and he'd walked the other way. Yeah, we will have an episode. But yet he is so great. And I was listening to this other podcast and people my age younger they were talking about Chainsaw Charlie and all that, and it's like, man, god, there was he got like thirty twenty thirty years before that. Yeah, this guy was just doing amazing stuff. And that was really that whole stretch of ten years Japan through there just different Terry Funk. Yeah, ECW probably you were an ECW. He probably one of the single handed persons to save that company from financial disaster before it made it mainstream. Yeah yeah, and you'll hear guys like, uh, Tommy Dreamer say that, like Terry Funk before was ec before it was what we know is ECW was ECW still, but it wasn't extreme, you know, it was Eastern Championship Brestling. Bringing him in really helped them but on the map, and he did a lot for that company. But we'll do a deepy of an ECW one day too. But yeah, I just to me, I worried the people don't like I My favorite promo from Terry Funk is I don't want to but don't want a Butcher of the Year. But anyway, he has this rival with Rick Flair, and he has this promo about this dream that he had. He starts out this promo talking about how him and his dad were sitting on the porch at the ranch and it took him right back to that day and the big old limousine drove up with a dent in it, and a beautiful lady got out of it. And the whole gist of the story was she hit Rick Flair right, and she's thought she hit some animal, like some she didn't know what to look like. It was big, ugly, and and he just said, that's not an animal, or that's a not a jackass, that's Rick Flair. It's just a great, great promo stuff that you wouldn't know that if you just watched the Chainsaw Charlie stuff, you might not know how great Terry Funk was. Right, we were at the age of YouTube and all that stuff now, and you know, you could just go on there and pull up Terry Funk matches. I have to pull up a match because I heard some of the guys talking about and I haven't seen it and it's Dory Funk Junior and Jack Briscoe. It was sixteen minutes. And but then talking about you know, for people who don't know, they see Terry Funk and for the real hipsters, Oh, Terry Fulk was in the Rhodhouse. See Terry Funk when he was a complete baby face, clean shaven, big burly son of a gun. And yeah, go, I mean the Funks were legendary before the you know, before they became mainstream. So yeah, I encourage everyone who thinks they know about Terry Funk to get out on that YouTube managing. You can see anything and everything he's ever done, and some of his younger stuff is so impressive. And just to see the evolution of what he's done and what was the attack team champion in WWF at the age of what fifty something? Him and him and Mick Foley, that's when he came out of Yeah, he cut himself out of that box. I mean, fifty something years old, you're still reinventing yourself and getting the run and doing the things that you did. So I mean, we could talk about the Funkster forever. I compare having Chris Jericho a lot. And I'll tell you why. The ability to transcend generation generation atter generation and adapt with what you're doing. And it's the way Terry Funk walked. It's the way he did everything. He continued to adapt not only to what he was actually physically capable of or not physically capable of, but he also adapted with what the surroundings were around. He got to give him credit for that because a lot of people can't. They That's why he kind of see the fade out. So that's why I compare him to go like Chris Jerick. Yeah, because you say he has no business doing what he was doing, and then you think, well, why would you even do that? You don't have to do that. It's not he had to, it's the fact that people didn't think he could and he just went out there and did it like he was like the most unselfish cat. To me, Terry Terry Funk stands amongst the greats of all time. He didn't have to be the person he was. We we'd go into his hometown on a live event and it should have been all about him, and he made it about everybody else. Wo wo Woking welcome maiden us into his own So he was just that kind of amazing guy. But that's just that's the things that were missing, you know, that's the that's the leadership, that's the you know, lead by example that we're missing, I think in this generation. But super hand you do. And he did everything he did was for a reason. Yeah, yeah, And I think it will get into that with the next topic. And it's not a direct bash, but everything he did was for a reason, right, And at some point it definitely was not all about the money because he was not afraid to take his ball and go home either. Yeah uh if he if he wanted to, Yeah, definitely a team player. But if it wasn't all about the money, he wasn't going to set around and be, you know, miserable by any means. So, well, man, we'll get a Terry Funck deep long form one day. What's the transition here to the big pay per view A w all in? For months you and I Bill talked about and try to project the attendance. I think we started out at like forty. You said it's probably gonna get to sixty. You wouldn't be surprised comes out now that it is the most You're froze up again. I hope you're there. Yeah, I'm here. I'm here. Okay, now you're just you're just doing a really good job. Statue A me. Man. I was listening. I'm like, okay, yeah, you're like you can't see me watching it. But Bill like completely still, it was like he was frozen three Anyway, Bill, they come out with and the news is now that it's the most live at most paid people ever attending a rest professional wrestling event. Hell of an accomplishment. Eighty So what they've come out and said is eighty eighty one over eighty one thousand paid, Yes, sir, which means it had eighty five thousand people there, but eighty one thousand people paid, and that's huge. Here's the here's and I'm sure I'm going to jump the gun because I always do when you when you start these conversations. But no one, No one gives it. They have about to any one about like all of it's lost, and it's lost for one reason. Everything about the pay per view is lost. We haven't taught. We don't need to talk about one match, we don't need to talk about one person. We don't need to talk about the build up with Adam, Coleen and JF. We don't need to talk about always does. All all that anybody wants to talk about now is the same crap that they were talking about last September. So what a shame that you have eighty one thousand plus eight people in this freaking stadium. That's unbelievable with very little build up too. I'll cut you off with that. Yeah, stories weren't exactly built up. Amazing, right, I think, and JF being good the rest of them kind of like, and you know, and what's the story that comes out? It's it's the most absurd thing. And that's what makes me sour about a lot of this stuff. And that's and this is why I say I'm not the biggest a e W fan, And it's because of these reasons, like why am I going to get behind this? Daves? It almost seems like David and I know this happens in all wrestling, but they really want stuff to leak. It's at the point you have to question and I guess I'm not directly questioning Tony come, but I guess I am. And I would ask him why is he allowing this? Because it's painting them all the bad light. And I don't know, you know, if ratings come into play anymore with Hulu and all that, you can record it and watch it back if the ratings are really important. But how much longer are these major television companies and all these all these sponsors, every kind of keep dealing with this stuff before they go, you know what, this is Bush League and we get a roller derbyon and it'd be more enterveining and less uh chaotic, because it's it would work if it led to more viewers. Yeah, yeah, I think instead of it being if this is the kind of work they're trying to do, I think they're losing their audience. And that was proven the other night when they showed the the arena they were in. Where were they in Chicago last night? Oh, I know you're talking about. Yeah, a very small crowd. It couldn't have been more than it could have been five thousand people there even for sure, And like in a perfect world, five thousand people's are great, a great night. It's a great you know event. But let's go back there. Let's go back, let me cut you off, let's go back. This does prove that there is a huge demand of this in the UK. Yeah, all of Europe, you could and they did it without announcing a match. Yeah, so a lot of people going, oh because they own a football company over there and they own a team. I don't care what the reason is. They got eighty one thousand plus people to pay to come and see an event that they weren't really sure who was gonna be there, what was gonna happen it Mercedes Mona, he didn't sell the place out. She was an afterthought. All these other things were afterthoughts. And instead of praising them and going unbelievable, let's see what else you can do where we went back twelve months, we moved backwards, and as as a as a fan and as a I don't know if I'm an analyst of wrestling or whatever, I am a former contributor to the business. It after a while, you got I got no time for this. Let me know when something good's gonna happen that's worth that's worth my attention and my time and me getting worked up about like I'm literally getting worked up. Then literally twelve months later, they're back in the same spot they were after doing such an amazing thing. It was. I actually watched the pay per view afterwards. I'm not going to tell you how, but I did enjoy it. For the most part. I thought it was some good stuff. It was a successful event, man. All on all, I thought there was some stadium match. For me, it was kind of I don't know if you watched it, but there were some stuff going on to some of those matches where I had no clue what was going on. The stadium match with John Moxley and the huge extravagant event that went everywhere. There's a million different things going on as hartecute track of. But all in all though, I mean, and it wasn't terrible, but all in all, it was a good show man, And you're right. I think this was something they could have come out of really hot. They come out of it now. And we'll just we'll briefly touch on what happened. Everybody listening probably knows. If you don't Jack Perry, spunk confrontation, get physical. Let me ask you this, Bill, Okay, So we're we talk about my work that I do every day. Right, you're automatically fired if you do that, Yeah, you'll be here, just fired right then, especially if you're an executive or something, you would I ever see the light of day. How common is this? This physicality and wrestling that's then just get an altercation, actually get physical? How many times have you seen that? And I don't want to say like as small and I want to talk about and easy w maybe w C w WW. I've seen I've seen it, but I've never seen it. And now but now you're talking about two different generations a little bit. Though before there was social media and stuff. Uh yeah, you still couldn't beat the shit out of somebody at a corporate job ten years ago, right, but you'd only have to be a stooge who went and told right. And this is where this is where I'll getting in trouble. If it's the boys handling this and you want to fight, let's be men and fight and then let's move on. I've always said there's better fights in the back than there are in front of people. But the point is there's people waiting now for this shoe to drop every night so they can be the ones to give it up. And that's I mean, that's what's paid explain what explain that analogy? There's people who are waiting going oh oh, this is Gonnap's gonna have. Let me bet on my phone, let me do this, let me go, let me make sure it happens. Let me make sure there's other people around it can see it. So I'm not the one being finger pointed that I'm the one who let it leak. Daring the sampug match that had happened, that's all fast it got out, that's what And I don't know if it's the brain child of Hey, let's give them more to talk about, but it takes you completely out of what's happening physically, and from what I've read, I guess Samoa Joe had to convince Punk to go out because Pump was gonna hold everybody up. Now again, this is all just hearsay. I don't know it for myself. I'm going off of what everybody else is going off. But now they say they have tape of the altercation. So you got these guys fighting. Okay, let's blame the young kid who has no freaking respect for anybody, or let's blame the veteran. He's in the same spot he was in a year ago and around controversy. Tartar decree to what Eric Bischoff says, right, controversy makes cash or whatever the heck it is. This ain't making cash. This is losing an audience, and this is this has got to start frustrating people. It's it's frustrating because it's not gonna go anywhere. The young Bucks aren't gonna work with Sampunk, No, Nadi Kaega, I don't think so. The lead's not gonna work with Sampunk. Jack Perry's really not in a position to work with Sampunk honestly. But even so, now it's not gonna happen, So it's really just backstage drama that and I guess in WWEC where they've kind of used that before any other wrestling, but it just that it's not gonna happen. So it's literally just but in but in w c W and e c W, they we were smart enough to at least turn it into a storyline where people can work around it and make something out of it. Here, you just look like a bunch of schmucks who can't control themselves and throwing shots like Jack Berry. Okay, did he need to go on camera and say what he said about the glass and all this other stuff? Like you ever made your bulls in this business to do that. But how long has punk been in the business to where those little things shouldn't get under his skin? And uh, you know, and then we hear always travel with this, But nobody else said job. All these things we're hearing were what was wrong with the company, what's wrong with the locker room? What's wrong with the this? And so what if you get a couple of guys and girls afterwards to go, no, we all feel great. We're one big, happy family. What a bunch of crap? People who are watching now, I think the watching to watch stuff fall apart. I don't think they're no longer interested in the you know, sixty five minute I spots. I think they're watching to see what kind of drama BS crap can I see next? And after a while it's a talent. You've got to want to get away from that. You've got to want to get away from that. And where's the leadership? Where's the undertaker kind of guy? Where's the where are these guys? You know everybody says Brad shows up, bully and all these other things that's certain people have been played about, But where's the leadership? Where's instead of having Tony having his six favorite people in the whole world, and that's what they bases his company off of. And who gets over and who doesn't. Where's the leadership that this stuff isn't happening. There's no one. The boys aren't policing themselves because there are no boys. There's guys who think they're veterans, and they if you're a veteran because you've been doing this a long time, then that makes you're veteran. Yes, they have a lot of veterans. But you think Christian Cage is gonna get involved in this knowing that that you know, ridiculous elementary school crap is going on now, he's gonna stay away for it, and the people that are swarted going to listen to him and stay out of it too. But if he's got the same castic characters all the time that are half we're going to a running helping you run your company, and the other half are making money off of what you're doing in the company, and you can't control them, then shoot a later. All the fingers got to go to Tony gonna because all the experience and knowledge he has back there, they're not doing anything. And if I'm if I'm worked up and upset like this, they really have to be warped up and upset, because how much longer do you want to now? If you know what it is, now, let me get my check and shut up and do whatever I gotta do. But there's no to me, there's no interests as a fan when the biggest outcome up, the biggest show. And I don't care how many guys came out last night and said that the biggest show. I'm wrestling Internet. It's all. It's all under the bridge because all they're talking about is the kids can't play together in the sandbox. That's what they're talking about. They're poking the bear, and the bears cranky and angry, and at this point of seeing Pod has no control, it doesn't seem like he has a whole lot of control over what's going on. So I mean, it's it's rough, and I'm a meguess seeing punk fitting that I must woar my shirt hight just to see what you think. I'm a fan of Phil, but I'm just not a fan of what's going on, and I'm not a fan of here. Now you read and here, depending on who you listen to what podcasts like Tony Common and Punk got into it. When does Tony stop worrying about making these huge announcements of being a TV personality and start running the company that could be very beneficial, not only just to him, but to these athletes and people he has working for him, because right now it's just a bunch of goofs working hard just to be sidelined by The headlines are nothing about the talent. It has nothing to do with talent, these headlines. Yeah, eventually you gotta get to polite when you do nip this stuff in the button. Yeah. And I think the collision was a great thought, and they've actually had some great matches, but it kind of just isolated the and I don't want to isolate. It's not a good word. It kind of just delayed thanks from blowing up again. I guess. Yeah, it's separated because it was never I don't know, we don't know what's going on, but it doesn't appear as if anything was ever really fixed. No, it was that all they were all pacified. Let me create this show, so you guys can go over here and we'll separate. But now you see the crossovers, some are coming over and some of the you know, because it's it's the wrestling business. You cannot just decide you're gonna put this show on here and this show on there, and let's keep let's keep the animals in separate cages. Either there's got to be a Kumbaya moment and let's make money or move on. They have so many people that I don't understand why it's the same people every week to begin with. But if it's the same people in these in these childish, ridiculous conversations that have ruined the biggest event in wrestling, it's to me, it's just it's it puts a bad taste in your mouth. And then we wonder why we've come so far as as wrestlers, pro wrestlers and sports entertainment for people. But listen, the top news was bray Wyatt, the impact he's had on so many people and fans and what he's done. And we're gonna get to know bray Wyatt. And then what replaces it? Sturnish video? We have video, there's a fight here, there's a fight here, this one's fighting with this one. Nothing about the matches, nothing about all these other things. Right, So then to me. It's just it opens the door for guys like me to really start to question what is this all about? It is this just a hobby and whatever happens happened. And I know I'm getting Really I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just voicing my frustration with a product I really am been struggling to stay with consistently, and as as an as an old guy at old timer, I don't want to be around that nonsense, and I don't know how many people would. And then the trickle down effective is affecting all these other guys. You know you wanted to do well because it's important for wrestling, for a W to do well, But it's un right. I mean, is it not important? Is it not beneficial aw being around and doing well? Is that not beneficial to wrestling? Competition breeds competition and makes success. And if you you're working competing against someone and something, you're working hard or you're trying and everybody's rising to the engagement. And I think a W is a great a great program in theory, but watching what it's doing, like ec W was getting not for years because all they do is hardcore stuff and this and that. But aw's getting not because they're just a bunch of kids who can't control themselves. You've got a bunch of growing bed and women who can't control themselves. They're they're literally tattling on each other on social media. They're literally burying each other. And then they want to know why there's no competition. They want to know why they're I just don't understand the concept of who is running the asylum here or is that the blue creak. Hey, let's just give everybody a place to come and feel free and creative, and nobody can answer to anybody, and let's just see how long we can run with this. At the end of the day, Tony Carr could shut the doors tomorrow and he's gonna be fine. All these other men and women are screwed. They're screwed because nobody's doing it. There's there's three or four that maybe doing something where they can go make a move and jump ship. The rest of them are screwed. Yeah, there might even be more in that, but the point is there's some that could probably never Some of them are doing it because they really enjoy it, I think, Yeah, but yeah, you're right if the majority of them, Yeah, it's it's it's a bad scenario. I think back to me, it's just it's crazy how fast this all came out. So it literally had to happen, and instead of focusing on everything else going on that night, I'm going to pivot. I'm going to leak this information to Brian Alvarez, Dave Meltzer and company. I'm going to leak us online like it happened so fat, it got out so fast, and that's remarkable to me. It immediately started taking away from the pay per view. During the pay per view. Yeah, that's disappointing. I see what you're saying, and you almost so. They announced that they're going to be back there next year, so you almost want to go, well, who cares? The people like the live experience, that's that's a get eighty one thousand plus love the live experience, But what about the other people? What about the people the back? What about the all the people who put the time and effort to getting there? What about the sponsors? What about the This is what all my hard work was so we could talk about a slap plight, So we could talk about these things, and people are that, Hey, did anybody talk about hook beating Jack Perry. Now, did anybody really care that Punk beat Samoa Joe. No, nobody cared about FTR beating the Bucks so much so that they decide to pair them up for the next paper view. That's how much none of this mattered. We'll talk about a few more things here before we get off this one. I think it'll be bad. I think it'll be really bad. They go to Chicago for the next one without Sam Punk, and I do think I was surprised that FTR came out with the win over the Young Bucks, and I was happy. But where's the where's the follow up to that? Jef? Where the follow up was? Instantly the next time we saw them, Hey, just respect, Okay, let's bring in the gun Club and let's go four and four. Okay, let's do it. Yeah, like, okay, the storytelling's all other thing. Yeah, I mean I get that. So I'm just I'm just not invested in it. Don't get me wrong, I'm I'm an FTR fan, but I'm not invested in what they're doing. I know what they can do. I want to see that. I don't want to see this other stuff. Right, it's and they did all of this without naming a match, and we talked about this before. Then they started putting these matches together, so there's some interest, but it's all lost on what took place that night. And this is just my opinion. Everything that happened that night in Wimbley was lost by the fact that the biggest outcome of it was Trump Dot Punk didn't like his travel punk head words of Perry, punk head words con Perry was sent tomy, he was walked out, Punk was escorted out. Pump chose debt, choked out Perry. Now heat Now the big thing is, oh no, what if Pump doesn't show up in Chicago. Well, Punk wasn't there for the first two years or so when they were in business and they were doing fine. But now let's just been a part of the biggest gates and yeah, and don't get up when his business. How much longer does does the business have to suffer for the money? How much longer are you gonna get the people to buy into this stuff? And then who, no matter who puts you in that position at Pump's Dot in Chicago, there's gonna beke people asking for their money back. Okay, now they're dealing with that now, well, we can't have that. We gotta bring punk back. But seventeen other people be unhappy if pumps there because it's got to go a certain wins. Well, the we gotta make another show, and we gotta do this, we gotta do that. We gott But how about someone just stand up, put the gavel down on the table and go by the way, this is a company. Here's how we're gonna run it. Like everything else. You have X amount of strikes and then you gotta go to your point of corporate thing never happened. You're gone. You're gone now. You could be cleared. You could be gone quietly with a year of severance. So you keep your mouth shut its side in agreement, or you can do whatever. But these guys are blatantly to your point. Before the show was even going on, you knew what was happening. So there's there's inmates running this asylum and they've got to get they've got to get control of it. Let's pivot. What does this do for daw This the success that we saw in London? Two questions? Here does Evince McMahon and Triple H and company? Are they thinking they need to beat that? And The second part of it is does this open up more avenues for more major events overseas? I think it opens up more abnation. I think WWE excuse me with they have India coming up, and you know, so they were to prove an indo worldwide in places they haven't been before, and they have been Joe and I mean Money in the Bank was two arena. Yeah. But what I mean as far as let's just say like a WrestleMania, a Summer Slam everywhere, rumble cereversary, something, do you think this is more proof that that's something they should be done and you know why it should be done, and it will be done, and it will be done better. Let's say they don't get eighty one. Let's say they get seventy two thousand people. It's gonna be a positive experience. They're gonna have more at the gate what they have. What I haven't seen is the gate information with this that will be I don't know how that will compare to WrestleMania, So probably not. I think at that show in WrestleMania, you're not you're not getting sound bites and people on social media talking about the shows and all this thing and you're not talking about all these people, but you're not having seth rollins and aj styles on the fist fight before the match. It just doesn't happen. And to be that's the issue with giving people so much freedom to be be who you are, have fun and enjoy that stuff. Fun that stuff business. But that's your to your question. I think it opens the doors and for and I think that's what WWE needs see and go wait a minute, if they did that with what they had, imagine what we could do the way we do things. So I think it opens the doors for bigger things like that. The answer is yes, pay per view wise and all those things. I just think you say shivin, it needs also very specific about the market and where they go into they're looking at. It's kind of like the super Bowl. Do you have enough? Hotels? Do you have enough? I think the business intido to be is probably a little bit more detailed on that. Can you accommodate this? Because that's the one thing about London that you hear. Can they accommodate all the incoming people? And obviously they did. Obviously a lot of it was local and that shows there's a craving but WrestleMania. Everybody's there from every country, I'm sure all out those two. But how do you accommodate that? They basically bid? They bid, and there's deep discussions when these things are decided for these major b pay per views. But I think, yeah, for sure, I'd like to see something bigger there. But do you think answering get on the spot here? You've been around these individuals. Is it important for that to beat that record? Is that something they're actively discussing the first meeting after all that all these numbers came out. I think they do. They already have it beat or close to have it beat for WrestleMania already it's close. But they're saying that was the most paid customers ever to go to the wrestling matches, right, So do you think this sell if that's important? I don't think it is, because the Gate's not comparable. I'm gonna send the gate that's so that's my point. I think is not comparable at all. Did you sell eighty one thousand plus tickets at fifty dollars a piece or you're selling thousand, seventy thousand dollars tickets at three fifty. You can't go to wrestle Manning for fifty dollars, let's say, right, so, and I'm not saying they sold them cheap. I'm just saying it's apples in oranges. I think the gate WW has a is a business structure that is fail safe. I think the number would be cool if they could beat it. But what what was WW already talking about. They're already going there, right, they're already booking, uh the UK and all that stuff, and they're already talking about restlemes not till April and both knights up over how many seventy thousand something? You know, So I don't think that's one of the records they're they're now. If it was, you don't think Fence mcmahn said, damn it, pal we gotta beat any one thousand paid paid dustiner. No, because I think the numbers are what matters. I think, to your point, the gate, let's see what the gate is, let's see what you know, and then you go into the buy rates and all that stuff. But the biggest thing is they're gonna beat it every time because they're not gonna have this nonsense. They're gonna have great feedback and they're gonna be in the same town at WrestleMania the next night to give the people a double shot because their ticket gives them more. They went to Wimbley and then they came back to Chicago, and now they're doing a pay per view this week and one does not follow the other. So it's it's just random stuff going on right now. It's this guy putting a guy putting together a wrestle show. But WWE has had stuff like this happen. But it gives me a second here to explain it. Yeah, they have that stuff like this happened on a pretty bad scale. Vince McMahon and Brett Hart because they have alastercation, so many different physical educations. But I thinks put that in the past, and really the business model and everything they developed since then is why they are world class publicly traded company. I'm not sure they could operate the way they were in the nineties eighties and do what they're doing today. So for a w it's a lot of growing pains, but they can still get past this. And and but hey, you said it, you said it earlier. It's different times. There's a good chance that when Vince McMahon and all this happened. If that happened day, there would have been a lot more we'd hear heard about it with Brett Hart and all that. Yeah, but a W still has the chance. They just have to kind of they have to tighten the strings. Dost tighten the strings. The Chris ben Waugh thing tragedy happened, what AW do tied in the strings. So I think that AW is more than capable of doing that. They just have to get I don't know what team they have, what structure they haven't. They got a board of director. Wv's got a whole system, and they've really tightened that down and tightened up their business model. And I bring that up because we can't just say to to b's perfect right, because they've seen no, absolutely we've seen crazy stuff happened. WCWS owned by very rich people. It had stuff happen you Bashet the beach. Everybody's talked about that recently. It could be a crap show in WC But it's the business model that district Man of that company's created and that's something that Tony Cohn and AW. I'm not saying copy it because they've got to do their own thing, but how they handle. The company will have to change for exponential growth, I would imagine. But at the very least, who did bigs have to model it? After nothing? It was trial by error. Aw's got all this in front of them to use the history of this business. The worst part for me is they've got the knowledge of men that have been involved in it, and where's the sit down, where's the where's the brain trust that's going to come out? Tonty do it this way? And let's take Bret Hart. Bret Hart was gown for how many years before he came back? Sean Michael up into a point and for how many years before he came back? All these people gone for how long before they came back to do business. There's a there's been a business model put in front of ADW that they could follow all the good and bad from WCW and WWE. And they have the people in play in the back that have lived through it, learned from it, survived it, and I've been on the other side of it, and they're not using it. Why would you try to test the waters again to be the B team? You have a legitimate chance and are doing great at being competition, but now it's a different kind of competition. Now it's like, let me go see what they're doing. I'm not I'm not and I'm speaking for me. I'm not interested in one storyline and the one I'm interested in we didn't hear anything about and J it's done an amazing job. We haven't heard anything about it. Yeah, well done. For sure. They did a great job. Yeah, but that's not just being talked about. Look, I will wrap this up, but what do you think I was a big fan of TNA after twenty ten, thousand and six twenty twelve time period. What do you think they would have been capable of they had the resources the a W as I think they I think they'd still be running strong. I think they'd be the the the w c W to the w w E. If not even I think there was a ton of potential and like a lot of things, when you start bringing in more people and more creative and this guy has this stuff and you see what happens. It implodes, right, But well, they didn't have much money. They didn't have much of money either. Let's be honest. If person in charge was not as knowledgeable as she would have liked, the thought she was so which is okay. I think it's okay if you've learned, Yeah, Tony, But they wouldn't have had the money they w has. Oh, they'd still be around. They'd still be around. But I'd much rather chase the impact product and try to find it or whatever channel I have to find that now on instead of because I literally cannot watch a e W for three weeks, turn it on the fourth week and I haven't missed, to say it, And that's a shame, because there's so much talent, there's so much stuff, and you see guys there are struggling to make things good. I feel like I see it on their faces when they're out there, and then you see the ones that are just wow, look I got my hands in the cookie jar. But this, this backstage stuff makes everybody look foolish and it opens up the press to everybody start bagging on wrestling again, and it's it's you know, it's it's hard, man, It's hard to swim up stream that way. I'm frustrated for them, like I know it's coming, like this is by no means an a W eight grant. I have a lot of friends that work there. I have a lot of people that. I'm very interested in seeing what their futures are. And there's a lot of great talent and great people there, but it's all put under the rug by the nonsense. We all know there's nonsense. There's fight se NFL, there's guys doing this in baseball. We see it on the field. They charge the field, they clean the duggots and all. But you go on with the game. What's next? You know what is aw do next? That's what's gonna be. So all the drama aside. You just had this gray moment in professional wrestling history, historic moment. What do you do next to better yourself? And I think that's what's going to come out of this, all the drama aside. We'll have to see what happens next with your company. And just to close this part of the conversation off, I've seen a lot of people kind of hate not to be like it's not really comparable. I think WW is a financial powerhouse at this point in time, and a lot of things go into play. Hell and watch that pay per views, everything is sponsored. Like we've talked about every replay, they have got everything down to a t. You with this, I think it all comes down to financials, they're not necessarily how many people are there? Yeah, So I don't have much more to say on that topic besides that, but aw, they're a lot to see what happens next. You're gonna have to see if they can get past this and how they're gonna get They're gonna get past it, but how are they going to handle it? Yea, and what's next? Because they didn't exactly go and sell out Marcus squer Arena the next night right after and so just like a little side note because I agree, you know, I don't want to harp on it too much, but I think this pay per view coming up, I hope for them it's just a good, clean pay per view where the work is good. You know, everybody's doing their thing. But how are you going to convince a Mercedes Modate to come into that company? How are you going to convince these other people money? Yeah, but you know, money only if you're and I goes. I know, like I said, you know, you can make your money and the independence and making appearances in Japan everything else. Why would a Will Osfrey sign and put his name on the bottom line, like, well, you know, what are these guys thinking they've got to be thinking, Wait a minute, I'm there's less fun than I'm making the same money, you know, And I think, yeah, they still bring in the other names on a W two, which we've talked about before. They got to continue to develop their people. Yes, there's yes, they've got to. Really we're the hell is Wardlow help? Yeah? Yeah, I mean we know we got I mean exactly, Yeah, I'm not trying to throw the really try to think more le fanto, you man, I don't know if there's a couple of people right, whether it is kind of they just kind of sporadically show up and go off and they got a really you have Ring of Honor? What are you gonna do with it? What are you gonna do with it? Is right? Because I'm I don't care. Like to be honest, I didn't care about the Ring of Honor Tag Team Champions because I knew nothing about them, so I just didn't. And so you're telling me that m jf and and Adam Cole are going to be going to our week shows and defending them, I don't understand. So I think it's it's definitely right now, It's ten pounds of crap in a five pound back. So do you think, and this is what a segue to this discussion. You're a developmental guy. You were part of an XT opening up and we talked about that in detail before and we will more one day. Do they need a do they need a better feed or syst Yes, yes, that's a problem with youth sports today, Like football isn't a lot of trouble because statistically show and it just does not get near the participation at a youth level that it used to, which is probably ultimately going to catch up with it. I'm not saying the NFL is going to die, but it makes things a lot more challenging when you don't have what the NBA has done. They've gone really global, so their pool of attention and players is from all over the world. NBA before you just have maybe a few foreign guys. What they've tapped into is this whole foreign feeder system and they developed a they call it the G League where it's an alternative and they're trying to really get away from you have to go to colleges and for everybody right, they're trying to build up a system and people are actually more and more people are doing it and this year's draft, a crap ton of the top ten picks were from the G League. So these were kids that said, Hey, college isn't right for me. I'm gonna make a little bit of money right now in an environment that is setting me up directly for the NBA. Let me tag it into professional wrestling year like NXT is for WWE. Do you think a w eventually as they get for and we talked about how they advanced as a company, do you think this developmental system will have to really develop there because ww's really balanced all over the place, w deep South, and what they have now is they're really developing them in house. Because even ov W back in the day with Jim Cornett and all that, that's still a lot of Jim Cornett's take on things. Jim Cornett's way. I love it. It may not be the best of it, w E way according to the Fenswick Man, I don't know, but right now, man, they're they're literally building these future stars up exactly, and you were a part of it. You can speak to this exactly with the program the way WW is Is this that important to AW eventually? That was a long winded segue I'm sorry. No, it's great because it comes down. I think it's very simple. There's no reason the Nightmare Factory in Atlanta couldn't be built up to be a studio and b the r O each show. This is where you're Anna, Jay's come in. This is where all these other people that need reps instead of just putting them on TV and it being less than adequate. And it's not the performers. There's no reps there. Jake. Imagine how much better Jake Cardgill would be if she had a place every week you were there. There's no reason why the Nightmare Factory couldn't become the NXD for aw There's no reason they could invest a couple hundred thousand dollars for cameras and seats and everything else like we did in Deep Stuff. We put the bleachers into the cameras and we ran a show. But they need reps, they need a place to This is what we want you to do. This is the way you take those great minds behind the scene and you put four of them down in Atlanta with them, and this is what we're working. Here's the product. Here's where we are. Okay, looking good, looking good, looking good, Boom, I'll rear ripley, I'll allow all these other people right. I think there's an opportunity there, but I don't know if they're necessarily looking at it like a business right now instead of a just a big place for guys to play. They were really good at what they did elsewhere, and to me, are now less than where they're at they And I know that didn't answer your question, but I agree with you. I think there should be a developmental system, but it can't be on TV every week. That could be your developmental system. The way they're doing it, because they are their main shows, is what they're using as a developmental system. And then you see guys you don't see guys. You see guy you don't see guys like where's Wardlow? Where are these guys? Where's Where's Hobbs gonna get better? Where's you know? I don't know, man, It's just such a there's such a disconct because I'm not sure if they want to be a full blown wrestling company or they want to prove that they just have the best talent out there can do stuff every week. I was on a Twitter space last night. There was amazing gave Soaprowski R of Oater gay yep I was holding a Twitter space last night and he was dropping some great things. Man. He he was saying that you have to really want to get better and put in the work and time and go out there and get it. And he brought up an interesting fact that there's been like no independent tryouts for TOWE for a year. He said, that should make you mad, because that's saying that they don't think they need to go out and get right people off the independent scene because they're confident enough with what the able to home brew their in their developmental center. So I do think the independent seems like really important. I just don't know how if it's a right approach for AW to kind of come across like an independent scene at this point in time. The company obviously has proven that it can, and I don't know if it's made much money yet because it's spent so much any business has to have. I don't remember Tony Kahn probably said after this mark right here, this amount of years whatever, I want to be able to start doing this or whatever. But I do think the independent wrestling is still important, and I certainly hope it's around but when Gabe brought that up, he's like, hey, like they're they're not really tryouts right now. That should upset you, guys. You wrestlers, you gotta you gotta really go out and prove yourself, get to your point, get in the repetition, get the interest back going. Because there is so many benefits from having NXT obviously, but at the end of the day, you still have to have other things that I call it a farmer system, like a like a feed system because a former basketball coach, you really have to have things that are funneling, right, and some of these indies are going to have to funnel into that too. But for a W they have some infrastructure there to be able to try to and I think this would help get a better handle on things as well. We talk about behavior all that we've seen a lot of that get kind of this goes to the wayside and they're gone at w W. Yeah, they don't, they don't make it. They don't stick around, whether it's their fault or not. In help they come back a lot of times and they when they've had some more experience or whatever. I mean. I think for a W though beneficial, I think they have bring of honor, they have some infrastructure there. They just really get to figure out how they want to do things and be consistent because right now it kind of seems like, hey, the young Bucks want to have do things this way. Seeing Polk wants to do things this way. FDR wants to do things this way. How does Tony Kahn want to do things? How's able? You gotta do things? I think the next couple of years now that we're three years actually today was the four year anniversary I believe twenty nineteen of when Chris Jericho when I posted this one on this day and professional wrestling history, if there's a plug if Chris Jericho becoming the first champion there, we're several years in. We gotta start figuring out, for a w how we want to do things, because now it's kind of like kind of seems like a free for all, which is kind of cool for a while. That's like when you're a real wrestling fan, it's kind of like, what the hell are we? Where we going? What are we trying to do here? What are we getting who are we getting behind? Why are we getting behind him? And what's the plan? Yeah that and no, you're exactly right. And I think a lot of going back to the independence. For a long time, we stole from all the independence. We took the top people, which then let the independent mentality become well, they'll come and find me. No, you have to get out there, you have to do more. But the flip side to that is, now, how can you out there with only cons letting its contract the town go and work anywhere they want when they're not on TV. There's so many there's so many disconnects and making it so much parder. And now they're getting one version of how the business kind of goes from let's say WWE people and then they see a w guys come in and do what they want. They go, well, I can do that too. We still got to make a name for yourself. You still gotta make a some have some kind of reputation and be reliable. But I think the independents are struggling right now, the ones I've been to and the when I go do the seminars, because a lot of the attitude is well, this is what they're doing, and they'll come and find me. And I always go, know, you have to give them a reason to come and find you. But now the ones that are locked in a W, they have no reason they're there and nothing's gonna happen. And a lot of it you've got to be happy with just getting a pay check kind of I have gone off a lot of it. Have a world of potential. I would take the Nightmare Factory and everything they built there because they know it's a big gym attached to it and everything else. I would turn that into the FCW like Tampa was, and build from there and give your people a reason to be there every day. How about you give a reason you're paying them be there every day. Well, I don't want to move to Atlanta. I'm very happy showing up once a week from La No. If you want to be used and I'm paying you, you're in a contract. Here's why I want you. There's there's gotta be I think I heard Bully Ray thought, where's the who's the head of talent relations? Who's the head of this, who's the head of that? You have this multimillion dollar company and you're running it like a mom and pop shop. Utilize JR. Utilize these guys, Utilize Malinko Anderson, Jerry Lynn, all these other guys, Frankie Kazari, I don't even know what they're doing anymore. Christopher Daniels here, they're all in the back and they're all part of this. And then Jeff jarretts the executive this and that, and Jeff Jarrets doing more on TV, probably because he knows there ain't nothing for an do you know what I mean? So I it's just and it's not and again it's not bagging on AW. It's frustrating to see the business model has been put in front of you, learn from it, make it better and do your own thing, not just do your own thing. Well, wrap things up. But going back to my original point, the feeder system. Yeah, do you say a W benefits from structure? From that, I absolutely do as you said up said about right now, it's kind of like everybody's kind of doing their own thing, which is super cool at first, but now I'm just I just often get confused on what's going on. Yeah. I think it gives it gives it gives the younger guys opportunity to learn some storytelling. It gives, you know, to have these things in play instead of just showing up on TV and trying to prove a point or what's the a W way, what's the A like? We don't know that yet. Yeah, I think it's very willy nilly, like, hey, you're on, and you how many I'd like to really know the number of how many talent are actually on the AW roster. I know how many we see every week. I want to know how many talent are on. I loved a while ago it was an astonishing number, like over two hun it was a lot. Yeah, it was a lot. I just don't know what they're doing with them. They don't like to your point, they don't have an XT or a power fact, they don't have any of that that I know of. And I think but my point was, I think that just structure, starting at the bottom, yeah, really will benefit everything, just for the sake of consistency for a W. Yeah, because you can't go to the nightmare factory for three months. We're not take bumps at the ropes to be and TV and b a TV star. Yeah, and you can't be consistent. So I want to know does a W plan on opening up live events to where they're doing more? And then I want to see the business model right then then they'll see what's really consistent, and the consistency is inconsistence. Not really any live events either. Yeah, so I don't know. So I I'm with you. I'm a big believer in the feeder system. I was a big proponent of it then I am now. I had a lot to do with how it's running, the model of that, and I think they would benefit a lot from it. I just think they would benefit from the people that are there, and I don't see them taking advantage of that, and by them, the main person I'm see taking advantage of it is Tony and that's just on the surface. I don't like I said, I don't know the man. I've met him one time. Things, a great guy. What he's doing is amazing for the business. Oh yeah, but it's but it's getting old. We're pitching this pay per view for lund like it's gonna be amazing London. Yeah, well, like you get what else are you building? Yeah? Are you building from the ground I get he built from the ground up because he literally started company with some guys. But what's going on at the bottom here? You know, there's nothing if you're not if you're not the main guy, there's nothing for you. And when you see it, they're like, well, who who hell is that? And then you don't see him again for another month, so you forgot who they were in the first place. So that's why he's got to let them go out and do other stuff, honestly, Yeah, because right now their experience, it's got to be them going on and doing other stuff because they're not going to get it within the company. I would turn that. I would turn that QT Marshall and the Nightmare Factory into a into a developmental system. And yeah, you know, man, he's gone on for an hour and a half. Here are' and again, I just want to see this again. It sounds like it, and it sounds like a cheesy thing at the end. This is not bagging on a w Like if I didn't think there was anything worth talking about, I'd be like, come on, let's talk about something else. But there's a lot to it. And I think if you and I are this actually about it and can't come up with this and have these conversations, then they should be having these sink conversations, I'd hope. So yeah, but I don't. Yeah, it doesn't seem like it for sure. Yeah, well, man, we'll wrap this one up and we talked about next week we'll come back with a full deep dive into the Windham Ratuona, but Wyatt. In the meantime, we hope we give you some some I guess, something to think about maybe with a W. Besides the drama going on in AW what else can a W focus on? What else would you like to see in professional wrestler? These are great discussions. We just hope that it leads to some growth. And like I said, a W is very important for professional wrestling, So hats off to them for the amazing pay per view and all the success. Keep it going, Just just keep it going and realize what you're working so hard for. What's your legacy going to be? That's what I want people to think of. What what What did I give back to the business or what did I leave the business? Not from the business, you know, not what it took for me? Yeah, exactly. I like that. Hey, we've got all sorts of back. We've got a huge catalog going now, We've twenty approaching thirty episodes in which is crazy doing this because we love it where the sponsorships aren't rolling in or anything, but damn it, where the viewership is viewership, listenership is growing, and I think we're putting out some good content. So I encourage you to go back listen to a lot of the guys we've done, Bill Goldberg, especially the United States Championship. We us five in party around the history of that title, and tons of other great things that we've been able to build up in the last six seven months Bill, which is crazy. So yeah, I go to buildamot dot com. It's got links to the podcast on YouTube and all the other pod has listening platforms, and make sure you check out the foundation and amazing work Bill is doing there. That is also very important. Bill, you're back. I just gave all the plugs. I talked about how we had a good catalog and they should chuck it out. And I also plug the build up up dot com and the foundation email build u up pot at gmail dot com or reach us on social media on podcast father He's build him up. Yeah, keep keep keep with the questions. I'm connected now with Vince's mustache on Twitter, so I'm excited about that. Keep the questions coming in, and uh, we'll keep doing this, man. Almost thirty episodes in and uh, this is good stuff. Man. I really really do enjoy it. And again you're doing an awesome job, Jeff, steering this ship. And I just look forward to what we do every week. Me too. Man. I appreciate spending time with you, and I hope everybody's enjoying it. We'll continue to try our best. So that's it. Height until next week, all of you, keep enjoying the content, and keep being yourself and keep being great. Getting to the point here within the next up weeks where I owe you about one hundred dollars say say take a little stance on the right to know what to let Molly. Y'all man, your sweat s best yourself, don't you finish? Yalla the water three? Jeff Townsend Media, see you good night. And the question is do I stay here? Will you be back? Are you gonna come back? Will you be back? Are you coming back?