Eve Howard - Dance With The Devil by Paranormal Connection

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[00:00:54] And today's episode we have a lady named Eve Howard who is going to tell us her stories of the paranormal. That's right, stories as in more than one.

[00:01:19] So we have her telling us about an evil hitchhiker, a strange blue orb and a portal in her own apartment. Let's get into it.

[00:01:50] So this was and I would have to say it was late summer of 1991. And we were living in Bemidji. I was living in Bemidji. I had picked up my boyfriend and his cousin.

[00:02:10] Earlier in the day, we drove back to Bemidji and we hung out. We went to Samuwe. We were underage so we weren't drinking.

[00:02:21] And I said, oh, I had to get him home. I had to get him home by one in the morning. So we were driving and I wanted to get there as fast as I could.

[00:02:31] And when you come out of Bemidji as you're heading towards Kass Lake, there's two ways to go. There's an old, they call it Old Kass Lake Highway.

[00:02:40] And then there's the, the highway which is highway 2 and you can take that. I happened to notice there was a woman and I was probably about 500 feet from the turn off.

[00:02:57] So I was starting to slow down because I'm like, hesitating. Should I take the Old Kass Lake Highway?

[00:03:02] Which a lot of people will not drive that at night because it is really, really spooky. There's been lots of accidents. People see really strange phenomena on that road.

[00:03:13] And we weren't too hip about it but I was slowing down anyway because I was like, on that road, I can probably go fast.

[00:03:23] I can get these guys home before I curfew or I can just take the highway and go fast and not have to worry about a ticket.

[00:03:31] So we were pulling up about 500 feet away from where I either turn or keep going straight. And I noticed a woman standing on the side of the road like she was hitchhiking but she didn't have her thumb out.

[00:03:44] And I just thought it was really strange because she was alone. You know, usually women don't hitchhike alone back in the 90s.

[00:03:54] And I didn't think anything of it and then we had, you know, it was nighttime, little lights were on the headlights on the car.

[00:04:02] So I started to approach her eyes with me through the windshield and looked at me and noticed me or knew who was driving but as soon as she locked eyes with me, she smiled.

[00:04:15] But it wasn't just the way she smiled. It was like her jaw just kind of dropped and these teeth and the teeth were long. They were like long.

[00:04:29] I drew you a sketch but there's just no way to make it as dead on as it was because her teeth were probably about this long and it was like she had many not just like the normal, you know, 32 or whatever it is that we have but she had many and they were long and sharp.

[00:04:49] They were on both the top and the bottom. So she had like this Joker smile like really wide and just,

[00:04:58] and my boy, I thought well maybe I'm just seeing this scene and maybe I'm tired.

[00:05:05] And in my boyfriend and Dan both started everybody was just so when I remember Dan, do you guys see her teeth?

[00:05:17] And my boyfriend's like hitting me and he's like go, go, go, go.

[00:05:22] And the whole thought of turning to go on the cast like highway was just out in my head. There was just no way after seeing something like that.

[00:05:31] You know, having that swallow us on our trip.

[00:05:37] So I just jammed down the accelerator and the car was it was a V8. So it was like, boom, I just took off and we passed her and I remember my boyfriend's cousin was in the back seat and he was turned around to just to make sure that she didn't follow us because it was

[00:05:54] it was definitely the scariest thing that I'd ever seen at that point.

[00:05:59] I mean, I've had some paranormal things happen to me but never seeing anything that I just have no explanation for that just terrified me to the point where

[00:06:10] I'll never ever pick up a hitchhiker ever in my life after that.

[00:06:15] That was and even they'll talk about it. We've, in fact, I talked to my ex husband because I showed him the sketch that I'd sent you and I was like, is this the way you remember her?

[00:06:28] And he said, yeah, she was wearing like layered clothing, which we thought was really weird because it was still relatively warm out. I mean, Minnesota can be cold but not that cold where you need to wear that many layers.

[00:06:43] And she was, I'd say she was about 5, 8, 5, 7.

[00:06:52] She was, it was hard to tell what her body frame was like because she was wearing like homeless layers like she had like a scarf.

[00:07:01] And she had like a jacket with like lapels and then underneath she had you could see that she was wearing, you know, padded up pretty good with clothing.

[00:07:13] I still have no explanation to that.

[00:07:19] Even now talking about it after, you know, 30 some years, 30 years. It's, it's, it's scary to think that there are things out there at night.

[00:07:29] And what about the car behind me or anybody that was coming along that didn't see what she really looked like and stopped and picked her up.

[00:07:38] I mean, I think about that everyone's no longer like did anyone pick her up or is it just meant for us to see.

[00:07:45] And when I finally got to cast like and we were still really shook up and I had begged his mom, my boyfriend's mom to like let me spend the night because I was too scared to drive back by myself way too scared.

[00:07:59] And I had talked to my ex husband because we eventually got married but he was like, yeah, he said that he goes you spent the night because you were not driving home and nobody wanted you to drive home after seeing nothing.

[00:08:16] Well, yeah, that the drawing it says a lot.

[00:08:23] And it was, you know, really detailed and I'm going to end up putting that upload it somewhere to where I can link it into the show notes of the podcast and people can press on it and look for it at themselves.

[00:08:36] So they know what you're referring to.

[00:08:40] But yeah, that is that's I fortunately have not seen anything like that driving at night.

[00:08:47] Yeah, I want to.

[00:08:51] I mean, I've seen some I've seen some crazy stuff at night.

[00:08:57] You know, definitely in the sky and on the ground and I don't know if it's just that I'm more open to seeing that kind of thing.

[00:09:08] And then, you know, being a paranormal investigator it took me a long time to get over that fear of seeing these things because you don't have an explanation for it.

[00:09:19] You want so bad to find the logic and the reasoning behind it.

[00:09:23] You know, and we weren't drinking. We weren't using drugs that night.

[00:09:30] And we were just kids. We didn't know really where to get anything like that, but.

[00:09:37] Even to this day, you know, people were like, use us. Oh, you guys were smoking some marijuana and it was like.

[00:09:44] But to have three people see the exact same thing because we talked about it on the way home and we like compared notes and what did you see?

[00:09:52] You know, and the one thing we just seen was her teeth, her mouth.

[00:09:57] There's just no way humanly possible.

[00:10:00] Anybody's jaw could drop and have that many teeth and as sharp as they were and then the light the headlights were shining up.

[00:10:11] And it was scary.

[00:10:15] Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. I'm sure.

[00:10:20] So yeah, moving along to 2001 with the blue orb.

[00:10:27] Yeah, we were a former friend of mine and I were.

[00:10:36] We're going to make a quick trip down to Minneapolis and come back.

[00:10:40] But they'll, you know, with her schedule, we can only make that at about.

[00:10:45] I think we left about midnight.

[00:10:48] And we were driving on some back roads and she was driving.

[00:10:53] I had no clue where I was, but we were halfway between Bemidji and Minneapolis.

[00:10:59] And we're like on all these roads. I have no idea how she knew where we were.

[00:11:04] But she had like a little Mustang and we.

[00:11:09] I was sitting in the passenger seat and she was driving.

[00:11:12] And we come up and I remember there was like a field on our right,

[00:11:15] and then we come up to the stop sign.

[00:11:17] And we turn.

[00:11:19] And I just, I don't know what it was, but I something just made me look to my right in the field.

[00:11:26] And I'd say it was about.

[00:11:30] Two thirds of them are a third of a mile from, from the road.

[00:11:36] And I see that the field is there's nothing in the field.

[00:11:41] It's just grass. I don't know if it was grazing for cattle.

[00:11:46] But there wasn't any porn or any type of anything growing there.

[00:11:49] And the trees are, I can see the trees in the back.

[00:11:53] But I like, catch this. My eye was there was this orb.

[00:11:56] It was a blue orb, like blue, like beautiful blue.

[00:12:02] And I'll have to send you a picture of the closest thing that I can think of.

[00:12:09] But I guess if you go to Spencer's and you see those,

[00:12:12] those looks like little orbs in there's light and electricity inside of it.

[00:12:17] And then you see your hands on it and the electricity kind of touches your hand and lights up.

[00:12:24] That would be the closest thing that I can think of without, you know, finding overly edited picture.

[00:12:35] It was, I'd say it was about close to four feet in height.

[00:12:42] At the edge of, at the edge of the field.

[00:12:47] And I could see the trees behind it.

[00:12:51] So it wasn't, it wasn't like opaque.

[00:12:54] It was, you were able to kind of see.

[00:12:56] I could see like the ground was glowing underneath it.

[00:12:59] So it was probably about maybe four to five inches off the ground.

[00:13:03] And it was just in the back and it was slowly moving.

[00:13:09] Like just struggling along.

[00:13:12] I mean, it was moving and it was moving in the opposite direction.

[00:13:17] We were going because we were driving this way and it was going that way.

[00:13:22] And I just remember late.

[00:13:25] I was speechless.

[00:13:26] I didn't say anything.

[00:13:28] And I definitely didn't say anything to my friend who was driving.

[00:13:34] I didn't want her to ask me, are you okay?

[00:13:37] Do should we turn around?

[00:13:39] I didn't say nothing.

[00:13:41] And we're about maybe halfway, about a mile.

[00:13:46] And she finally looked at me and she said did you see that?

[00:13:50] And just decided, just play dumb.

[00:13:53] And I said, see what?

[00:13:55] And she said, you mean to tell me you didn't see that blue bubble, that blue orb in the field.

[00:14:03] And I just, I didn't say anything.

[00:14:06] But I knew that she had seen it as well.

[00:14:09] And I said, yeah, I saw it.

[00:14:15] And she's like, what do you think that was?

[00:14:17] And I was like, no, no, no.

[00:14:19] I've never seen anything like that.

[00:14:21] I mean, a lot in a lot of traditional stories.

[00:14:25] You don't kill here Native Americans elders talk about or so are fireballs.

[00:14:32] And the red ones, I was tell us the red ones are bad.

[00:14:36] And you know, the blue ones or the white ones, the green ones are not as bad or not bad.

[00:14:43] So I guess since it was a big blue orb, you know, I'm guessing it wasn't, it wasn't, you know, it was probably capable of harming us.

[00:14:52] But it didn't do anything.

[00:14:54] It was just doing its own thing in the field.

[00:14:58] And we just drove away.

[00:15:01] And we talked about it for a couple hours before we got down to Minneapolis.

[00:15:06] And then we never mentioned it again, we never questioned what it was.

[00:15:11] But I know it could be anything from just an anomaly to maybe a probe.

[00:15:19] An alien probe.

[00:15:21] And it was just a kind of reason we came up with.

[00:15:24] And it wasn't storming that night.

[00:15:27] It was completely, you know, there was no clouds.

[00:15:32] There was no rain.

[00:15:33] There was no thunderstorms.

[00:15:35] There was absolutely nothing that was, you know, going on that night.

[00:15:39] It was just really peaceful.

[00:15:42] You also have down here astral dreams under that as a bullet.

[00:15:48] I guess one of the things that I noticed after seeing this orb,

[00:15:53] I started to have really strange sleep disturbances.

[00:16:00] My boyfriend at the time was working graveyard.

[00:16:03] So, you know, I still remain sleeping when he would leave for work.

[00:16:09] And the first night he left and I was dozing off.

[00:16:14] And then I was laying on the bed.

[00:16:19] And it felt like someone had come up to me and was like rubbing my temples.

[00:16:25] And I thought it was him that he, you know, either didn't have to work or, you know, there was something.

[00:16:31] So I was just relaxing.

[00:16:32] It felt, you know, so relaxing.

[00:16:35] And I'm laying there in all of a sudden it started to get a little bit more harder.

[00:16:38] And then it started to feel like it was pulling me off the bed.

[00:16:43] And I couldn't move.

[00:16:45] I couldn't open my eyes, I couldn't say anything.

[00:16:48] It was like I had total sleep paralysis.

[00:16:51] And up to that point I had never experienced sleep paralysis.

[00:16:54] I didn't even know what it was.

[00:16:56] And it scared me.

[00:17:00] And the dogs were in the room with me and they slept right through it.

[00:17:03] So I'm just like, okay, it just had to have been a bad dream.

[00:17:06] So a couple nights later, it happened again.

[00:17:10] But this time I was on the bed.

[00:17:12] I was sleeping on my stomach.

[00:17:15] And I had that same feeling again like I can't move.

[00:17:19] I can't open my eyes.

[00:17:20] I can't say anything.

[00:17:22] And I had moved the dogs in with me, you know, so they were practically laying on me.

[00:17:27] And, you know, they're down by my legs.

[00:17:31] And I could feel a sensation of someone pushing on my back and on my head.

[00:17:40] And pushing me down into the bed with a pill.

[00:17:43] So I was like, not only can I not speak or move, but I was like having trouble breathing.

[00:17:49] And when I finally was able to be of control over my body and get up.

[00:17:57] And I was just scared.

[00:18:00] I was really truly frightened.

[00:18:03] I didn't know what it was.

[00:18:04] I didn't know what was causing it.

[00:18:06] So we had a second bad room that we had fixed up like a gastrum.

[00:18:12] And I started sleeping in there.

[00:18:16] And the first night, it was fine.

[00:18:19] The second night, I had that strange, it's almost like this little,

[00:18:25] it's almost like a pulsing, like almost like a pulsing vibrating type.

[00:18:30] I can hear it.

[00:18:31] It's like very metallic sounding.

[00:18:33] And it's very, it's, it starts out like very low.

[00:18:36] Like you probably wouldn't notice it.

[00:18:39] And I was starting to hear that along with feeling like I was like floating.

[00:18:47] So then I finally wake up.

[00:18:50] And if you ever notice certain ceilings have like that spray,

[00:18:55] like there's bumps on the ceiling, we had that in our,

[00:19:00] I had never noticed that before.

[00:19:02] But I was on, I woke up and I was on the ceiling.

[00:19:05] I was floating on the ceiling and I was pushing against.

[00:19:08] I could feel the bumps of the ceiling on my hands as I'm pushing away from it.

[00:19:14] And I'm scared.

[00:19:16] I'm terrified.

[00:19:18] You know, this keeps happening to me.

[00:19:20] What is it?

[00:19:21] What's going on?

[00:19:22] Why am I, why am I feeling this?

[00:19:25] Why is this happening?

[00:19:26] And I woke up and it was morning and I was like,

[00:19:32] oh, I can't sleep in here either.

[00:19:34] So I ended up moving out into the living room

[00:19:40] and started sleeping on the couch.

[00:19:43] And my boyfriend was still working.

[00:19:47] So this was probably within a 10 day period

[00:19:51] that all these occurrences had been happening after seeing the blue orb.

[00:19:56] And as I'm lying on the couch sleeping,

[00:20:00] it's all of a sudden and we had like an L shape,

[00:20:03] like a kitchen here.

[00:20:04] And then you went around the corner and then there was the living room.

[00:20:07] So it was like L shaped.

[00:20:08] And I'm sleeping at the very top part of the L

[00:20:12] and I was sitting on the couch.

[00:20:14] And all of a sudden, I see like a mist,

[00:20:19] where I see like a really foggy mist,

[00:20:22] kind of a darker mist.

[00:20:24] And it's surrounding me.

[00:20:26] And I'm walking through the kitchen but not really walking.

[00:20:29] It's like I'm just, I can move.

[00:20:32] And I come through the kitchen and I turn the corner

[00:20:36] and I see myself sleeping on the couch.

[00:20:43] And I was sleeping with my back to the kitchen

[00:20:48] and I'm sleeping curled up in a little ball against the couch.

[00:20:52] And as soon as I saw my body,

[00:20:56] it was like something just yanked me across the room.

[00:21:01] Like the mist was like behind me because I was getting yanked

[00:21:05] and I was like,

[00:21:07] I'm just hitting my body and I woke up.

[00:21:10] And I woke up and I was scared.

[00:21:12] I'm like, okay, I can't sleep anywhere.

[00:21:15] So I was shaking.

[00:21:16] I got up and I got into my car

[00:21:19] and I drove to my boyfriend's work

[00:21:21] and he worked at a grocery store for a night cleaning crew.

[00:21:25] And I parked out in the back by his car

[00:21:28] and I slept out there.

[00:21:31] And he came out at six in the morning

[00:21:33] and he's like, what are you doing here?

[00:21:35] And I was like, you remember all those things

[00:21:37] that I'm telling you about where I'm just like,

[00:21:39] I can't move.

[00:21:40] And all these, like,

[00:21:41] someone's putting their hands on me

[00:21:42] and it's like, I think I'm being attacked.

[00:21:47] And I felt like I was being attacked.

[00:21:52] And this went on for many years.

[00:21:55] In fact, I still go through those moments.

[00:21:58] But my boyfriend,

[00:22:00] eventually he was from New York.

[00:22:01] We eventually moved out there in 2003, 2004.

[00:22:07] He was starting to have the sleep paralysis.

[00:22:11] And it wasn't happening at night for him

[00:22:13] because he worked crazy hours in New York.

[00:22:16] He had like two jobs.

[00:22:18] This would happen to him during the day

[00:22:20] and it would happen while I was in the bed,

[00:22:23] wide awake.

[00:22:25] And as soon as he fell asleep,

[00:22:28] he could just lay down and start snoring.

[00:22:32] I could hear him trying to make a noise,

[00:22:35] you know, trying to wake himself up.

[00:22:38] And I told him,

[00:22:39] I said, well, you know what?

[00:22:40] If anything like that happens when you're sleeping,

[00:22:42] just tell it to leave you alone.

[00:22:45] And he did.

[00:22:47] And it attacked him.

[00:22:49] So whatever that was,

[00:22:51] I don't know if it was the same thing

[00:22:53] that I was experiencing.

[00:22:54] You know, he didn't want to talk about it.

[00:22:56] I said, well,

[00:22:57] tell me anything other than the fact that he said,

[00:22:59] why do what you said?

[00:23:00] And that was the wrong thing to do.

[00:23:02] But he said it was like we had two bedrooms.

[00:23:05] And he said like the second bedroom,

[00:23:07] he could feel like there was an old woman in there.

[00:23:09] And that's what he was dealing with.

[00:23:11] So we lived in the Hudson Valley in New York.

[00:23:14] So it was like right outside of the boroughs.

[00:23:17] And right across the river,

[00:23:20] the Hudson River.

[00:23:21] And there was just,

[00:23:22] you know,

[00:23:23] it's probably one of the most active places for UFOs,

[00:23:29] paranormal in general.

[00:23:32] Eventually I'd like to go back out there and do a little bit

[00:23:35] of my own investigating.

[00:23:36] But I just,

[00:23:40] I had no clue what was going on.

[00:23:42] And so I think I eventually watched an episode of Sylvia Brown

[00:23:46] that just was flipping channels.

[00:23:48] And it was on and it was cleaning or doing something.

[00:23:51] And she was talking about this woman was telling her that she felt like

[00:23:54] she was being attacked in her sleep.

[00:23:58] And Sylvia had told her,

[00:23:59] well you're not being attacked because Sylvia was like a psychic.

[00:24:03] So she was telling you you're not being attacked.

[00:24:05] It's called astral projection.

[00:24:07] And you should probably,

[00:24:09] you know, understand what it is.

[00:24:11] And to know that you're not being attacked,

[00:24:14] writing any type of entity.

[00:24:16] And it was just like someone had just kind of

[00:24:20] dropped like all the pieces.

[00:24:23] And boom, boom.

[00:24:25] That's what it is.

[00:24:27] So I'm into and I think it was my daughter was very little.

[00:24:33] She was just a baby.

[00:24:34] And I was able to like pull out of my body watch.

[00:24:39] My husband was sleeping and she was sleeping.

[00:24:42] And I was up in the corner of the room.

[00:24:45] And then I just poop.

[00:24:47] I was out outside.

[00:24:49] And it was like almost right before dawn.

[00:24:52] And I'm flying over a relax lake in Minnesota.

[00:24:56] And I have Eagles.

[00:24:58] World me and Eagles were flying.

[00:25:01] And I looked down at the lake and it's really shallow there.

[00:25:05] And there was these wall eyes.

[00:25:07] And we were all everybody was going in one direction.

[00:25:10] And I just thought, you know,

[00:25:12] it's not scary anymore.

[00:25:14] And in fact, I had, you know, quite a few where I can remember

[00:25:18] when I wake up just like amazing things being able to fly,

[00:25:22] being able to go anywhere I want.

[00:25:25] Sometimes I see celebrities and.

[00:25:29] And go to just feels like I'm in space like I can go anywhere.

[00:25:34] So it's really cool.

[00:25:36] So whatever that orb was,

[00:25:38] I don't know if it was something that just awakened something

[00:25:41] inside me, but after that point of seeing it,

[00:25:44] I've had these being able to.

[00:25:48] National travel in my sleep at night.

[00:25:51] And people tell me that you know,

[00:25:54] you can learn to do it while you're awake.

[00:25:57] And I've just never been able to even though I meditate

[00:26:01] usually daily, I'm not able to like get that good yet

[00:26:05] where I can just leave on a whim and go wherever I was.

[00:26:09] So I'm going to go to the next slide.

[00:26:12] Okay.

[00:26:15] So your most recent line on this list is from 2017.

[00:26:20] And it's from your apartment.

[00:26:23] Is this a apartment here in now?

[00:26:27] Yes.

[00:26:30] No, in Fargo,

[00:26:32] in Fargo, North Dakota.

[00:26:34] I'm currently right now.

[00:26:36] I'm going to read on the reservation and whether.

[00:26:41] We had gotten into this apartment.

[00:26:44] And I was kind of going through an awakening.

[00:26:52] You know, I was social drinking everything.

[00:26:55] And I just had stopped doing that.

[00:26:57] I was starting to become more aware of what's going on around me

[00:27:01] and why these things were bothering me.

[00:27:04] And I made friends that were a lot like me.

[00:27:07] And they're just, you know,

[00:27:09] think positive, raise your vibrations.

[00:27:12] And you won't have any issues with things like this.

[00:27:14] Why was, you know, right before that point,

[00:27:17] moved into this apartment in my,

[00:27:22] my boyfriend was sleeping in the bedroom.

[00:27:25] And I got up to go to the bathroom.

[00:27:28] This is kind of funny.

[00:27:30] I was in the bathroom.

[00:27:33] The medication I took for sleep.

[00:27:36] Because I have always had trouble sleeping when I do fall asleep.

[00:27:40] And then, you know,

[00:27:42] I end up leaving my body.

[00:27:44] So it feels like when I wake up,

[00:27:46] I don't get enough sleep.

[00:27:48] I went to sleep.

[00:27:50] I got up.

[00:27:51] I went to the bathroom.

[00:27:53] And I was so tired.

[00:27:54] I fell asleep.

[00:27:55] So I'm like,

[00:27:57] I'm like this.

[00:27:58] My hair is like hanging.

[00:28:00] And all of a sudden,

[00:28:04] it was like my eyes were open,

[00:28:06] but they weren't.

[00:28:08] And it was like an image.

[00:28:11] And now, you know, being

[00:28:14] some of higher vibration

[00:28:17] and opening up my chakras.

[00:28:19] I'm also a reaky practitioner.

[00:28:22] I'm able to see out of what they called the,

[00:28:25] you know, the third eye.

[00:28:27] So with my eyes closed,

[00:28:29] I can see things.

[00:28:31] And I was like sleeping in on a sudden,

[00:28:34] the little boy,

[00:28:35] he had black hair and it was cut kind of like an,

[00:28:39] I wouldn't say a bowl cut,

[00:28:41] but it was,

[00:28:42] it was the cut kind of longish on the sides and in the back.

[00:28:48] And he just kind of like,

[00:28:50] like leaned out,

[00:28:51] looked up at me.

[00:28:52] He leaned down and looked up at me.

[00:28:55] And he didn't say anything,

[00:28:57] but I just got this feeling of,

[00:28:59] are you okay?

[00:29:01] And I instantly woke up and I was like,

[00:29:06] oh, that was so weird.

[00:29:10] You know, why is he here?

[00:29:13] And he goes to say,

[00:29:15] I went finished up and I took off.

[00:29:17] I went jump into the bed

[00:29:18] and I covered up and I was like,

[00:29:20] you know, I had,

[00:29:22] I had at this point I've only seen like,

[00:29:25] miss or,

[00:29:27] you know, anything moving out of the side of my eyes.

[00:29:30] I've never seen an apparition details his eyes.

[00:29:37] You had like smudged,

[00:29:39] like smudges underneath his eyes.

[00:29:42] Very deep set eyes in there is like bark shadows underneath it.

[00:29:46] You had little chubby cheeks.

[00:29:49] You know,

[00:29:51] if you would have seen him as what he looked like normally,

[00:29:55] it wouldn't have been frightening at all.

[00:29:57] He was a very sweet looking boy.

[00:29:59] He just looked like he was,

[00:30:00] you know, why are you doing?

[00:30:01] Why are you sleeping?

[00:30:05] But we had a couple of other instances in that place

[00:30:10] and it just kind of led me to believe that there was a portal.

[00:30:14] So I had a friend in mine that was very sensitive,

[00:30:21] come into the house and I knew the areas where I felt very uneasy.

[00:30:26] One was in my daughter's room in the closet

[00:30:29] and another one was down the stairs like you walk through the apartment

[00:30:33] there were some stairs in the back,

[00:30:34] you walk down to the basement and there was laundry room there.

[00:30:37] And those areas really bothered me a lot.

[00:30:40] So I did a lot of making sage and burning it and smudging the house.

[00:30:46] And I had another,

[00:30:49] I think the only time I felt really strange was when everyone had gone to bed,

[00:30:53] my daughter and my boyfriend,

[00:30:55] and I'm sitting up watching TV

[00:30:57] and Allison,

[00:30:58] I just had this feeling

[00:31:01] like someone had just come from the kitchen from this area

[00:31:06] and was standing in the entry-wheel of the kitchen and was staring at me.

[00:31:10] And I just got this feeling of anxiety,

[00:31:15] I was scared

[00:31:17] and just a feeling of dread that something was there

[00:31:21] and I didn't want to look over to see what was there.

[00:31:24] I was just going to keep watching TV and not give it my fear

[00:31:28] because I didn't want to feed it, to feed into it.

[00:31:32] And I just kept watching TV

[00:31:34] and I didn't even look over there

[00:31:36] and eventually that feeling went away

[00:31:40] and I never had an issue there after that

[00:31:45] and just kept doing the smudging and the sage-ing.

[00:31:49] And my boyfriend's daughter,

[00:31:52] she's about the same age as my daughter,

[00:31:54] she spent overnight with us

[00:31:57] and the two girls were in my daughter's room,

[00:32:00] spending the night and my daughter had mentioned to me

[00:32:05] that I'll just call her Amy.

[00:32:09] That's not her name,

[00:32:10] but Amy had gotten up in the middle of the night

[00:32:12] and was sitting in the closet

[00:32:14] and was trying to conjure something,

[00:32:18] was trying to open whatever it was she was trying to open.

[00:32:23] But she had been in the bathroom,

[00:32:25] she had been into the closet

[00:32:27] and she was trying to open herself up to the spirit world.

[00:32:35] And doing so,

[00:32:38] she had opened a portal in that closet, reopened it

[00:32:42] because I know there was one there previously

[00:32:44] because I had my sensitive friend and I came in

[00:32:47] and we cleansed the whole house out

[00:32:50] and everything was good after that.

[00:32:53] But soon she did that.

[00:32:55] There was some really unusual things

[00:32:58] that were coming through.

[00:33:02] The astral projections were still there,

[00:33:04] but they were becoming more intense.

[00:33:08] There was feelings of...

[00:33:13] Usually I'm never scared.

[00:33:16] But this time it was almost like a feeling of elation

[00:33:20] and I was happy to go.

[00:33:23] And I thought that it was really odd.

[00:33:25] And then I remember seeing a kaleidoscope of colors,

[00:33:29] white light, silver light, platinum

[00:33:33] and it was like a kaleidoscope just kept spinning

[00:33:35] and then I was gone.

[00:33:37] And then I woke up and I felt like I only woke up

[00:33:39] like 10 minutes later.

[00:33:41] And I remember waking up

[00:33:44] and it felt like Christmas morning to me.

[00:33:46] It just was extremely happy.

[00:33:49] And that was the only time that I remember

[00:33:51] where I was excited to go.

[00:33:53] Usually it's just like, okay, here we go.

[00:33:56] If anybody that does these or has this

[00:34:02] you kind of get that feeling after a while

[00:34:05] of, can we please hurry up?

[00:34:08] There are people that seek to do that

[00:34:11] and I don't have it.

[00:34:12] I have opened my mind with it

[00:34:14] and anyone who, you know,

[00:34:16] I'm like, what do you think is what they like to do?

[00:34:19] I spend their nights.

[00:34:21] I have no problem with it but it's just,

[00:34:23] I can feel it.

[00:34:24] I know when it's going to happen.

[00:34:25] It's like I lay there and it's kind of like how that feel

[00:34:27] when you kind of jump when you're almost sleeping.

[00:34:30] Except for it's very minimized but it starts back here

[00:34:34] in my head and I can feel like almost like a humming,

[00:34:39] like a throbbing humming, a metallic humming

[00:34:42] and right before I'm like,

[00:34:46] I lift out of my body.

[00:34:48] There's like a pain on this side of my body

[00:34:50] like right here.

[00:34:51] And I've asked people even this morning I asked someone

[00:34:54] what is that pain and why do I have it?

[00:34:57] And I've gotten lots of theories, some from,

[00:35:02] you know, your people that aren't aware,

[00:35:05] you know, your soul being ripped from your body.

[00:35:08] I don't believe that.

[00:35:09] Maybe it's more of a subconscious than

[00:35:11] I'd say my soul is living my body.

[00:35:14] Or else maybe you know something to do with a chakra

[00:35:18] or they say that you're tethered to your body during these

[00:35:21] traveling that you can never get lost or find,

[00:35:24] not find your way back.

[00:35:26] I think my medicine man had mentioned to me he's like,

[00:35:29] you do that don't you?

[00:35:30] And I said yeah I do.

[00:35:31] And he goes well make sure that you have your medicine bag

[00:35:34] in your hand when you leave.

[00:35:37] So you know what he said kind of worried because he said when you

[00:35:42] leave your body there are,

[00:35:44] he didn't say demons.

[00:35:46] He just said,

[00:35:48] money do which are spirits.

[00:35:51] You know dark money do that are looking for any type of

[00:35:56] a whole spotty and so after he said that I was like,

[00:36:00] I was kept my medicine bag with me.

[00:36:05] You've also mentioned your boyfriend in actual form as well.

[00:36:11] Yes, this was actually this year I think it was in,

[00:36:16] when was it?

[00:36:17] It was either December of January.

[00:36:19] I haven't written down some more but I didn't write it in here like I wanted to.

[00:36:24] He was had been a really heavy drinker and had abstained from alcohol for

[00:36:31] a majority of or years at this point.

[00:36:36] And I came home from school and as soon as I opened the door I could smell

[00:36:42] the alcohol and I thought, oh no you know he's not like a normal drinker like,

[00:36:47] you know,

[00:36:48] he's like,

[00:36:49] we'll take a whole bottle and drink drink drink you know and it's scary.

[00:36:55] And I've seen that he was kind of passed out on the couch but he was like his legs were kind of

[00:37:00] twisted.

[00:37:01] And the way he was like, you know how somebody would sit down on like the arm of

[00:37:06] the chair and that just kind of fall over.

[00:37:08] So he was like his bottom was like kind of you know,

[00:37:12] propped up against the arm of the couch and his legs were like twisted and he was

[00:37:18] sleeping and I was,

[00:37:20] I had a chiropractor's appointment so I just grabbed, put my books down,

[00:37:25] grabbed some gas money and I left.

[00:37:27] You know I figured while he's not drinking and there was probably about a

[00:37:31] fifth of the bottle was gone and I left.

[00:37:37] And it was only about there half hour and when he would drink sometimes he would

[00:37:42] argue with me or get mad at me so I was coming back to the alleyway of the house

[00:37:48] because we parked the parking lot was in the back and I'm looking and I look up

[00:37:52] and I'm like, I'm going to get a kitchen window.

[00:37:53] I see him standing there.

[00:37:55] I see him he's running black t-shirt and he's just kind of gazing off.

[00:38:01] And the only thing I could think of was it was Mike Raven something because we had

[00:38:05] our microwave right there in the corner and he's staring at it.

[00:38:08] Just kind of this blank look on his face and I was like oh no.

[00:38:12] I don't want to go back.

[00:38:14] I don't want to argue.

[00:38:16] So the landlords were plowing the parking lot and they'd asked me can you park about a

[00:38:23] block over?

[00:38:24] And so I did but as I was getting out I seen one of the neighbors and her and I just

[00:38:29] started to chat.

[00:38:31] It was really cold that night it was probably about 15 below zero but I still stood

[00:38:35] outside and talked to her.

[00:38:37] That's how bad I didn't want to go back in that house.

[00:38:41] But I didn't really have you know anywhere to go.

[00:38:43] It was dark out it was winter.

[00:38:46] So after about 30 minutes of talking to her and it's like well minutes

[00:38:50] all inside they should be done by then so I walk inside the house open up the door,

[00:38:56] walk through can still smell alcohol.

[00:38:58] I come around the corner and he's still laying in that really strange position with his

[00:39:03] bum up against the arm of the chair and his legs all twisted.

[00:39:08] And I was that's not I just I was confused because I had just seen him standing

[00:39:16] in the kitchen 30 minutes ago.

[00:39:18] And you know most alcoholics when they pass out or anyone who's drinking and

[00:39:23] blacks out once twice but can you really end up in a position exactly the same

[00:39:30] is when you know exactly the same.

[00:39:33] It was just no that's not right.

[00:39:36] So I was checking on him and I happened to notice he had he was going to fixate

[00:39:43] on some vomit so I called 911 and they came and they were trying to when I was

[00:39:49] on the phone with 911 they're trying to get me to pull him off the couch and put

[00:39:54] him on the floor so that they could do CPR on him.

[00:39:57] And I was like no he's he he'll be skinny.

[00:40:01] He's got a kind of vomit in his mouth.

[00:40:04] I can't I don't want to pull him flat just tell something's telling me no.

[00:40:08] So when they finally did show up and they got him and I had asked him

[00:40:14] when he got when he was released and he came back to the house what were you thinking?

[00:40:20] Why were you doing that?

[00:40:22] And he basically said that he wanted to die that he was going to drink that

[00:40:27] whole bottle.

[00:40:28] And I think that they said his blood alcohol level was 0.5.

[00:40:33] So he was anybody else if anybody else a normal person you were I had drank

[00:40:40] and our blood level was that high we would be dead but because he was an

[00:40:44] alcoholic and his body and his brain were used to those levels he survived somehow

[00:40:50] but I think I even mentioned to his mom talked to her on the phone and told her what I had

[00:40:55] seen that night that I saw him standing in the kitchen.

[00:40:59] And I'm not you know she was very spiritual woman very religious and she first

[00:41:04] thinks she said was do you think he has a dark energy attachment?

[00:41:08] And I was like I don't know you know when they say spirit in a bottle I mean

[00:41:14] that they being literal I mean I know my medicine man tells me when you drink

[00:41:19] your spirit leaves your body for three to four days after you stop.

[00:41:26] So during that time you know people that drink will become depressed sad suicidal

[00:41:32] and he said that is because your body misses your spirits because there's nothing

[00:41:38] there that's why when you do ceremonies that they tell you not to drink before doing

[00:41:43] you know not don't drink four days five days before ceremony or doing

[00:41:49] a sweat and stuff because they they know what they're talking about.

[00:41:56] Is there anything else on this list that you would like to talk about that we didn't

[00:42:03] talk about already?

[00:42:04] Yes, like one of the things that I wanted to talk about I think it's right on

[00:42:10] the floor.

[00:42:11] I was 18 and it was 1991 and it was my first apartment after I moved out of my

[00:42:21] parents house and I had my son he was just a toddler and the story is dance with

[00:42:27] the devil and what it was was I had put him to sleep he had his own bedroom and I had

[00:42:35] had a mat with big basement apartment so I just kind of sectioned off my bedroom

[00:42:42] with some sheets you know because he's the baby you know just basically did it

[00:42:46] because I thought it was cool probably I don't know I was 18 and I put him to bed

[00:42:51] and I was watching TV and it was about 11 maybe midnight somewhere around there

[00:42:57] that seems to be my time is midnight and I started to kind of feeling like a little

[00:43:03] little anxiety and I had never felt that before so I was unsure what was up but as I was

[00:43:10] sitting there I started to feel very uncomfortable and I had like a stained glass window

[00:43:17] in one of the basement windows and I kept looking over at it and I just kept having this

[00:43:24] feeling like I was being watched.

[00:43:27] Well as a time got later and later I was scared to get out of the chair I was

[00:43:37] completely terrified and I don't know there was no reason for it there was no

[00:43:43] noises outside there was no dogs barking I lived on the outskirts of the

[00:43:47] midgie so I mean you know it was lived in a neighborhood and you know there were

[00:43:52] people houses round relatively close by so there was no reason for me to be scared

[00:43:58] but I just had this overwhelming feeling of evilness just I could almost feel it

[00:44:07] felt very oily like the air felt it was like thick and just feeling a harder

[00:44:13] to breathe which was also giving me more anxiety and I just started pacing the

[00:44:18] outskirts and I was pacing and I was like I know you know I'll grab my son

[00:44:24] and I'll leave of getting the car but I knew that it was outside and I didn't

[00:44:32] want to go out there because I was scared so I was in the bathroom and I was like what

[00:44:39] am I going to do and I just had this the terror and the terror where I

[00:44:46] I've never been scared ever in my life after that point of anything where I felt

[00:44:55] like there was just evil and it was coming for me and I could feel it I could

[00:45:00] feel the intention I could and then I started to like feel how am I going to

[00:45:07] get out of this how am I going to save my son and all of a sudden this idea popped

[00:45:12] in my head and I don't know where it came from because I'm not that kind of person

[00:45:17] it told me the only way that you could save him is if you kill him if you take his

[00:45:24] life and it was like yes that's what I'll do and then I was like whoa stop what

[00:45:32] no that's no no no no and that even scared me even more because it's like where did

[00:45:38] I just come from and why would it what I want I and the heck would I even say yes

[00:45:43] that's the solution I was all beyond fear at the point and I didn't know what to

[00:45:52] do and I just knew that I had to stay away from him stay out of his bedroom don't

[00:45:56] go near him you know and I went picked up the phone and I called my sister

[00:46:02] and to this day when you when I call her she never picks up the phone never never

[00:46:07] you always get her voicemail but that day she picked up the phone and this is well

[00:46:12] before cell phones and she was home sleeping and she's very religious she's

[00:46:18] a Baptist and I told her what was going on and I was like I'm scared I'm scared

[00:46:23] and like pray with me like get the Bible pray and I'm not a very religious person

[00:46:27] I'm just a person I'm consider myself to be more spiritual but I knew that I

[00:46:31] needed something and she's grabbed her Bible and she started praying with me

[00:46:37] and I was you know she I was a chute and all of them we do the Lord's prayer

[00:46:41] and stuff and we this one on for but I'd say about 40 minutes

[00:46:46] and that feeling I could feel it it was like somebody just lifting off of

[00:46:52] me that that oily darkness was just kind of going away and you know I

[00:47:02] I've never felt that again other than that apartment in Fargo when I felt it

[00:47:07] when something was looking at me but I think that I know I you know there's a

[00:47:14] lot of suicides with on the reservations and with Native Americans

[00:47:21] not just only Native Americans but then you start hearing with these stories

[00:47:25] we start going through these paranormal sites and people talking about you

[00:47:29] know or paranormal shows and they're like this young person was like felt

[00:47:35] like they were the like the Satan was coming for them or you know they

[00:47:41] were seeing demons before they killed themselves you know or anything

[00:47:49] and you'll start to realize when you when you notice this when you start

[00:47:53] to watch these shows or you start reading or 19 years old so I

[00:47:59] don't know this is just my theory on what had happened was that as a child

[00:48:05] you're not able to sell your soul and you're protected but when you get

[00:48:11] to the year round 17 18 19 you're not considered you know a child anymore

[00:48:17] you're considered an adult and therefore I'd be stark entities these demons

[00:48:21] these devils or whatever you want to call them come for us

[00:48:27] not just like specific you know I'm not saying what race more than the other

[00:48:35] but just young people and you know kind of makes you wonder what's all this

[00:48:41] and is it really are they really mentally disturbed or is there something else

[00:48:47] that's you know come for them but I thought my knowledge it was

[00:48:51] I have I had a lot of that to happen I've always seen in person because you know

[00:48:55] I laid hands on my child but I know that a lot of my friends or my ex has been

[00:49:01] in his best friend they have done what they considered to be an

[00:49:07] exorcism on someone and removing that dark entity took it into themselves so

[00:49:13] you know they're I'm not saying that they're evil about people they just suffer

[00:49:17] from a lot of addiction a lot of their friends that felt like this had happened

[00:49:22] to them are either dead or in prison and I think I took the opposite way

[00:49:29] because I know being a reiki practitioner a lot of my healing

[00:49:39] I can compound archangels to come and assist with the healing

[00:49:44] and people will feel that even if I don't tell them they will feel that

[00:49:49] and that light that white light and my reiki master was doing

[00:49:57] like a initiation when you first become a practitioner

[00:50:03] and I was scared I didn't know what to I was kind of scared so I ended up calling

[00:50:10] Archangel Michael for use is for protection and also use them during any type of

[00:50:16] normal investigation so for protection you know before an investigation

[00:50:21] detect yourself afterwards to protect yourself so nothing follows you home

[00:50:26] and he's I mean is there a reason why I can

[00:50:32] converse you know and use angels and what other people can take dark entities

[00:50:38] out and put them in themselves and what is that you know it's a sign of

[00:50:44] something to think about I know I think about it quite often very grateful for

[00:50:50] the sister answer to phone that night and my son is going to be 32 this year

[00:51:00] so 31 31 I'm making them a little bit of an ass

[00:51:08] so you've mentioned a few times already that you do investigations or why not

[00:51:13] so when I go into going to go into that next like what's all that

[00:51:22] intel how do you get into that or well you mentioned to me personally

[00:51:31] that you have got a new team going yes we can we can talk about that if you want

[00:51:39] sir well a pretty scene that I was on grew all female all Native American

[00:51:45] and I had this would be my that would have been my second group with a

[00:51:53] previous group of four of all females this group I it's me and another

[00:51:59] chairman my partner Tim and key is very an empath is a lot of sensitive

[00:52:09] I'm also an empath like Claire cognizant Claire audience and just extra

[00:52:17] you know extra centuries being I just feel that this was my calling just

[00:52:25] because my whole life I've always dealt with the paranormal I think I sent you a

[00:52:29] list and there was a total of eight houses that I've lived in that have been haunted

[00:52:35] and I was mentioning to that to my stepmother and she had paid did you ever

[00:52:41] think that maybe it's you and I just it was like mind blowing is it you know

[00:52:48] and and being an empath you know you have like this light and that's like a beacon

[00:52:54] for any type of paranormal entity good and bad and I've learned as I've gotten

[00:53:03] older and I've and I've become more in tune with spirit worlds and also my own

[00:53:08] spirituality you know the best thing you can do is just raise your vibration don't

[00:53:13] allow you know don't do bad you know I'm not saying you know I'm definitely not

[00:53:19] religious but you know just do on to others that makes total sense to me

[00:53:25] but I'm just interject here for a little bit I've done a few of these already

[00:53:32] and listening to the people's stories I've come to the conclusion that there's two types

[00:53:39] of hauntings it's haunted places and then there's haunted people and there's another lady

[00:53:45] that I talked with who she also because of what she went through she also got

[00:53:50] into Reyki and it was the first time I ever heard of it I had to ask her I was like

[00:53:55] what's what's this you know I've never heard of it before so she had explained to me

[00:53:59] what that was but I was been a healer of some sort and you know see my

[00:54:07] medicine man and I would tell him you know I think that I can heal people then

[00:54:13] he asked me a bunch of questions like well how does pain feel to you while

[00:54:17] I feel it like a heat and then I can close my eyes and put my hands over a certain

[00:54:24] part of someone's body and it's just like these lights go off even with my

[00:54:32] eye shut it's like like warning morning so then I will stop there you know and

[00:54:37] I had no idea what I was doing and when I wanted to go back to him to learn

[00:54:41] more he had passed away so the one thing that I did was I contacted a

[00:54:47] Reyki master in Fargo and I took a classes for level one and level two and it

[00:54:55] just made sense to me you know I was helped people I was helped them you

[00:55:00] know with aches and pains they're my kids and I'd say aside from getting sick

[00:55:06] once I've been healthy for like the last five years and people around me too

[00:55:14] will stay healthy and just I don't know what it is this blessed I guess but I'm

[00:55:21] not I'm not a healer I'm just a channel for the healing energies and just

[00:55:28] that's one of the things they teach you now don't put your ego into it you

[00:55:32] know it's they crash you your ego it's not you so personally I'm not a

[00:55:40] healer and just a very good channel I guess but the one thing that you're

[00:55:45] talking about our new paranormal group we haven't come up with our name just

[00:55:49] yet because their previous group was involved sisters and Tim and I are not

[00:55:55] brother or sister you know he's married and his wife is the opposite of him so

[00:56:03] it was hopefully that I could find somebody I've been looking for someone that

[00:56:07] can see spirits I can only sense them I can sense energy and I get feelings

[00:56:13] like when I go into a place I just I know I can even be outside of a house you

[00:56:18] know if I'm just visiting someone and it's like you have a spirit in your

[00:56:23] house and most of the time they're like how did you know you know can you do

[00:56:27] anything well that's that's the one thing that Tim and I agree on is not only

[00:56:32] do we go and investigate we're not there to prove the existence of spirits

[00:56:37] because we know they're there but majority of the time we go there so we want to

[00:56:41] like send these individuals into the light and send them on on their journey

[00:56:48] because nobody wants to get stuck in the same place for eternity and I know

[00:56:55] that Tim and I had talked about wanting to get into some of these

[00:56:58] residential schools around here and they find bodies of thousands of children

[00:57:04] that just never made it like back home to their families and disappeared and you

[00:57:10] know there's just a big mass grave in the woods somewhere when we want to be

[00:57:14] able to get in there and do some ceremonies and get them get them on their

[00:57:19] journey so that they're not trapped here so they can be reunited with their

[00:57:23] families because my parents grew up in boarding schools and you know hearing

[00:57:28] both of their stories and just thinking that if you know anybody that I know

[00:57:36] that went to a boarding school and never came home you know like to be reunited

[00:57:41] with them somewhere down the path so that's what we're trying to do I've contacted

[00:57:46] some of these schools and because of how emotional it is most of what we're

[00:57:51] turned by what we're turned by calls I've even gone as far as emailing Deb

[00:57:56] Elizabeth Haglund she's the deputy or interior secretary she's Native American

[00:58:07] I've emailed her in Washington asking you know is there any way that you would

[00:58:12] allow us to go in and to be able to have these children

[00:58:19] be sent off to the light so that they can reunite with their families I have

[00:58:24] an heard anything but it was a shot it was a shot in the dark but I think it is

[00:58:30] MEA weekend which is October 21st 22nd 23rd Tim and I are waiting for a

[00:58:38] verification that we can get into the no penny no penny no penny Sanitarium

[00:58:44] it's by Duluth I think it was on the travel channel destination fear one of

[00:58:50] the episodes there and we're going to bring some people that are not

[00:58:59] definitely in the paranormal investigation but would wanted to come and check

[00:59:05] it out so we're still looking for a third person for our group we just would

[00:59:11] like someone who can see spirits and you know that's a way better than an

[00:59:16] EMF detector and and help out you know we do house cleansing is two for anybody

[00:59:24] that has an issue I've had people contact me regarding entity attachments

[00:59:31] and being able to as a reeky practitioner you can remove these attachments so

[00:59:38] you know it's definitely way easier than going to the Catholic church and

[00:59:44] getting a priest to come be your house and you know most of the time you hear

[00:59:48] these horror stories of you know the person not making it because it's violent

[00:59:52] but with reeky it's very simplistic and it's beautiful so if we've something

[01:00:01] we'd like to work and do together

[01:00:04] all right so before I wrap this up there's one thing that I ask everybody so

[01:00:09] far so the reason one of the reasons why I'm doing this is for other people to

[01:00:17] educate themselves on the subject and have placed they can go and get advice

[01:00:25] kind of thing so if you were if you knew anybody who was in a similar situation

[01:00:32] and they didn't know what to do what advice would you give them for dis clarify

[01:00:39] would it like a attachment haunted house like yeah like so any of your

[01:00:47] experiences that you've had as someone else was having a similar situation

[01:00:51] what advice would you give them since you've already experienced it well if

[01:00:56] there if I'm close enough and I can make the drive I'm definitely I'm definitely

[01:01:01] going there and helping them because I remember what it was like when I was

[01:01:06] young I was experiencing all these paranormal phenomena and I just scared out of

[01:01:11] my wits to even like get off my bed you know or walk down the hallway in the

[01:01:17] dark or you know be home alone I know what it's like it's terrifying and you feel

[01:01:24] alone so alone and there's use just for you gonna call you know to come and

[01:01:31] help you you know there's usually not anyone but usually it was some people

[01:01:36] that I can't do I'll do like assume have them walk through the house with them

[01:01:42] you know because the pandemic you know you can't really you know social distancing

[01:01:49] so I would say just I would be the best sort of people to call would be people that are

[01:01:56] either in paranormal investigations but you know you see a lot of them they go

[01:02:00] in and they just yep that's on it and they leave you know for what people

[01:02:06] gonna do you know I my it's trying my best you know or and to be able to

[01:02:13] alleviate that fear and the terror of being scared and feeling like a prisoner in

[01:02:21] your own house and Tim and I just have we have the same mindset that we want to

[01:02:28] help people we want not only the living but also the spirits that are stuck

[01:02:36] here we want everyone to rise to where they're supposed to be not have to live

[01:02:43] in fear I want to give a very special thanks to Eve Howard for telling us her

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