Brat Pack Movies at 40: The History, the True Members, and the Ultimate 1980s Teen Film - The 80s Movie Podcast
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Brat Pack Movies at 40: The History, the True Members, and the Ultimate 1980s Teen Film - The 80s Movie Podcast

Look back at 40 years of the Brat Pack, the unofficial group of young actors whose films fundamentally defined 1980s teen culture. Host Edward Havens explores the origins of the infamous nickname from David Blum's 1985 New York Magazine cover story. We trace how media hype, intense friendships, and behind-the-scenes rivalries turned a handful of rising Hollywood stars into an iconic pop-culture movement. Dive deep into the ultimate debate over who actually qualifies as a true "Brat Packer" and who gets excluded. Learn why key actors like Andrew McCarthy and Rob Lowe spent decades pushing back against the label. We unpack the legacy of the core members and the surrounding circle of stars who continually shaped the era's definitive cinematic identity. Revisit a gauntlet of classic films including The Breakfast Club, St. Elmo's Fire, Pretty in Pink, Sixteen Candles, Weird Science, and The Outsiders. Edward tackles the ultimate question: what is officially the best Brat Pack movie of all time? Tune in to find out why the crown might not belong to the most obvious choice, and how this legacy still drives movie nostalgia forty years later.
From Santa Cruz, California, the entertainment capital of the Monterey Bay Peninsula, it's. The 80s Movie Podcast. I'm your host, Edward Havens. Thank you for listening today.
Yes, that is correct. For the first time in our six plus years of doing this show, we are on the road.
If I time this correctly, I will have this episode up on Saturday, August 16th, 2025, which happens to be the day of my high school's 40th class reunion. And that's important, at least to me, because the movie I'll be talking about today was filmed at my high school, weeks after I graduated. But I'm getting ahead of myself as I like to do.
Today's movie will also be the first made for an American television network movie that we've ever covered. For those of you under the age of 45, it's kind of like a made for Netflix movie, except they were often modestly budgeted films with slightly familiar or completely unknown actors, not the massively budgeted films with stars like Leonardo DiCaprio and Jennifer Lawrence or Eddie Murphy or Adam Sandler. Although one of the actors in today's movies would become one of the biggest stars on the planet, another would become a popular two-time Emmy award-winning actor, and yet another would become the main antagonist in one of the highest grossing movies of all time. And I can almost guarantee you don't know this film at all, if you even knew it existed.
The movie is the 1986 ABC television movie, Brotherhood of Justice.
But before I get into the history of the movie, I want to dedicate this episode to a friend from that high school, Tommy Malmin.
Tommy played one of the students at the high school in the movie and can be seen in several shots during the opening 10 or 15 minutes of the movie. Tommy was my first friend that I made at Aptos High when I started there in the 10th grade, on my 15th birthday no less. The best way I could describe the Tommy I got to know in high school, was that he was a human empathy machine. When you were around Tommy, he made sure that you knew you were seen and you were heard. He was kind when kindness was a liability. Gen X teens didn't have blogs or social media or other ways to communicate their frustrations about the world. So we took it out on each other. Tommy made that better for most of us. Tommy was also a nerd or a geek or a dweeb, whatever you want to call it.
He loved pro wrestling and he loved comic books, again, at a time when being a fan of these things publicly was a liability for a GenX teenager. But worst of all for Tommy, he tried too hard to be accepted when he didn't really need to try at all. Tommy and I were in a number of classes together during our nearly three years together at Aptos, including in drama class every semester. Tommy was weird, but we all were in drama class. But he was amongst his own people. But he still tried to be accepted. During my junior year of high school, me and a few of my buddies, including Dick Hollywood, Beach and Todd Downing, decided we were going to start a band. Dick would sing, I'd play my stepdad's backup guitar and play pretty much the three punk power chords every would-be guitarist learns. Todd would play my bass and Beach would program the drum machine.
Tommy, despite not knowing how to play any instrument, really wanted to be a part of the band. So badly, in fact, that he went out and bought himself a pretty decent drum kit in the hopes that we would let him join us. But about the only thing that he would ever learn to play on the drums was the opening drum riff from Rush's Tom Sawyer. And to say he was no Neil Peart is an understatement. We very quickly went back to the drum machine, but the band would never amount to anything. I would lose touch with Tommy after we graduated, although he would occasionally pop up back in my life very briefly for the next several years.
The last time I would see or speak to him was just before the 4th of July in 1992, when he came down to Los Angeles to pick up my roommate Dick to go on a fishing expedition somewhere in Utah or Wyoming. I don't remember. I hate fishing.
I wasn't invited and I had to work at the theaters all week. Tommy and Dick got into some kind of argument outside of Santa Fe, New Mexico. Tommy ended up dumping Dick and his stuff just outside of town and drove off, never to be seen again, at least by me. Tommy did not from all accounts have a great life. More losses than wins, more downs than ups. What I do know is the sense of loss I felt when I saw the Facebook Messenger message this past February from a mutual friend of ours telling me that Tommy had died from a pulmonary thrombin. It's been more than six months and I still find it hard to believe I won't see him at the reunion tonight, if he would have ever even gone. Tommy, you were seen, you were heard, and in our weird Gen X ways, you were loved and you are missed.
Thank you for indulging me for a moment.
As always, we need to hop back in time for a story that is very personal to me and has absolutely nothing to do with me.
In the spring of 1985, seventeen-year-old Ed was itching to get back to Los Angeles to break into film production, so much so that the day after I graduated, I already had all my worldly possessions packed up and I was driving down Highway 101 for what I imagined would be my triumphant entry into the Hollywood film industry. What I did not know at the time was that the Hollywood film industry was literally coming to my high school a few weeks later.
The Brotherhood of Justice, originally written by first-time screenwriter Noah Jubileer, was inspired by a group of high school students in Fort Worth, Texas, who took it upon themselves to terrorize suspected vandals and thieves at their school. The group that included a football star, the class' future valedictorian, one of the members of the yearbook committee, and a member of the National Honor Society called themselves the Legion of Doom, and would eventually move on to breaking into lockers, firebombing a car, beating up several of the "gay" students at school, painting swastikas and neo-Nazi slogans on school walls, hurling homemade Molotov cocktails at a suspected Vandal's house, and taunting black citizens of their neighborhood with crude racial epitaphs, as well as acquiring more than two dozen weapons for their crusade, including a Magnum handgun, an HK-91 assault rifle, and a rocket launcher before they were finally arrested. A grand jury in Fort Worth would hit the members of the Legion of Doom with more than 30 felony and misdemeanor charges, with one of the most damning pieces of evidence being the videotapes they made of themselves performing these crimes.
A salacious true-life story like this was always going to get notice in Hollywood, and their story would inspire more than one movie. One of those projects would become The Brotherhood of Justice, while another, Albert Pyun's Dangerously Close, would take a slasher script that had been sitting around Canon Films for a few years called "Terror at Miller High," and rework it into a similar vigilante story.
Certainly, there were other incidents of student vigilantism gone wrong around America in the mid 1980s, including one where a group of students in Santa Barbara viciously beat up and repeatedly stabbed a local derelict, and then invited their friends to watch as that man died. And in Santa Cruz in 1984, there was a similar group of student vigilantes from Soquel High, who called themselves the Trollbusters, who would prey upon the homeless population of downtown Santa Cruz, especially on the outdoor Pacific Garden Mall. The members of their group would, like the Legion of Doom, build a homemade bazooka, and they would end up blowing off the arm of a local resident who was not a homeless person.
In a May 1986 Los Angeles Times article about the rush of teen vigilante movies, both the producers of The Brotherhood of Justice and Dangerously Close swore up and down that their respective projects were in development before the incidents in Fort Worth were reported on. And the public information officer for the Fort Worth Police Department at the time said that, in the article, they had received a number of phone calls from Hollywood producers about the incident, including from former Starsky and Hutch star Paul Michael Glazer, who himself was in the middle of developing his 1986 film Band of the Hand, about five teen juvenile delinquents who were forced together to clean up a dangerous part of Miami or spend the rest of their lives in prison.
Filming on The Brotherhood of Justice would begin in late June 1985, all around Santa Cruz and neighboring Watsonville, as well as several days at Aptos High. What I didn't know was that Judy Boulay, the local casting agent for the movie, who helped cast local actors for other Santa Cruz-based movie shoots, including Sudden Impact, Lost Boys and Killer Klowns from Outer Space, had started casting for student-actors weeks before I graduated and not just at Aptos High. Several of my future co-workers at the Del Mar Theatre who attended Santa Cruz High would be contacted about playing extras in the film, and they confirmed to me in the last couple days, this happened weeks before their school year ended. And as fate would have it, Judy lived next door to my best friend and future roommate, Dick Hollywood. So how I never learned about this movie happening in my literal backyard during the pre-production stage before I graduated and left, I'll never know.
Today, I can look back and lament, but I was very angry with my friends who knew about it at the time, and let me leave anyway.
In The Brotherhood of Justice, the eponymous group begins as an attempt by several students to end vandalism and drug sales in and near their high school. But as they become somewhat successful in their actions, they end up becoming worse than the original problem. As their targets expand to include anybody who irritated them for any reason. Their actions escalate to car bombings and attempted murder.
As I mentioned towards the start, most of the actors working on The Brotherhood of Justice were not very well known at the time of their casting.
The best known member of the cast was Joe Spano, who at the time had been playing Lieutenant Goldblum on the popular NBC series Hill Street Blues for five years. Spano plays the principal of the high school, who's opening speech to the seniors about stepping up his role models to the younger students of school, which happens roughly 15 minutes into the movie, inadvertently sets up the creation of The Brotherhood and their ever escalating vigilante actions.
The organizer of The Brotherhood, Derek, would be played by a 20-year-old newcomer named Keanu Reeves. Reeves would be cast in his first starring role here in only his second movie, after playing a goalie in the Rob Lowe-Patrick Swayze hockey movie Youngblood, which would arrive in theaters four months before The Brotherhood of Justice would air.
Laurie Loughlin, playing Derek's girlfriend, Christy, had already been seen in movies like Amityville 3D and Secret Admirer, and was featured on the theatrical release poster for The New Kids, a thriller directed by original Friday the 13th director Sean S. Cunningham.
Victor, who works at a local pizza parlor and becomes the target of The Brotherhood because of a non-sexual friendship with Christy, is played by Keith Sutherland. Sutherland had starred in the 1985 Canadian drama The Bay Boy, but was still pretty much only known at the time as the son of Donald Sutherland. He would of course return to Santa Cruz several months after the filming of The Brotherhood of Justice to play the main vampire antagonist David in The Lost Boys.
The other members of The Brotherhood would include Billy Zane, whose film debut as Match in Back to the Future would come out during the shooting of this film.
Darren Daulton, who had already been seen on screens as Randy the Soc in The Outsiders, and Daryl, the son of the mayor in the original Red Dawn.
Don Michael Paul, who had just finished shooting his role as an almost identical character in Albert Pyun's Dangerously Close.
Gary Riley, who would become better known in 1987 as Dave in Summer School, as part of Chainsaw and Dave.
And Danny Nucci, who had only played a small role in Joe Dante's underrated 1985 sci-fi comedy Explorers, but would become better known in the 1990s for playing supporting characters who often got killed off in movies like The Rock, Eraser and Titanic.
Peter Guber and John Peters, who would parlay their working relationship into an eventual co-chairmanship role at Sony Pictures in 1989, would executive produce the movie, and it would make its world premiere as the ABC Sunday Night Movie on May 18th, 1986.
Last year, when I started planning this episode, I reached out to the movie's director, Chuck Braverman, to speak with him about the making of the film, but we never quite connected.
The movie was released on VHS in 1987 and on DVD in 2003, but in August of 2025 can be seen for free or supported by ads in an upgraded high definition version on many streaming services, including Amazon Prime, Fandango at Home, Fubo, Plex and the Roku Channel. It's about 93 minutes long and it's an okay movie. The fun for me is seeing my old high school and lots of my friends and classmates all over this movie, but especially seeing Keanu using my old locker, which I shared with Scotty Douglas for nearly three years.
Thank you for joining us. We'll talk again soon.
Remember to visit this episode's page on our website, the80smoviepodcast.com, for extra materials about The Brotherhood of Justice, including screenshots from the movie, as well as personal behind the scenes photos from my friends who were kind enough to share them with me.
The 80s Movie Podcast has been researched, written, narrated and edited by Edward Havens for idiosyncratic entertainment.
Thank you again.
Good night.