Dennis The Menace Raider BTK by Gore Report

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[00:06:02] because woo wee. I'm not ready. So this is week five of six weeks of suffering. The last three weeks in particular were extremely heavy. The Columbine episodes definitely stuck with me a bit I'm still recovering you did incredible. Thank you. Like I'm sure we are all

[00:06:24] very much still recovering from that and I wish that I could say that we were going to take a mental health break today or maybe do something a little less horrible but unfortunately we are not.

[00:06:36] No I am only going to gradually decrease the vibe further. My episode today will be part one of two and we're going to be talking about Dennis Rader or as he's also known as the BTK killer.

[00:06:53] This man truly gets under my skin. I'm telling you like with some of the killers and stuff that we've covered on this show you'd think that they'd all have this effect on me but that's

[00:07:03] not exactly the case. I mean don't get me wrong I think they're all horrible monsters and I can't stand any of them but there's some things and layers to Dennis Rader that just I don't even know

[00:07:13] how to really explain it he just really really makes me angry like I won't even lie I struggled putting this episode together because I was just completely over it before I even started. Oh no. So like yeah Dennis is truly insufferable.

[00:07:30] Whew. Another fun fact for you Dennis Rader was the very first serial killer I ever learned about several years ago even though he makes me sick to my stomach with rage his case still fascinates

[00:07:43] and terrifies me nonetheless so let me give you a very brief overview if you aren't familiar with this case then I want you to have an idea of who Dennis is before we jump into everything

[00:07:53] and the reason why he hates him so much it's going to be awful uh you can consider this part of the intro a vibe check per se oh no so Dennis Rader is an American serial killer who terrorized

[00:08:07] the city of Wichita, Kansas for decades he committed his first murders in 1974 and his last murder in 1991 so in that 17 year period Dennis Rader claimed the lives of 10 people two of which

[00:08:21] were children under the age of 12 years old oh my god yeah and children children I thought it was just grown-ups no he killed two kids and crazy enough it took another 14 years after

[00:08:34] his last murder in 1991 for him to get caught and identified by police so his reign of terror lasted for about 30 years before he was caught yeah it took that long now some other things to know about Dennis is that he's a complete narcissist and an attention seeker you'll

[00:08:53] see that very clearly as we make it through this story he actually named himself BTK which if you don't know BTK stands for bind them torture them kill them oh fuck but the media did not give that

[00:09:07] name to him he named himself because he thought he was just so badass and he deserved his own serial killer name type shit like he's a little fucking douchebag is what he is like what we

[00:09:17] were talking about in the 70s where everybody was getting these cool serial killer names supposedly you know that's what I'm saying but at least other killers like you know like Gary Ridgway the green river killer Richard Ramirez at least the media gave them their names that's not

[00:09:32] the case here Dennis literally named himself I mean he is a narcissist this is what narcissists do like he really thought of himself as one of the greats when it came to serial killing but

[00:09:44] he also had like no originality at the same time he took inspiration from other serial killers when he planned his crimes such as Bundy for example and Dennis also wanted his very own

[00:09:55] murder barn murder bar murder bar he wanted a fucking murder barn I'm telling you he is the dumbest of dumb asses a murder barn yes um another thing that made Dennis quite famous was his

[00:10:10] game of cat and mouse that he played with the police throughout the 30 year span it took for him to get caught he was writing letters to the police back and forth he was planting clues around

[00:10:21] town for them to find just all kinds of crazy shit and we're definitely going to get into all of it wow he tried his hardest to come across as this super genius killer mastermind but he wasn't

[00:10:33] I think that the media made him out to be far more intelligent and calculated than he actually was well I mean sensationalism you know and although I will be roasting this idiot

[00:10:45] throughout my episode I don't want to take away from what he did at the same time I don't want to take away from the families and the people that he destroyed he may be a complete dumbass

[00:10:57] in cookie cutter in a lot of ways but this man still very much committed some truly heinous crimes and I do believe wholeheartedly that he is evil even more than he is stupid so Dennis

[00:11:11] Raider was a family man and a pillar in his community he lived at home with his wife and two children he was a husband and a dad he was a Boy Scout leader and he was an extremely

[00:11:21] active member of the Christ Lutheran church in Wichita he completely had this facade that he was this good great all-american man but he wasn't behind closed doors he was nothing short of an absolute monster and not only did he commit these absolutely awful crimes but he hid

[00:11:38] his crimes in this whole double life from his family no one knew anything and the eyes of his family Dennis was just this wonderful loving father and husband no one had any idea that's

[00:11:52] the part that scares me the most about people like you could literally have a whole another side of you like a whole another alter ego just out here doing fuckery you wouldn't you would never know

[00:12:06] God so his daughter Carrie Rosson wrote a book about her experience growing up with Dennis as a father and how it impacted her greatly when she learned the truth of what he had done oh wow

[00:12:19] the name of her book is called a serial killer's daughter my story of faith love and overcoming I will be leaving a link in the show notes if you would like to purchase yourself a copy so

[00:12:29] be sure to check that out I just couldn't imagine what you know she and her family went through I mean one day he's this great loving father and you have all of these fond memories with him and then

[00:12:39] the next you learn that he's this sadistic fucking killer who was responsible for taking the lives of 10 people over three decades and I I only imagined that that could make you ask the question of whether them being a good father was real or whether it was manipulation like

[00:12:55] that is so scary I wouldn't know what to do with any of that and in a lot of ways I think his family are also victims and all of this because he hid this from them they had no idea in just the

[00:13:07] shock of that after so long like his children were grown yeah when they found out that their father was BTK wow so they went their whole lives with their dad and then just to find this

[00:13:19] out it's just fucking crazy as far as my sources for this case go I used quite a few but there is one source in particular that I would like to shout out and it's another book it's called

[00:13:31] confessions of a serial killer the untold story of Dennis Rader the BTK killer and it's by Catherine Ramsland okay if you don't know who she is Catherine is an author and professor of forensic psychology and criminal justice at DeSales University and she's very often referred to

[00:13:48] as an expert when it comes to the topic of serial killers she also spent a significant amount of time studying Dennis Rader she interviewed him extensively and worked with him extensively so her book on the case is absolutely amazing like she goes way deep into her own psychological

[00:14:06] analysis and just like everything and there's a lot of things in her book that came straight from the mouth of Dennis Rader himself it's a lot of his first hand accounts wow so it's a

[00:14:17] yeah it's a fantastic resource for this case her book wasn't my main source but I for sure did read and use parts of it because I think hearing things right from the source is important so I will have

[00:14:28] some quotes and stuff from Dennis as we progress through everything so again yeah I just wanted to shout that out if you'd like to grab a copy of that book I will also leave a link in the

[00:14:38] show notes for that and yeah I guess now that that's all out of the way we can dive into the world of uh Dennis the menace rater it's gonna be a really shitty ride it's gonna be a real

[00:14:51] shitty ride you did not just name this man Dennis the menace oh yeah I did because he's nothing sort of that he's a stupid fucking menace I need to find out more information on that particular

[00:15:11] day the 15th day of January 1974 can you tell me where you went to kill mr Joseph Otero 1834 it's more you were engaged in some kind of fantasy during this period of time

[00:15:29] I mean yes sir now when you use the term fantasy is this something you are doing for your personal pleasure sexual fantasy sir btk was literally the guy next door with a wife and two kids

[00:15:42] I had never strangled anyone before so I really didn't know how much pressure you had to put on a person or how long it would take nobody answered the door so I went around the back of the

[00:15:51] house so I kept the phone lines I could tell that there wasn't anybody in the north department broke in and waited for her to come home in the kitchen what happened then uh finally got the

[00:16:03] hand on her and got a nylon sock and started strangling her yes nobody would have imagined this church leader this father this good husband as somebody that could even contemplate

[00:16:18] the murders that he committed I totally forgot to say this earlier too but for part one of this case I want to take you guys through his early life which wasn't all that eventful actually but there

[00:16:32] are some notes to take from it and I also want to go through his first seven murders so yeah it's going to be a rough ride then next week for part two we will go through his

[00:16:43] last three murders we're going to get into his famous game of cat and mouse with the authorities him getting caught his trial just all of that stuff next week will be the conclusion

[00:16:54] of this case thank goodness this is not going to be a three-parter like I promise oh man so you're like I am so done with you yeah I know we're not doing that this two parts I am not spending

[00:17:08] three weeks talking about your ass no definitely not so let's begin Dennis Lynn Raider was born to his parents William Elvin Raider and Dorothea May Cook Raider on March 9th 1945 in the town of

[00:17:23] Pittsburgh Kansas he was the oldest of four boys his younger siblings are Paul Jeff and Bill Raider and Dennis and his siblings would grow up in Wichita now as I said Dennis really didn't have a

[00:17:36] crazy childhood with most serial killers or people that grow up to commit extremely violent crimes nine times out of ten you'll find that said person had a horrible childhood filled to the

[00:17:47] brim with abuse and you know whatever else you see that often and trauma sustained from abuse during childhood will most of the time play a big part in things but this is not the case with Dennis

[00:17:58] Raider he did not experience any of that it is said that Dennis and his younger siblings all had a pretty good relationship with their parents Dennis nor any of his siblings ever claimed

[00:18:09] that they were abused in any way and from everything that they've said plus what I've been able to find William and Dorothea seemed to be good parents so Dennis's father William he was a U.S. Marine

[00:18:22] and he for sure was strict with his children but not violently abusive he was no more strict than any other kids dad wasn't that time period I don't think you know I mean you remember

[00:18:33] what I said about the teachings of Uncle Sam right at home right right I mean everybody was strict and that seems to be the case here not violently abusive but there was order wow there's really

[00:18:45] nothing significant to note with that um his mother Dorothea she worked as a bookkeeper and she also had a knack for mathematics and these are traits that Dennis would claim later in

[00:18:56] his life that he got from his mom his love of math and the ability to be good with numbers Dennis was described as being very quiet and very shy when he was a kid he didn't start to break out

[00:19:07] of his shell until his early 20s he definitely wasn't as social as the other kids and his childhood again for the third time I mean it was pretty average it only got really fucking weird and

[00:19:18] twisted because Dennis made it that way so Dennis claimed later in his life that he started torturing and killing animals at a very young age he would take cats and dogs and he'd strangle them to death and sometimes god yeah and sometimes he would hang these animals

[00:19:35] and he was only a kid like a couple of years old and he's doing this shit and it gets weirder much weirder there was another instance when Dennis was very young I'm thinking maybe seven

[00:19:45] or eight years old but he was at home one day with his mom and his mom's ring got caught on a spring in their couch and she started panicking because she couldn't get her finger loose

[00:19:56] so she's crying and she's freaking out and she's telling Dennis you know go get help like I'm stuck I'm stuck and Dennis described in his own words later that seeing his mom in this helpless situation

[00:20:07] where she was afraid and panicking gave him the first feelings of sexual arousal Dennis later attributed this experience to how his sinister fantasies and impulses began to take shape he started developing fantasies involving women being in completely vulnerable and helpless

[00:20:24] situations as a child Dennis said that he was also aroused when he was spanked and as he grew older he developed a habit of binding himself with rope while he masturbated and like in a autoerotic

[00:20:39] asphyxiation kind of way yes and the whole connection between his dark fantasies and sex stayed with him later on when he actually starts killing people Dennis specifically named the orgasms he would have while he was killing people do you want to know what he named them

[00:20:57] oh god do you want to know are you ready yeah sparky big time what the fuck he was having lots of sparky big time yeah what what yeah how the fuck this is the kind of person we're dealing with

[00:21:16] sparky oh oh sparky big time it's so fucking awful like I'm just I just can't help but roast him like that's the stupidest shit I've ever heard in my life bitch the fucking the visual that I just

[00:21:29] got in my brain I am he is so dumb now going back to the family dynamic in the home life there are some people out there that do believe Dennis was abused in some horrific way I mean

[00:21:46] how else can you explain what he grew up to do right yeah so this quote is from a psychologist and professor at Gulf Coast University Terence G leary he helps lead one of the largest databases

[00:21:59] on serial killers and in a interview posted by heavy.com he expressed that he believes Dennis was subjected to some form of extreme abuse he said quote Dennis Rader has been an enigma to

[00:22:12] many of us in the field because I don't think the people who claim to be experts are regarding Dennis and I'll tell you why they say he was squeaky clean oldest of four boys very traditional

[00:22:22] parents traditional family went to school did the right things etc so there were no clues end quote then leary further states in this same interview quote he was terribly cruel to animals he also engaged in mutilations of some degree he would torture to a large degree his victims

[00:22:39] all 10 of them intense torture really really cruel torture and he would get some close to death and then revive them so they could live this horrific experience again and he would do that

[00:22:50] simultaneously it's not only a very evil heinous act but it is driven by someone who is exposed to horrific abuse so something is hidden here this is a puzzle not all is meeting the eye here

[00:23:03] end quote so I definitely think those quotes are interesting and it presents another side of perception into the matter given what Dennis Rader did in the kind of monster he grew up

[00:23:13] to be it's hard for us to wrap our minds around how someone could you know turn out like that seemingly out of nowhere right right and ultimately we won't know exactly what Dennis's life was like

[00:23:24] because we are him and we didn't live his life there are just no records no reports no anything that would point to him or any of his siblings being abused Dennis himself even said that he

[00:23:35] wasn't abused at all he only held a slight grudge against his mother because she didn't pay him enough attention I'm not completely erasing the possibility that he was abused I'm just saying

[00:23:46] from what it looks like and from what I could find it seriously doesn't seem like he was wow and I am in no way a forensic psychologist and I am not an expert on any of this but I do believe

[00:23:58] that those quotes from leary slightly touch on what I was saying in the intro about how I think a lot of media coverage on Dennis made him out to be so much more calculated

[00:24:08] and intelligent than he really was yeah and when Larry spoke about how Dennis would strangle someone to the point of death and then he would revive them and bring them back then strangle them again you

[00:24:18] know that whole thing I will touch on it more when we get there but I want to go ahead and say that Dennis didn't do that as in he wasn't in control enough nor smart enough to literally

[00:24:29] strangle someone to the point of death and then bring them back in this calculated manner he just didn't do it does he have any type of medical experience no no not at all then but the thing is

[00:24:41] like you hear people bring that up all the time but Dennis Raiders said in his own words that when he strangled his victims that he didn't know how to do it he said the reason his victims kept

[00:24:52] quote coming back so to say was because he was failing to strangle them correctly he greatly underestimated how hard it was to strangle someone to death so it wasn't a matter of him being this super calculated psychopath but rather he was a complete fucking dumbass that

[00:25:08] didn't know what he was doing and I'll definitely you know bring it up again when we get into his murders but I just wanted to throw that in real quick that he didn't do that but I mean like

[00:25:18] how do you really know what you're doing when you're trying to kill someone I mean true but I guess the only comment I have for that like killing is fucking horrible all serial killers

[00:25:28] are horrible but when you see Dennis and you hear how he went about things he was so not fucking organized or with it like several other killers are with it and I hate to put it

[00:25:40] that way but he is just the sariest excuse for a fucking person and a killer like he just did not know what he was doing straight up he did it and you're going to see that time and time

[00:25:50] again the proof that he did not know what he was doing. Continuing on the ring incident with his mom was only the beginning of the bizarre shit that Dennis would do. Aside from torturing animals he also started developing gradually more intense and violent fantasies involving control,

[00:26:08] bondage and asphyxiation. Dennis as a child also had an obsession with an actress named Annette Funichello who was one of the Mouse Keteers in the original Mickey Mouse Club series that ran in the 1950s. Oh wow. Dennis was just completely obsessed with her and he started

[00:26:24] cutting out pictures of her and he would draw ropes and other various things over her picture and then he would like keep it. Sorry bro that's a little fucking weird. It's a little fucking weird

[00:26:36] and as he got older he started doing this thing where he'd cross dress in clothing items that he stole from his victims or people's houses and he would wear them. He would also wear like this

[00:26:48] I guess you could call it a woman mask type thing. Okay. But he would wear all these garments and nightgowns and underwear and shit and he would wear the mask and then he would tie himself up with rope

[00:27:01] and he would pose in various positions. He was acting as his victims basically. He'd even put bags over his head with belts around his neck and just everything and he would photograph himself

[00:27:13] so he could then use these pictures later as a spank bank. I mean listen if cross dressing is your thing I mean clothes are just clothes right they don't have a gender but like if cross dressing

[00:27:27] is your thing then by all means go for it dude but this guy in particular this is kind of fucking weird bro. But that's what I'm saying about Dennis you look at that and it's like the cross

[00:27:37] dressing is not the weird part of this. It's literally everything else. It's the posing yeah it's the posing as the victims and trying to suffocate himself and he's posing in these

[00:27:47] photographs so he can then masturbate to himself. I just had an image of Dennis Rader with a Walmart bag over his head. Like it's I'm telling you it's fucked up like I will show you some of these

[00:28:00] pictures they're really really just unsettling. The vibe is not likable. And this next part is pretty fucked up going back you know on the story of his childhood. I'm not sure if he was

[00:28:12] in elementary school or maybe even middle school when this happened but there was an incident where Dennis was at school and his teacher called him out for misconduct and he took it personally he felt like his teacher had humiliated him essentially so that same day Dennis went to

[00:28:29] her house where he watched her through her window and when she started to undress Dennis took out a rope that he brought with him he tied it around his neck choking himself and then he masturbated

[00:28:42] until he climaxed. No what? What? Yeah and that's also a thing that he did like I mentioned briefly earlier he developed like young he was tying himself up in masturbating and trying to you know choke

[00:28:58] himself out and crazy shit so yeah he went and watched his teacher and he just you know did it did his thing it's fucking weird and again he was young so he's killing and hanging animals

[00:29:12] he's becoming a peeping Tom he's doing this you know stealing women's underwear and trying to tie himself up while wearing things you know it's really weird shit got weird really quickly

[00:29:25] and as Dennis got older he hid all of this from his parents and his siblings and the few friends that he had no one knew that he was doing any of this quick side note there is no kink shaming here but

[00:29:37] like in this regard it's it's really yeah it's weird it's weird it's weird it's weird you're listening to an episode of gore report on true crime by indy dropin we're gonna take a quick

[00:29:49] break and now back to this episode of gore report yeah it's definitely all weird like no kink shaming but you should not be watching people through their windows a that's creepy

[00:30:02] that's like the first thing and like I don't know it's just there's a lot of elements that like make that weird there's a lot of weird here maybe you shouldn't be watching people through their fucking windows Dennis maybe you shouldn't be stealing their underwear and in this other

[00:30:17] weird shit Dennis like I don't know she humiliated me so let me go hide in the bushes and tie a rope around my neck and sparky big time it's sparking big time it's fucking insane i'm telling you so

[00:30:30] Dennis would go on to graduate from Wichita Heights High School in 1963 and over the next year after that he worked at a grocery store in the year 1965 Dennis enrolled in the Kansas West

[00:30:42] Leon College in Selena which was too far away from Wichita for him to live at home so he ended up going to this school for two semesters and then he dropped out that following summer in 1966 at the

[00:30:55] age of 21 years old Dennis joined the U.S. Air Force and he would serve for four years now when Dennis joined the Air Force he did his basic training out in San Antonio, Texas and then

[00:31:07] after that he spent some time stationed at the Shepherd Air Force Base in Wichita Falls I believe in 1967 he was also stationed in Mobile or Mobile Alabama I think for two years and from 1968 to 1970 Dennis was actually stationed all over the world in places such as Turkey, Japan,

[00:31:28] Greece and even Korea so yeah they kind of had him all over the place for a bit man during his four-year service in the Air Force Dennis received the rank of sergeant and he also received the

[00:31:40] Air Force good conduct medal, the national defense medal and the small arms expert marksmanship medal through his service he upheld a few different duties but he mainly worked with antenna installations in the year 1970 Dennis was discharged from active service and he returned back to Wichita

[00:31:58] he was 25 years old when he left the Air Force okay within a year of moving back home to Wichita Dennis met a woman named Paula Deets and they met at the Christ Lutheran church that he went to

[00:32:11] they hit it off pretty quickly and on May 22nd 1971 the two got married and then they moved out to a suburb in Wichita called Park City to settle down and over time Dennis and Paula

[00:32:22] ended up having two children together Brian and Carrie okay over the first two years of his marriage Dennis would work for a supermarket and he also worked for a short time at the Coleman Company

[00:32:35] which was a very large outdoor and camping supply chain in Wichita in July of 1973 Dennis went on to get his dream job which was working for an aircraft manufacturing company called Cessna

[00:32:48] and Dennis absolutely loved this job and from what I understand he did pretty good at it but he only worked for Cessna for a few months before he was laid off and this was a huge blow to Dennis

[00:33:00] he was extremely angry and upset about losing his job with Cessna he said in his own words that getting laid off from this job is what motivated him to go through with his first

[00:33:10] home invasion oh wow he literally broke in to someone's house on the same day he got fired from Cessna and he claimed that he was angry at the system and he just wanted to do

[00:33:21] something deviant to release his frustrations which I honestly think that's a load of bullshit in my opinion he was clearly going down a horribly dark path before he got this job at Cessna I think he's just trying to make an excuse for himself by blaming his behavior on

[00:33:39] him losing his job and trying to justify it yeah exactly he was very much a monster before any of this happened just keep that in mind so after Cessna his next job which he had long term

[00:33:50] was installing home security systems for ADT Dennis Rader was going into people's homes and installing security systems and he got this job after he started killing people so that's a little scary to think about like the man that this whole community is terrified of

[00:34:09] is the same man installing security systems into people's homes to keep them safe and knowing every single blind spot there is right and Dennis got a kick out of that and you'll see as we go forward

[00:34:22] that he had this thing with trying to fool his victims into thinking they were safe it's like this whole fucked up thing he had where he loved installing security systems and seeing

[00:34:33] the layouts of these people's homes because he knew he could then later come back and do what he wanted to do he just got like a thrill out of it that's it I don't trust anybody I'm telling you

[00:34:44] and uh he started working for ADT after he committed his fifth murder in 1974 oh my god so I'm just throwing that in but back to that main story it would be just a few months after getting laid

[00:35:01] off from Cessna in 1974 that Dennis would commit his first murders and that's unfortunately what we're about to get into but before we do I just want to warn everyone that it is about to be rough

[00:35:15] like really really rough I don't want any of you going in blind to this Dennis Rader's first murder was a quadruple homicide damn he brutally murdered four members of the Otero family

[00:35:30] and two of the four victims were children ages nine and eleven and it is just brutal like I don't mean brutal as in blood and gore because Dennis wasn't that type of killer but like still it is absolutely

[00:35:44] evil in barbaric so I just wanted to let you guys know that before I start telling you everything this is really not something I want you guys to be uh blindsided by because it's that bad

[00:35:55] so let me introduce you to the Otero family they had just moved to Wichita a few months before the murders took place in 1974 the family consisted of Julie Otero who was 34 at the time her husband

[00:36:09] Joseph Otero who was 38 and their five children Charlie Danny Carmen Joseph Jr. and Josephine Joseph Otero had worked in the Air Force from the time he was 18 years old and before he moved his family to Kansas they were living in Puerto Rico in 1973 Joseph retired from the Air

[00:36:29] Force as a master sergeant and in the fall of that same year he moved his family out to Wichita the family lived in a single family home located at 803 North Edgemore Street and Dennis watched

[00:36:40] this family for weeks leading up to when he attacked them and that's another thing to know about Dennis when he would stalk his victims he called it trolling trolling like trolling I trolled literally his whole process of looking for potential victims included prowling

[00:37:03] trolling and then stalking because he's a fucking loser so Dennis would often drive his wife Paula to and from work and one day while he was out driving around trolling stupid fuck he saw Julie Otero and he became completely infatuated with her so he started stalking her

[00:37:24] he followed her home saw where she lived and over a period of several weeks he watched her in her family he learned their routines their schedules and he slowly started to plan out

[00:37:35] what he was going to do now his original idea was to only murder Julie that's all he wanted to do he didn't plan on committing a quadruple homicide but he just kind of fumbled into it and that's

[00:37:49] what happened oh god the murders took place on January 15th 1974 Dennis went to the library early that morning to get the Otero's phone number and he called them several times before

[00:38:02] going to their house he wanted to hear Julie answer the phone to make sure that she was there wow and then he arrived at the Otero home a little after eight in the morning he did this shit in the morning early in the morning yes eight o'clock

[00:38:21] Dennis jumped the fence in the backyard and as he started approaching the house he noticed that there were dog paw prints in the snow and this scared him a little bit because he didn't account for a dog being present he considered ditching his plan for a few seconds

[00:38:38] but then very sadly he just continued onward he'd made up his mind that he was going to go in anyway he didn't care and the first thing he did after he made up his mind to go through with this plan

[00:38:50] was to immediately cut the phone line with a pair of wire cutters he didn't want Julie calling for help so Dennis came prepared for the attack he was wearing his air force jacket because he thought

[00:39:02] that maybe Julie seeing the jacket would make her feel more safe and secure before he killed her and in his own words Dennis said quote I had my cords with me some were already pre-knotted

[00:39:14] I had a gun a 22 lr woodsman auto target pistol end quote when Dennis enters the house he realizes that Julie isn't the only one home as he'd hoped her husband Joseph was there as well

[00:39:28] okay he had actually taken off of work that day because he had a recent car accident and he cracked one of his ribs pretty badly so he was at home tending to his ribs and resting Dennis

[00:39:39] did not account for that at all he really only accounted for Julie being there and not only was Joseph there with Julie but their two youngest kids nine-year-old Joseph jr and 11-year-old Josephine were also there as well remember this is happening around 8 30 in the

[00:39:55] morning so the two youngest children hadn't gone off to school yet right the three older children Charlie Danny and Carmen they had left to go to school so they were the only three family members

[00:40:08] not present in the home and the extra people being in the home made Dennis panic so he just kind of wings the rest of it so Dennis tells them that he's a criminal on the run and that

[00:40:19] he was in need of some money and food he wanted to make them all believe that he was just simply going to rob them and not kill them so he's just playing this really sick game in his own words

[00:40:31] quote I told them I needed money and food and was wanted by police I was AWOL from the Air Force I located the car keys purse and his wallet they told me the car was empty on gas I guess they

[00:40:43] didn't have very much money Mr. Otero said that I could take the typewriter from the southwest bedroom and hawk it for gas money and to just leave them alone end quote so Dennis then forces

[00:40:54] Joseph to take their dog and put it outside in the snow the dog was a small short-heared dog named Lucky and as Joseph was doing this Dennis had his gun loaded and he was threatening him

[00:41:05] and Julie to do as he said kids included and this is really really sad to think about but Joseph Otero was trying his best to get his family to calm down like he's telling them you

[00:41:16] know please calm down let's do what he says he won't hurt us let's just make it through this together it is fucking sad he lulled them into like a false sense of security yes and that

[00:41:27] that's what he specifically loved to do he wanted to make these people believe that they were out of harm's way completely when he knew he was going to kill them that was what he got off on

[00:41:37] so Dennis first bound everyone with medical tape but after everyone started saying that their wrist hurt he changed the bindings to white clothing line cords which that's fucking weird too because it's like he somewhat takes into consideration the comfort of his victims like even though he knows

[00:41:55] he's going to kill them I was just thinking that exact thing yeah it's really really weird it touches back on that thing that we just talked about where he wants his victims to feel as if they're

[00:42:05] not in danger and it's just so fucked up Dennis even laid out a pillow and a coat on the floor for Joseph De Leon because Dennis knew he had cracked his ribs

[00:42:16] yeah it's fucking crazy I don't understand it I'm so confused so it wasn't long after that before Dennis decided that he was going to gag and strangle everyone to death Dennis began by taking

[00:42:29] rope and wrapping it around Joseph's neck and Joseph goes unconscious Dennis then moved to Julie and he said he strangled her until she stopped moving and then he released pressure and keep in mind Joseph Jr and Josephine are watching all of this happen they're watching Dennis Raider kill

[00:42:45] their parents 11 year old Josephine was crying and she asked Dennis quote what's going on and Dennis responded to Josephine by saying quote I put your parents to sleep and your next end quote Dennis

[00:42:59] then strangled Josephine until she passed out and by that time Joseph Jr started crying and Joseph and Julie were both waking up because he hadn't killed them he just made them pass out yeah

[00:43:11] so Dennis takes a plastic bag and he puts it over Joseph Jr's head the entire time he's doing this Julie is crying and pleading with Dennis for him to stop she's literally watching her nine-year-old

[00:43:22] be slowly suffocated to death with a bag so after Joseph Jr quit moving Dennis used a clove hitch knot to strangle Julie Otero to death her last words were her telling Dennis quote

[00:43:34] may god have mercy on your soul end quote I just got fucking chills bro it is horrible it is absolutely horrible I hate fucking Dennis Raider I hate him after Julie died Dennis put a flower print pillow

[00:43:49] case over her head and her hands and feet were bound with cord Dennis then placed a bag over Joseph Otero's head and he used a belt to wrap around his neck as well to secure the bag in

[00:43:59] place and then Dennis grabbed Joseph Jr and carried him to his bedroom Dennis placed a second bag over his head tightening it down with cord and then he laid this nine-year-old child face down in his bed

[00:44:12] and Joseph Jr suffocated to death within minutes Dennis went back into the living room to see if Joseph Otero had died and to Dennis's surprise he saw that Joseph started trying to bite holes through the bag and that's not something Dennis had accounted for so he then

[00:44:28] placed a t-shirt and then a second bag over Joseph's head and then he applied pressure with the belt until Joseph died and the last member of the Otero family that was killed that day was 11-year-old

[00:44:39] Josephine and I'm just telling you guys now this is rough like I genuinely don't want anyone going in blind like I'm just I just feel the need to give that warning yeah this is horrible

[00:44:52] like absolutely horrible okay Dennis decided that he wanted to hang her so he made a noose with four loops in it and he began searching the house for a place to attach it he found a sewer pipe down

[00:45:05] in the basement so Dennis hung this noose up by that pipe and then he went back upstairs to go and get Josephine when Dennis got to her she was barely awake so he picked her up and started

[00:45:16] carrying her down the stairs and Dennis said in his own words that as he was doing this Josephine didn't cry or fight him at all so when Dennis gets her down to the basement he takes off her pants

[00:45:28] and he pulls her underwear down to her ankles he then lifted her shirt and tore her bra and then he pulled her shirt back down after doing all of this Dennis then used more cord to

[00:45:40] rebind Josephine's hands and feet and then he asked her if her parents had a camera anywhere in the house because he wanted to take a picture of her bound up with her underwear dangling at her

[00:45:50] ankles what and after Josephine told Dennis know that they didn't have a camera Dennis picked her up and placed her standing on the floor beneath the noose Josephine who was crying scared and confused by everything that was happening she asked Dennis quote what's going to happen to me

[00:46:08] end quote and Dennis told her quote don't worry sweetheart you're going to be in heaven with your parents and your brother tonight end quote so Dennis said that he was overwhelmed with excitement as Josephine's eyes cried showing fear and shock he then lifted this child off of

[00:46:25] the floor placed the noose around her neck where he tightened it and then he dropped her she was hanging with her toes inches from the floor and as Josephine hanged dying he pulled his pants

[00:46:38] down and masturbated himself into climax after Dennis was done he attempted to clean the house a bit he stole a watch and a radio from Joseph Otero and then he made himself a glass of water and he

[00:46:49] drank it and then he rinsed his fucking cup out wow he also turned up the thermostat in the home to make it hot he had read that high temperatures can speed up decomposition so this was his goal

[00:47:01] he was hoping to maybe fuck with the time of death so this is what he did and after he turned up the thermostat he stole the Otero's car and he drove it to a local Dylan's parking lot but then

[00:47:13] this fumbling fucking idiot forgot that he left things at the crime scene don't tell me he went back not only did he go back he went back in his own fucking car like not only did he go back to the

[00:47:25] crime scene but he ditched the car that he stole went and got his own personal vehicle and then he went back what yes and when he got back he found the wire cutters in the backyard

[00:47:36] where he left them so like I mean he's just a fucking dumbass after he left the house Dennis went into the woods where he burned all of his evidence like his gloves his written plans for the

[00:47:48] murder his cords just all of it he burned everything but burning evidence was for nothing because after he burned the evidence he created more evidence by writing in detail the events of the Otero murders in his journal what wow again I'm not kidding he's a fucking idiot

[00:48:14] and he explained way later to police that his fantasy was to enslave the Oteros in the afterlife he said he wanted Julie and Joseph to be his servants while Josephine and Joseph Jr would

[00:48:26] be his sex slaves and that's a fucking disturbing in itself but the thing that bothers me the most about all of this is that after Dennis brutally murdered the Oteros including two children he

[00:48:39] cleaned up went home to his wife and his child and acted like nothing happened Dennis and Paula already had Brian at this point because he was born in 1973 and their second child Kerry was

[00:48:51] born in 1978 so he just got to go home and and he was being a dad and a husband within hours of brutally killing these people and their children and that makes me infuriated like infuriated is not

[00:49:05] even the word so continuing on with what happened after the Otero murders and this is just fucking sad like I cannot even tell you the the amount of tears that I shed over this

[00:49:17] but Julie and Joseph they were found by their three surviving children oh yeah because they were at school they were at school when everything happened right so when they got home they found

[00:49:28] their parents the exact way that Dennis had left them and it is heartbreaking oh my god and they had to find everybody like that so the oldest 15 year old Charlie Otero was the last of the

[00:49:40] three surviving kids to make it home that day and when he got home he was immediately off put because he saw that the garage was open and his mom's car was gone which was very unusual

[00:49:51] for that time of day and when Charlie walked around back he saw that their dog Lucky was outside in the snow and Lucky was strictly an indoor dog like this poor dog did not do good outside in the

[00:50:03] cold yeah so Charlie just panicked he's wondering who in the hell put their dog outside and the vibes only got more sinister when he entered the house Charlie immediately notices upon entering the home that his mother's purse and his dad's wallet are just strewn everywhere like the contents

[00:50:21] are just all over the counters and Charlie knew this wasn't like his mom at all Julie and Joseph were both very very neat and tidy people so things being thrown over the countertops was

[00:50:33] just something that did not happen right it was out of the norm that was way out of the norm Julie nor Joseph would ever just throw their shit everywhere that's just not how they lived and while Charlie is processing this he's trying to figure out what's going on

[00:50:47] he hears one of his siblings call out to him remember Charlie was the last one home that day so his younger siblings Danny and Carmen had gotten there before he did Charlie hears Carmen say quote

[00:51:00] Charlie please please come quick mom and dad are playing a bad joke on us end quote oh my god so Charlie runs down the hall to his parents bedroom and this is where he sees his father

[00:51:11] Joseph Otero on the ground his hands and feet are bound with clothing line cord he has a belt tightly wrapped around his neck with a bag over his head and Charlie also sees his mom Julie

[00:51:23] she was laying face down on the bed also bound at the hands and feet she had clothing line cord wrapped tightly around her neck and a flower print pillowcase was over her head so Charlie and

[00:51:34] his two younger siblings saw their parents like this and I I don't even know how to begin to imagine what this did to these poor kids yeah Charlie Otero is quoted saying quote I ran down the

[00:51:48] hall went into their bedroom and saw my mother on the bed my father on the floor and my heart just got ripped out of my chest my life changed instantly when I looked at my mother she was

[00:51:58] tied up it didn't even look like my mother my dad's tongue was halfway bit off he had a belt around his neck and my mom was beaten her nails were busted up and they were cold

[00:52:09] we tried to get the ligatures undone the belt undone and then I realized this was for nothing and I had to get my brother and sister out of the house end quote Charlie tried calling the police

[00:52:20] but the phone line had been cut so 14 year old Danny Otero ran to the neighbor's house crying and screaming begging them to call the police and when officers arrived on scene Charlie,

[00:52:31] Danny and Carmen were all in their front yard screaming and crying oh my god and at this point Charlie, Danny nor Carmen knew that Josephine and Joseph Jr had also been murdered they didn't

[00:52:45] find them they just found their parents they thought it was only their parents that were killed yeah and Charlie even told the officers when they got there that he didn't know where his two youngest siblings were so the officers went inside and that's where they also found Joseph

[00:53:00] Jr and then they found Josephine in the basement she was still dangling above the ground by a rope when she was found and I say this very loosely because I don't think there's a way you

[00:53:10] could say luckily in this situation but I am happy that Charlie or Danny or Carmen I'm glad they didn't find Josephine or Joseph Jr. I mean I'm really glad they didn't find them either finding

[00:53:21] your parents in that way is already bad enough but just thinking about what would have happened to them had they found their younger siblings especially Josephine yeah I just don't even know

[00:53:32] like that is just a fucking horrific to think about and these crimes absolutely shocked this whole city in 1974 when these murders happened violent crime was almost unheard of in this area this was a time where people left their doors unlocked at night and neighbors could just

[00:53:48] go into your house and it was fine you know so for a quadruple homicide this brutal to happen is just unheard of I mean a quadruple is just unheard of that's rare in itself but especially

[00:54:01] in this time 1974 in Kansas like this this whole town was just terrified the 70s were filled with serial killers and I could imagine like you know you think that you're safe because all the serial

[00:54:17] killers are like in California or whatever when it happens in your home near you it's a whole different you know a whole different level that's so devastating so this whole town was just terrified that sense of safety and security that everyone had was ripped away immediately

[00:54:33] oh my god so if the security is out of the fucking window everybody's gonna want adt no you're you have a little bit of intuition into this case oh no oh no no and that was not

[00:54:47] a fact that I knew or you know I did not know this I literally just get in the picture you're getting the picture no so Charlie Otero I want to talk about him for a second he had a very rough

[00:55:00] time after this happened I mean imaginably of course I'm sure all of the surviving children did but Charlie was just destroyed he was the oldest so I felt like that he just kind of took on a

[00:55:12] different kind of burden with all of it because he was the oldest he immediately had to grow and you have to keep in mind too that these murders went unsolved for 30 years Charlie and his siblings went three decades without knowing who murdered their family like no justice no

[00:55:29] nothing just your parents and your two siblings are brutally murdered and then 30 years you know nothing you have absolutely no answers Charlie in recent years has been very outspoken about

[00:55:41] his life and the things that he went through as a result of everything and he lived a tough life for a while like you know he went way off track there was some substance abuse going on

[00:55:53] he also was dealing with paranoia I mean who could blame him he became convinced that whoever had killed his family was going to come back and finish the job like he became consumed in that that this mystery person had just brutally killed his family I mean that's understandable

[00:56:09] to think that though he's like you know are they gonna come back and get me and this ate him for years like it's so heartbreaking and even though he did have a rough period of his life

[00:56:20] I am happy to say that Charlie Otero did make a comeback and eventually he took up with his faith and he turned his life around and he learned how to deal with his grieving and his pain

[00:56:32] and that's just it's inspiring and it's amazing and I'm happy for him but it also still just breaks my heart because like he he didn't deserve that he shouldn't have to go through

[00:56:43] he shouldn't have had to get stronger from that like he should have just been able to live happily with his family and that's just you know it just it makes me sad but I did want to point that out

[00:56:52] that you know Charlie Otero has done several televised interviews on YouTube talking about his experience and how he had to cope with this so if you ever want to like check any of that

[00:57:03] out it's actually really really like it's cool it's really cool to see that he took something so horrible and eventually he turned his life and his family you know into the driving force of his

[00:57:13] life and I think that's just so amazing so moving forward after the Otero murders Dennis absolutely immersed himself in the media coverage of it he was watching everything unfold on the news

[00:57:26] he was just soaking the shit up stroking his ego he loved watching the whole city of Wichita become consumed in fear and panic he even started saving newspaper clippings regarding the Otero murders he would start cutting them out and collecting them and he kind of made this makeshift

[00:57:45] scrapbook type thing that he called his hidey hole or his hidey hole file hidey hole and sparky bang sparky big time sparky big time excuse me mother fucking hidey hole hidey hole

[00:58:02] like do I even do I even need to comment on that no actually I don't I'm gonna continue before I go off on like a fucking wild man three minute tangent yeah within two months of committing

[00:58:14] the Otero murders Dennis was already prowling and trolling for his next victim he was just up and ready to go and kill someone else and get this shit who we he took it upon himself

[00:58:27] to start strengthening his hands oh my god he really wanted to strengthen his hands because if you remember what I said weigh in the intro Dennis didn't know what the fuck he was doing

[00:58:37] when he murdered the Oteros he hadn't quite learned how to strangle someone to death quickly so he was like oh my hands need to be stronger right he greatly underestimated just how hard

[00:58:47] the job was so you know he had Julie and Joseph Otero pass out and wake up a couple of times before he successfully killed them and when the officers processed that scene they saw all of these

[00:58:59] strangulation marks on the necks of Julie and Joseph and they're freaking out thinking holy shit you know this guy was strangling and reviving and then strangling and reviving these people for hours he was torturing them yeah that's what the media ran with but

[00:59:12] that's not what happened he just yeah he didn't know how to do it he was a fucking idiot more sensationalism so after the Otero murders he started planning how he could make his next

[00:59:23] murder go more smoothly so he's like you you know maybe if my hands were just a little stronger if my hands were just a little stronger I could I could strangle everyone quicker that

[00:59:33] has to be the key that has to mean so this stupid fuck started obsessively using stress balls to try and make his hands stronger and yes you heard me right not lifting weights

[00:59:45] not working out not any of that squeezing mother fucking stress balls all of the time he was just squeezing them do do you do you not get the vibe how enraged I am at this motherfucker like how

[01:00:01] how much I genuinely cannot stand him oh my god not the stress ball he's just walking around squeezing them just like oh like I got I gotta get my hand stronger I gotta strengthen my hands like

[01:00:14] let me not exercise or build muscle the right fucking way and actually be smart about it I'm just gonna strengthen my hands by squeezing stress balls like I'm done I'm so done I'm

[01:00:23] gonna exercise my whole arm by just squeezing my hand I'm just I'm done I'm so done with him you're listening to an episode of gore report on true crime by indie drop-in we're gonna

[01:00:36] take a quick break and now back to this episode of gore report so Dennis started he started prowling and trolling again by March of 1974 the Otero murders happened in January so like I said earlier

[01:00:52] not even two months after that and he's already on the search he started regularly sneaking into other houses in the neighborhood where he would watch women through their windows this is something he did pretty much his whole life but yeah he's prowling he really wanted to find another

[01:01:07] victim or project as he liked to call his potential victims because again he's a fucking loser project projects what are we fucking DIYing here like what I'm telling you like they're and you don't even

[01:01:22] know like you this is baby we are on the ocean miles away from this iceberg that we will eventually be at the tip of that is where we're at in this story so just the iceberg from this point

[01:01:36] a little but not really okay yeah I just need to know how close we are to impact we got a ways to go baby because I have to find a flotation device for my an asshole yes for my an asshole absolutely

[01:01:50] you're definitely gonna need that so going back to what I was saying asshole overboard Dennis really wanted to make sure that he could confidently learn the layout of whichever house

[01:02:03] he was going to invade he also wanted to make sure that there were no men present because you know he was caught way off guard by Joseph Otero being home with Julie the day he killed them so he did

[01:02:14] not want that happening again yeah Dennis eventually spotted 21 year old Catherine Bright he described her as a quote dishwater blonde who fit his fantasy profile perfectly and like how rude is that fantasy profile yes and dishwater blonde he described this as a dishwater blonde because

[01:02:35] he's a rude stupid fuck so Catherine was checking her mailbox when Dennis saw her he just happened to be sneaking around people's houses that night and very sadly she became his next target something else that made Dennis officially decide to kill Catherine was the fact

[01:02:52] that her home address in street name had the number three in it and Dennis really liked the number three her address was 2317 East 13th Street so he was like oh yeah man she's she's dishwater blonde

[01:03:05] and there's threes it's a sign I'm just I gotta kill her this is it did it happen at 333 it did not but I'm pretty sure his stupid ass tried to plan for that the dumb fuck oh my god the

[01:03:15] universe is giving me a sign so for several days Dennis drove by Catherine's house repeatedly learning her routine learning the layout of things just you know everything and he was still just

[01:03:27] a squeeze in his stress balls Dennis named his plan for this murder project lights out oh my okay this is just sounding like a really bad sitcom where the writers are just going

[01:03:44] left field I'm telling you like this but very sadly this is real he thought he was just so bad ass project lights out project lights out I'm done I promise you he was squeezing them stress balls

[01:03:57] when he came up with that shit so Dennis confirmed based on a few days of watching Catherine that she more than likely lived alone because he didn't see a man at the property so this made

[01:04:07] him even more excited he just had this whole thing going in his head and in his own words quote I was feeling really good about this one end quote so now let's go to the day of April 4th 1974

[01:04:21] very very sadly this is the day that Dennis chose to murder Catherine that day he had class and I actually think I left this out of the introduction but in the fall of 1973 Dennis

[01:04:33] started attending the Wichita State University so he was still a student at the time of both the Otero murders and the murder of Catherine Wright oh my so he had class that day and when he got out

[01:04:45] of class he drove to a local shopping center where he changed his clothes into an outfit that he pre-packed then he drove his car back towards the Wichita State University he parked and then

[01:04:55] he walked to Catherine's house and he had a hit kit with him uh he liked to call his murders hits so his little pre-packed thing was a hit kit like I'm fucking telling you so in this hit kit

[01:05:10] Dennis had two knives a 357 magnum with extra bullets a black ski mask a gray cap some books and some sort of like over the shoulder holster for his gun because he wanted to wear it over his

[01:05:25] shoulder like I don't even fucking know but this is what he had okay he was going to wear this hat and carry his books and stuff and he was going to knock on the door pretending to be some sort

[01:05:35] of student looking for his tutor's house he was going to knock and pull the whole oh you know I'm just a student passing by I'm looking for my tutor is this the right address type shit

[01:05:45] that was his original plan but when he got to Catherine's house he noticed that she wasn't there so instead of waiting around he decided to break in through the back door and wait for her so once

[01:05:56] he gets in he starts walking around he's trying to figure out how he's going to do everything and then all of a sudden he hears a car pull into the driveway so he goes to look and he sees

[01:06:07] Catherine walking towards the house with a mail so Dennis fucking panicked because again he was not prepared for this he did not expect a mail to be there and this mail just happened

[01:06:19] to be Catherine's little brother 19 year old Kevin Bright as soon as Catherine and Kevin opened the door to the home Dennis confronted them by putting a gun in their face he was just in panic mode

[01:06:30] entirely he said fuck the plan fuck projects lights out this is just what I'm gonna do he just sounds like he's one of those people that like sings his own theme song in his head when he's

[01:06:43] like doing literally that's literally what he does like what the fuck so Dennis pulled the same shit with Kevin and Catherine that he pulled with the Oteros he tells them that he's a criminal on

[01:06:55] the run from California and that he just needed money in a car so Dennis forced Catherine and Kevin into one of the back bedrooms and he forced Kevin to tie Catherine up with her own

[01:07:06] scarves from her drawer and then Dennis ties Kevin to a bed post after that he takes Catherine into another room and he finishes tying her up and he fastens her to a chair so Catherine and

[01:07:18] Kevin are in two different rooms now and Dennis also turned up the radio really loud to drown out any possible screaming so Dennis first went to strangle Kevin because his goal was to get him

[01:07:30] out of the way so he could have more time to be creative with Catherine so as Dennis begins to strangle Kevin Kevin breaks his bindings and he starts fighting Dennis back a physical

[01:07:40] struggle ensued but Dennis quickly grabbed his handgun and he shot Kevin in the head and he hit the floor and quit moving so Dennis went back to check on Catherine after that and he noticed

[01:07:52] that she also started getting out of her bindings and she was starting to put up a fight too so while Dennis is trying to restrain Catherine he all of a sudden hears Kevin moving in the other room

[01:08:05] what he was still alive and he got up and went right back to fighting Dennis oh my god Kevin actually managed to get one of Dennis's guns away from him but when he tried to shoot Dennis

[01:08:20] the gun was jammed and this gave Dennis I know it breaks my heart and this gave Dennis just enough time to shoot Kevin a second time in his mouth no he again fell to the ground blood went

[01:08:34] everywhere and some of Kevin's teeth flew out of his head with the bullet Catherine is now screaming hysterically Dennis is panicking he's just trying to get the shit over with so he quickly

[01:08:46] takes out one of his knives an eight inch hunting knife and he started stabbing Catherine to death oh my god now get this fucking shit okay are you ready okay i'm ready as Dennis is stabbing Catherine

[01:09:01] Kevin got up and ran out of the house to get help oh this kid has been shot in the head twice and he ran outside to get help he survived I literally just fucking froze like chills the

[01:09:18] imagery yeah chills it's absolutely fucking incredible like I it's unheard of I mean that's a miracle I'm sorry but that's a miracle it is crazy he got shot twice and he tried fighting Dennis

[01:09:32] twice to save his sister like what a badass like what a complete badass once Dennis saw Kevin run out the door he started flipping shit so he stopped stabbing Catherine he grabbed her driver's

[01:09:45] license so he could put it in his hidey hole and then he attempted to steal Kevin's truck but he grabbed the wrong fucking keys because he's an idiot when he got outside he realized that he

[01:09:55] grabbed Catherine's keys and not Kevin's so Dennis ran to his own car got in it and he drove off Dennis managed to make it home where he cleaned himself up and he was just chilling and just

[01:10:08] seeming all normal and stuff when his wife got home like nothing ever happened how the fuck do you do that like how do you do that how it's insane it is really insane so back at the

[01:10:22] bright scene Catherine was left bleeding out and tied up when Kevin ran out of the house he managed to call police and when officers got to the scene they immediately rushed to Catherine and they

[01:10:34] were able to get some information from her but she was losing lots of blood she suffered 11 stab wounds with a 8 inch hunting knife so her and Kevin were both rushed to the hospital

[01:10:46] and very sadly Catherine Bright passed away in the middle of her surgery she was only 21 years old Kevin Bright miraculously survived the attack though he was in the hospital for two weeks before he was released like again just what a fucking badass but also I cannot imagine

[01:11:07] the pain and the survivor's guilt that he must have felt losing his sister in such a horrible way and I mean he fought to save her he was fighting for her life in his life like he fought

[01:11:20] through being shot twice in his head yeah like that is just absolutely insane and to know that he fought so hard and watched what happened to his sister happened and then for her to die my

[01:11:32] my heart just absolutely breaks for him and her it for everybody I just oh man Dennis I fucking hate you I know like you hear me over here just going like that but like I am literally trying to regulate right now yeah it's it's

[01:11:47] insane it is insane and Catherine Bright would be the only person that Dennis stabbed to death he was not a fan of the mess it created so he promised himself that when he went to kill again

[01:12:01] that he would never use another knife and it's like wow Dennis you're such a fucking outstanding individual like holy shit good good on you I'm glad that's what you took away from that like I don't

[01:12:13] know did you think maybe you just shouldn't fucking kill people period but you know whatever and this next part is fucking wild to me and it really goes to show just how fucking childish

[01:12:25] and narcissistic Dennis is but uh in the months after the murder of Catherine Bright in October of 1974 there were some people coming to the police claiming to have some information regarding the Otero murders there were some people coming in and you know giving false leads as

[01:12:41] people usually do and when Dennis found out about this he was furious because he didn't want anyone getting credit for his crimes he had to have the credit for what he did

[01:12:53] wow so Dennis plants a note at the local library then he called a man named Don Granger who was working for the Wichita Eagle newspaper and Dennis tells Don that if he looks in the library

[01:13:07] in a engineering textbook called applied engineering mechanics that he would find a letter with clues in it regarding the Oteros so Don immediately contacted the police told them about the call

[01:13:19] and the police go to the library to get this book and sure enough there's a letter in it and I'm going to read it to you and I will say now there are a lot of grammatical errors because

[01:13:31] Dennis is a fucking idiot but I'm gonna read it word for word so bear with me I'm just gonna read it straight to you are you ready uh yeah okay let it all me quote I write this letter

[01:13:43] to you for the sake of the taxpayer as well as your time those three dude you have in custody are just talking to get publicity for the Otero murders they know nothing at all I did it by

[01:13:55] myself with no one's help there has been no talk either so let's put this straight then Dennis proceeds to describe the Otero murders in horrific detail he talks about everything you

[01:14:07] know from what he did to them to how he left them and the letter continues he continues quote I'm sorry this happened to society they are the ones who suffer the most it hard to control myself you

[01:14:19] probably call me psychotic with sexual perversion hang up when this monster enter my brain I will never know but it is it here to stay how does one cure himself if you ask for help that you

[01:14:34] have killed four people they will laugh or hit the panic button and call the cops I can't stop it so the monster goes on and hurt me as well as society society can be thankful that there are ways for

[01:14:45] people like me to relieve myself at time by daydreams of some victims being torture and being mine it a big complicated game my friend of the monster play putting victims number down follow them checking up on them waiting in the dark waiting waiting the pressure is great

[01:15:03] and sometimes he run the game to his liking maybe you can stop them I can't he has already chosen his next victim or victims I don't know who they are yet the next day after I read the paper I

[01:15:16] will know but it too late good luck hunting PS since sex criminals do not change their MO or by nature cannot do so I will not change mine the code words for me will be bind them torture them

[01:15:30] kill them BTK you see he added again they will be on the next victim end quote I had a a fucking aneurysm saying yeah I had a stroke trying to keep up with that I you guys listening if you

[01:15:48] need to rewind that and listen to it again just to just to take it in them by all means do it I struggled reading that like illiterate is not even the word for this fucking idiot like I'm I can

[01:16:01] not start roasting him I just can't well baby where where the hell did your asses go that is what I'm saying like the illiteracy is insane although I did read um that he typed this on

[01:16:15] a typewriter and maybe he just wasn't good at typing he added again yeah you'll see you see he added again he added again that shit fucking killed me so at this point the city of Wichita is in

[01:16:28] complete fear driven panic people are losing their minds as I said in the beginning of this episode it wasn't long after this as you said that Dennis started working for ADT security because after the Otero murders people were really wanting security systems

[01:16:44] so that's what he did he just started installing the security systems during the peak of everyone's panic he was really getting off on the irony of it that the the person that these people were

[01:16:56] terrified of and were trying to protect themselves against was him and he was the one installing their safety measures he just got the biggest kick out of that so it's so unoriginal that I

[01:17:06] was able to call it about you literally guess I literally saw it yes I'm telling you all did so Dennis just laid back he did his security job none of his co-workers liked him evidently

[01:17:20] he was just existing uh it wouldn't be until two years later that he killed his sixth victim which that in itself if you look at it is kind of scary because uh it's one of the things that

[01:17:32] make him highly unusual as a case um he's an outlier in this way because he can just turn it on and off he can control his impulses like he kills five people within four months

[01:17:44] and then he just stops for two years and doesn't do anything and has no problem that is scary as fuck right that is truly scary so it was on March 17th 1977 that Raider murdered a mom of three

[01:18:02] 24 year old Shirley Vianne before Shirley Dennis had tried stalking and murdering another woman named Cheryl but luckily she wasn't home when Dennis went to her house and he didn't want to

[01:18:13] wait around so he you know he was pissed off and he just went to the next one uh-huh he didn't want to wait around because he he was like she gonna bring another dude home watch right I'm

[01:18:24] telling you he was just like no I'm not fucking with it so he left her house and he went to the next one so Dennis after the attempt at Cheryl you know that not working out he started

[01:18:36] walking down hydraulic street to see if he could troll someone else and while walking Dennis sees a five-year-old boy walking home this boy's name was Steve Rilford and he was one of Shirley's

[01:18:49] children so Dennis goes up to Steve and he shows him a picture of his own wife and his own child and then he asked Steve if he had seen them like Dennis is using his own family picture in his

[01:19:03] murder plan like I just cannot fucking believe that shit and Steve fresh on audacity I'm telling you and Steve of course didn't know uh who Dennis's wife or kid was so he said no and he kept walking

[01:19:19] but that's what Dennis wanted he made the interaction and now he's watching this kid go home and he saw which house he went to and Dennis was thinking oh good golly oh my this boy just has

[01:19:30] to have a mother so he gambled it minutes later Dennis shows up to Steve's house he knocked on the door Steve answered the same little boy from before and Dennis was pretending to be a detective

[01:19:43] and he just forced himself in Steve also had two siblings an older brother that was eight and a younger sister that was four so these kids have no idea what's going on this man literally

[01:19:54] just walks into their house and the mother Shirley Vianne she heard all of the commotion and she went into the living room to see what was going on she had been home sick that day and when she came

[01:20:06] out of her room she was wearing a nightgown in bathrobe in Raiders own words quote I told her that I had a problem with sexual fantasies and I was going to tie her up I pulled the

[01:20:17] blinds and turned off the TV I said that I would tie the kids up first they would be okay if she cooperated with me end quote that is so sick Dennis then goes on to describe how Shirley was very

[01:20:30] very upset and at one point she even smoked a cigarette trying to calm herself down Dennis tried tying up one of her sons but he started crying and screaming in this irritated Dennis

[01:20:40] like a lot so he forced all three kids into the bathroom together and to keep the door shut he forced Shirley to help him scoot a bed against the outside of the door so they couldn't get out and

[01:20:53] it turns out as well Dennis made Shirley put some blankets and toys in the bathroom beforehand and then they put the kids in there Dennis also said the entire time that this was happening

[01:21:05] Shirley was crying and pleading with her kids to listen to Dennis she was just begging them like please listen to me please go in here I'll be back he's not going to hurt you you know we'll

[01:21:14] be fine and that breaks my fucking heart to pieces absolute pieces after the bathroom door was secure Dennis said that Shirley threw up and then he began tying her up going back to that weird thing

[01:21:29] he does uh where he oddly pretends to give a fuck about the comfort of his victims he went and got a glass of water for Shirley to drink after she threw up to help her feel better and

[01:21:39] more comfortable throughout the experience of her being killed oh she thanks and then after that he taped her hands behind her back laid her face down on the bed he tied her legs to the bed post

[01:21:51] and then he wrapped white cord up her legs in her entire body he bound her entire body with cord like from her ankles up to her neck after wrapping her feet all the way up her body the

[01:22:06] cord that he had left at the end he wrapped around her neck four times he placed a bag over her head and he strangled her to death and as this is happening her three kids are stuck in the

[01:22:18] bathroom beating on the door screaming and crying for their mom not knowing that she was being murdered Dennis even recalled himself that the kids were specifically screaming at him to leave

[01:22:29] their mom alone and i just want to rip this dude's fucking face off yeah it's really bad and Dennis shouted back at them that if they didn't shut up he'd fucking shoot them Dennis also commented

[01:22:45] later that he thought about hanging all three of Shirley's kids in the same manner that he had hanged Josephino Tarot but he was pressed for time and the phone started ringing and this

[01:22:55] scared him so he ended up stealing Shirley's underwear and then he left he left her three kids in that bathroom screaming and crying some time went by and Steve the five-year-old and his older

[01:23:08] brother who was eight they managed to break a window and they escaped the bathroom and they ran to the neighbor's house and got them to call the police when officers arrived on scene

[01:23:17] they found Shirley naked and dead laying face down on her bed she had black tape around her ankles and hands the white cord that was wrapped around her neck as i said earlier was wrapped down her

[01:23:28] entire body to her feet and then she was tied to the bed post she was just completely bound she also had a bag over her head and her underwear was laying next to her on the bed

[01:23:40] and there were semen on them and although all of her children survived they were all really young and beyond traumatized so they unfortunately couldn't help the police with any details regarding

[01:23:51] a possible suspect and i mean yeah i don't know how anyone could just come back from that like these poor fucking kids to just have their mother so horribly ripped away from them

[01:24:02] and they were locked in a bathroom where they had to hear it yeah and then on top of that as i said with the otero murders there was no closure of any kind for these children for

[01:24:13] decades her children just grew up wondering who killed their mom they're like you know who is this strange man that just came in and literally locked me in a bathroom and murdered my mom like i

[01:24:23] i cannot and that is an aspect of all of these murders that really breaks my heart is knowing that these children now adults had to wait so long to learn the truth of what happened

[01:24:35] yeah i just don't even know what to make of that like do you at that point like is it relief that you feel or is it just a whole another layer of anger and not understanding

[01:24:47] like i don't even know i just don't even know and to make this whole thing even more twisted and to show you just how much of a fucking idiot he is denis wrote a poem about surly

[01:24:59] vyan shortly after he killed her in the year 1978 and that's something that you're going to see with denis he likes writing poems even though he fucking sucks at it i mean he obviously sucks at writing letters he sucks at everything he literally sucks at everything

[01:25:15] so the poem he wrote about surly i'm gonna read it to you it's called surly locks this man okay surly locks hidey whole sparky big time yes don't forget project lights out project lights out

[01:25:28] how could i forget oh and also let me throw this since we're on the ramp of his like stupid names uh later in this case you'll see that when he refers to the thing inside of him

[01:25:39] that makes him kill he calls it factor x i'm listen thank you guys for tuning in it's been fun if you would like to follow us i wish that was the case but it's not i'm fucking done so so

[01:25:56] surly locks quote surly locks quote surly locks surly locks will thou be mine thou shalt not scream not yet fill the line but lay on a cushion and think of me in death and how it's gonna be

[01:26:13] end quote what a loser and that is not the end of his poems either like i have some more poems in this episode and there's gonna be one in part two so like we're not done reading his poetry just

[01:26:29] just buckle up so after the murder of surly vyan it took denise almost nine months to pick his next victim he was out trolling one day and he happened to see 25 year old nancy fox her address

[01:26:41] was 843 south pershing street and she had another three yes and she had just gotten home denise saw her he immediately became infatuated with her and he decided then and there that nancy was going to

[01:26:54] be his next hit and just like you said he really loved the whole number three thing he's really just with it so over the next few weeks after he spotted nancy he checked her mail to see her name

[01:27:05] and where she worked he was just going you know through all of her letters and stuff to get as much information as possible he also just straight up stalked her clearly he would ride

[01:27:16] by her house often he followed her to her place of work which nancy worked at a jewelry store in wichita he just started slowly but surely making plans and he also called his plan to kill nancy

[01:27:28] quote pj fox which meant project fox yeah again another another like fuck rename this is this is i think the first fuck boy serial killer that we have come across i mean it's pretty bad i

[01:27:46] don't even know if there there's not really a word for this i mean definitely not the first fuck boy serial killer but he's the stupidest he's that's for fucking sure so fucking stupid

[01:27:57] so on the night of december 8th 1977 denise would put his plan into action and he would commit his seventh murder that evening denise knew that nancy hadn't arrived home yet so he went to

[01:28:09] her house and went around back and he started making preparations he started by cutting her phone line with wire cutters he then broken to her house through one of the windows and uh something else to

[01:28:21] note here too denise had practiced this in between his murders when he wasn't squeezing his fucking stress balls like the little stupid fuck that he is he would use a glass cutter on various

[01:28:33] panes of glass to like practice like getting in a window basically like he was wanting to make sure that he could break into a window or a door as smoothly as possible denise described in his own

[01:28:45] words that he received a great deal of excitement and pleasure when breaking into someone's home he described it as a particularly thrilling form of mental rape and in his own words quote on a bee which means breaking and entering there's a powerful feeling as you enter someone's territory

[01:29:04] the smell and fixtures surround you and there are unexplored parts of the house with treasures to find and keep it is a violation to them yes it's a sort of mental rape i can completely understand

[01:29:18] why burglars are so attracted to it end quote so like this whole thing sounds like i really bad be raided miss an impossible movie right it really really does but on the flip side of that

[01:29:34] and you know let me just make the note real quick i said it in the intro i'm i cannot help but roast denise raider i absolutely hate him like he gets under my skin more than i think any other killer

[01:29:46] like truly he does but roasting aside i'm i don't want to take away from what he did because is he a fumbling idiot yes but is he also holy like fucking shit terrifying yes yes he is

[01:30:01] like it absolutely is so i just i just wanted to make that note real quick he is stupid and i'm going to continue to make fun of him but this was a scary motherfucker like this was truly a

[01:30:11] scary scary scary man stupid but very scary and no less evil or brutal you know what i'm saying how could you not listen to this and not make fun of it just yeah i mean it's it's wild like he

[01:30:24] on the same note of him being a complete dumbass and just we can make fun of that all day long he's also an extremely unusual case like extremely unusual like way way fucking beyond and how he

[01:30:37] thinks and processes this shit it really is fascinating you're listening to an episode of gore report on true crime by indy drop in we're going to take a quick break and now back to this

[01:30:48] episode of gore report going back to nancy fox he successfully broke into her home through her window and then he just kind of sat in her kitchen and waited for and that is absolutely

[01:31:01] terrifying and again he enjoyed a glass of water while he was waiting because as i've said like three times that's just something he likes to do it gave him this feeling that he was just

[01:31:12] doing something that he shouldn't be doing and he enjoyed it a lot well i'm glad that you dirty to dish right i'm telling you i just jesus jesus i have to really reel myself back i just i have to reel it

[01:31:24] back so when nancy returned home she was confronted by denis telling her that he was struggling with some sexual issues and he said that he just needed to tire up have sex whether take

[01:31:36] some photos of the whole things that he could beat off later and then he'd just be on his way again he's displaying this uber fucked up thing where he loves to make his victims

[01:31:47] feel as if they're out of harm's way i know i've said that a couple of times but i can't help but bring it up because he does it every time yeah he loved making his victims believe

[01:31:56] that he wasn't going to kill them even though he most definitely was so he did this to nancy and he told her that he wouldn't kill her if she cooperated so according to denis nancy was like

[01:32:06] very very upset when he told her this i mean what else did you fucking think was gonna happen denis right i don't know so he sat her down at the table and nancy started smoking a

[01:32:17] cigarette and he started trying to have a conversation with her in order to like reel her back in and calm her down and uh he kept telling her that he wasn't going to kill her

[01:32:28] denis also went through her purse and got her driver's license because he wanted another trophy for his hidey hole god i i can i cannot get over that i'm telling you and after a few minutes

[01:32:40] and this next part gives me chills like completely but after a few minutes of talking with denis nancy took one last drag from her cigarette and she told him quote well let's just go ahead

[01:32:52] and get this over with so i can call the police end quote so like a with that she's a bad bitch because you know she's just like let me hit this cigarette fuck you guy let's just get it over

[01:33:05] with and then we'll you know i'll call the cops on you and we'll go about our day like what a bad bitch but it's also very sad and chilling because you think about from her

[01:33:15] perspective she genuinely thought that this was going to be a situation in which this guy just did what he was going to do it wasn't going to be fun but she was going to walk away with her life

[01:33:25] and she was going to just you know call the police on him continue on about about her life basically she had no idea that she was minutes away from death and that is just oh it just

[01:33:36] it just it makes me sad it makes me incredibly sad so after this denis forced nancy to go to the bathroom to undress but he forced her to keep the door open so he could watch what she was

[01:33:48] doing and denis also undressed himself at the same time so here's a little bit of fucking awful imagery for you he's just standing there naked waiting for her which like oh my fucking god you like

[01:34:01] ew I literally that just makes me want to jump out of my fucking skin so when nancy came out of the bathroom she was completely nude except for a sweater she was wearing and when denis

[01:34:13] told her to remove it she asked him quote please let me wear it don't make me take it off end quote and denis agreed and nancy also asked if the bedroom door could stay open and denis also

[01:34:25] honored that request in his mind he's just this super great good guy who makes people feel comfortable before he brutally fucking kills them like again you just you deserve a metal

[01:34:36] denis holy shit so according to denis he asked nancy if she had ever done anal before and this evidently made her panic so when nancy started panicking instead of just continuing his ruse

[01:34:50] that he was going to just have sex with her and then leave he decided to show his true intentions he handcuffed nancy climbed on top of her and then he started strangling her to

[01:35:01] death with a leather belt and according to denis in his own words when he confessed this to police later he said that as he strangled nancy he whispered things in her ear and his own words

[01:35:12] quote fox passed out but i had her come back and i whispered in her ear a bit i told her that i was btk i was a bad guy this was the torture thing you can visualize being tied up and knowing

[01:35:26] that something is going to happen to you and you can do nothing that's my torture end quote now whether that actually happened or not i don't know but that's what denis said it could very much be

[01:35:38] true but it also could be him just trying to you know appear more make himself seem a little more threatening in macho than he actually is you know but nonetheless that is what denis claimed and that's fucking bone chilling after nancy passed out denis removed her handcuffs and

[01:35:54] then he retied her hands with her own pantyhose and he did the same with her neck he removed the belt and then replaced the belt with pantyhose he really wanted that aesthetic of pantyhose for his photos

[01:36:07] instead of the cords and the belt and all that crazy shit in the handcuffs and as nancy lay on the bed dying denis went through her house to look for trophies he took some jewelry her

[01:36:18] driver's license and he made himself another glass of water before he turned the thermostat up and left him this is like the thirstiest motherfucker we've ever covered right and get this shit but

[01:36:32] and this blew my fucking mind but denis admitted later that he thought about giving nancy's jewelry to his wife for her to wear oh my god no did you not just get like no chills through your whole

[01:36:47] body no oh god brutally killed this girl and was going to take her jewelry and give it to his wife and he also said in his own words that he could have possibly at some point given the jewelry to

[01:37:00] his young daughter carry to wear like how grossed out how fucked up is that but it hit in his mind that would be like the greatest thing because that's like his sick way of reliving it he's

[01:37:12] seeing his wife or his daughter wear this jewelry from someone that he brutally fucking killed so in his way that's like a sick twisted way that he just gets to relive it every day so like

[01:37:23] just just let that sink in like can you imagine so denis he went home after murdering nancy he went home to his wife and his kids and he pretended again as if nothing had happened

[01:37:36] and the next day around 8 15 a.m denis was just teeming with excitement he couldn't wait to see the news coverage on nancy's homicide and he was thinking that it was taking too long for someone

[01:37:49] to discover her body organically so he was like i just can't take it anymore i gotta like speed this up a little oh my god so he contacts the police again yeah you guessed it so he's at breakfast

[01:38:01] with his co-workers he slips off and he uses a pay phone and he calls the police to tell them about the murder of nancy fox now i really wanted to include his call in this episode for you guys

[01:38:14] to hear like the actual audio of it but there just isn't any clean audio for me to do that like nothing that's near high quality enough it's an old phone call recording and it's hard to make out

[01:38:26] unless you have captions or something so i just i just thought it would be pointless because you quite literally can hardly hear it um so i unfortunately did not include that today but if you

[01:38:38] would like to go and listen to that phone call it's really easy to find on youtube and you can actually see the captions for it and you know you'll you'll take it in a lot better than what

[01:38:46] i could do if i put it here right but yeah denis calls 911 and he tells them quote you will find a homicide at 8 34 south pershing it's nancy fox end quote then he drops the phone and

[01:38:59] walks off so that's chilling is fuck that this man literally called and reported his own murder even though the call was recorded authorities were unable to match it with anything they

[01:39:11] still couldn't identify who this person was and keep in mind too that we are in the 1970s yeah so technology and dna and forensics and just all that stuff was nowhere near like it is today

[01:39:23] so nothing happened the media coverage on the nancy fox murder didn't please denis at all either it wasn't near as big and flashy as he thought it was going to be and he got butt hurt about that wow

[01:39:36] so just three weeks later in january 1978 denis mailed a copy of his surly locks poem to the witch of taw eagle he wanted to antagonize the authorities a little bit uh so he mailed

[01:39:50] that poem and nothing happened he didn't get a response and he got way even more butt hurt after that he's like y'all are ignoring me oh my god no no no i wrote you a poem i deserve a

[01:40:06] response i deserve a response and i deserve a good response too it better be good that's literally his attitude so like when he didn't get a response for this poem about a month later a february 10th 1978

[01:40:23] he decided to write a four page letter to the witch of taw eagle as well as the local news station in witch of taw called kaketv or cake tv i guess you could call it i'm not sure i like

[01:40:36] cake tv but in this letter denis talked about how he murdered the otiros along with surely vian and nancy fox and he even alluded to another murder that he committed that was unidentified but we

[01:40:50] know now that he's talking about katharine bright right he just didn't name her in this letter but he inserted himself into it if that makes sense he included a drawing of a woman who was bound

[01:41:01] and gagged uh which i believe this was him drawing nancy and he also provided a shit ton of information regarding all of the crime scenes like how all of the bodies were found how they died you know

[01:41:13] information that only the killer would have right yeah and he also included another poem all right lay it on me and this one was about nancy and he called it oh death to nancy

[01:41:27] and i'm going to i'm gonna read that poem for uh for you now so quote what is that i can see cold icy hands taking hold of me for death has come you all can see hell has opened its gate to trick me

[01:41:44] oh death oh death can't you spare me over for another year i'll stuff your jaws till you can't talk i'll bind your legs till you can't walk i'll tie your hands till you can't make a stand

[01:41:59] and finally i'll close your eyes so you can't see i'll bring sexual death unto you for me signed btk so he literally took the song oh death yes you know it really yes that's literally

[01:42:17] that's literally what he did right so he took that song and he made a fucking btk parody and then mailed it to the fucking authorities yes yes he damn sure did because he was but hurt

[01:42:31] that they didn't respond to him that is literally what he did and also let me say too let me say but i'm laughing because of how stupid he is no trust me it's insane he's a child

[01:42:46] like it is insane you have every right to laugh at that because he's just so stupid okay he's so stupid and also get this in the letter he sent he made it a point to say

[01:42:59] that he wasn't satisfied with the media coverage on his latest crimes he even said quote you know a paragraph would have been enough how many people do i have to kill before i get a name in

[01:43:11] the paper or some national attention end quote wow and at the end of this letter this shit is going to take you it took me but at the end of this letter denis states that he

[01:43:23] wanted to be known as btk bind them torture them kill them but he also included some backup options just in case the police didn't like btk oh my god so like project fucking lights out but

[01:43:38] literally he was like yeah so this is me i'm btk i do btk things so just call me that if you would please i really like that one but also if those options aren't chill and you don't like it i

[01:43:51] provided a list of backup names so you can like choose one k things just let me know what you decide i'll be here that's literally what he did that is literally what he did and do you want to

[01:44:03] know what these backup names were would you would you like to hear them like this is shit you can't make up would you like to know his backup options i mean it can't get any better than sparky big

[01:44:16] time or pj fox it gets better it gets better do you want to hear his backup names okay okay what's the backup names so the first one is the btk strangler which is dumb as fuck because that's

[01:44:35] literally bind torture kill strangler which that doesn't make any fucking sense the poetic strangler oh oh because we have to get philosophical with it the asphyxiator the bondage psycho or the bondage strangler the witch a tall executioner

[01:45:03] and my two personal favorites the witch a tall hangman and the garot phantom him mother fucker didn't even use a garot and he just wants them to that's like that's like the

[01:45:21] garot phantom the garot phantom that's like going to your fucking boss and being like hey bro i know i have all these responsibilities but like could you give me a better title yeah he was literally

[01:45:34] like i just got this list but like if you would i like btk but just let me know what you think yeah yeah and you know what you can actually brainstorm on those names and get back to me

[01:45:43] with which ones you like either way i deserve a name k thanks k thanks sign denis he's really so stupid but he genuinely really did that shit like i will forever just be done with this man i can't

[01:46:05] where we left off in part one denis had murdered nancy fox in her home and when the publicity wasn't as flashy as he wanted it to be he sent a copy of his surely locks poem to the witch

[01:46:17] a tall eagle only to get no response and if we've learned anything about denis raider at this point it's that he loves publicity he loves attention i'm sorry i wasn't laughing about like the that

[01:46:31] fact but i was laughing at the fact that like you can't even do that right yeah he just got no response and got no response just so butt hurt over it he really really loved attention

[01:46:41] you're just going to see that time and time again so when he didn't get a response from this it led him to send another one of his letters to the witch a tall eagle and to the cake tv

[01:46:52] news station in this four page letter he included horrific details regarding the murders of the oteros surely vyan and nancy he included a picture of a bound and gagged woman and let's

[01:47:04] not forget about his next wonderful poem that he included uh oh death to nancy oh yeah i remember that yeah he was really was like ripping off the song oh death yes he was really trying to get some sort

[01:47:17] of reaction so during the next eight years after he murdered nancy as i said denis quit killing and i brought this up in part one how that's one of the many things that makes denis such an

[01:47:29] unusual case like he truly is an outlier in this way he could control his impulses and he did for very long stretches of time so you look at killers such as bundy gacy dharmar and you see at some point

[01:47:44] they couldn't control the urge to kill eventually they got sloppy because that urge was just too overbearing right and that's not the case with denis he just stopped and he didn't seem to

[01:47:55] struggle with it too much and that is the scariest thing in the world to me it is very scary if not you know the scariest um that scary thing being that someone that has this much of a psychopathic

[01:48:11] homicidal personality someone that's truly violent and evil in my opinion right they have that side of themselves and they do this crazy shit but then they can walk right back into normal life

[01:48:25] mundane life and they can function and put on this totally different face a mask a mask basically and that is really really scary like that's something that really terrifies me about killers about people

[01:48:39] that do things like this that off and on it's crazy and i also brought this up in part one briefly where i talked about how denis would dress himself up in clothing items such as nightgowns

[01:48:51] women's underwear wigs clothes that he stole from his victims and random people's houses he also had a quote woman's mask that he'd put makeup on he'd wear all of these things and

[01:49:04] then he would bind himself with rope he'd put bags over his head and gags in his mouth and he would pose in various positions and he had a polaroid camera that had a squeezy ball attachment

[01:49:17] like oh yeah like the okay so if you don't know what he's talking about basically it's like a shutter that you click and it takes the picture yeah right but he had this and when he would pose himself

[01:49:31] he would keep the squeezy ball in his hand and he would hide it you know within the rope or something like that and he would take pictures of himself i actually thought about posting some

[01:49:41] of those photos of denis for you guys to see but ultimately i decided against it uh i just feel like they're too much they're definitely a little explicit and in the context of who he is and what

[01:49:54] he did yeah it's very very disturbing so if you want to find those photos for yourself it's not hard to find i just i didn't think it would be appropriate for me to post something like that

[01:50:04] so we're not going to do that and on the topic of those pictures kathryn ramsland said herself which if you don't remember who she is from part one she is a serial killer expert she's a forensic psychologist and a criminal justice professor at disales university and she worked

[01:50:23] with denis for a very long time academically studying him and trying to understand what made him do what he did right so i just wanted to briefly recap if you forgot who she was but kathryn ramsland said herself that when denis would pose and take these photos

[01:50:40] that he was basically embodying his victims he wanted to pose in the place of a victim and according to ramsland denis said that when he did this that it helped him curb his homicidal impulses so during the long periods of time when he wasn't killing

[01:50:57] he was sneaking around his wife's back and taking these pictures and he was of course still stalking and trolling but he didn't kill but see that's interesting because him dressing up like that is his own way of revisiting crime scenes you know what i mean

[01:51:15] yeah quite literally he wanted to put himself in the place of a victim so you're right about that it's kind of like he was reliving it in a lot of fucked up ways when denis murdered nancy fox

[01:51:27] it was december of 1977 that following year in 1978 his second child carrie was born so denis said in his own words that fatherhood was a big factor and why he stopped killing for so

[01:51:40] many years denis really liked his identity as a father and a husband so that's where he put his time even though he didn't kill anyone from 1978 to 1985 it doesn't mean that he didn't try so 1979 was a busy year for denis between being a father, husband, and a student

[01:52:02] his plate was full 1979 was also the year that denis raider graduated from wichita state university where he studied criminal justice which fun fact denis used what he learned studying criminal justice to try and help him with his serial killing he studied the forensic part of things you know

[01:52:22] how officers processed crime scenes what they looked for things like that right he used that knowledge to his advantage oh that's even scarier you got a serial killer arming himself with tomes of

[01:52:36] knowledge i'm telling you it's so just fucked all of this is fucked so the next person in this story i want to introduce you to is anna williams she was 63 years old and on april 28th

[01:52:50] 1979 anna attended a square dance in town and then she stopped by her daughter's house for some time to see her before she went home and when she got home she saw that someone had clearly

[01:53:03] broken into her house she saw that her phone lines were cut there were a few different wires and cords laying around and it just completely scared the shit out of her i mean like it would anyone

[01:53:15] anyone yeah little did she know that her taking the extra time to go and see her daughter for a few hours that evening saved her life literally oh man and on that day of april 28th denis had

[01:53:29] been watching her so he decided to break into her home when she wasn't there denis was hoping that anna would be his eighth victim so he breaks in cuts the phone lines sets everything up and then

[01:53:43] he just sits in her house in the dark just waiting for her to come home oh no no yeah i'm telling you but after several hours of just sitting in the empty house without her coming denis grew impatient

[01:54:00] and agitated and he just said fuck it and left so again her making that extra stop literally saved her life i am forever visiting all of my friends before i go home what the hell i'm telling you

[01:54:14] what so two months after that in june of 1979 anna received a package that was made out to her deceased husband and in this package she found a piece of jewelry and a scarf that belonged to

[01:54:30] her like from her house she like this right she also found drawings of several bound and gagged women and in this package can you take a guess at what denis left just take a guess i don't know the

[01:54:46] female mask or something another wonderful poem oh god denis wrote a poem to anna titled quote oh anna why didn't you appear in quote what i told you we weren't done reading his poetry like

[01:55:07] we are not done reading his poems like oh where'd you go it's literally so dumb so i'm gonna read this poem to you it's fucking ridiculous well you know with a title like that how could it not be

[01:55:23] ridiculous i'm telling you you were just i cannot even describe it why didn't you appear so the poem oh anna why didn't you appear twas perfect plan of deviant pleasure so bold on that spring night

[01:55:40] my inner feeling hot with propension of the new awakening season warm with inner fear and rapture my pleasure of entanglement like new vines at night oh anna why didn't you appear drop of fear

[01:55:55] fresh spring rain would roll down from your nakedness to scent to lofty fever that burns within in that small world of longing fear rapture and desperation the game we play fall on devil's

[01:56:09] ears fantasy spring forth mounts to storm fury then winter clam at the end oh anna why didn't you appear alone now in another time span i lay with my sweet and raptured garments across most private thought

[01:56:27] bed of spring moist grass clean before the sun enslaved with control warm winds sensing the air sunlight sparkled tears in eyes so deep and clear alone again i trod and passed memory of mirrors imponder why for number eight was not oh anna why didn't you appear

[01:56:56] understand a fucking word but it was terrifying the entire time time was he using big words just because he wanted to sound smart you said first thing about that poem i understood fucking nothing second thing about that poem it was awful it was awful yeah it's

[01:57:20] definitely a terrible terrible poem and i can't stand it so denis had broke into this woman's home waited for hours steal some of her jewelry in a scarf which he then mails back to her two

[01:57:34] months later along with this poem could you imagine standing there reading this cacophony of fuck all like is cacophony a word oh yeah that is such a fascinating sounding word what does that mean

[01:57:50] i need to know it was really just like the only word that i could think of that described that poem but but yes i can tell you what it means do tell hey seri hi there what does cacophony mean

[01:58:05] cacophony means a harsh discordant mixture of sounds oh yeah that's definitely what that poem was i think that's definitely what that was a cacophony yeah we all just learned a new word yeah well i

[01:58:20] i can tell you big words like cacophony but i have the mind of a goldfish and i had to ask seri what the definition was so you know take it take from it what you will and it touches on just

[01:58:29] another thing another part of raiders psyche even when he didn't actually kill people he still got the utmost satisfaction out of mentally torturing people him sending this woman her own stuff along

[01:58:42] with a poem he wrote about why she didn't appear to him he just got the biggest thrill out of that he knew that this was of course going to absolutely scare the shit out of this woman and he took

[01:58:52] pride in it audacity on sale at that point he didn't even care that he didn't kill her he was just taking pleasure in terrorizing her that same package that he sent to anna he sent copies of the

[01:59:05] same poem and drawings to cake tv he wanted both anna and the news station to receive his poem and drawings that is like like i said audacity is definitely on sale you have no idea

[01:59:20] so in 1983 when denis was 38 years old his then 10 year old son brian became a boy scout and denis became a scout leader and denis used his position as a scout leader to sneak out and troll this

[01:59:34] little tidbit of information is going to come back around i promise so just keep that in your mind okay within two years after becoming a scout leader in 1985 denis decided who his next victim

[01:59:47] was going to be and it was one of his neighbors oh no 53 year old marine hedge denis and marine had lived on the same block for several years at this point and one day denis was just out and

[02:00:01] about trolling and he noticed marine in her garden tending to her flowers and denis had this bright just click in his brain that he also loved gardening and he just decided right then and

[02:00:14] there that he had to kill her well okay we went from interest to murder yes he said himself that as he watched marine tending to her flower bed that he imagined his hands around her throat

[02:00:27] and that was just all he needed he got excited and he started planning and it's very sad denis even recalled that oftentimes he would walk by marines house and just smile and wave at her

[02:00:39] and he called this plan quote project deflower which he made up because of the way he noticed her tending to her flowers and he also liked gardening get the fuck out of here i'm going home

[02:00:54] right right it is absolutely just horrible i guess the story is just shocking to me and he is disgusting to me because it's just the sheer mixture of violence and sex against women i mean

[02:01:12] we've touched on that many times that seems to be a common theme with most killers but i mean it's awful he literally saw this woman who was his neighbor and just because of this

[02:01:22] she wasn't doing anything but you know just because of this weird gardening thing he just saw her tending to flowers he imagined strangling her and that was all he needed to fixate on her

[02:01:32] and if there's one thing to know about denis raider if he fixated on you you were done that was it like he made up his mind right then and there and he was going to kill you

[02:01:41] you're listening to an episode of gore report on true crime by indy drop-in we're gonna take a quick break and now back to this episode of gore report denis noticed after some stalking

[02:01:53] that marine seemed to live alone although she did have a male friend that would come visit her often he just didn't live at the house but he was in and out quite a bit and very sadly on april 27th 1985

[02:02:07] denis claimed the life of his eighth victim that day denis was at a scout meeting with the boy scouts and that evening he told the other scout leaders that he had to go to bed early

[02:02:18] that night because he was having a headache but denis actually didn't go to bed early that night and i don't know if this is going to surprise you we're not but he lied he lied he lied he's

[02:02:29] fucking mad instead of going to bed early denis actually drove to a bowling alley he had parked his car at the top of a hill that was near the scout camp so he could leave and come back

[02:02:40] unnoticed he got to his car he changed out of his scout leader uniform into some casual clothes he pretended to bowl for a bit and then he got a beer he swished the beer in his mouth spit some of

[02:02:54] it on his shirt and even splashed a little on his face because he was trying to make himself appear as if he was drunk so after doing all of this he called a cab to come and pick him up again

[02:03:05] he's just trying to come across as this really super drunk guy who was bowling and just needed a ride home so he takes a cab and halfway through the ride denis tells the driver that he

[02:03:15] needed to get out and get some air and walk the drunk off basically uh so the cab stopped let him out and denis walked to marines house when he gets to her place he sees that she's not there

[02:03:28] so he goes ahead and he cuts the phone line and he breaks in uh yeah and within minutes of him being in her house he hears a car pull up in the driveway he looks out and sees that it's marine

[02:03:40] and her male friend that i talked about earlier his name is jerald porter oh my god so denis runs into one of the bedrooms and he hides inside the fucking closet no how scary is that what is this

[02:03:54] a horror movie right so marine gets home she has jerald with her they're talking hanging out just enjoying their time together in her home and neither of them knew that denis raider was watching

[02:04:06] them from the closet that absolutely just makes me fucking sick to think about and he was in the closet for a good bit of time too after marine got home her and jerald hung out for over an hour and

[02:04:18] then he left marine then sat up for a bit she got ready for bed went to her room and eventually fell asleep and denis was watching her this entire time just sitting and waiting my asshole is gone

[02:04:33] he waited for a bit of time after she fell asleep to make sure that she was asleep uh and then he just walks into her room and turns her bathroom light on which this made marine wake up and scream

[02:04:47] immediately and that just hurts my soul because i just could not imagine being woken up in the middle of the night because a stranger turned on my fucking bathroom light like that is just

[02:04:57] that is so so scary especially like when you live at home alone right and then on top of that she recognized him yeah so it's just like this whole bundle of like what the fuck is going on

[02:05:11] so marine freaked out she woke up she's screaming and before she can even react or get out of bed or do anything denis ran jumped on top of her and he strangled her to death with his hands

[02:05:25] with his bare hands after denis killed marine he stripped her naked and he placed her body on a blanket and he also handcuffed her hands behind her back he went and got a glass of water because

[02:05:37] we all know that's his thing he loves to drink a glass of water at the crimes what a thirsty ass bitch and then he stole marine's driver's license for his hidey hole oh yeah i forgot about the

[02:05:47] fucking hidey hole and then he came up with a great idea all of a sudden he decided that with this murder he wanted to change his m o a bit this time he wanted to take the body

[02:05:59] out of the house so he put marine's body in the trunk of her own car and he took her to the christ lutheran church and this shit stain also said later that moving a dead body was way

[02:06:12] harder than he thought it would be he said in his own words quote this was the first time i had ever actually moved a body i worried about my back as i lifted her out of the trunk oh oh

[02:06:23] yeah i'm glad you're worried about your back denis that's that's fucking great so since denis was a well represented and active member of the christ lutheran church he had keys to the church

[02:06:34] so denis took marine into the basement of the church and he posed her body in various positions where he could then take several pictures of her and get this shit denis made it a point later

[02:06:47] to say that even though he murdered this woman and took her body into the church basement that he still didn't disrespect god he said quote i did not use the altar i was bad and

[02:06:59] disturbed but i still had respect for some items of god's house end quote like whoa like i that shit almost made my heart stop i was just like denis like where the fuck is

[02:07:14] your mind at my guy like what do you mean right like what do you mean you didn't use the altar therefore you still respect god like are you fucking kidding me you brought a dead body in

[02:07:28] the church bro right you killed someone and brought their body to the church oh but he's still a great outstanding sentencing because he didn't use the altar i'm telling you he didn't

[02:07:41] use the altar i wonder if he prayed afterward that's the key you just you can't use the altar that's the loophole so after denis posed marine and all of these different positions and he took

[02:07:53] all of these pictures of her in the basement of this church he loads her body back up and then he dumps her in a ditch on a dirt road that was a few miles from where she lived denis then

[02:08:03] abandoned her car at the bowling alley he went to beforehand he grabbed his own car and he went back to the scout camp because let me remind you just in case you forgot he did all of

[02:08:14] this during a boy scout trip that he was supposed to help chaperone and he was just like i'ma dip out for a couple hours yeah and he went and did all of that and then came back god so what did he do

[02:08:27] with like the clothes he changed like he changed back into like the boy scout outfit and he went that yes like nothing happened you're absolutely correct so the next day after that when marine

[02:08:41] didn't go into work a welfare check was called in for her and when officers got to the home they found that marine and her car were nowhere to be found so this sparked a really big search

[02:08:51] marine's car was found at a bowling alley soon after she was reported missing and her body was found in a ditch on may 5th 1985 just a few days after she was killed oh my god after this murder

[02:09:04] denis didn't write into the police or the witch a taut eagle he didn't write one of his fancy schmancy poems he didn't shocking yeah he didn't want to attract attention to himself

[02:09:13] because marine was his neighbor so he didn't want to insert himself in any way to her murder because he didn't want a full-blown btk investigation happening right down from his house that's why he changes mo it was too close to home like literally too close to home

[02:09:32] so he stayed quiet after this one and unfortunately him switching up his mo like that and not writing the authorities are you know just doing any of his usual things it through the police for a loop

[02:09:44] right they didn't think it was btk because the mo is different right there were some officers that commented that btk was in the back of their minds when it came to a possible suspect for this

[02:09:55] crime because he hadn't yet been caught obviously but since everything was just so different to the known btk murders they didn't suspect him instead marine's friend jerald porter became the prime

[02:10:07] suspect because to the knowledge of the police he was the last person to see her life oh my god so he even had a scapegoat do you think he planned that i on knowing denis i honestly don't think he

[02:10:21] did because he just fumbled into everything that he did i truly don't think he thought that far ahead but unfortunately that's how it worked out and it's very fucked up man on september 16th 1986

[02:10:33] denis claimed the life of his ninth victim 28 year old mother of two vicki wegerly denis had watched vicki for weeks before he killed her he loved the fact that her front porch was kind of

[02:10:46] closed off and it didn't really show her front door so that kind of made him excited but he also loved the fact that vicki played piano because oftentimes while walking past her house he would

[02:10:55] hear a piano playing and he loved the music so he fixated on her super heavily and he called this his pj project i'm so sick of your fucking projects i'm telling you around 10 am on the

[02:11:08] day of september 16th 1986 denis dressed himself up as a telephone repairman he made his own logo he had a helmet vest fake tools everything he really put a lot of effort into this

[02:11:22] so he knocked on vicki's door she answered denis asked if he could test her phone lines and she let him in she had her toddler in a playpen in the living room i believe i believe the baby

[02:11:35] was around two years old so denis comes in vicki shows him where the phone is and he takes out a fake tool that he had and he pretended to mess with the phone line for a bit and denis said that

[02:11:46] after vicki looked away to check on her child he cut it he pulled out his 25 caliber handgun and he pointed it at her and when vicki saw the gun she immediately started crying and freaking out

[02:11:57] i mean understandably vicki told denis that her husband was going to be back any minute because he was supposed to be home for his lunch break and vicki also asked what he was planning

[02:12:07] to do with her child because again this poor two-year-old is just in this playpen watching all of this happen and her first thought was immediately what the fuck are you gonna do to my kid

[02:12:17] sad very sad at gunpoint denis forced vicki into the back bedroom and he told her that he was going to tire up and according to denis vicki fought him hard very hard she was actually

[02:12:31] able to scratch denis up pretty badly she got him across his nose and everything good she really put up a fight and even though vicki was trying her hardest and i just i hate this so much but denis

[02:12:43] unfortunately overpowered her he grabbed a nylon stocking that belonged to vicki and he wrapped it around her neck strangling her to death and he did this in broad daylight like 10 11 in the

[02:12:55] morning oh my uh he also opened up her blouse and pulled her pants down after she died and he took a couple of photos with his camera denis stole some things from the house including vicki's driver's

[02:13:08] license for his hidey hole and then he left to go back to work vicki's child was left in the playpen crying only feet away from vicki's body and i hate this but when vicki told denis

[02:13:20] that her husband was going to be home soon it turns out that wasn't a bluff that was the truth so bill wegerly was the one to come into their home he found his child screaming in the playpen

[02:13:30] and his wife dead was stalking wrapped around her throat he frantically got the stalking out from around her neck and then he called 911 and sadly just like in the case of marine hedge

[02:13:41] bill wegerly became the main suspect in vicki's murder for some time oh my god denis yet again got away with murder and just like he did again with the marine hedge murder he stayed quiet after

[02:13:54] this one no letters no poems no mail to the police or news station none of that and this helped him elude police unfortunately and after he murdered vicki denis stopped killing for another five years

[02:14:07] but two years after the murder of vicki in 1988 denis got laid off from his job at adt security denis tried to become a police officer but every single department rejected him

[02:14:20] so he went away hold on i gotta rethink that for a second you have a serial killer wanting to become a cop yeah he wanted to abuse that power that was something denis will tell you he wanted

[02:14:32] to do he wanted to be in law enforcement constantly abusing power he wanted to have that power over people oh it just gets worse so he tried to become a police officer all of the departments rejected

[02:14:44] him they were like fuck you know so after that he went on to work as a census field operation supervisor for the census department in wichita and this job allowed him to travel a lot he was

[02:14:57] out of town all the time and he was basically living in hotels so denis used this abundance of alone time to have what he called motel parties basically he had dolls that he would practice

[02:15:09] tying up he would do this whole erotic asphyxiation thing on himself he was wearing his mask his nightgowns and underwear and he was tying himself up with rope tape handcuffing himself just

[02:15:22] all of this crazy shit and he was taking photos of himself while doing all of this like very fucking weird he was having lots of motel parties like he did this by himself denis ended

[02:15:33] up losing his job at the census department in the summer of 1990 and this kind of left him feeling belittled and but hurt and he went back to trolling and prowling only this time denis decided that

[02:15:47] he wanted to target an older woman he felt as if younger women put up more of a fight and he also thought that younger women were more likely to have husbands at home which he

[02:15:56] didn't want so he set his sights on 62 year old delores davis she would be the 10th and final victim of denis raider delores worked as an executive secretary in wichita for several years and then

[02:16:09] she moved out to the park city area where denis lived so while denis was out and about trolling he spotted her fixated on her and that was it he started planning and for the second time

[02:16:21] he used the boy scouts to help him commit this murder over the weekend of january 19th 1991 the scouts were having an annual winter camp out event at harvey county park west and denis was

[02:16:33] chaperoning as one of the scout leaders denis said that he made it to camp early that day to set everything up and then when the other scout leaders and the scouts and everyone started

[02:16:42] arriving he said he had another headache and that he had to leave to go back into town to pick up some things and he left so after he left the camp he drove out to his parents house in

[02:16:52] north wichita his parents weren't home because they were on vacation so denis used their house to change out of his scout leader get up into what he called his hit clothes uh he then drove his car

[02:17:10] to a local baptist church he parked and then he set out on foot to the home of delores davis and it was after 11 p.m that he got there delores had just gotten home not long before denis got

[02:17:21] there because she had a dinner date with the guy she was talking to so denis just waited outside of her house watching her and he watched her until she went to sleep and then he waited for some time

[02:17:33] after that again to make sure that she was asleep but this time he didn't break into the house with normal methods like the things that he usually did he took a totally different

[02:17:43] approach okay he was rushed for time because he knew that he had to get back to the scout camp so he decided oh well i know just the way to make this a lot quicker and more efficient he walked around

[02:17:53] her house until he found a cement block and then he chunked it through her patio door busting the glass oh he just threw this block through this woman's door like did not give a fuck did not

[02:18:06] give a fuck wow the crash from the glass breaking caused delores to get up and she rushed to the door to see what happened initially it was so loud she thought that a car had crashed into her

[02:18:17] house but that wasn't the case she was instead confronted by denis raider and he was saying the same exact shit to her that he had used countless times before he said that he was a

[02:18:28] criminal on the run and that he needed food and money he forced her into her own bedroom and he attempted to have conversation with her to calm her down which surprised didn't

[02:18:38] fucking work imagine that he tried to go right back to the comfort tactics yes absolutely so delores tried fighting denis off but he overpowered her again this poor woman was 62 years old like i just

[02:18:51] i just hate this man i hate him so fucking much but he overpowered her he snatched her phone line out of the wall and then he laid her on her stomach and then he tied her hands to her ankles

[02:19:02] and he strangled her to death with her own pantyhose denis claimed that the entire time he was doing this that all delores could do was cry and beg him not to kill her after denis killed delores

[02:19:15] he was in a hurry so he didn't take any photos of her at that moment instead he loaded her up into the trunk of her own car and then he took her and dumped her near a lake denis noticed

[02:19:26] after he dumped delores that he didn't have his gun on him just like he did with the oteros he left it at the crime scene so he went back to her house found his gun stole some personal

[02:19:39] things such as some clothing a camera a jewelry box and her driver's license for his hidey hole and then he went back to her body loaded her up in the trunk again and dumped her under a

[02:19:50] bridge in sedgwick county and then he returned to the scout camp as if nothing happened wow it would be the next day that a missing persons report for delores davis was put in by her

[02:20:01] boyfriend the guy she was seeing yeah i'm so sorry about the low commentary but i am so blown yeah it's insane it is insane it is fucking insane like as stupid as he is and as much as we

[02:20:16] can roast him and as much as i will roast him he was fucking scary like this shit is truly scary the fact that he just casually is just out here doing this shit gauge i did not find a car

[02:20:29] seat for my asshole it's gone it's only it's on the other side of the interstate if it got ejected right i'm struggling pretty bad too i promise it's just gone i need compensation for my ass

[02:20:45] the very next night after he did all of that murdered delores and then dumped her at a lake went back to her house got his gun dumped her under a bridge that next night he snuck out of the camp

[02:20:56] again to go and photograph delores's body he said that he had a headache yet again and he just had to leave so everyone let him go and on his way back to the scout camp from photographing delores

[02:21:09] he stopped at a rest stop to change his clothes and while doing this a state trooper came into the rest stop and he stopped denis and asked a couple of questions he was like you know there was a

[02:21:21] crime nearby that happened we're looking for people who may have something to do with it people that are a little suspicious and denis described in his own words that this experience scared the

[02:21:32] shit out of him because he thought that was the moment he was going to get caught yeah at that moment when this happened he had delores's jewelry box and clothes and camera in his car yeah so if

[02:21:46] that trooper would have asked to see his car and search his car he would have been fucked right then and there but denis explained that he was a scout leader on his way back to the scout camp thing

[02:21:56] that he was chaperoning and that his son was a boy scout and the trooper let him go he was like you know what clearly you're not anybody we're looking for so they let him go you know what

[02:22:06] this reminds me of have you ever seen the movie the house that jack built i haven't actually this whole story reminds me of that movie if you haven't seen that movie please go watch it it's amazing but yeah

[02:22:18] i've heard of it but i haven't seen it this whole story screams the house that jack built we might have to watch that after we're done with this maybe if you want for sure for sure

[02:22:29] because it's a great movie so yeah denis had this encounter with this state trooper they let him go and he went back to the scout camp pretending that nothing can happen so in the years after

[02:22:40] murdering delores denis stayed busy upholding his seemingly normal facade he continued to raise his children he continued working for the scouts he continued being a member of christ lutheran just all of it just a few months after murdering delores in 1991 he got a new job as a compliance

[02:22:59] officer in park city and he kept this job up until his arrest in 2005 and there are many locals from park city in that time period that can today recall how much of a dick officer denis was

[02:23:13] him getting this compliance officer job really satisfied his ego even if it was very minor things because a compliance officer is like someone who enforces local code yeah you know like he was

[02:23:27] going around enforcement code enforcement basically but that didn't matter to denis and his mind he was now a part of law enforcement even though he wasn't an actual police officer so he had this

[02:23:38] little bit of power to abuse and he became a complete dick about it and there's so many people that can recall that it made denis feel superior to everyone else and evidently denis was such a

[02:23:51] fucking asshole that several people ended up moving out of park city completely it was that bad he was going around he was going around to people's yards measuring their grass with a fucking ruler

[02:24:05] and then writing citations like shit like that just being a complete fucking dick like complete again it's the superiority god complex narcissistic fucking it's crazy i'm he just he really loved going

[02:24:22] around making sure grass was cut he loved it i mean but even though denis had his plate full with being a compliance officer plus a husband plus a dad plus a scout leader he still used what

[02:24:34] little free time he had to prowl and troll what the fuck does this guy's schedule look like like right he was still picking out projects he was still stalking people and even breaking into

[02:24:45] homes during this time he just didn't actually kill anyone else after delores like breakfast with the wife and kids go out stalking and trolling maybe some b&e breaking and entering maybe some cutting

[02:24:58] some phone lines i don't know go back home from lunch make sure everybody's chill like i'm telling right and then go back out and auto fixate or whatever the fuck you're doing motel parties

[02:25:08] having motel parties squeezing my stress balls strengthen in my hands crazy shit so from 1991 to 2004 he just kind of remained under the radar he was just living his life just kind of you know

[02:25:21] taking it back a little bit so continuing on january 15th 2004 that marked the 30th anniversary of the otaro family murders and on that day the wichita eagle ran an article in their newspaper about a book that was being written about the unsolved btk murders this book was

[02:25:41] by an author named robert beady i think that last name i got right but uh this book was supposed to cover seven murders but denis saw this and it angered him because he knew he had killed more

[02:25:53] than seven people right and he didn't want anyone telling his story wrong he didn't want anyone miscrediting him now if you're gonna tell my story you're gonna tell all of it but also he just didn't want anyone telling his story period he wanted to tell it himself

[02:26:09] so this temper tantrum led denis to send a package to the wichita eagle and this was his first correspondence with the wichita eagle in 25 years the the period of time between him sending this to when he sent his last poem 25 years could you imagine like going 25 years

[02:26:31] and btk is just disappeared people think he's disappeared and people are trying to calm down and then just he comes back up like hey mother fuckers literally and people refer to denis as the

[02:26:44] boogie man like i don't remember what his name was but uh one of the officers on this documentary i was watching he said himself that like if you lived in if you grew up in cancels and the

[02:26:54] 70s and 80s you didn't have the boogie man you had btk which is like fucking chilling my mom told me that she even remembers btk right so going back this package he sent this was his

[02:27:06] first communication in 25 years right people were freaking the fuck out he mailed the package on march 17th 2004 using an undercover name bill thomas killman this is like a bad fucking movie bro

[02:27:22] this is so bad and then this package that he sent he included three polaroid photos of vicki wegerly dead on her floor and he also included a photocopy of her driver's license he sent this

[02:27:33] shit to the wichita eagle and this is only the beginning only the beginning the next clip i have for you guys is from x wichita eagle editor sherry chison hall and she was obviously

[02:27:44] working for the wichita eagle when this package was received this audio is being sampled from a interview in the btk confessions of a serial killer docu series on youtube i will put links in

[02:27:57] the show notes because uh these episodes were another really great resource of mine for this case but yeah this is sherry telling us what was inside that package and i'm gonna play that for you now

[02:28:09] my administrative assistant goes through the mail every day and she had gotten a letter that had a photocopy of what appeared to be an old polaroid it looked like a woman's body on the floor

[02:28:24] in a copy of a woman's driver's license the driver's license was vicki wegerly's her murder had never been tied to btk and this package was the first of several packages that he would send leading

[02:28:39] up to when he got arrested and for the hundredth time this truly scared the shit out of everyone this is the first time btk has communicated with anybody in over two decades people thought that

[02:28:51] maybe he had died or moved away or anything but for him to send this and just reignite the fear within the community i mean it was the ultimate high for him right the wichita eagle immediately

[02:29:04] turned the package and its contents over to the police and the fbi got involved there was even a task force put together during this specifically for catching btk oh wow and you have to think too

[02:29:16] his reign of terror being 30 years from the 70s up until he got arrested in 2005 there were like one or two maybe even three generations of cops looking for him like that's how long like that

[02:29:30] that's how long his his shit went on for and it's just wild you think about the impact of going so long being dormant and then for him just to bam here i'm btk did you forget about me hey

[02:29:43] nope still here right here's this driver's license here's these photos like no one is safe people really really fucking wigged so on may 5th 2004 denis sent another package but this time he sent

[02:29:55] it to cake tv he really loved cake tv because a he watched it for so long but also because they actually gave him attention and covered him so he really loved it right he sent this next package

[02:30:07] under the name thomas b kingman which again both of his names is just btk rearranged in different ways it's fucking stupid but in this package he included a word puzzle that was made up of lots

[02:30:21] of random letters and numbers so it's like a word search basically right and that's another thing to know about denis he loved puzzles and he loved communicating in codes and riddles

[02:30:31] so he put this word puzzle together for the news anchors and or police to figure out some of the words hidden in this puzzle were ruse victim address service men follow cruise handyman fake id

[02:30:47] remodel prowl and fantasies and there was more than that that's just to list a few he also included the numbers six two two zero hidden in this puzzle which was his house number get the fuck

[02:31:03] out of here yeah he lived at six two two zero independent street in wichita i think so he hid his address in it which is fucking wild and then one of the words in that puzzle was address and he

[02:31:16] put his numbers for his literal house number in there like he was really really going for some shit this is how deranged he was just playing this game with police and authorities it's crazy i what wait i'm still trying to wrap my freaking head around that okay like

[02:31:39] it almost doesn't sound real it almost doesn't seem real i'm telling you it's like the worst topic fever dream that you could ever have in your life that is exactly what this case is truly

[02:31:52] i was even taken back putting this together i was just like holy shit dude holy shit you're listening to an episode of gore report on true crime by indy dropin we're going to take a quick

[02:32:05] break and now back to this episode of gore report so in that same package with the word puzzle by the way i'm surprised that the word trolling wasn't in there i'm pretty sure it was

[02:32:17] stupid fuck but also in that same package he included an outline for telling his story like he sent a guide on how to cover him basically he even organized everything into chapters and he

[02:32:33] named this work quote the btk story um you guys aren't covering me correctly so here's a little guide just in case you need it so these were the chapters for his story he just had the chapter

[02:32:47] names chapter one a serial killer is born chapter two dawn chapter three fetish chapter four fantasy world chapter five the search begins chapter six btk's haunts chapter seven pj's chapter eight mo id ruse chapter nine hits chapter 10 treasured memories chapter 11 final curtain call

[02:33:20] chapter 12 dusk and chapter 13 will there be more so on june 9th 2004 denis taped a sandwich bag containing a brown envelope to a random stop sign in wichita and someone found it this envelope contained very graphic type descriptions of the otaro murders pictures of women that were bound

[02:33:43] and gagged and some of the pictures even had captions such as quote the sexual thrill is my bill end quote and then he also included another copy of his btk story chapters um okay

[02:34:00] he said i'm just dead yeah because it's just like crazy one b rated movie after the other on saturday june 17th 2004 a bookkeeper at the local library found a package labeled

[02:34:17] btk in the bottom of a book return bin and she called the police immediately it was a plastic bag filled with lots of stuff there was a story in there called jakey and this story was referencing

[02:34:32] a 19 year old boy named jake allen who had died under some questionable circumstances i guess you could say uh before denis planted this package i believe this boy committed suicide that's what the authorities believed but denis wrote this story named jakey trying to take credit

[02:34:50] for his death oh wow okay denis said in this letter quote jakey had fantasies about sexual masturbation in unusual ways with bondage and homosexual thrills while i pick this out my

[02:35:04] sparky is going hard end quote yeah i just threw up in my mouth a little bit right like what the fuc denis admitted later that this was all bullshit that he of course had nothing to do

[02:35:15] with his case he just wanted the shock reaction from the authorities basically yeah because it's all a twisted little manipulation mind game it's a game to him it's a game and that's something

[02:35:26] to know too like when he initially saw this ad in the paper that a book was going to get made about his story and he felt like it was inaccurate and he wanted to write a letter to like set

[02:35:36] thing straight well it went from that to where it turned into a full blown game denis was convinced in his mind that all of these officers were his buddies and they were just having a great time

[02:35:49] playing this game with him that's literally how he viewed it that is quite literally how he viewed it it was a game wow on october 22nd 2004 a ups driver found a plastic bag with a manila

[02:36:01] envelope inside of it during one of his pickups at the omni center in wichita it was labeled btk filled gram inside this envelope were pictures of children who had bindings and other things drawn

[02:36:13] all over them and he also included a half accurate half false autobiography that he wrote about himself like he put some details on there that were true and some that weren't because he was

[02:36:24] trying to mislead the police right in december of 2004 denis called in a bomb threat to get some attention he didn't actually have a bomb more so he just wanted his latest package to be

[02:36:37] discovered this is how much of a child he is and an attention seeker so this package he was referencing was a special k cereal box labeled bomb threat and yes before you say anything

[02:36:50] this stupid fuck you cereal boxes as clues because he was a serial killer bomb threat on a serial k box so serial killer and btk yes okay so when this when this package was found inside of

[02:37:12] it there were pages that contained extremely graphic details from the murder of nancy fox there was a gagged barbie doll with its hands tied behind its back with a bag over its head

[02:37:25] and attached to the feet of this doll was nancy fox's driver's license not a photocopy but her actual driver's license that he had kept for decades holy shit yeah chilling as fuck and all this is going

[02:37:40] on wifey just has no idea his kids have no idea his church congregation has no idea no one and no one knew that he had a body in the church that's what blows me that i'm no one knew i

[02:37:54] think so january 25th 2004 cake tv received another package and this was a postcard asking of a cereal box that he left in town had been found he was seeing if anyone had found this

[02:38:09] basically right so when he sent this package he listed the return address as s kill it 803 north edgemore witch atah which if you don't remember that was the otaro's home address

[02:38:24] 803 edgemore oh my god it was so this box was found pretty quickly after you know he sent this postcard he gave some clues on how to find it it was leaning against a road sign for north

[02:38:37] senica and it had another barbie doll in it this doll was bound with rope around its neck and the rope was attached to a small section of pvc pipe this doll was meant to represent

[02:38:51] josephine otaro because he hanged her from a pipe if you remember that gnarly tidbit from part one i hate that he also had a slip of paper in there labeled pj little max 1574 which is the date of

[02:39:07] the otaro family murders and he also left clues as to where to find his next cereal box okay so we have we said i am done like the look on your face right now you said okay

[02:39:22] i wish we just close it out now it thanks for following us you know find us on facebook okay guys you can find us on our socials it's it's fucking crazy again this is really hard to

[02:39:37] grasp that it's real because it just sounds so far out there but it's real this man really did this i'm just thinking about the mental repercussions of the shock like just the fear and the shock

[02:39:50] and people being afraid to walk down the street because all of this shit is being found the police are like running around like chickens with their heads cut off yeah this man literally nobody's feeling safe he terrorized btk struck fear into this community in 1974 when he murdered the

[02:40:08] otaros and here we are in 2004 and he just pops up after so long and he's doing this shit like wichita was fucking terrified i could not imagine any of this also in early january of 2005 denise

[02:40:22] raider was elected president of church council at the christ lutheran church and eight days after that he left another special case cereal box in the bed of a random pickup truck in the parking

[02:40:36] lot of the home depot store located at 3350 north woodlawn boulevard in wichita not the home depot yeah this was the box that he had given instructions to find in his last package so police officers and detectives go to that home depot store they're asking all of the

[02:40:55] employees and everyone if they had found a cereal box and it turns out that there was an employee there who found a cereal box in the back of his truck that was labeled btk bomb and he thought someone

[02:41:08] was fucking with him so he threw it away at his house like he went home found it and was like what the fuck is this so he threw it away luckily though within that next week the police started

[02:41:18] putting up flyers asking home depot employees from that location to keep an eye out for a mysterious cereal box and this guy he went on vacation for a few days like came back right he saw the flyer

[02:41:30] and he realized holy shit i had a strange cereal box sitting in my truck and it clicked so he ran outside and somehow he looked in the trash and it was still there he went out so he didn't like i

[02:41:45] guess move his trash cans or whatever to be picked up so it sat there so he found it called the police and then he immediately turned over the box and in this box was a list of details regarding

[02:41:57] some of his new possible projects and denis also included a small letter to the police and this is going to fucking take you because when i tell you that this absolutely just fucking took my breath

[02:42:08] away for no other reason other than how stupid he is because you hear all of this shit that we've talked about all of the calculation the word puzzles leaving clues the way he's torturing these people in this town you think that wow there's little glimpses holy shit you're

[02:42:24] scary you may be smart but then this next part just takes that all the way and it's like oh nope you're a fucking idiot and you just fumbled your way into everything so he put he put a letter in

[02:42:36] this cereal box asking the police that if he sent a floppy disk would he be able to communicate that way without it being traced back to him the letter actually said quote can i communicate

[02:42:50] with floppy disks and not be traced to a computer be honest what miscellaneous section 494 in parentheses rex it will be okay run it for a few days in case i'm out of town etc i will try a floppy for a test

[02:43:09] run in the near future february or march so let me break that down when he said rex it will be okay denis was saying that he wanted the police to respond to his question about the floppy disk by

[02:43:23] putting it in the paper saying rex it will be okay that was going to be code for the police to put in for him to read to know if it was okay to send a floppy or not he's thinking he said be honest

[02:43:36] with me now can i do this and it be okay if so be honest with me put it in the paper and i'll read it and then i'll send it to you right away so denis in his mind he's thinking that they're his

[02:43:48] friends he's thinking that they're genuinely going to be honest with him that they're gonna follow the rules he's not thinking about anything else so when the police got this i could imagine

[02:44:00] they were like are you like fucking kidding me what do you mean can you send a floppy disk and it not and it not be traced now what do you mean be honest denis what do you mean by that okay

[02:44:15] all right all right all right i'm done but wait it gets better it gets better so when the police got that they obviously put the ad in the paper saying rex it will be okay they put they literally

[02:44:29] put that in the paper and then they waited oh yeah they got his ass police also looked at the surveillance footage from the parking lot of that home depot store to see if they could you know maybe

[02:44:40] see who put that cereal box in the back of this guy's truck and even though the film was grainy and they couldn't quite make out who the person was they did find that the person who dumped the

[02:44:51] cereal box was driving a black jeep Cherokee so they had a vehicle identified oh on february third 2005 cake tv received another postcard from denis and in this postcard he told them how much he

[02:45:07] appreciated the police being honest with him about the floppy disk and he said that he would send it soon because they put in the paper rex it will be okay so he took it as oh they're telling me i can

[02:45:19] send it and it not be traced thanks so much for being honest with me i appreciate it i'm going to send that to you right away thanks i so look forward to hearing from you i do i so look

[02:45:30] forward to hearing from me and it was on february 16 2005 that cake tv received a package containing a purple floppy disk denis had used the computer at his church to make this floppy disk and he sent

[02:45:45] it in so as soon as the police got their hands on it they gave it to their it guy he popped into his computer and he saw that the disk came from a man named denis at christ lutheran church in

[02:45:59] wichita and a very simple internet search revealed that the president of the christ lutheran church was a man named denis raider so now they had a name we we done come full circle can you

[02:46:16] believe that we started out with some some hick ass attention seeking just horrible shit fuckery to to some huge saw tight manipulation bullshit terror amongst this whole town this whole community for

[02:46:34] 30 years and then there was the floppy disk and then there was the floppy disk i will never get over that so please tell me can i send this and it not be traced just be honest be honest with me

[02:46:47] tell me i will never get over that shit i swear so now that they had a name and in the church and they had that whole car right none of that was concrete enough in terms of making an arrest

[02:47:04] it was pretty convincing but they needed a little more so get this shit they got smart from the otaro crime scene and the nancy fox crime scene semen had been collected by police because if you

[02:47:15] remember denis let's see men at his crime scenes yeah but in the 70s dna testing was in its infancy so in spite of that the police still kept these samples in case something changed and underneath

[02:47:29] the fingernails of vicki wegerly there was also dna right because remember she fought him and she scratched him right so all of these dna samples had been saved for decades just in case the

[02:47:42] off chance came that they would have someone to test those samples against they preserved everything and kept it and that ultimately is what broke this case technically so after a little digging into denis raider the police got access to denis's daughter carries medical files

[02:48:01] and they used her dna to test against the crime scene dna and it was a match wow this 100% concluded that the president of christ lutheran and boy scout leader denis raider was btk and after years and years and years and years and years they finally got him

[02:48:23] they finally had enough to figure out who he was and to arrest him it is crazy what a what a turn around and what a way to catch somebody like it's wild to think that okay so your children

[02:48:40] your family life that you loved so much ended up being your downfall over a floppy disk i mean it's wild again for the 500th time none of this even seems real so with all of this information

[02:48:55] gathered the dna was a match it was february 25 2005 that denis raider was on his way home for his lunch break and he was surrounded by police and arrested they saw him driving his black jeep

[02:49:09] chari key the same one that they identified in the home depot video so upon his arrest in a search of his home they also found all of the contents of his hidey holes they found his

[02:49:21] polaroids and his slick ads which if i didn't bring that up yet the slick ads were index cards that he made where he'd paste pictures of various women from magazines that he would cut out he would

[02:49:35] put them on these cards and then he would draw bindings and gags and all kinds of other fucked up shit on them and then he kept them he called them his slick ads so police found all of this

[02:49:46] and he was immediately taken into custody his wife paula it immediately divorced him she actually asked for an emergency divorce and it was granted the next day wow she immediately left him and was like

[02:50:00] fuck this it was immediate good on her she wasted no time so now btk was caught and it would be july 27th 2005 that denise raider appeared in court with judge gregarry waller

[02:50:15] presiding on this day denise entered a plea of guilty and the guilty plea tossed out the need for a drawn-out trial so basically it kind of sent everything straight into the sentencing phase right so during this court appearance denise confessed in brutal detail to all 10 of his

[02:50:34] murders he detailed his plans his methods everything he went about describing these things as if they were normal monday and everyday activities like if you watch his confession footage it is chilling because he just you would think it would be it was like someone describing how

[02:50:54] they went to the grocery store and got a bag of chips and then came back home like that type of shit he was just so nonchalant about it what so he tells all of this to the judge and the family

[02:51:05] members of the victims were also allowed to speak during this time they were allowed to tell the courts of everything they had lost and all of the suffering they endured when btk murdered their

[02:51:16] loved ones because most of his murders were unsolved for well all of his murders actually because his last murder was 19 yeah his last murder was 1991 he didn't get arrested until 2005 so all of his murders were unsolved for so long yeah so so long it is just absolutely

[02:51:37] heartbreaking to think about so when his sentencing phase took place it was august 18th 2005 and it was a two-day process and judge waller found denise raider guilty of 10 counts of first-degree murder for the deaths of julie joseph joseph jr and josephino taro kathryn bright

[02:51:57] charlie vyan nancy fox marine hedge vicki wegerly and delores davis and denise was given the maximum sentence possible which was 10 consecutive life sentences he has to serve a minimum of 175 years before he's eligible for parole i'm the jail under the jail today denise raider is 78 years old

[02:52:21] and he's serving his time in solitary confinement at the eldorado correctional facility located in eldorado cancels and even though denise has been behind bars for nearly 20 years now the nightmares and the pain he caused will never go away for some the families of the innocent people he killed

[02:52:39] may have closure in some form knowing that the man responsible for killing their loved ones is behind bars but the question of why as well as the absence of their family members will never

[02:52:51] truly go away even with the passing of time right and not only where the families of btks victims deeply affected and forever changed by his actions but his own family also carries

[02:53:02] a weight and a loss of their own especially his children i mentioned this book in part one but i just want to bring it up again because i think it's appropriate but in 2019 14 years after

[02:53:14] the arrest of her father kary published her own book called a serial killer's daughter my story of faith love and overcoming and in this book she tells her story of what she lost when she found

[02:53:27] out that her loving best friend dad was also the btk killer she talks about the personal hell that she endured and i think it's really really powerful i'm gonna leave a link in the show

[02:53:39] notes uh for this episode as well just in case you guys want to check that out but i want to end this episode with an audio clip uh i sampled this from an interview special that kerry did

[02:53:49] with pbs kansas new station in 2019 i'm also going to leave a link for the full thing in the show notes if you would like to check it out and i'm gonna play that for you now i lost myself

[02:54:06] like i lost myself when my dad was arrested i was being told in the national media pounded as btk's daughter we want an interview with btk's daughter you look at all the headlines even today if you

[02:54:18] were if you were to google me it's btk's daughter it's not kary rosson my book it's called a serial killer's daughter like i pushed back against that title but they're like that's what you are it took

[02:54:29] you know more than a decade to be able to say i'm btk's daughter i'm a serial killer's daughter this is my reality now how do i live and how do i function what do i do with that for good

[02:54:39] you know i've learned how to talk about it how to look people in the eye so that's better i mean i consider i can talk about it openly so in many ways i mean i'm healed in those ways but i don't

[02:54:52] think i'll ever be fully healed and i don't think the story will ever be over and that will conclude the final and second part of btk good fucking grief i am so happy that we're at the end of this i want

[02:55:15] this man out of my brain rotten tomatoes gave it a rank of one zero out of ten do not recommend so yeah like he is so lame right i mean it's definitely like i have nothing to say i have nothing

[02:55:33] to say i literally listen listen just it's the inside of my brain right now it's just crickets yeah it's just crickets it's the inside of my brain right now because like as the story was going along

[02:55:49] yeah i was piecing stuff together but then that that twist with the fucking address and the in the the word puzzles all of it all of it the cereal boxes the barbie dolls the pictures he really

[02:56:02] he builds you up to think that he may be some mastermind some mastermind but then the fucking i mean there's more than one point that i could technically make this point with but

[02:56:15] the fucking floppy disk it's like that part got me let me let me just ask you a question if i if i want to send a floppy disk if i if i want to communicate with y'all can that be traced just

[02:56:27] be honest just tell me the truth be honest tell me rex it will be okay what the fuck did he think was gonna have i mean obviously he was in dilulu land let's be honest but like well well it's like

[02:56:40] i said and i'll leave it at this is it's something that just blows my mind is that through his communications with the police as i said earlier it was a game he was convinced that these police

[02:56:53] officers were his buddies were his friends he could not imagine that they would lie to him and even when he got caught they arrested him they brought him in he gave over 30 hours of

[02:57:06] confession they just brought him in and he just talked and talked and he specifically said in his interrogation he was like i can't believe y'all lied to me he was like i thought we were i thought we had a barn i thought we were playing a game

[02:57:21] and you're fucking lie to me that is not even me that's what your bitch ass gets i'm not even trying to be funny he dead ass was just so shocked that they had lied to him

[02:57:37] he was like i thought y'all are my friends we've been writing back and forth for years and you lied to me yeah that part got me but you know what the baby part that yeah

[02:57:47] i'm done i'm done oh and another little end note that i want to make and then i'll tie this whole episode out but i thought this was very very touching i didn't really include it

[02:57:56] in my notes um but i did want to make it a point but charlie otero who was the oldest surviving otaro child and uh steve surely vian's child that denis followed home you know

[02:58:11] steve and charlie are like best friends they're like brothers oh yeah they they they met they talked they kind of like got to know each other they shared that grief of btk taking their family so now

[02:58:26] charlie and steve they basically have like this crazy great brother bond they talk all the time they hang out they fish they they've given interviews together like they became brothers basically i love

[02:58:39] that and i hate i hate the circumstance obviously right but the fact that they found each other and could kind of lean on one another and just kind of go through life i mean i just thought that was

[02:58:50] very inspiring it's just it's inspiring but it's also profound that sometimes you just even out of tragedy good things can come i mean you got to take the good things out of it if silver linings

[02:59:03] silver linings so that is uh i don't really have much else to say i think we've pretty much made it clear how i feel about this throughout the episode i know you guys are ready to be done

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