Multiple Murders Canadian Teen Killing Spree by Thats So Fcked Up

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[00:00:35] So it's a phenomenon that happens when a disordered bond or intimacy is created through violence.

[00:00:44] And this is a direct quote, a homicidal bromance is formed from each killing.

[00:00:49] I'm sorry, a psychologist said that?

[00:00:51] That's what I read.

[00:00:54] Is bromance like a?

[00:00:56] A homicidal bromance.

[00:00:57] So essentially every time they kill together, it deepens this weird, codependent, like close

[00:01:03] relationship they have.

[00:01:05] That is so fucked up.

[00:01:08] It's fucked up.

[00:01:10] I'm so fucked up.

[00:01:13] It is just so damn fucked up.

[00:01:19] That's fucked up.

[00:01:21] So the teen spree, it makes it sound more fun than it is.

[00:01:27] No, it's not like teen spirit.

[00:01:30] It doesn't smell like teen spirit.

[00:01:32] No, it's teen spree murder.

[00:01:36] I feel like we usually kind of avoid this kind of gun violence topic.

[00:01:43] It's so gosh just happening constantly here in the United States.

[00:01:49] I agree.

[00:01:50] We can't pretend that it's not happening.

[00:01:53] So we did want to just bring some awareness to some of the psychology behind why this

[00:02:02] seems to be such a mass epidemic, at least in our culture in the United States.

[00:02:07] But I believe our story today takes place in Canada, right?

[00:02:10] It does take place in Canada.

[00:02:12] Yeah, but it's still the same thing.

[00:02:14] I mean, there's still all the same psychological and like a big part of it,

[00:02:18] I think is in general society not supporting people to an extent when they need the help

[00:02:25] that could maybe stop them from doing these things.

[00:02:28] So today's going to be a really light episode.

[00:02:30] You guys welcome back to the podcast, That's So Fucked Up podcast about cults,

[00:02:36] murder and other generally fucked up stuff.

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[00:02:40] I'm Ashley Richards.

[00:02:41] And I'm Fallen Mori.

[00:02:42] And you've got a pretty bummer story for me today that I've been avoiding trying

[00:02:49] to put off hearing from you for a while.

[00:02:53] But I feel like once I tell it, we can go past it.

[00:02:56] But the victims in the story are all actually like really amazing people.

[00:03:01] And so I think it's nice to be able to talk about how great they were.

[00:03:05] And it's sad what happened to them.

[00:03:08] But it's also important to understand, like you said, like there are things

[00:03:12] that maybe could prevent some of this and we'll get through it.

[00:03:16] All right, let's go.

[00:03:17] Yeah.

[00:03:17] So it's probably going to be a little bit of a touchy subject,

[00:03:21] but I'm going to try to stay away from talking about gratuitous violence here

[00:03:25] and really going into gory details because I don't think we need that.

[00:03:28] We'll just cover what happened.

[00:03:29] No, no, we don't.

[00:03:30] Yeah.

[00:03:31] So this happened in 2019 as a scene setter in an early morning in July

[00:03:37] of 2019, a truck driver identified that there were two bodies laying in a ditch

[00:03:42] off of a highway in British Columbia.

[00:03:44] He stopped his truck and he called the police later.

[00:03:47] It's discovered that these two bodies belong to a young couple who are on a road

[00:03:51] trip and then just four days later and 300 miles away, Canadian police

[00:03:57] were called to this scene of another crime where they found the body

[00:04:00] of an older man who had also been killed in a similar fashion.

[00:04:04] And even though these scenes were really far away from each other,

[00:04:07] they were actually more connected than people originally realized and would kick

[00:04:12] off a weeks long manhunt through British Columbia, Canada.

[00:04:16] Oh, interesting.

[00:04:18] OK, actually, I have no idea about this story.

[00:04:21] Yeah.

[00:04:21] So it's interesting because there was just there was a manhunt

[00:04:25] and there were so many missed connections at first and we're going to get into that.

[00:04:30] But we're going to start with our couple.

[00:04:32] So Lucas Robertson Fowler and China Noel Dees, they were 23 and 24 respectively.

[00:04:39] They met while backpacking in Croatia in 2017.

[00:04:44] They both loved adventure and they love being outdoors.

[00:04:47] China was actually working in a hostel in Croatia.

[00:04:50] She was from America and they immediately hit it off.

[00:04:53] They met each other's families.

[00:04:55] Their families loved each other.

[00:04:57] Lucas was the youngest of four children.

[00:04:59] He loved adventure, the outdoors riding dirt bikes and camping.

[00:05:03] So good old outdoorsy kind of guy.

[00:05:06] And China enjoyed many of the same things.

[00:05:09] Both of them had three siblings, so they were close with their families.

[00:05:13] Lucas had studied mechanics in high school and he got a job as a rancher

[00:05:17] in British Columbia.

[00:05:18] And so he invited China out to British Columbia and the two of them

[00:05:22] were going to meet on the ranch and then take a road trip northward to Alaska.

[00:05:27] Kind of like a little lover's trip.

[00:05:29] I like that we're hearing about the victims because, I mean, we do our best,

[00:05:33] but sometimes we don't always get in a ton of information about the victims.

[00:05:38] So it's nice in this story that we are.

[00:05:40] Yeah, I totally agree.

[00:05:42] They were just this young couple in love.

[00:05:44] Lucas was from Australia, so they weren't even from the same continent.

[00:05:48] And yet they were still just making love work across the world.

[00:05:52] So China flew out to British Columbia to meet up with Lucas at the ranch

[00:05:57] and they spent a week there.

[00:05:58] And then they headed out on a road trip to North Alaska because I guess

[00:06:03] British Columbia is like south of Alaska, so you just kind of drive upward.

[00:06:07] Oh, that sounds like a dope road trip, dude.

[00:06:11] And guess what?

[00:06:11] They were traveling in a Chevrolet GMC van that Lucas had specially

[00:06:15] fixed up just for their road trip.

[00:06:17] So he made them a little like road trip fan, which is adorable.

[00:06:21] I had an Australian boyfriend who I had a road trip mini van with.

[00:06:27] What?

[00:06:28] And we drove to Mexico.

[00:06:30] Are you serious?

[00:06:31] Yeah, he was a dick, though.

[00:06:35] This guy sounds really nice.

[00:06:37] My Australian boyfriend was like, not that cool.

[00:06:40] So all's going well on their trip as they had Northward.

[00:06:44] There's actually this really cute but kind of heartbreaking picture of them.

[00:06:48] It was captured at a gas station in a town in British Columbia.

[00:06:52] They're seen on video embracing in a hug, but this is actually

[00:06:55] the last imagery of them alive.

[00:06:57] They're just like filling up with gas and hugging.

[00:06:59] A day later, they run into some trouble with their van and they pull off

[00:07:03] to the side of the road.

[00:07:04] Some tourists stop by and see that they're sort of fixing up the van

[00:07:09] that had broken down.

[00:07:10] One of the people that stopped to check on them was an older couple

[00:07:15] and the man was pretty good with cars and he checked in and said,

[00:07:19] oh, they seem happy.

[00:07:20] They're smiling.

[00:07:21] They're having a picnic out by the road.

[00:07:23] And Lucas was able to answer all the car questions.

[00:07:27] This guy asked him, so he's like, okay, this guy knows what he's doing.

[00:07:29] Like, he's got this.

[00:07:30] They're going to be fine.

[00:07:31] So they are on the side of the road.

[00:07:33] They're fixing their car and a road maintenance worker the same night

[00:07:38] is driving by around that area.

[00:07:40] And later she reported that she saw the van and she saw this

[00:07:45] couple in the road talking to a bearded man.

[00:07:48] And she said like there's something about it unsettled her,

[00:07:51] but she didn't see anything incredibly dangerous happening.

[00:07:54] So she went on her way and went home the next day at like six in the morning,

[00:07:59] a truck driver in the area sees two bodies that are laying in a ditch

[00:08:03] near the disabled van.

[00:08:05] He checks on them and notes that the bodies are already cold before

[00:08:09] seven a.m. on the same day.

[00:08:11] The maintenance worker that saw the couple asks a co-worker

[00:08:15] who's on duty to go check the scene.

[00:08:16] She's like something about that was really weird.

[00:08:18] I need to somebody should go check on them.

[00:08:21] Her co-worker goes to the scene and finds the truck driver directing traffic

[00:08:25] around the two people.

[00:08:26] And he's like visibly upset and he's freaked out because there's two

[00:08:30] dead bodies in the road.

[00:08:32] And they realize that the bodies are face down and it's clearly

[00:08:35] two people who are deceased.

[00:08:37] They're about 10 feet away from the van and each other.

[00:08:41] They call the RCMP, which is the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

[00:08:46] It's a mouthful from now on.

[00:08:47] I'm going to call them the RCMP.

[00:08:50] Don't they ride horses?

[00:08:52] I think they do, but I think they probably also don't all ride horses.

[00:08:56] Not strictly.

[00:08:57] Not strictly horses.

[00:09:01] So one of the people from the day before that had checked on them when

[00:09:04] they were fixing their van comes by because he was worried about them

[00:09:08] and they turn them around and they're like, um, there's an issue here.

[00:09:10] You got to go back.

[00:09:11] When the police arrive, they find that the back window of the van is

[00:09:15] shattered, the door is open.

[00:09:18] They find five used gun shell cases and note that both bodies have

[00:09:23] gun exit wounds on them.

[00:09:25] So it looks like they have unfortunately been shot and they find

[00:09:28] footprints leading away from the scene.

[00:09:30] They find China's cell phone and her credit cards, but they don't

[00:09:35] find Lucas' phone or anything similar.

[00:09:37] And then they positively identify the bodies of China Dease and Lucas

[00:09:43] Fowler and inform the family and the public about two days later.

[00:09:47] And how old were they?

[00:09:48] 23 and 24.

[00:09:51] I know.

[00:09:51] Okay, I didn't know this was going to be teenagers on the loose.

[00:09:57] I guess I just always assume that if teenagers are shooting people,

[00:10:00] it's at a school.

[00:10:01] No, it's so I just assumed this was a school shooting.

[00:10:04] I know.

[00:10:05] Unfortunately, because it's so prevalent, isn't it sad about

[00:10:08] society when you hear teenagers shooting and you're like,

[00:10:11] oh, school, oh, they probably shot several other students at their

[00:10:14] place of school.

[00:10:15] Right.

[00:10:16] Yeah.

[00:10:16] No, it's just that's what you assume.

[00:10:18] Yeah, it's this story is crazy.

[00:10:20] So let's go back a day from when China and Lucas are identified.

[00:10:25] A man named Leonard Dick leaves home in Vancouver and he's in a

[00:10:30] gray Toyota RAV4.

[00:10:31] I'm telling you that because it will be important.

[00:10:34] He's going on a solo trip to see Grizzlies in northern

[00:10:37] British Columbia.

[00:10:38] And I guess he does this pretty often.

[00:10:41] He tells his wife, Helen, that he plans to return by the

[00:10:44] 24th of July.

[00:10:45] He pretty often would go out just to like take in nature.

[00:10:49] He'd drive his RAV4 to like a campground.

[00:10:51] He would watch animals and then he would go home.

[00:10:54] It was just like his happy place.

[00:10:55] Okay, isn't that crazy though?

[00:10:57] Cause it sounds like he's going to be a victim that he was going

[00:11:01] to do this very dangerous thing.

[00:11:04] Watch Grizzly Bears.

[00:11:05] Yeah, you know, Grizzly Bears are.

[00:11:07] Did you see Grizzly Man?

[00:11:08] No.

[00:11:09] God damn.

[00:11:12] We should have a shirt that says, did you see dot, dot, dot?

[00:11:16] God damn it fell.

[00:11:17] Oh my God.

[00:11:18] Added to the merch store.

[00:11:20] I will buy one for everyone in my family.

[00:11:22] Well, I don't want to spoil Grizzly Bear for you.

[00:11:25] It is like a 20 year old documentary.

[00:11:27] It's called Grizzly Man actually.

[00:11:28] But this guy, he goes and essentially lives with Grizzly

[00:11:32] Bears a bunch and then he takes his girlfriend to live

[00:11:38] with him and the Grizzly Bears.

[00:11:39] And then they both get killed by the Grizzlies.

[00:11:42] Yeah.

[00:11:43] So the point is don't fuck with Grizzly Bears.

[00:11:47] And it's just crazy that this guy was kind of going to do

[00:11:50] that like a little bit, at least, you know, be in their vicinity.

[00:11:53] I think he would do, he was very respectful of nature

[00:11:56] because he was a pretty accomplished outdoorsman and he

[00:11:59] had a master's and a PhD in botany and he was a college

[00:12:02] lecturer.

[00:12:03] So he would like go on these trips and sometimes he would

[00:12:06] take students on trips to see things in nature.

[00:12:08] So I'm guessing that he was pretty like respectful of the natural world.

[00:12:13] He was bear aware.

[00:12:14] He was.

[00:12:18] Sorry, just like, you know, I have to interject jokes into really serious episodes.

[00:12:25] Some of the ones that come out are like, I was not expecting bear aware,

[00:12:31] but I want that to be on a t-shirt like a bear with binoculars.

[00:12:36] Or like be bear aware.

[00:12:43] He was known to have kind of like a grizzly bear, a tough exterior,

[00:12:48] but all his students love that he had this incredible passion and curiosity for the world.

[00:12:53] He was said to have a bushy white beard, kind eyes and a mischievous smile.

[00:12:58] So it was sort of like Santa Claus.

[00:13:00] I was literally going to say, are you describing this dude or Santa?

[00:13:04] Well, yes.

[00:13:09] So he texts his wife like once a day.

[00:13:11] She's used to him doing this says, hey, I'm fine.

[00:13:14] I love you.

[00:13:15] He texts his wife on July 18th and that turns out to be the last one from him on July 19th,

[00:13:21] which is now two days after Lucas and China's identity has been released to their parents.

[00:13:27] Two days later, a road worker passing near the scene calls the RCMP to report

[00:13:33] there's a body in a pullout on Highway 37 near Dees Lake in British Columbia,

[00:13:39] which is about 300 miles away from Lucas and China's crime scene.

[00:13:43] Damn, yeah.

[00:13:44] That's far.

[00:13:45] Yeah.

[00:13:45] It's far away, which is why nobody thought they could be connected at first.

[00:13:49] Right?

[00:13:49] They didn't think like this is the same thing.

[00:13:51] Do you know how many kilometers that is?

[00:13:53] No, damn it, because I converted all of them from kilometers to miles

[00:13:57] and I did not leave the kilometers in.

[00:14:00] I mean, you just could have because like maybe our Canadian.

[00:14:03] Or maybe you could look it up and tell me.

[00:14:06] I mean, are we the only ones who use miles?

[00:14:08] Yes.

[00:14:09] Like a bunch of assholes like a bunch of assholes.

[00:14:12] I've seen jokes where it'll be like, OK, the distance between these two is about,

[00:14:17] you know, three and a half small pigs and people are like Americans will do anything

[00:14:22] to avoid using the metric system.

[00:14:26] True.

[00:14:27] I don't know why.

[00:14:28] So the police find that the body there is a man in his 50s to 60s.

[00:14:33] He has gray hair and a heavy build.

[00:14:35] It's clear that he was killed by a gunshot similar to China and Lucas.

[00:14:40] His truck is also missing.

[00:14:42] And the police find that the wounds are made by bullets from something called an SKS rifle.

[00:14:47] A few hours later, the police hear that two highway workers near there saw

[00:14:52] a garbage can fire the previous night and think, well, could that be related?

[00:14:57] And witnesses stop by who are going by the murder scene.

[00:15:02] Tell the police that in a bathroom nearby, there's just walls in a public

[00:15:07] restroom nearby.

[00:15:07] The walls are covered in blood.

[00:15:09] The walls on the floor.

[00:15:10] Whoa.

[00:15:11] So about the same time that Leonard's body is discovered in another location

[00:15:17] about a mile north, they.

[00:15:19] Oh, yes.

[00:15:20] Spoiler alert.

[00:15:20] The body is Leonard's body.

[00:15:23] Yeah, I figured.

[00:15:25] They find a burning truck in a pullout about a mile north of his body.

[00:15:29] The RCMP are called to the scene and they find that the truck that's burning is

[00:15:34] not Leonard's, but it's a gray and red Dodge pickup truck.

[00:15:37] This truck was being driven by two teenagers named Cam

[00:15:41] McLeod and Briar Schmigelsky who are 19 and 18 years old and it's

[00:15:46] registered to McLeod's parents.

[00:15:49] Briar Schmigelsky.

[00:15:53] Okay.

[00:15:55] But at the time this wasn't like a, hey, these kids are up to something.

[00:15:58] They were like, we just found a body and we found another burned out truck a

[00:16:03] mile north.

[00:16:04] Like these kids.

[00:16:05] Are the kids okay?

[00:16:06] Yeah, exactly.

[00:16:07] So right.

[00:16:08] And then they call around and their, the family is like, wait, the last time

[00:16:12] we talked to them was like around the 17th.

[00:16:14] That's been two days.

[00:16:15] Like we don't know where they are.

[00:16:17] And so the police released the photos of the two teens who are now

[00:16:21] being declared as missing.

[00:16:23] Whoa.

[00:16:24] Plot twist.

[00:16:25] Right.

[00:16:26] So things are about to get super interesting.

[00:16:29] Let's rewind.

[00:16:30] On July 12th, so around the same time that Lucas and China take off for their

[00:16:36] trip and at the same time Leonard is about to take off for his trip,

[00:16:40] McLeod and Schmigelsky leave their home.

[00:16:42] I want to call him something else.

[00:16:44] Schmigelsky?

[00:16:45] I cannot.

[00:16:46] No, just call them by their first names.

[00:16:47] What are their first names again?

[00:16:49] I didn't write them all through the document because normally

[00:16:51] we call the perpetrators by their last names.

[00:16:54] Okay.

[00:16:55] Cam and Briar leave their home in Fort Albany, British Columbia,

[00:17:00] and they tell their families they're going to look for work in the Yukon.

[00:17:03] They're driving in McLeod's parents' gray and red Dodge truck that had a camper on it.

[00:17:08] So this is the truck that would later be found burning,

[00:17:12] which is why they think the teens are missing.

[00:17:14] Both of the kids had worked at Walmart and they wanted to find better paying jobs.

[00:17:18] The town they're from is really small, like 35,000 people.

[00:17:21] And it was a town that had a reputation for crime.

[00:17:25] It was part of a depressed forestry economy and also known for some issues with racism.

[00:17:30] You cannot even tell me that a town sucks now after we just talked about Skidmore

[00:17:37] Missouri recently.

[00:17:39] Like you just can't.

[00:17:39] So for those who haven't heard, Ash and I just recorded an episode about a

[00:17:44] small town that is 400 people and puts my small town to shame with its issues.

[00:17:50] Well, it was actually last week.

[00:17:51] So they've heard and I think they would agree that sorry, Fallon, it's hard to beat.

[00:17:58] The two had grown up together.

[00:17:59] They were friends since elementary school.

[00:18:01] Briar had lived with his grandmother for two years.

[00:18:04] He was apparently struggling after his parents divorced.

[00:18:06] They used to spend time together shooting airsoft guns.

[00:18:10] They were gamers and they like to play shooter and survivalist computer games.

[00:18:14] The teens start to travel and as they do, they stop at a Cabela's and they

[00:18:18] purchase a Soviet SKS carbine semi-automatic rifle along with two

[00:18:23] magazines and 20 rounds of ammunition like you do.

[00:18:26] One of the teens, so Cam was able to purchase this because he had a legal

[00:18:32] possession and ammunition license.

[00:18:34] So he's able to walk in and just buy this gun and on they go.

[00:18:38] So Canada is not super strict on their gun laws.

[00:18:41] No background check required.

[00:18:43] I'm not sure.

[00:18:43] I have to look that up.

[00:18:44] And what year was this?

[00:18:45] 2019.

[00:18:46] It looks like you just have to have a firearms certificate.

[00:18:50] Yeah, so I think the background checks sort of happens up front.

[00:18:53] You do a background check.

[00:18:54] You have to provide references for them to call and check with looking at a

[00:18:59] website and then they issue you this firearms or ammunition license.

[00:19:04] And then you can purchase a weapon.

[00:19:05] So you sort of get vetted up front, I think.

[00:19:07] Well, that's a lot better than what we're down here.

[00:19:10] Yes.

[00:19:11] But Cam, the one who purchased the weapon, his girlfriend contacts him as the

[00:19:16] two teens are driving and asks him why he left town without saying goodbye.

[00:19:19] And he says, seriously?

[00:19:21] Sorry, but I'm not coming back.

[00:19:23] So later, obviously all of these things are pieced together later on.

[00:19:29] So what they start to realize looking back is that on the day that China

[00:19:34] and Lucas's bodies were found at around 325 a.m., the teens' truck is seen

[00:19:39] making a stop at a gas station about 100 miles north of Lucas in China's

[00:19:44] disabled van.

[00:19:45] Later, the same day their truck is seen at a gas station where one of them

[00:19:49] buys a gas can on the same day.

[00:19:53] So right after the murder of Lucas in China, Cam tells his parents that

[00:19:57] they are in the Yukon, which they're not.

[00:20:00] And the other God, what's his name?

[00:20:03] Briar tells his grandma that it wasn't really what we expected, but they

[00:20:07] never tell anyone where they're headed.

[00:20:09] They just are like, OK, we got where we're going.

[00:20:12] We're done.

[00:20:12] So the police start to piece together the evidence.

[00:20:16] They realize that the missing teens were also seen right kind of in this

[00:20:23] vicinity of where Leonard died and they're driving Leonard Dick's

[00:20:27] grade Toyota RAV4.

[00:20:29] Oh, that's a bold move to drive your victim's car.

[00:20:36] Yeah.

[00:20:37] But I guess also, I mean, not to be like raiding their criminal

[00:20:41] performance, but I guess burning their own car was a pretty good distraction tactic.

[00:20:47] So to summarize, they leave at the same time as Lucas in China.

[00:20:52] They kill Lucas in China.

[00:20:55] They keep heading north.

[00:20:56] They kill Leonard.

[00:20:58] They burn their own car.

[00:21:00] They steal Leonard's car and then they call their families and essentially say,

[00:21:04] like, we're fine.

[00:21:05] We're here.

[00:21:06] And Cam tells his girlfriend I'm not coming back.

[00:21:09] So that's.

[00:21:10] And does she know what this means at that point?

[00:21:12] No, she's just like, she kind of calls him and she's like, you left town

[00:21:16] and you didn't say goodbye.

[00:21:17] You didn't talk to nothing.

[00:21:18] And he's like, whatever, I'm not coming back.

[00:21:20] That's it.

[00:21:21] So soon this is leading into a manhunt that's going to stretch

[00:21:26] across four Canadian provinces and last for 28 days to find these kids.

[00:21:32] Right after Leonard's.

[00:21:34] Wait, how many days?

[00:21:35] 28 days.

[00:21:37] Whoa.

[00:21:38] Spanning 1,865 miles.

[00:21:43] That's crazy.

[00:21:44] That has to be one of their record manhunts.

[00:21:47] That's yeah, it's a pretty intense manhunt in terms of, I guess.

[00:21:52] Oh, it is considered to be Canada's longest running and most far reaching

[00:21:57] manhunt to date.

[00:21:58] Wow.

[00:21:59] Yeah.

[00:21:59] I mean, that doesn't.

[00:22:03] I'm surprised that it was a couple of teenagers.

[00:22:06] I know.

[00:22:06] That's.

[00:22:07] And it doesn't sound like they were particularly organized.

[00:22:10] Like it doesn't sound like they were like, OK, we're going to get in our

[00:22:12] van, buy a gun and go hunt people.

[00:22:14] Like I don't know if it's just sort of going to happen.

[00:22:18] So right after Leonard is found on July 20th, police release a sketch of a bearded

[00:22:24] man that road worker who had seen China and Lucas, who she had described talking

[00:22:29] to the couple in the road.

[00:22:31] And as it happens, Cam Mcgoyd has a beard.

[00:22:36] So he is a bearded man.

[00:22:38] Thank you for that.

[00:22:39] Yes.

[00:22:40] So he is a bearded man.

[00:22:42] He is a bearded man.

[00:22:43] I'm just trying to catch everyone up.

[00:22:45] Thank you.

[00:22:45] Police still at this point, though, think the boys are just in danger and missing.

[00:22:50] So they speak to Cam's family.

[00:22:53] The family says we're really concerned for the teen safety.

[00:22:57] They told the police that the boys had quit their Walmart jobs and they were

[00:23:00] going to look for work.

[00:23:02] Police also speak to Briar's grandmother, who says they kind of left on a

[00:23:07] sudden trip up north.

[00:23:08] He was apparently rejected by a girl and was upset.

[00:23:12] So, oh, poor baby.

[00:23:13] Let me.

[00:23:14] Oh, no.

[00:23:17] Time to go commit crimes again right after a few days after Leonard's murder.

[00:23:22] The two are seen in Leonard's RAV4 in Saskatchewan.

[00:23:26] Police start to track movements because now they're thinking like, OK,

[00:23:31] something isn't matching up.

[00:23:32] Like I don't.

[00:23:33] Are these teens really missing?

[00:23:39] So the day after the RCMP sends bulletins to Canadian law enforcement

[00:23:45] and they're trying to limit the movement of these teens.

[00:23:48] Like they're definitely becoming suspects at this point, but the teens

[00:23:52] had already reached Manitoba, Canada and were able to get through a checkpoint

[00:23:57] before the police had alerted like all the provincial checkpoints

[00:24:00] to look for these guys.

[00:24:07] So they speak to their parents again.

[00:24:09] The parents tell them, well, the boys are experienced in the outdoors

[00:24:13] and they consider themselves survivalists.

[00:24:16] Briar acknowledges that his son had a difficult upbringing due to his

[00:24:20] parents' divorce and that he was heavily influenced by YouTube and video games.

[00:24:25] No, I don't buy it.

[00:24:26] The let me blame in case my son's done anything wrong.

[00:24:30] It's YouTube's fault, right?

[00:24:31] YouTube did it.

[00:24:32] Yeah.

[00:24:33] You know, like I know the argument between like, oh, does video games cause violence?

[00:24:39] It's I do think it's it's an interesting argument.

[00:24:43] But there are also plenty of people who play grand theft auto and shit,

[00:24:51] who never once go and actually physically hurt a person in real life.

[00:24:56] No, my husband plays all sorts of video games where he's like aliens

[00:25:00] that are shooting guns and my husband doesn't own a gun.

[00:25:04] We own no guns and like he is the most relaxed and docile person ever.

[00:25:10] So there is not an automatic link there.

[00:25:13] I don't buy it.

[00:25:14] So a call from a witness suggests to the police that the two boys

[00:25:20] were involved in the murders at this point, like duh, they have them

[00:25:23] in a murdered man's car tracking them through Canada.

[00:25:28] Yeah, it's not looking good.

[00:25:30] The witness's name is never released.

[00:25:32] So they don't know we don't know who actually called that tip in.

[00:25:36] The RCMP releases the sketch of the third victim

[00:25:39] who at this point has still not been identified.

[00:25:41] And then Helen Dick recognizes her husband Leonard as the man in the sketch.

[00:25:47] Oh, that's such a bummer way to find out.

[00:25:50] Yeah. The RCMP in Northern Manitoba

[00:25:53] get a report of a vehicle fire in a remote location near the Fox Tree

[00:25:58] Cree Nation and this is the RAV4 which belonged to Leonard Dick.

[00:26:03] It's been abandoned and set on fire.

[00:26:06] Finally, at this point, Cam and Briar are considered suspects

[00:26:11] and are actually arrestable.

[00:26:13] So they start to if they can find them, but they can put out public details

[00:26:18] and say these guys are out there, they're armed and dangerous.

[00:26:21] They're suspects in two murders.

[00:26:23] We thought they were missing.

[00:26:24] They're not. They're bad guys.

[00:26:25] In three murders, really?

[00:26:27] Sorry. Yes. Three murders. Two murder scenes.

[00:26:30] I'm sorry. Three murders.

[00:26:31] A lot of these facts would be released later,

[00:26:34] but the same type of ammo that killed Lucas in China

[00:26:37] was found near the teens burned out truck.

[00:26:40] And so was the nozzle from the gas can

[00:26:43] that they were seen on video, I think, purchasing before they

[00:26:47] they had committed their first murder.

[00:26:49] A SIM card from Cam's cell phone was also found just down a path

[00:26:54] near Leonard Dick's body.

[00:26:56] So they're not the greatest at cleaning up after their crime scenes.

[00:27:01] Wait, at the garbage can fire they set later.

[00:27:04] The one that somebody had reported to the police,

[00:27:06] they found Cam's Walmart ID badge.

[00:27:08] OK, that's that's bad.

[00:27:11] But they were able to evade capture for a really long time.

[00:27:16] Yeah. So it seems a long time, but about four days after Leonard

[00:27:21] is identified, warrants are put out for them

[00:27:24] officially for questioning in the murders of Leonard,

[00:27:28] Lucas and China.

[00:27:29] And that's when they begin this kind of like massive manhunt.

[00:27:32] Lucas's father from Australia is actually a police chief

[00:27:37] inspector in the New South Wales Police Force.

[00:27:40] So he fights crime and hunts criminals for living.

[00:27:43] He comes out from Australia to Canada because he wants to bring

[00:27:47] his son's body home.

[00:27:48] He gets there and he talks to the media and he says that

[00:27:52] the deaths of Lucas and China were such a tragic end to a

[00:27:55] love story of an inseparable couple, which breaks my heart.

[00:28:00] Yeah. So at this point, they interview there.

[00:28:05] I think there's like regular just a media circus happening

[00:28:08] according to Briar's dad.

[00:28:11] His son was in serious pain emotionally before he left.

[00:28:15] And he suspects that his son is not going to return alive.

[00:28:19] In contrast, Cam's father states that his son was kind

[00:28:23] and considerate, and he just wanted to get to the bottom of this.

[00:28:28] Somebody's been fooled.

[00:28:31] You got punked, son.

[00:28:33] Yeah. Sorry, dad. Yeah.

[00:28:35] In the week and a half that follows the manhunt intensifies,

[00:28:39] military forces are brought in to help the manhunt, including

[00:28:43] this is bananas, tracker dogs, a drone, a helicopter,

[00:28:47] armored vehicles and officers who have specialized wilderness training.

[00:28:52] So like the full force of the Canadian police

[00:28:56] and military hunting for these teenagers. Wow.

[00:29:00] They enlist the help of a man named Billy Beardy, who is a Cree

[00:29:04] trapper and a construction supervisor who is part of the Cree,

[00:29:09] which are an indigenous people living in central Canada.

[00:29:12] He is very familiar with that area of the land and they enlist

[00:29:16] him to help in the manhunt.

[00:29:18] His help actually provides a turning point in the search

[00:29:21] because as the search parties are looking around a river

[00:29:24] called the Nelson River, which is something that the teens

[00:29:27] would probably have to cross to continue on their journey.

[00:29:31] Beardy sees a raven flying by and he knows that it's the only

[00:29:36] reason or one of the only reasons a raven would be there

[00:29:38] would be that it would be scavenging off remains.

[00:29:41] So they could be of an animal, but they could also be of people

[00:29:45] depending on what happened to the kids.

[00:29:49] So around two weeks later,

[00:29:51] whoa.

[00:29:52] Okay.

[00:29:53] If you tell me that they're found dead in the wilderness,

[00:29:57] I'm going to, this is going to be a crazy story.

[00:30:00] Is that coming?

[00:30:01] Hold the brakes because you're going to it's so August 1st,

[00:30:06] two weeks after around the murders happen first,

[00:30:09] they find cams wallet and backpack with clothing

[00:30:12] and ammo.

[00:30:13] It's been left behind.

[00:30:14] So the authorities start searching that same river again.

[00:30:18] They find a damaged boat and they bring in divers,

[00:30:21] but on August 7th, the bodies of cam and briar are found

[00:30:26] in a dense bushy area near the Nelson River

[00:30:29] in Northern Manitoba.

[00:30:31] Basically where the Cree member Billy had told them to look

[00:30:37] crazy.

[00:30:38] Whoa.

[00:30:39] Right.

[00:30:40] They're found about five miles from where they found

[00:30:43] Leonard's burned out truck and they're found with a lot

[00:30:46] of unused ammunition.

[00:30:48] So they basically think that they wanted to keep traveling

[00:30:54] and they were trying to like evade, but they got stuck

[00:30:57] because there's a river, but they might have kept doing

[00:30:59] this if they had not been pinned in.

[00:31:01] Like they were ready to keep doing this.

[00:31:03] They found two SKS rifles where the bodies are.

[00:31:07] So they had two guns and tons of ammunition.

[00:31:11] One of them had been purchased on their trip,

[00:31:13] but then they realized later that one was probably

[00:31:16] purchased by them before they ever left their hometown.

[00:31:19] So they left home preparing to like kill people.

[00:31:23] Dude.

[00:31:24] Oh my God.

[00:31:26] I've been avoiding you telling this story for a while

[00:31:29] because I literally just thought it was going to be

[00:31:31] kids shot up a school and then it was a giant bummer.

[00:31:37] Yeah, but this is crazy.

[00:31:40] Also a giant bummer, but like what the fuck?

[00:31:43] Right.

[00:31:44] Like how did two teenage boys get away with like cause

[00:31:48] this enormous manhunt to happen?

[00:31:50] And then in the end they cause their own demise as well.

[00:31:54] Yeah.

[00:31:55] The RCMP thinks that Cam shot Briar and then himself

[00:31:58] in a suicide pact.

[00:32:00] Oh, okay.

[00:32:01] So maybe they just got to the point where they were like,

[00:32:05] dude, we are not.

[00:32:08] Yeah.

[00:32:09] We're not going to get away from this.

[00:32:11] No, and they think that the boys were actually dead for

[00:32:14] several days when they were found and they were found on

[00:32:16] August 7th.

[00:32:17] So that means that they only made it for like two weeks

[00:32:22] of running and then they just kind of were like,

[00:32:24] oh, a river we're stuck.

[00:32:26] That's it.

[00:32:27] They just gave up.

[00:32:29] Okay.

[00:32:30] Well, I'll shoot you.

[00:32:32] You shoot me.

[00:32:33] Shoot me.

[00:32:34] So later on authorities find that they had stolen

[00:32:38] Leonard's digital camera.

[00:32:40] And then so later on authorities find several videos

[00:32:44] that the teens had recorded on the camera on the

[00:32:47] videos they admit to the three killings,

[00:32:49] but they express absolutely no regret for them.

[00:32:53] They also said on the videos they wanted to kill

[00:32:56] more people, but they thought that they might be

[00:32:58] dead within a week.

[00:32:59] Okay.

[00:33:00] Well, good.

[00:33:01] Yeah.

[00:33:02] If their plan is just to like run around and kill people,

[00:33:04] then that's probably for the best.

[00:33:06] Sorry.

[00:33:07] Fuck these little psychopaths.

[00:33:09] Yes.

[00:33:10] I'm glad that that went down perfectly.

[00:33:13] Them dying in the woods together.

[00:33:16] That's what they deserved.

[00:33:18] They said that their plan was to hike to Hudson

[00:33:20] Bay, hijack a boat, and then go to either

[00:33:23] Europe or Africa.

[00:33:25] Now this is from the middle to western part of

[00:33:31] Canada.

[00:33:32] And I don't know if they were good students of

[00:33:34] geography, but that will take you a very long time

[00:33:38] in a rowboat because it's literally across the

[00:33:41] fucking world.

[00:33:43] Stop it.

[00:33:44] They were going to escape in a fucking rowboat

[00:33:47] boat to go to Africa.

[00:33:49] They just said we're going to hijack a boat and

[00:33:51] go to Europe or Africa.

[00:33:53] Okay.

[00:33:54] I doubt it was.

[00:33:55] I bet they were planning on like hijacking a yacht

[00:33:58] or something.

[00:33:59] But also, do these kids know how to fucking

[00:34:02] navigate the seas?

[00:34:04] That's ridiculous.

[00:34:05] Well, especially because when you consider that

[00:34:07] one video they made said they had reached a large

[00:34:10] fast-moving river so they may have to commit

[00:34:13] suicide.

[00:34:14] So if they were going to commit suicide because

[00:34:16] they reached a river, it is very doubtful they

[00:34:19] would have made it across three oceans in a

[00:34:22] rowboat.

[00:34:23] Right.

[00:34:24] They're like, a river?

[00:34:26] Yeah.

[00:34:27] You know what?

[00:34:28] That's not happening.

[00:34:29] Did you know that the fucking pioneers wouldn't

[00:34:32] have gotten to the West if they didn't risk

[00:34:37] themselves and their entire fucking families

[00:34:40] going across rivers like punk bitches?

[00:34:43] But you know what?

[00:34:44] I'm kind of glad that they were like, oh, we

[00:34:46] give up because we don't need them killing

[00:34:48] any more people.

[00:34:49] They, oh for sure.

[00:34:50] Now I'm very glad about that too.

[00:34:56] They made a video where they said that they had

[00:34:59] shaved in preparation for their deaths, a bunch

[00:35:02] of weirdos.

[00:35:03] But they were sad about dying because they still

[00:35:06] wanted to kill more people and they described

[00:35:09] in their last will and testament on video that

[00:35:12] they wanted to be cremated.

[00:35:14] None of the videos had a time stamp on them

[00:35:17] so they don't know if they made all of them

[00:35:19] right after they killed Leonard or right

[00:35:21] before they died that just, they're not

[00:35:23] time stamped at all.

[00:35:24] And they actually, it was found out later that

[00:35:27] they almost killed a fourth victim.

[00:35:30] There was a photographer from Alaska who stopped

[00:35:33] for a nap in a pullout.

[00:35:34] He had been driving for like 15 hours.

[00:35:36] He stopped on the Alaska highway.

[00:35:38] It was about 500 miles from where Lucas and

[00:35:40] China were found but it would have been

[00:35:42] where they were passing by.

[00:35:44] So dude climbs into the back seat for his nap,

[00:35:47] takes his pants off and then he sees a

[00:35:49] pickup truck pull over ahead of him.

[00:35:52] A tall skinny male passenger gets out with a long

[00:35:55] gun and heads toward the side of the road

[00:35:57] in the tree line and starts coming toward

[00:35:59] him in a tactical or hunting stance.

[00:36:01] That's how he describes it.

[00:36:02] The pickup truck also turns around and

[00:36:05] starts coming toward where he is and blocks

[00:36:08] his exit.

[00:36:09] He felt like he was being ambushed so he

[00:36:11] jumps back in the driver's seat, gets away

[00:36:13] but didn't get a look at the driver.

[00:36:15] However, it's likely his instincts saved

[00:36:18] his life.

[00:36:19] Woof.

[00:36:20] Whoa.

[00:36:21] Dude, this story is-

[00:36:23] Bananas.

[00:36:24] So the worst thing is that no true motive

[00:36:27] was ever discovered but there is some insight

[00:36:30] into their behavior.

[00:36:32] The two were childhood friends and had bonded

[00:36:34] over violence and killing not just in their

[00:36:36] games but they used to play like, you know

[00:36:39] like violent hunting games and they used

[00:36:41] to spend a lot of time outdoors.

[00:36:43] The teens would often display racist and

[00:36:46] violent rants on social media.

[00:36:48] A former seventh grade classmate of Breyer

[00:36:51] said there were times he would tell me and

[00:36:54] my friends that he wanted to kill us

[00:36:56] and then himself which is scary.

[00:36:58] Like fucking understatement, that's real

[00:37:00] scary.

[00:37:01] I'm just like, hey what's up Fallon?

[00:37:03] Kind of want to kill you.

[00:37:04] Like that's not comforting in a friendship.

[00:37:07] And I'd be like welcome to the very last

[00:37:09] episode of That's So Fucked Up,

[00:37:11] a podcast about colds murder and other

[00:37:13] generally fucked up stuff.

[00:37:14] I'll be moving.

[00:37:15] Everybody runs, she's crazy.

[00:37:17] The same classmate also said that this

[00:37:20] was when they were in seventh grade

[00:37:22] this kid was saying this like when he

[00:37:24] was 13 he was already saying this stuff.

[00:37:27] He said that one of my friends also

[00:37:30] commented that Breyer said he wanted

[00:37:32] to kill his whole family.

[00:37:34] Dude are these, I feel like are these

[00:37:36] kids just born evil?

[00:37:38] I don't kind of thing.

[00:37:39] I don't know.

[00:37:40] A criminologist said that they may

[00:37:43] have been driven by anger but it could

[00:37:45] also be an underlying paraffilia of some

[00:37:48] sort or a psychological defect.

[00:37:50] So potentially born with some sort of

[00:37:53] instinct.

[00:37:54] He also noted that this was an

[00:37:56] example of a team killer.

[00:37:58] So two of the cases he, one of the

[00:38:01] cases he notes that you've covered

[00:38:03] is Paul Bernardo and Carla Hamulca,

[00:38:05] the Barbie and Ken killers.

[00:38:07] He says that there were 120 similar

[00:38:10] cases in the U.S. and three in Canada.

[00:38:13] So it's a phenomenon that happens when

[00:38:16] a disordered bond or intimacy is created

[00:38:19] through violence and basically like a,

[00:38:22] this is a direct quote, a homicidal

[00:38:24] bromance is formed from each killing.

[00:38:27] I'm sorry a psychologist said that.

[00:38:29] That's what I read.

[00:38:32] Is bromance like a homicidal

[00:38:34] bromance?

[00:38:35] So essentially every time they kill

[00:38:37] together it deepens this weird

[00:38:39] codependent like close relationship

[00:38:42] they have because they're like united

[00:38:44] through their violent act and it,

[00:38:46] it makes them closer bonded but it

[00:38:48] also makes them more violent as they

[00:38:50] go.

[00:38:51] Homicidal bromance band name called it.

[00:38:55] I mean ultimately these teens

[00:38:57] behavior was blamed on a lot of

[00:38:59] things but it appears that so many

[00:39:01] people just like the cases you

[00:39:03] hear in the U.S. when people say,

[00:39:05] oh yeah, like I thought it was weird

[00:39:07] that the guy was posting rants where

[00:39:09] he was holding a gun but I was

[00:39:11] really surprised when he went

[00:39:13] and shot like people at his college

[00:39:16] and then like you find out that there

[00:39:18] is like a long history.

[00:39:20] I mean one of them was telling his

[00:39:22] classmates he wanted to kill them

[00:39:24] when he was 13 and they were both

[00:39:26] posting like racist violent rants

[00:39:28] on social media long before they

[00:39:30] ever took off on their trip.

[00:39:32] So all that was just sort of ignored.

[00:39:34] Right, where is the intervention

[00:39:36] in these cases? Where is

[00:39:38] somebody saying that's alarming?

[00:39:40] Let's, uh, well

[00:39:42] and the one kid was I guess sent

[00:39:44] to live with his grandmother because

[00:39:46] his parents divorce was really

[00:39:48] upsetting but the kids dad

[00:39:50] was still in his life and was like, oh

[00:39:52] yeah, I knew my son was in a ton of pain

[00:39:54] when he left so I'm

[00:39:56] not surprised if he doesn't come home.

[00:39:58] Like if you knew he was in that much pain

[00:40:00] why did you just go okay

[00:40:02] go live with grandma? Like he, maybe

[00:40:04] he could have gotten help. We don't know.

[00:40:06] So there is something sweet

[00:40:08] that I found that I

[00:40:10] a trucker named Ed Grenan

[00:40:12] in Canada who had lost his own

[00:40:14] daughter at a young age

[00:40:16] found the spot where Lucas

[00:40:18] and China had died and he put up

[00:40:20] a memorial for them where people can

[00:40:22] visit and leave messages and flowers.

[00:40:24] So yeah, he just

[00:40:26] went and did that on his own.

[00:40:28] It's interesting because I found a map

[00:40:30] of this and this manhunt was

[00:40:32] like it goes all the way from the

[00:40:34] sort of western edge of Canada

[00:40:36] and British Columbia and

[00:40:38] Manitoba is four provinces

[00:40:40] over so they were found

[00:40:42] halfway across Canada

[00:40:44] almost this enormous

[00:40:46] expanse covered by these kids.

[00:40:48] I wonder how much of that they were

[00:40:50] tromping through the woods for

[00:40:52] I wonder if they just were like, oh

[00:40:54] we're adventurers now. We're just

[00:40:56] killing people. We've watched so many

[00:40:58] episodes of Bear Grills

[00:41:00] we definitely know how to

[00:41:02] fucking go survive there.

[00:41:04] So unfortunately

[00:41:06] maybe if somebody had intervened

[00:41:08] it probably could have been prevented but

[00:41:10] ultimately all of the

[00:41:12] people who were killed really loved

[00:41:14] to be outdoors and it's sad that they

[00:41:16] were just kind of in the wrong place at the

[00:41:18] wrong time like they weren't targeted

[00:41:20] specifically they just literally

[00:41:22] stopped on the wrong road. Just kind

[00:41:24] of a bummer. Yeah, so

[00:41:26] I guess that's why it always stayed

[00:41:28] away from these teen gun

[00:41:30] violence stories. I guess

[00:41:32] I just struggle to find

[00:41:34] like what do we learn from that other than

[00:41:36] there should be intervention

[00:41:38] when kids are showing

[00:41:40] violent tendencies

[00:41:42] and right. I think

[00:41:44] an important message like I guess as a parent

[00:41:46] pay attention

[00:41:48] to what your kids are watching

[00:41:50] and as a friend or a classmate

[00:41:52] like it's not your responsibility

[00:41:54] to stop anyone but like if you see

[00:41:56] something weird we've talked about so many other

[00:41:58] times like if that weird

[00:42:00] instinct hits and you're like okay I just

[00:42:02] saw the scariest Facebook post

[00:42:04] ever by a classmate in my class

[00:42:06] tell somebody. Yeah, it

[00:42:08] might be nothing but it might be something

[00:42:10] and if you I guess like

[00:42:12] the thing I always notice is you hear so

[00:42:14] much about people that

[00:42:16] are starting to like fall off the rails

[00:42:18] but they don't have

[00:42:20] a resource to get the care they need

[00:42:22] and I could go on for hours about how

[00:42:24] hard it is to get mental health care

[00:42:26] especially in the US

[00:42:28] because it's prohibitively expensive

[00:42:30] if you're not an insurance

[00:42:32] it can be really hard and there are places

[00:42:34] that you can go that offer

[00:42:36] care but sometimes it's really hard

[00:42:38] if you go through like a place online to get a

[00:42:40] consistent therapist you can

[00:42:42] establish a bond with so. You know

[00:42:44] what you can get here though pretty easily?

[00:42:46] Guns. Guns. Sick.

[00:42:48] Guns. Awesome. But not

[00:42:50] mental health care and I think that's

[00:42:52] the thing that's really. Right and we're

[00:42:54] obviously referring to United States

[00:42:56] the gun loving capital

[00:42:58] of the world. Man, we

[00:43:00] love a mass shooting here. I'm

[00:43:02] not going to get more political than that

[00:43:04] but come on guys it's fucking

[00:43:06] ridiculous. You don't

[00:43:08] need assault rifles

[00:43:10] if you're just a regular citizen. Yeah.

[00:43:12] I'm not saying take

[00:43:14] all the guns away okay? Whoa

[00:43:16] I'm not being extreme just

[00:43:18] like maybe civilians don't

[00:43:20] need assault rifles because statistically

[00:43:22] when an assault rifle is

[00:43:24] involved in a mass

[00:43:26] shooting six people

[00:43:28] six times more people die. Right.

[00:43:30] But I'm not going to be political.

[00:43:32] Yeah. It's um

[00:43:34] I'm trying to

[00:43:36] keep my words measured because I don't

[00:43:38] want to be political but

[00:43:40] you know I'm always

[00:43:42] I like you like struggle

[00:43:44] with just reporting about random crime

[00:43:46] because I just feel like

[00:43:48] I don't want to just talk about somebody's

[00:43:50] worst day of their life right.

[00:43:52] These were important people

[00:43:54] to someone and they didn't deserve to go

[00:43:56] like this but it was a topic that came up

[00:43:58] a long time ago and we wanted to get

[00:44:00] through it so

[00:44:02] we did. Sometimes we'll pick a topic

[00:44:04] in a certain mode and then

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[00:44:10] we have such amazing researchers who do

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[00:44:16] So absolutely and we

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[00:44:22] researcher and I still research and it's

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