The Bill DeMott Experience
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What's she gonna do? Brother? When Jeff Townsend Media runs wild on you, Molly? Alright, alright, alright, it's podcasting time. As Bill him On is adjusting his mic legend Bill Bill Legend as like I call him. I hope you guys have be enjoying the last couple episodes because we're having a hell of a time and we're back for another one. Bill. This is fun, man, this is becoming like I said this, you know, a while back, we talked about how I did some things in the past, but I always look forward to these man, and you and I've had some good conversations, uh so forth, So I'm really looking forward to this episode and then seeing what we're going to dive into and come up with. I always find it easier to do it with somebody else. I've done a lot of solo things and a lot of bringing guests on things, and that is working itself. As you know, I have a podcast where I cover Indiana stories, that's what it's called. So I cover like significant events that happen people places, and it's always a hell of a task to find people to get on there. Because I also have podcasts about podcasting, people are chopping at the bits to get on that. Soob but when I do this Indiana one, it's like pulling freaking teeth to find people and it's just you, right, So it's just you dealing with you the whole time. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm trying to find these people to come on and talk and then unlike when I talk to podcasters, they know what they're doing a lot of the time, or people in the industry or content creators. Yeah, but when I talk to an eighty year old Vincen's Indiana historian, it's a little bit different. So but yeah, I would just a consistent thing to it with somebody every week is a lot easier. Certainly will have people on at some point, but the the the battle of not knowing what you're gonna have every week is definitely a challenge. So yeah, because even if you plan it right, it's just if it's it was not going anywhere, you don't want to stay with it, right, so you just kind of switch on the spot and uh, yeah, what you know, just on the fly, as they say, yep, exactly, it's like the wrestling way, right, Well, well, yeah, just a tapp and go with it and get yelled at off the air exactly, So what if you had going on this week, man, with the foundation or thing you've been busy. I know you kept forgetting me to send send me some stuff that you said you would. I had to keep her mind that. She's like, yeah, listen, we're just so we're full disclosure. You're gonna say that to me every week, and I'm gonna go, oh yeah, I forgot, and guess what, when we're done, I'm gonna forget. So unless you know, that's why I was saying, my wife's on the pedestal, because she puts up with that, sitting in the same room telling me something and two minutes later, you know, pretty bird, and I forget what I was supposed to do. So it's just a you're you talk about, you know, doing the podcast by yourself. That's what it's going to feel like with me, because you're go I thought Bill was supposed to do that. I'd be like, oh yeah, well I can blindside you with all these wrestling questions. So disclosure here, I don't really I tell Bill like a day before, hey, we're going to talk about this, but I don't it all say what it is, what I'm going to say what my approach is going to be, So a lot of it's just improv for you. So I kind of like it that way though, Yeah, I prefer it that way because otherwise, here's the thing. It's like, it's like with the Foundation. You know, we go and speak and on quick, quick little fact about the Foundation. To date, going into twenty twenty three, we've spoken to over one hundred thousand students. Wow. And then you know, tens and thousands of law enforcement and organizations and companies throughout the country. But it's always funny because as I put the presentations together, the programs, you know, I kind of right out of speech. So you know, I have this thirteen page speech when I'm you know, a keynote speaker at this osium, but I never look at it because I feel like if I look at it and then I'm kind of going off of that and I like to feel the room when I'm speaking, and you know, so it's just like this when you say, hey, Bill, okay, cool, And that's perfect for me because if I have to, if I have to study forward or prepare for it, I probably I think it's less authentic, but kind of absent minded works for me at fifty seven fifty eight whenever I am Now, yeah, I did call you out on that year, didn't I When I found out your berth here, Even though I could find that anywhere online. I haven't got a new leg where I just wanted to give you Cray episode. It's wrong. It gives wrong full disclosure. Everything on Wikipedia about my personal life is absolutely wrong. Oh, I'm not surprised about. That's not the first time I've come across that at all. I mean, I can't change it. I don't know. You know, they say you can go in and edit and people can add, but the person who actually it's about can't change it. Well, you tell me to change it's not that you want to change, and I'll do it for your bill. Yeah, my birthday it's wrong. Um where I'm from is wrong. It has me from Titusville, Florida, I think, or something like that, or I'll look, yeah, I don't remember. And it's just these boofy like of all the things that would kind of annoy you. That's the thing. People go, oh, I was born in nineteen sixty said, I'm like, so what I wasn't you know? People go I know all about and you were you're from Titusville Foot, No I'm not. I'm a Jersey boy. That damn Wikipedia. They also kick it off pretty insulting to you, like an underhanded compliment. Yeah, pretty much. So call you a job or right off the bat, right the first sentence and then say he's translate, you know, transition into a trainer. I was like, dang, yeah, yeah, yeah, not even like save that, Like let's say professional wrestler, then trainer. You gotta just throw a job. People like to use those those behind the scenes words. Everybody knows what those meet. We're going to talk about that a little bit today. So anything cool that you want to share at the foundation that you did this week? Er? Yes, so we you know, we had I think the last time we talked, we had the banquet. We touched on that, and ever since the banquet, we've gotten very busy because we had a full house. We had over a couple hundred people attend the banquet. And now that that message and what the foundation does, I think people don't understand what we do. I think they you know, it's geared towards just drunk driving, but that's not what we're about so now that they've learned more about it, it's open more doors. So there's a flu flu. There's a few agencies in South Florida that have contacted us to do some programs with them. Um, we're getting ready to head to Alabama again during their prominent March that season. So it's always very busy for us, I mean, and and in between, you know, we have victim services, so there's when we're not doing presentations, we're working with families that have been a fact. So it's been it's been a hectic week, but it's always um, it's fulfilling in a way and then another way, it's very you know, it's it's just very hectic. But the Foundation keeps us busy twenty four to seven and so we you know, when we go and speak and we're getting ready actually as this airs up the next day, I have two presentations tomorrow in two different sides of the state. So it's gonna be very interesting in the morning and then getting to the other one by late afternoons. So yeah, they we're staying busy. We're we're blessed that way. We're very grateful for the opportunity. So the Foundation is it's year round, it's not just one of any year or just trying to raise funds. We don't. We're not a fund raising nonprofit. We're a community based kind of get things done nonprofit. Well, I mean, I think it's great what you're doing. And now that you mentioned a prom thing that this really is a significant time of the year years some of these high school kids are approaching that event. Actually hadn't thought about that, so I could I could definitely see where it is very critical upcoming months for you the foundation. Yeah, yeah, this' and because you know, and you and I've been there the prom season and it's the wild time and if you're a senior and now the juniors and now software and freshmans go to prom and so we have we have something in if you go to the website, you'll see where we have Carry's Promise And it's just simply says that you'll be cognizant of not being impaired or not letting someone else be impaired behind the wheel. And it's not just drinking. Impaired is impaired. So if you're distracted by the phone, impairs you're driving, if you're you know, medication or whatever, the case. So this this time of years really unfortunately, it really picks up for us because the message is there. But it's it's it's really cool because we connect with a lot of kids and you know, you know, to get them when they tweet me after prom and they literally say, hey, coach, no incidents, we had a great time. And you get them on Facebook and Instagram and you're showing you pictures of the prom and that they had it, and that's the thing. Go have a good time. Just be safe and get home safe and and and how I close everything is you know, we want to be talking to you tomorrow, not about you. So it's it's that, it's that it's that time of season now from now until May June, depending on where you are in the country. You know, when they graduate and all those things start coming up. So it's gonna get plenty busy. And it kind of hits home to me when you're talking about this because my senior year in high school there's actually about ten debts in school from car Rex really um not not an overly huge school either, So our senior year was plagued with Rex of various different reasons. So yeah, I mean, this is and it was all in the back half of the year here, So I mean, it's it's a significant thing, and I like, I appreciate the work that you're doing. Well, thank you man. It's uh, it's not I always say it's not easy because it brings us back to the day that Kerry was taken. But it's necessary. So it's uh, yeah, it's it's it's necessary, and I appreciate you saying that. And we'll always update everybody on the on the foundation and everybody can go visit the website, you know, make sure they know what we're doing, or you know, follow us on the social media as well, so that's cool. I think it's important to start out with something like that because you're good friend. I have a help a lot of respect for you in and some of the things that we're going to talk about are hard to talk about on the build um On experience. Today we're going to talk about tough enough three and there are some moments in here that I think will be difficult for you. Um probably be back at it being replaced from twenty years ago. So yeah, I think and we're I'm gonna ask some hard hitting questions for you, but I think that is what at this point and you're where you're at in life, that that's part of like what you're doing, you're giving back. And there's a lot of things involving this season that we're significant for you in your future. And then of course a lot of things happened that maybe weren't is highlighted in other seasons, they were highlighted in this one. I think that kind of difficult to swallow a little bit. Yeah, this is gonna be interesting. Yeah. Yeah, And I at any point in time, if I just offidge, you just say no, I'm not going to talk about that. It's hard to offend me. If you followed my career at all, you could definitely thought if I'm still smiling, it's hard to offend me. But you know, of course it's not ever going to be out of offending you. That not my intentions at least. No, I'm not worried about it. We're good. We'll go ahead and kick it off here. Though, So what's kind of touch up on season two? What had happened before because you weren't involved at that point in time? Correct, right? It was? So season one was al and it has and I forget Jacqueline Jacqueline. Okay, so that was that was the three trainers. Then season two it was Al Bob, Polly, Javo I think yep. And then I'm not sure if there was a female trainer, Ivory was she on? But it was on two Maybe maybe it was Ivory. To be honest, I'm not sure. Yeah, actually I know who it was. I just spacing her name. It was not Ivory, but I'm spacing her name. Blonde lady. I feel bad, but we're gonna move on, so i'n embarrass myself anymore. Oh, it was the one who was in d X right. It was a short stint with Kane and kid. We're hair yeah, short hair on tough enough Yeah, oh my gosh, I'm terrible with that stuff. Welcome back there for sure. So we I forget where we were, and um Ali approached me and said, hey, we do this show tough enough as Yeah, I know, and because I was trade, you know, my whole thing. When I was at the arena's all day. You're there like eleven twelve o'clock by noon, and then the show does to start till eight, so you know, you have a lot of time. Either you're spending in catering or at the time we were still playing dominoes and things like that, but a lot of it was spent in the ring. So I'm I was a big fan and still a big fan of getting in the ring, learning things, messing around with guys and girls, trying to learn some new stuff, show people's stuff. So they came up to me and said, hey, we noticed you liked to be in the ring, and you know, we want to talk to you about maybe doing Tough Enough three. And I was like, wow, what does that entail because I'm trying to get you know, you're trying to get going in your career on TV as it is with WWF, and now they're gonna take me completely off of TV for three four months, you know, shipped me out to California. But I signed onto it because I like to train. So from what I knew about Tough Enough, I wasn't an avid follower of the show, but I knew of it and I knew what they were doing, so I said, yeah, I'd do it. And next next thing, you know, I'm in California for four months and it kicked off and they said, hey, we're just gonna mike you up, and and this is this is true reality TV. Reality TV back then was follow you twenty four hours a day, Mike you up. There's cameras everywhere, here's no scripts, there's no hey, if we can make this happen, and that's where I said, you just you mike me up, and whatever's gonna happen, You're gonna have to edit it because I only know how to beat Bill. I can't be politically correct Bill. I can't be like when I'm training I you know, I'll either bark or I'll whisper or you know, they'll be they'll be a four letter word every now and again. But it was just like everybody, so that's their job. And I learned very quickly that I didn't have to worry about that aspect of it. And they just said, you be you. So that's that's how that story started. A conversation with Al. I met with John K. Bork Big and he said, we'd love to have you next thing. You know, I'm off TV and I'm in I'm in California starting to shoot tough enough three, So I'm gonna kick this off here by season two. Thoughts here and I think this is interesting, right, So in the cast in the in the auditions of season two, we see John Morrison doesn't make the cut and it's later revealed because of Kevin Dunn. I thought was interesting. Of course, John Morrison comes back this season very strong. YEP, Shelley matt As she's a knockout champion, and then Awesome cong she was also in there and didn't make the cut. So I thought that was interesting just to the second season was a little bit different coming off the success of the first. They had a little bit of an ending that people thought was unfair in the sense that two females won. Yeah, obviously, it's the situation is different in the next season. Oh, I didn't want to mention also that shadd who recently passed away, you know, saving his son's life. He didn't He actually made the cut of the second season, but failed a physical and that's what was reported as the drug test is I assume then he's replaced, but he did make the cut on season two. And I'm just covering this because this just shows you that some of these people did go on and become have pretty successful careers. But yeah, two females one in season two, Kenny King was the runner up, and my gosh, talk about a guy with a lot of talent. Yeah, And I've said this from the jump, and I believe I said it during season three. I've said it in the Million Dollars Tough Enough. I said it in the one I did with Steve. I've said it in every training seminar and everywhere I've done. The person who wins that thing is set to fail. You can't live up to that. You you want a reality show based on professional wrestling. At the time, it wasn't sports attainment based on professional wrestling. And the most successful people that came out of those shows were the people who didn't make the cut. And it was it's funny to see. I always found it not funny, haha, funny funny like odd that the strongest personalities and the people that really wanted to be there were the ones that stayed with it, you know. And yeah, fast forward in season three to the ones who didn't do it, and even the Million Dollars Tough Enough. When when we ever go down that rabbit hole. But there's guys that and girls that got turned away who became very big in this industry and made a nice name for themselves and made a living. So tough Enough was it was about being tough enough for that particular moment, for that you know, for that show, it didn't define who you were, but we were there to explain that to people either fair enough and to be honest. This was a point in time on television cable when this reality series concept was huge, especially on MTV. The Real World, the challenges and stuff like they did, like that was seeing pretty significant success. So this incorporated in with that to make a show. Yeah, NTB. It was their strong season. Three was their strongest season and strongest readings, and they wanted to own that show. And I was in privy to all the all the dynamics of the business part, but they wanted to own it. There's no way Vince was going to let them own that show. And you know, we disappeared for a couple of years and then it was a million dollars tough Enough. So that's how that's the you know, the history of Tough Enough. Who would go a year, we'd be off two years, come back the year two years later, three years later, four years later. Because it was such a strong, such a strong concept that every season then I was involved. It wasn't scripted. Let let it, let's fly man, just hold up. But I became a veteran after the third one, my first season, season three, I was a veteran. And by the end of that one, I just told people, you'd do your job. You're an editor, you're a producer. You figure out what you're gonna put on TV. Because I know that you're not gonna fit my ten hour day into an episode. You're not gonna fit seven days out of that week into that thirty minute or forty five minute episode. So that was a learning experience for me too. But yeah, at that time, that was MTV's hot, hottest thing going. Was tough enough. Three. I'm gonna get your episode by episode and try not to take too long by doing so. But I didn't want to ask you. The dirt sheets reported that you had been in a motorcycle accident and we're rehabbing and this was and during this timeline you were moved to training role. Yeah, any truth of that, No, No, I told you how I got the gig. I was in the ring. I know it happened, so and I wasn't in a motorcycle accident. What had happened is I was an avid bike writer and I had a big, old dressed out bike, and what happened was a car came in front of me and I I fishtailed in the gravel and it threw me. Well, when it threw me, I was all rashed out and everything. So I went to UM, went to the live events, and I was all bagged up. I was all my legs were all screwing because of Florida. You know, you're in shorts and your tennies and whatever. So I had rode rash and I got all banged up and I was all bruised and Jack Lanza, bless It's hard. I love Jack Lenza was the agent and he goes what the'll happen to you? And Jack was a bike rider, so we were talking about it. But in his report, you know, he was in a terrible bag accident and I don't think he should be on the road. And I lived there, so that that's the dirt Cheats. But I never had a day off of anything from it, and I got the gig and tough enough. But it's funny to learn the the aesthetics of that damned dirt Cheats and what people can put and it just gives people a perception of well, he was heard, so he was demoted to this. No, I was in. I was hand picked by John Gaborick. Oh yeah, I have a funny story about how you Morris got fired on Tough Enough three. Yeah, you can throw that into wherever you want. Like I said, I'm gonna kind of give episode three episode and get your opinion here. But is it fair to say at least this was the beginning of your training journey this for WWFS, Like I said, I did that in w c W when I was in Japan and when I was in Puerto Rico and Mexico, always training, you know, but this was the official start of me becoming a trainer in that in that company. M all right, we'll jump into it here. So season three airs in October two thousand and two on MTV. They kind of scaled back some with this season bill as far as the extravagantness of the auditions and all that. They made a little bit more regional. They were doing it at at a hotel, you could see, more personable, but yet scaled back start to this season. Yeah, I can't when when I first came in, I didn't come into the process until the final twenty five and then we had a week with the final twenty five to get to our fifteen. I think it was was the number. I could be wrong. I don't know if it was twelve fifteen or thirteen, yeah, thirteen, something like that. But so I didn't come in until the week of twenty five and then the twenty five all met in UM this warehouse in Calabasas, California, and so that was hell week. We were gonna we were gonna take the twenty five and whittle it down to the people who are gonna be on that show. When I say hell week, that was hell week. That was that was that was boot camp start to finish. UM Let's find out who you are, and that's where everybody, the trainer we got the like I knew Al snow Al knew me, I knew Ivy, Iver knew me, but we didn't know each other in that capacity. So there was a lot of get to know your time from the trainers. Let's see you who does what and let's see who has what kind of knowledge and things like that. But that that initial week, for me, that was a great warm up for what was about to happen for the season, Like I needed that to understand the dynamic it all in the filming and Okay, this is you know, here's how we're gonna We're gonna literally break it down from twenty five to fifteen or thirteen or whatever it is. So I want to get your thoughts on a couple of different things real quick, and we'll go through the first episode. We're gonna go episode by episode. But working with MTV from your experience, Bill, how was it? Hey? In the beginning was a little much. They were like, hey, you know we can't get that shot. Can you stand here? Or Hey, do you think you could say that again? And my answer was no, because I don't know what I said in the first place. Like and and so that we we had a very quick understanding of you're gonna have to You're gonna have to do work here because I was set here to do this job. I wasn't send here to do it over and over again. And yeah, like and here's where it's gonna sound really copy you won gold, You follow me and you edit what you want on TV because if you're asking me to oh can you say that again? And to have more feeling you got the wrong guy, or hey, the shadows are in, then you move your stuff. So when they were setting up, they knew where they had to start taking breaks and Okay, we need to change film and stuff like that. But when they called break, we didn't break like when they broke. That's on them. The only time we broke every day was from lunch or if we were striving to a location to do a training thing in the ails or you know, a different challenge. That's the only time we broke. And then at the end of the day, I took my microphones off and went to my little studio apartment they sent me up in. But I learned very quickly with VERTV and they were all good people, but they had they were very They thought they were gonna make it their show. Oh and in my mind, this was a WWF production and we're going to do it the WWF way. I was very I felt like I was very protective of the business and not lap of a better term, catering to hey, what if we did this, that's on you, dude. And then Alan I were on the same page with that, and Ivory and and and Big and that was that's where Big he was the liaison between MTB people and WWF. We didn't have to worry about that stuff like you. You Mike me up and you follow me. And they were upset with me the first couple of weeks because I was breaking Mike's left and right until I didn't want to wear a mic pack anymore because it was it was just hampered that my physicality. I see what you're saying, though, you're actually peeling back the curtain here. You was into the company and letting them end. So the mindset should be more catered towards that. I'm sure you weren't the only person. I don't know how like Vince felt, but you're kind of pilling back the curtain, like I said, So there had to be some hesitation there from the pro wrestling standpoint, because he hadn't quite seen anything like this per se before the series. I didn't know what Vince, to be honest, I didn't know. I met Kevin Dunne a bunch of times. I didn't really have a lot of interaction with Kevin before this, and the same with Vince. I had spoken to Vince. I've been in Vince's office, you know, But it was wrestling work, So I wasn't sure. All I knew was John, you know, Big was the guy. He was the guy I answered you every day, and Al and I would go through what we were going to train on or what we were you know, where we're trying to lead it to and build their knowledge, and there there they're being tough enough through the whole thing. So that that wasn't my concern. Like I truly was not concerned about anything but making sure that I did my job and not letting anybody steer me off of that direction. Like I was. I was dug in pretty tight about that. You mentioned Kevin Dunn. This is the rare occurrence these couple of years here where you got to see him physically, not very calmon to see him. Yeah. Yeah, you didn't see a lot of him throughout the years, but you know there there'd be times you have a good relationship with Kevin Dunn. He seems like an individual that you could either really get along with or really not get along with. That's just from outside looking in. Here's what I liked about k d. He lets you go right away if you liked you or if he didn't like you. But if he didn't like you, but you you were good for the business and you make money. You had a Greek character. It didn't matter how he felt about you. He was he was business. Um. The funny thing about the first real conversation we had was he they fired me on the phone. They called they they're in a film break when we when we got down to the final like I said, I'll say fifth team, but it could have been twelve thirteen whatever it was. So they were changing film and Big called for a stop because he needed to see me. In the office of the back office. Well, on the speaker phone was Kevin Dunn, and unbeknownst to me, sitting next to him was Vins. And they said, listen, we saw you know, the I say hell week. You know, they saw the week of getting ready to get down to the final number for the show, and they just don't think that this Humorris thing's gonna work out. So we're gonna have to let him go. And this is over a speaker phone. So Big is looking at me like he's in shock, and I'm standing there going I've been in California now for two weeks. In my mind, I'm I'm I'm busting my butt. I think I'm killing it. I think I'm setting this up to be a great experience. And they just told me Hugh Morris's fire and then there's there's this quiet pause, so everybody was quiet, and he goes, but if you could be build them up like we've seen on the taps, because they saw everything every day, they got the you know, they got to the recordings. He goes, but we won't build them up. Can you build them out every day? And I'm looking at Big and he starts laugh. I'm on, I don't. I don't understand what's going on here. They go, we want build them up? Can you be that guy every day? I'm like done. I took a deep breath. And it's funny because Big, I think in one of the episodes, Bill Big comes out and says, well things happened, This business to happen quick, and Hugh Morris is no longer your trainer. Half those damn page stood up and cheered because I got fired. And then he said, let me introduce it to the new trainer. And they're looking around, they're waiting for this guy to goes build them out, and they went, oh no. And so to me, that was the greatest introduction into into the Tough Enough series, and I like, once I got over the initial shock of it, later that night, I was very proud of that fact. They go, they just beat yourself and that's what they got times ten when the red light was on, you know. But that was that was my first true interaction with with with KD until I went back to TV. You uh were in spectacular shape. You had your must have been getting a tanning bed every day. It looked like you were my point being as you were in prime condition here. Yeah, we were. I mean we're in California, so any any chance you got a year out by the pool or you're in the sun, and and back then, I'd walk around with no shirt, did all that stuff, and I really I really took it to heart because I was in good shape. I was in ring shape anyway, and so I had more more time to It was definitely less bumps and less wear and tear, and less travel because now I'm in the same building every day, so I had that and there was a gym in the in the wearhouse we were in, so I got to I got to just work on myself and I had a sigh bet with JR. And JR said for every ten pounds I lost, he was gonna bonus me. So I I just was getting in better shape because when this when this series was over, I was going back to work, right, So we we you know, say, but Alan Ivy, you know we had to do our schedule. We had to be in a gym at six o'clock in the morning to be on set at eight. So how was JR. As in that role? The management role? I loved it. I mean Jim, Jim has always been a straight shooter. He doesn't men's words, he doesn't kind of he doesn't coddle you, and you know, he doesn't rub your head and tell you it's gonna be all right. You know it's excuse my language, but it's really shitter. Get off the pop and here's what we expect from you. And if you can do it, right on it. If you can't, you know, the train keeps rolling. But I have to this day. I have a great relationship with JR. Um I faked the world of him personally and professionally. So it was cool. I got to know a lot of people in a different light when I when I signed on for the tough enough. So I think the kids, the kids thought they were in for an experience, but I had quite the experience that season. I learned a lot more about the company, the ins and outs, and what was expect what was truly expected up of individuals. So walk me through. You already talked about Big John as we'll call him. I'll call him Big remainding yep throughout this episode because also John and again Joel John Morrison will say is also John. So well he'll go buy big regardless here. But you had a good relationship with him. It sounds like what about Al Snow and Ivory Uncle Al to this day he's he's my man all day long. And contrary to what people thought, we had a chemistry that we didn't have to speak about. We had an understanding and and I'll see this tonight. I'm stuck here. Sorry, let me fix money. You're fun my chepo um. He's the bad cop. How was the big guy till this day? He's got to be what seventy two years older than me. I'm still the young guy. I'm still you know, I'm the baby facing he's the heel. We had a great We hit it off like because I knew who he was, and I appreciated and respected the way he took training and how he took towards the business and what he expected from himself and others. So um. And then Ivy was the crazy step sister. She's an animal lover and she had to have cats with her all the time, and she was looking for cats and doing all these things. But buddy, when it got time to get physical and get down and dirty and and do work, she was there. But she was the crazy step sister, and the three was jelled so well. It was it was, It just was seamless. It was. It was a pleasure every day. It wasn't like, oh man, let me oh well, I said that many enda opened was from them too, because I never once went she's out. But I don't have to do with Ivory today or fouls in this kind of mood. This day is gonna suck. No. We we just clicked and and and if you can do that for four months, every day for four months and maintain those relationships twenty so MDD years later, there's something to that. But it was it was truly a pleasure. What's okay? Yeah? I mean al snow still to this day. It is a great resource for training, and yeah, have it held a lot of respect for the guy, and I could tell you did as well. And it seemed like to me it was the first time he almost found his Robin, your batman Robin. He heard of the first two seasons, but when you came on, he seems like he kind of had that sidekick, that right hand man, and you you can kind of see that chemistry through the screen. I think he had, you know, he had Tas the first season. Tas this way, yep, Ta's not gonna you know, he's not gonna share burrito with you. He's not gonna you know, uh sitt have a cigar with you and tell a story after This is task. This is Bob Holly, this is build hum up. But when we're done working, you've got the other build hum up. We knew the difference of when we were on and when we were off and what would helped Alami connect. At the time, we were both going through personal issues at home, so we had we had something in common and we could lean on each other. So we you know, we we literally had each other to go through not only this four months away from our kids and these issues we're having personally, but we had someone who understood that. And and I hope I was as big as a crutch for him as he was for me, because we got each other through it. And then we became thick as thieves and we were they absolutely at a time when they figured they couldn't control us, they got on board and they said, whatever Bill and I are gonna do, let's run with it. And we we terrorized those kids, we terrorized the house. We we did what we wanted, but we worked at the same time. I have nothing but love for Al. He's very close to my family. Um Um. He's been with me through a lot of things as I have with him and and like I said, till this day, um, but he's he's a wealth of knowledge. He has what I what I really appreciate about him is he doesn't sway from his training, ideals and how he likes to see things done and what he wants to accomplish. That's a hell of a compliment and big Al snow fan myself. I actually love when he is on with Vince Russo. His sense of humor, his knowledge but together is just spectacular. The guy is a creative And then also, Yeah, mechanical as far as technician on wrestling genes. So he's great man. I love about Yeah. Like I said, we'll get him on here one day and have him talked top enough with us. But let me jump into the episode here. So let's talk about people that didn't make it into the past. The top seventy five Shandavari right goes on has a career in wrestling, and then Daniel Praetor, which he won the next season. Daniel has been very critical of you throughout the years, Bill the first the first and the thing to upset me is when he made the drinking comment about you guys got an altercation. He said, you could beat me up if if it's because I don't drink with you afterwards or something he said like that. Then he mentioned Karma. Is he a difficult guy to work with? Because it seems like everything that I've seen he could be difficult. I don't find him. Like, here's the thing, and I think you that I've talked about this offline, like you're not gonna hear me say something derogatory about someone. Yeah, here's the thing with Pewter. He had a mindset. He's a special kind of cat from his background and all that stuff. And I say special because he had a mindset. He is of them. He's under the guys that his way is the right way and this is the way you do things. And he was a supreme athlete and his his superior mind and all these things, and he wasn't ready to differ from that. So he told everybody, you want to hate me and beat me up, beat me up if that's what you gotta do. But I'm this is who I am. And we saw what happened with him and Curt Angle and all these things, like he didn't understand what he was there to do, in my opinion, but I have nothing, nothing but respect for him. I mean, he's trash plucked me for years. But I have this giant mural he gave me inside, this big message to me about whatden experience he had. So I think when he has to portray, I think he portrays himself a certain way to people. And that's his deal. He was a good athlete. He wasn't coachable, and I don't mean he wasn't coachable and MMA or whatever else he wanted to do. And I know he's he's a motivational speaker now or he does things, he works with people, and and and good for him. But you can't you can't play both sides against the middle. You can't be that guy and then be another guy. And we weren't trying to do anything to anybody except get the best out of them. Well, he thought he was the best and there was no more to give, and so while everybody went out and yes, so we're perfectly clear. There were a bunch and you saw the episodes. Whether it was a million dollars tough enough for the other one. Let's go out and have a few beers with these guys and all this stuff, and on TV they get to paint the story anyway they want. No one was ever in jeopardy of over draking and all these other things. You knew this kid could have two beers in a cigarette and be bombed, And for TV purposes, that's they wanted to see. Well, you know, Peter at the tail, wido do that in this way? If you gotta beat me up, And oh kids, you want to break my thumb, break my thumb. If that's what makes you feel like a thought guy, that's not what it was about. So I don't really think he understood from the jump what it was about. He just he literally took the terms tough enough. He didn't he didn't want to be at WWE Superstar. He didn't want to be at WWF Superstar. He didn't. He he came there to win a competition. He wasn't prepared for what that competition was for then. And that's just my opinion. And if it comes across the bad way out of the house to say it, he just he hurd tough enough. I'm in I'm tough enough. I'm betting everybody here set the record straight here when I when I'm asking you these kind of questions, it's not more or less to get um. This is for the people listening, not to get you to talk shit about somebody, because I know you all, but but it's important to me having the respect I do for you. You've gone years with no sort of rebuttal if on any silence, and that's not the purpose of this. But what the purpose of it is is to kind of clear the light of the situation. And I could see where on television or when he is probably gooded into saying things, and I can understand that we've seen that we talked about a few episodes ago with Kenny Omega and a lot of those guests. Yea, they get put in. Daniel is probably putting in a situation like that, and he said what he said. But the intent here was not the fireback at him. It's just to get the record straight. Yeah, yeah, there's no There was no ill Will. There was no I'm gonna show this kid that I'm big tough and I'm a ww superstar and I'm the trainer and you're gonna do now. That wasn't it. But his persona and what he wanted people to perceive him as he came into that already. You know, he knew what he was gonna do. Regardless he didn't. I don't think he made a lot of best friends in that in that thing that million dogs tough enough and you know, to this day, I think he has more negative to say it by everybody than positive. But that's that's his take on it. But for me, there was no ill Will. There was no and there is none now. And so when people say those things, and because he's he's been boisterous for years, um and it's as a person, it's hurtful because like that's that's what you got out of that experience, Like that's not to mention you just mentioned that Murraal he gave you. I mean, yeah, this is this is what you got from me. Then you weren't really in, you weren't really involved, you were just there. You know. It's that, it's that thing, and everybody has a different perception. Um probably he's one of maybe three or four in my thirty years that would, you know, go and bash me for things that I had nothing to do with. So, I mean everybody has their their their niche and what they have to do. And to that point, that's what got him noticed. So if I can't say more things, then I'll get more interviews, I'll get more TV time, and I'll get more of these things. But at the end of the day, it wasn't a fit for him. It wasn't about being tough. That was just the name of the show. It was about who can be a who could be a WWF superstar ww supers. But I'm glad he's doing the work he's doing. I know he works with kids and and I hope, I hope he continues to do that and and and give that message out and maybe someday he'll understand that nobody was out to get in. But if you don't let us in your kitchen, you don't then I say it all the time. If you don't let me sit down in your kitchen and make myself something to eat, we're never gonna be on the same page if you're gonna fight it the whole time. And he had words with al He had words with everybody under the sun. So it wasn't like I was a unique character. I was just the easiest target because if you look at tough enough, tough enough made my persona because people judge me by what they saw and tough enough. They never got to know me, even as a trader. They went, oh crap, it's him. Because you watched the show. It carried over to an xtit. Yeah. I always say good, good for me. I did my job. And if that's the that's what happens, that's what happens. Hang with me here. I think we'll have a two party here. This is going to go on. What's one more thing to note Molina didn't make the final thirteen. Yeah, I absolutely again till this day, if we see each other, it's a big hug I think she's a tremendous young woman in which she was there. Everything she was doing was right, but she was getting hurt. We were so concerned that she was going to wind up physically doing something bad to herself because she was like a baby deer. She had the heart yet, but she was unsafe, and we told her that talk about a success story. You got cut from the final twenty five. We're told that you can't physically do this. And she became one of the biggest divas in the history of the business. And so every time I saw her, to me, that's a win because we saw that that time wasn't right for her. It doesn't mean the business was a writer. She was no good, But we're trying to get this done, and if we were going to get that done, it's not worth you getting hurt permanently. And I, unless I've missed something in the past twenty some on years, I don't believe she's ever had a harsh word about me. I think she's a tremendous young lady and she's a success And to me, that's what the show was supposed to be for. Who can make it, who really wants to be there in that business. She wanted to be there. She got cut, she was broken arted. We'd got to spend time with her off air, which she you know, when she got to say goodbye to everybody after that day was over. What a tremendous young lady then and now what a great young woman she is, success story, beautiful, talent, amazingly talented, charismatic. It just went on to do great things. You're absolute, Yeah, she did great things. Man. When Urban reconnected ob w was it was great? Yeah, I could definitely see that. We'll get into that one day for sure. So I got to ask you about this guy here. Alice Snows seemed to have a lot of faith in this Wendell filla. So and I just have to know Bill, because what watching it, this seems so damn overly dramatic. This guy's faking a heart attack and a stroke. Al Snow's getting a medically checked on. Nothing's wrong with him? Is this a real he played? Al didn't. I didn't like Wendell from the jump, Like I'm you know, I always say I have that Jersey attitude about me. You give me five or ten minutes with someone, I feel like I got a pretty good read on him in or out of wrestling. That's just the way I feel. That's just my personality. But he kept everything was so dramatic and so this because there was cameras everywhere you look. He was gonna be on a TV show, That's what he was there for. And he played Al for as far as he could, and I think I helped get out to the point where he had out enough. And when Al snapped, it was great. My art was full. I was like, this is the guy I've been waiting for because instead of being Uncle Al, everybody's and that's the thing he was. He was the nursery one, let me get you there, and I was this guy, get there, get there, get there, get there, you know. But that windle he pissed in Al's cheerios won too many times, and when Al got in his face, lifted him off the ground and then threw him out the door. Yeah. I don't remember a lot of things about Tough Enough three. I'll never forget that because I had That was one of my best days I ever had on SAT was watching Al finally snapped and then bust his chops for the next week about it. He he snabbed and h that was my question, is this act? Was he actually doing this? This was not scripted. This guy was just acting like a full like that in front of the camera. Every time there was a camera. He went down literally because they had anhelds and you know, they go and as we're on the mats and do it these things and eat, zoom in and all this. And he'd purposely slowed down or he'd and he'd do all this stuff, and he had a heart attack and then he had a second win and then he couldn't breathe, and then he needed a drink, and then he had to stop in it. And Al just couldn't take it. And you know, maybe there was a little needed lit from Big Maybe Ivory was needling Al a little bit. Maybe Coach Bill was in Al's here a little bit, but Al, it just had enough. And Buddy, when I saw that, I promise you, I hope Wendell's well. I don't know what became of him, because I don't wish, I don't ever wish anything bad. But he had that coming and Al exploded and it took him. It took him two days to come down from that. I would just poke the bear every morning Wendle's back coming back. I can see you doing that, dude. If you you get Al to talk about it today, he'll just start making the face and he'll blow up. I love that. So, yeah, that happened. That was real. That's that's that's nice to know. It was amazing. Jim Ross spoke to them and he had a quote that I loved. Here. He said, if you can't get over the fear of impact, you're not gonna make it. It won't be because Al Snow didn't like you. It'll be because you aren't good enough. Yeah, boom, there it is. That's JR and the heartbeat, and he's telling you like you're if you don't make it, it's not because of the three people standing in front of you. It's because you just don't have what it what it takes at that time. And and JR would say that to this day. He doesn't tell you ain't got it, You just don't have it now and we're but we're looking now and if you can't take a couple bumps and bruises and a couple you know, sweats and your legs getting noodly into because realistically, we all went through that when we got in this business and we didn't have somebody giving us a water breaker doing these things, and it wasn't the point of punishing people. Let's see what you where's your heart, where's your you know where you and what are you willing to do? Because oh, by the way, if you make it through this, there's three hundred days like this every you know, every day. This is another thing I really liked about the show in general. For me, it's the little things, all right. So let's talk about taking bumps and then how to get up correctly. I mean, Bill, that's something I had never thought of, so it makes perfect sense. Though you don't want somebody step on your damn fingers. You don't want something to happen to you, So even to break it down to how you need to get up was kind of eye opening to me, and I enjoyed that little segment there, Son, we'll go back to it. So we saw that part on TV. Well, you didn't see the seven days of literally breaking it down from move to move to move. You saw the highlights of hands getting stepped on, me, dropping on someone, me shooting down on someone because they wouldn't do it, getting in kneed of the head or whatever they care or tripping them up. That's what you saw because we went through painless, painless hours, step by step as a group, then individually, and so they get to take the pieces they're exciting for that forty five minute episode. So it really painted the picture. I think it to your point, I think it enlightened people a little bit to what it was. But for the TV aspect, it was gold. Anything we did turn the gold because we it was hours upon hours of doing this and now you've got to put it into a three minute segment, you know, so it then that's when the personalities came out, because now people are starting to follow Chill No, or they're starting to follow Johnny Blaze, or they're starting to follow Eric or Jamie or Kelly. Right, they started to get here's where you started to get attached. And while they're working so hard but they can't get it. And Bill hates this one and now loves this one. But we spent we spent six seven days doing the same thing over and over and by the time we ask you to do it, if you don't get it right, we got we gotta move on to make an example out. Next segment, he shows a skills challenge. They go out and they go on a bike ride in a very hilly terrain. John seemingly just destroys the competition, to be honest with you, And then there's an individual named Scott who it's his first time riding a bike. That was his first time riding a bike somewhere in that season. He's from Virginia. He never saw the ocean. He's never been in the ocean. We made him swim. He never did this, he never did that. He collected dirt from everywhere he's been, just to show that he was like somewhere different in the state or whatever. That that guy, Scott, When when you're twenty years old and you've never ridden a bike, we literally taught him how to swim, how to ride a bike, how to cut his steak, how to tie his shoes. He went on to be a producer, a big muckety muck for a long time in VH one. Because of his his interaction with TV and stuff. He got involved in TV after that. But Scott was such a good hearted guy. But he was he was the goof of the bunch. Yeah, you needed you, so you put this together and you couldn't you couldn't script it. He was. He was a straight goofy kid. He had no life experience, but he just kept getting up. He had moments I came to say, he had moments of brilliance, He had moments of I do an old normalcy. But he was a character all the way through. But he made the others get better because they did not want to get the Scott treatment. So he the other had to pay attention. So he was the rabbit and the race, you know he was. He was the one. And then later on before he before he was cut, you see where he started to step up a little bit. So it all paid off. But he brother him on that bike. When I tell you you saw, what you saw was X amount of minutes. You're on that hill for five hours in the sun, trying to get this andy up a freaking hill. They had the guys on the bike and pushing him, and he wouldn't put his feet on the petals. I think Johnny Blaze went back down the hill three different times with his bike and rolled it up with him. I mean it was it was brutal. And then throughout this al snow is shining on a little red Skeeter he strecked me. He's the Vespa, the old I saw that and I thought, I gotta bring this up. Well, the best part was every time they didn't see me, they thought they were in the clear. Well I'm at the end, but well I'm at the end. There's Uncle Al on the vest buff, right, and they were a sponsors, so they loved Alan the vest Buff. And he's up and down and he's he parked on the side and he just waiting and zoomed passed them and come back and drinking the water in front of him and all this. I mean a lot of this stuff was pure comedy, but it was I opening to me because I never met Hi before. We never knew how to ride a bike, and then you had to get him to ride the bike up ill. Yeah. Now, swimming's one thing, right, but riding a bike that's yeah. Oh God, bless his heart. So they do get we do you get the decision made here we're gonna go with Chad, Eric, Jamie, Jill, John Nick, Justin, Kelly, Lisa, Matt, Rebecca, Jonah Scott. Then you introduced them to their i'm gonna say, real world like television show from that show Home that's their home. And that's that's that's episode one there who had a say in all these people making it through? Because when you think about a Scott, they needed him in that group to like you may have some very solid points, but he wasn't the most talented of some of the people that got cut. But he he had heart, He didn't stop. He wasn't going to get hurt, hurt with what he was doing. What he was he was gonna be the rabbit. So if if black Rebeck term so, if he was going to be the lowman, the ponent pull, no one could be beneath back and all he could do his rise. And so in my opinion, that's and and because we all had to say and who made it? And so that's the other thing I think people don't. Oh they must have, but no, they went through it. They that week, that l week before they went through it, and they made it on their own. There's there, he goats, just my dog, there's book with them. Um, they made it on their own accord, They made it on their effort and their personalities and things like that. But Scott was such a such as Steve Urkel esque kind of guy compared to a Johnny Blaze. Yeah, you had to have him. That dynamic was gonna be great when you put those thirteen in the house because he was he was awkward in light, not just in wrestling, he was awkward in light, and the dynamic was great. He was awkward around girls, he'd not have talked to girls. He didn't know how to act around other guys. He was. It was very and we'll touch up on that as we go here. I'm gonna be up all night thinking about this stuff now because a night recording, because we're an hour in on recording. We're on episode one, so I forgot all about this stuff that we're gonna have like six episodes. Just that if you get tired at any point and you need to go because you have a big data marrow, let me know and we'll figure out how to record more. But uh, you know, we're we're good for a couple, ten more minute or whatever you want to do. But oh, I'm good all night. Bill. I'm worried about you. I can I can do this all night. It's coming back to me. I'm going Holy crap. Episode number two kick kicks off. I thought there's a really neat moment when they're spray painting their names on the wall. Yeah, and later that comes into play and we'll touch up on it. But that was cool to me. That was real. And again it was um we were in a warehouse. Um it was a converted warehouse. It was just a big empty warehouse. They buy it for that bill they added, so I don't know if they leased it for that old time or whatever they did. It was in the middle of an industrial park. We were the end and warehouse and that and I thought that was a really cool moment when they got to put their names. And I think they really took that as as a badge of honor that they get to put their names on there, because later on, as we'll talk about it, a lot of those names didn't stay up there and it and it got very real. It got very real for them because they were the ones who put their names on there. Yeah, exactly. That was pretty That was a pretty cool moment. You had to coach Scott and had to do it better. But nevertheless, name Christmas he man. I don't know where he is and I hope someone who's who who's following us and got to stay in touch of the podcast. If anybody knows where Scott is, please have him call in or touch base with because I think he's great man. I'd love to see how he's doing and what he's doing life because I'm just gonna think about him all night now and just laugh in the middle of the night because he's hysteric. He was hysterical, but it was it was him, It's who he was. He Yeah, you couldn't see. We talked about that. Um the other count Wendell. He was a dramatic studge. He was doing that stuff on purpose. Scott was the real deal. That's who he was and that's why he made it because hey, let's see how good we are and we turned this guy into a WWF superstar. Yes, if you're out there, Scott, email us at Bill dumontpod at gmail dot com. So another Scott moment here, Bill. Okay, they start taking bumps, right. So the concept to this is they're going to come up to the trainers. You guys are on all fours. They're going to press off, you go over, you take the bump. Scott botches this over and over again. At one point he botches it really bad, and you tell him you get physical and you tell him you don't want your career to end early because he is a dumbass. Yeah, you later called him the human cartoon. He was struggling with this, So it was back to what I said. We spent hours on this, you know, and we tried to not spend days on it. So we spent the whole hours on it the whole day so we wouldn't have to do it the next day. He kept can me, and he need me in the face. He punched me in the ribs, he'd hold onto my arm on the way over. Everybody else is now chiming in and mad at him, and I kept telling them, and I'd lean on him and I'd whisper, and I'd let him know, you're you're gonna get me angry. And you could tell you legitimately were it was a different mode. You could see it in your eyes. Yeah, you could see your muscles tints up, and you were legitimately like, what the hell are you doing? Man? Yeah. On in my office, there's a doll Mattel made for me and one of the quotes, I'm not gonna end my career early because you're a dumbass, And it comes right from from Scott. He just could not figure out what to do with his body. And it was after a while, it's like, there's there's no way you can't understand this. We have girls, and not to say that girls can't do it, but girls who had no experience in this whatsoever, never done this, and it's all new to them too. We had big guys like Justin and Chad were big guys, big tall kids. Lak he gets and here's the smallest guy there and he's and he's knee and me and hitting me and elbow and me and I just had enough. And I on a numerous amount of occasions while he was on the show, I thought, I'm gonna take you up back if no one's ever gonna see it again, because it was it was frustrating to spend that much time with someone and still I'm the one getting hurt. And that's what the Bible may not know that here listening to this, right. This wasn't some ten minute segment. This was frustration build up over days and oh it come out. It was. And the funny point was he did it to iveryone and get down on all fours for him. I'm sure she she wasn't gonna do it, and I'll pull him straight up if you do it to me. And then so they so then they those two started poking me and he boot and you got a still give him to do it, you know. So now I'm getting wrapped up. And every every time he did something, he was knee and me or laying his body weight on me. And he wasn't a heavy diet. It wasn't like I couldn't hold him. It was a playing After after six hours, it's like Chinese water torture, right, the drop just keep me in the fore endage and it was making me crazy and I just snapped and again it made for great TV. Yeah, but the hours, the painstaking time to get him to learn that one thing was atrocious. Big has a moment here where Jill, who's been complaining about her wisdom teeth, just recently pulled a couple of days before. Big has this moment where this is a really interesting technique and I've never practiced it in a management role that I've been in. He actually she's complaining about her wisdom teeth, basically telling him she can't go on. Big is absolutely pissed off and offended by this, reasonably so there's a lot of more people that wanted to be there, obviously more than her. He sits her down in front of a chair in front of the group, calls her. She conned. She conned him, She called the group, She's a liar. He said, if you spit on me, I spit on you. Get up and leave, goes over and he paints over her name on the wall. Jill's gone. There was a there was a budding romance going on and right, so here's why I'll probably get in trouble. But here was the budding romance and Jill fell for one of the other cast members. That was noted. It was it was Jonah, correct, and Jonah was in a relationship. This was noted right off the bat. Yes, you will get in trouble. This was noted at the time when they had visitors, his girlfriend came and so there was this big thing. So she was just trying to find ways and she just it wasn't for her. She got duped by a man, you know, by a boy, and she was made the fool. And so she you know, her wisdom teeth her and Big was mad because we just talked about Melina being let go there were so many other women that wanted an opportunity. She had it, and because it wasn't going and she couldn't live in the same house and they couldn't get along, and Jordan was just a big ass anyway, so he didn't care about her feelings or anything. But truly it wasn't for her. And it was a little bit of foreshadowing to what happens on the road, a little bit with you know, with superstars, sometimes there's relationships and they don't work out and you gotta keep going. But yeah, Big was supremely upset with that one in particular. That was the most upset I think I've seen him get during those first three seasons. Yeah, because she made it. She went through X amount of weeks or whatever it was, and like they said, all this training and time has put it to her and then she goes, I can't be here, and so he put her. He put her on Front Street and kicked her that all out And to your point, when that name went off, it got real. Yeah, you can see it in the room. It got real. And that's how the episode ends. Their teasing Scott, let's knock out one more episode here, Bill Okay, and this is a good one. Previous episode, like we were talking about ends, then talking about Scott his Shenanigans. Episode three kicks off with everyone talking about Scott and his san against the Then Jonah and Matt make this bet. I think Matt put his hair on the line and he kind of go to to Jonah. He he sat back during this race and waited till the end. They just blow him out of the water because he was he was running a marathon basically. Obviously, Jonah is a little bit defeated. But then it transition to a scene where he's actually mimicking you. He has the head being on in the corner. It seems like it's a little bit more lighthearder to this moment. They're doing drills together and enjoying it. He's teasing you. You're just sitting into your corner taking it all in, and you could tell you you did think it was funny. It was great because you know people are watching an episode of thought Ah, this is trepetous. Over the knocking bill. What I was thinking was, look how much state paid attention because while they're drilling and while they're doing these things, they're watching everything I do. I mean, he nailed me. He got me down. He was sitting on the bottom turn buckle and the whole thing and do it, you know with the band damn up. So while it was very funny, was lighthearted because you need those moments in training, and like I said, we're doing this ten hours a day. He brought a lot of those moments and so those moments are great. But for me it meant a lot because they were that meant they were paying attention, and I had an impact on them, you know, whether it was good batter or different, I had an impact on them. So those moments they needed, and that's that's how those that group continued to bond because they knew the one thing they had in common now was it was them against us, you know, and and at certain points throughout the whole series you see that come into play. But when when we had those jovial moments, they to me, those were really cool and I appreciate it because that was funny. He naled me. He I mean, he had me down to a to a t. We'll see this and we'll talk about this more next time as we get to the other episodes. But you and him, I had a love hate relationship because of his tendency to not know when to execut these moments and when not too. Yeah, and that comes into play not just with you, but across the board. So moving on here, they go out that night they have a competition and who can get the most women numbers. Scott wins, which I thought was fascinating, tremendous. He became everywhere. He kept endearing himself. So we get to you know, Alan, I ivery and I would come in the next morning and they would catch us up. Like no one said, hey, you're gonna see this. We heard it as they brought it to us. And he kept endearing himself to us because he was gonna try, you know, as awkward as it was, like he was the guy that the girls gravitated to him because it was such a terrible thing. You have these thuds and these these good looking kids, and yes, Stagon lug, but he was making his mark. And yeah, it was great. And I think, like I said, that was the bonding thing for those guys because they really I think they really started to protect Scott in a lot of ways. And at the same time, it's like I can make my brother, but you can't. And so I know when they went out they had his back and all that stuff, but it was really funny to see those dynamics and he did come back with the most numbers that this is the episode. You're right. When it starts out, we're teasing Scott, we're even calling Scott a little bit annoying, and by the end of it here this starts to form this image like you're saying. He also hurt the stun plant beach volleyball, which would totally be his luck that, I mean, what else could I mean? That's Scott. He's gonna keep me up. I'm gonna be up reliving this all night because he was just it was. It was literally one thing after another, and just soon he's so was it two steps forward seventeen and a half steps back? That's the way he kept going that. The last thing we'll talk about here for episode three is this story right here has gone quite underground viral online throughout the years. It's about Lisa. So I'm curious to get your honest opinion on this. Let me read through it's reported, So this is me my synopsis story here. Poor Lisa isn't enjoying this much. I'm taking notes as I'm watching this. By the way, when they come back, she's gone from the house and they're just told that she got stressed out basically and wrestling wasn't for her. So but this is how the story goes on, Bill, and I'm going to read through all of this here. Hear me out, did you tell me what you know to be truth or not? So it's being said that why all of you are out the trainer contestants at dinner, Lisa, who stayed behind, ended up having a psychotic breakdown, started throwing herself into the walls, made her way into the control room, started excuse me, destroying MTV's equipment, making her wayu through the house, destroying things, and then she might find her way up to the roof and the producers have to talk her off of the roof, and then her parents come to get her. She says she didn't know who they are. She starts actually physically assaulting them, and at some point over the next few days, when they go to travel back home, they go to Lax to fly home, she escapes. She has the whole wings shut down because everybody's looking for in the airport. Then there's some more to this, Bill, maybe you can attest to this. So sometime later she shows up at OVW and claimed Al snow and WW had sent her there for further training, which that is untrue. Lisa then found her way backstage at several WW Live events, helping set up pyro with the technicians. At one point she even had a face to face conversation with Vents, with him not knowing who she is. Eventually security catches on to who she is. Is any of this true or chat me up here there? Every bit of that is true, with so many pieces missing in between, every bit of that is absolutely one true. Bill. She seemed normal, She seemed like she was doing decent. She wasn't doing awful. She went from and she was a I think soccer was her think. She was a good soccer player. She was an athlete. She was going through things pretty good. You could you could see something right, You could see frustration here and there, but you didn't see it. And they went out one night, the kids went out one night, and she didn't go out. Now, when they're doing their thing, Al's in his studio, arm in my studio less and her eye reason hers. So you're there when it happens. No, we're not there, we're no, we're in order. All of a sudden, you get a phone call where she had I guess to the point like and I'll probably be scattered at it, to the point where she was in the control room she had one of the producers off his feet up against the wall, like superhuman strength off his feet. Then she was on the roof and they had to talk her off. That's from Big Gotten called and she she overpowered Big Wow and he's no small cat. No, so she kind she kind of she kind of went off the deep end. They finally got her. My understanding was she was at UCLA for a couple of days in the h and I'm gonna make light of it, but it's not it. But she was in the lack of dude ward for a couple of days until her parents came. Her parents came, she escaped from the airport, took their passport, She stole a rental car and disappeared. Well, she showed up in obw She was actually, she wrote on the referees bus for a week she was traveling to live events because she was telling everybody this is part of her tough enough training that al and everybody sent her out here to do it, so everybody knew tough enough was going on, and they went with her. I mean she was literally riding and sleeping on the referees bus and she would go to the towns until one day she got face to face with bench. We heard about it, and then and then she was back in La again and MTV had her face all over the place to not let this person in the building called the police. I mean, it was a it was a scary thing. But whatever happened, she snapped, Like I'm not sure what else happened in her life before them, but something got to her by the time of the weeks we were there that she legitimately she completely snapped and she went waugh could do and so at to one point, and so let me paint the picture of where the house was. When we say she's on the roof, they were in the Calabas Mountains. That roof. All that was on the other side was a three hundred foot drop. Yeah. I actually went back to that first episode to see the distant shot of the house. Yeah, this is a big house. Yeah, And so that's what they called us in on it, and that's when we were told that she was kind of put where she could be protected. And then we've learned all these things. So people then are calling us during the week and stuff. Is this girl still you know? No, And now Emptb's involved and the authorities are involved, in law its involved, and so it was it was really that was something that was really crazy to everybody. Really all of what you said is true, and there was so much in between, and and you had to keep it from the kids because you didn't want the kids to panic because it literally happened so fast. No, I'm not going out tonight. She was the only one who stayed home by herself, and within an hour she had gone. Now, just so we're clear, there was no drugs in the house. There was no, no, nothing like they were being once twenty four seven. So if there was an if there was a medical episode or something, someone was there. Well that's what happened. They thought they she needed and she picked that app off the floor and she literally had to be restrained by numerous people and you know, wrapped up in the old jacket and take it off because she for whatever reason, she just snapped. Man, And it was it was scary, and that's what they didn't want to do is scare of the other it's because everybody, Nope, she just had enough and kind of pulled the Jill thing and she you know, she's gone. But the whole time and the kids weren't rippy to all this other stuff that was going on. We were, I mean, we were getting daily updates and people going, hey, we got your girl here, and she's been on the button. No, she's not our girl. She's don't stop her, don't let her on there. So they literally had to put like the old face on the milk cart in every WWE show. I mean, she was walking through security, she was in catering, she was in locker rooms, she was everywhere. Wow. I don't want to make two light heart of this. I hope she is okay and everything ended up okay. But this is all true, and a lot of this was reported online and you could actually tell the like you said, the kids, the contestants, Yeah, they didn't know. You could see the confusion on their face. They knew there was more to it, but they didn't know. And this clears up a lot of stuff between Lisa and all and I. We were trying to make ourselves feel better about it by blaming each other, you pushed over the edge, Oh you made a stat you were too hard, or you know, we were trying to make light of it, just between the three of us, because we're like, what the hell just happened? Because like, if it wouldn't have went differently, if she would have went off the roof, that would have been devastating, tragic. It would have been tragic. It would have been devastating, not the heck with the show because for and and to be honest, for a while there we were backtracking to see what we did to make that happen. I mean literally big al Ivory myself, We're sitting there going, what did we miss? What? You know, because we're very attentive, we're with them all the time, and there wasn't one thing that happened, and she just boom and everything you read is exactly true. Like she was on the like most wanted, do not admit, do not call the cops, make sure she ran from her parents a bunch of times. I mean, she'd lit that day in the airport, she stole a rent, seemed like a perfectly normal person on camera, didn't seem like she she wasn't struggling any more than anybody else necessarily. Nope, And they went out one night and she didn't go out. And yeah, well, Bill, that's a going to bear stopping point this week. We'll jump back in and start on episode four next week. Oh man, this is just fun stuff. But I expected this to be a long episode, but it's going to be a long few episodes. Yeah, but it's a lot for getting into. I love this, Bill. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge here and speaking the truth because this is a moment where in WWF really started getting mainstream. Yea post attitude error kind of coming to an end. Then WWF is mainstream here, it is television and it starts to become reality TV. And this is a big part of it. You were a big part of it. Like yeah, and I hope it gives everybody who's listening and tuning in. It kind of gives like we you know, I would say, pulled back the curtain a little bit on the ins and out and how it really came to be because at the end of the day, and we'll talk about it, you know, next week and further. People just saw that thirty minutes forty five minutes of TV, so they got to make their own opinions, but hopefully we get hopefully, twenty seven years later, we're starting to tie it all in, so it really starts to make sense and people will go back and view it. But houpe, everybody continues to follow us. Uh, click the like buttons and and tune in because yeah, but this is a lot of fun. We're gonna we're gonna have a heck of a ride here. Man. This is great job. Yeah, no, and I appreciate you very much, Bill, and Bill's right. Let's you know, if share it with your friends, leave a review, whatever you can do to help out would be I'd appreciate it. I'm sure Bill would too. And we have a website at Bill and for me that I actually do have it live. Didn't no idea. Bill Dumont dot com is live, dang it. There's a contact form on there and you can also email us at Bill Dumont pot at gmail dot com. We want to hear from me, and we want to have you involved, and we hope you're enjoying it as much as we are. Heck, I would do this with you, Bill if nobody was listening. So I think that's a good sign to me. This is great, so Bill, we'll come back at it next week. So everybody listening, thank you very much, and in the meantime, keep being you, keep being great. You can get out you're feeling br Sha. Take a little stance on the right, y'all. Slat sidish y'all. Jeff counting d