Tough Enough Season 3 part 2

What's she gonna do? Brother? When Jeff Townsend media runs wild on you, Molly, alright, alright, alright, this is Jeff Townsend and you are tuning in. I like to say tuning in Bill. I don't really know why, but it takes me back to like the old radio days, but the build him on experience, Bill Legend, Billy d How you doing, man, I'm doing good, but I do it tuning it. I never thought like you think that's an old term, and I'm twice as old as you, so let's not use that term tuning in anymore. I've taken of like the old days where you're like, you know, literally in the all all before your phone was like and hooked up to your car. You might be second TV hick. I don't know, but you had to use the knob and turn it just to the right frequency to get the radio station you want to death. They don't even have CD players now. Man. It's like my son asked me the other day. We're talking about CDs, and he said, what's a CD player? Oh no, I'm done. Oh yeah. It was really big to collect them in those books. Remember, I havn't eclectic taste in music to begin with. But I have a couple three thousand CDs and my garage that will never be used because one, my youngest doesn't know what a CD is, and two I don't think anybody in my house owns a CD player anymore. It's not easy to come acros us. I remember the Walkmans were huge when I was a middle school Those were huge, the Walkman's that was like life changing. Well, and then we tried to use those, you know, because they had the strap. You could wear them in the gym, but you can't wear that big piece of thing and trying to live, so you're always breaking one and replacing it and then down the heck. Yeah, they tried to say you could use them for running too. Yeah, if you want them to fall on the road and break. Anyways, man, we actually, before we get into picking back up where were left off last week, we did a deep We're doing a deep dive on Tough Enough three. We left we left off after episode three, I think with Lisa, Yeah, breakdown. But before we get back into all that, I did want to ask you what you've been up to this week, and I wanted you to talk to here shortly. He can be quickly briefly about the video that you posted with accountability, you use that word a lot bill Yeah, so what what you know? It kind of boils down to a couple of things, the way the Foundation looks at drunk comparing distracted driving. Right, So, the three things that we talked about at the dinner bank and on the video we posted earlier this week is accountability, the repeat offender, and then being socially acceptable, and all those things tight they tie into each other because no one listen, if you're if you're gonna do, if you're gonna drink and drive, then you should be held accountable. Well, now, not only are the the offenders not held being held accountable, neither the judges or the legislators who passed these bills and laws, and then not then not you know, go through with the you know, the jutification process the way things are supposed to go. So then we developed the repeat offender mentality because I gotta slap on the risk nothing happened, but you know, it's going to cost my daddy a couple thousand dollars to get me out of trouble. And we'll move on. I'll get my license back because no one's being accountable for the penalty of the law. And then that makes it socially acceptable for moms, dads, teachers, lawyers, doctors. Everyday, people to go out a couple of miles down the road, a couple of cold ones because it was a long day and a long day work, couple of blasts of wire my girlfriend. That's not drinking and driving. That's me relaxing. So now it's socially acceptable. And so the purpose of that was and when it happens so close to home, meaning where we are in Central Florida, literally within three days of us having that, you know, our annual dinner, there's these absurd d hyrest going on all around us. And it comes back to being repeat offenders. We're letting you know, we're letting them out and you know, doing all these things. So that that's what sparks off. Like the thing that will get this guy build them out in trouble sometimes is I don't necessarily soak it all in. You know, the coaching twenty four hour rol. If you have a problem to coach, give it twenty four hours, so you talk to the coach the right way. I don't have that. I have here's the problem. I'm pissed. This is what I on social media. So that's that's again, there's my long answer to what I've been doing this week. But um, it's time for that accountability process. And as we go into new legislative sessions here in Florida, I'm gonna be making my way to Tallahassee as I always do, and we're just gonna be fighting for accountability and it's gonna be on both sides of that that gammle, you know. Yeah, So what you're saying is it's a it was a reactive post because obviously I saw it had been we share the YouTube, right, so I saw it had been posted up there. So is it like a spur of the moment thing You're like, I'm gonna post this on all my platforms. Yeah, you have that moment of I was working on presentation to have coming up next week. What happened was in the news a councilman here and the next county over got arrested for his third d u I. And when they got into jail, he took his shoes off. He had ten grams of cocaine and issue no license for the motorcycling is driving, so he's a peat defender. It's socially acceptable because he's a councilman in Bavard Counties district and he had three different boards and he's this whole facade of well, where's the accountability from our lawmakers and our people that we pay to do these jobs. So now it's socially acceptable by that. It's like a public service. Yeah, our leaders do it. Clearly. He's had three d wise and nothing's happened, so why are you coming after me? And that's there's the mentality. So yeah, when it happened, I just stopped what I was doing, made that video center out on all my you know, social media platforms, and okay, back to work. It reminded me of like if my dad were to record a video. By the way, what's a map? It's it's one of those things. I'm continued work in progress. I love it. No, So no, I did want to bring that up something like that every week obviously, because that's the way year when you're working on and I did. As soon as you posted it, I saw that. So but hey, you want to hear something exciting. Though we did get at you get an email with a question are we gonna do that now? Yeah, we're gonna do it before we get in back in the stuff. Enough now, now I'm a little excited for our first email. Our question. I laughed out loud when I laughed out loud when I read it. Oh, okay, let's have it. Okay, so let me look here, and you're gonna love the email here. This is from Bob Orton's cast at gmail dot com. Bob Orton's cast. That made me laugh. It says Bill and Jeff. I know you guys are probably big Okay, you know you're probably friends with Disco Inferno, but I must ask for your honest opinion on this. Who was more over Disco Inferno or Fandango fan Dango? And why? Thanks for your talking, Oliver, Disco Inferno war fen Dango. Yeah, that's a good question that actually if if you if you don't get offended by the question, it actually is a good question. I think I'm picturing disco and for another Glenn, right, Yeah, how do how do I answer this seriously or have fun with it? And I think no matter what I do, it's gonna be funny to somebody. Well, if you separate the two who who's the better wrestler in the ring, and it's Fandango who's the better entertainer. I think it's Apple's to oranges. It's different times. Disco, I feel, was very entertaining and became the hot, hot guy, where I think he could have been very entertaining and done a lot more. I feel he could have gone a lot farther. Fandango was just the opposite. He had so much more to give and he was limited to the things he was supposed to do. And I think as the gimmick got over, that opportunity was taken from him, where Disco was happy with the way things were going, you know, for him, because he was always in in the mix or something. Anyway. Yeah, and it's not taking away from Glenn. Glenn was. I thought Glenn was a good performer. I thought the character was great. But if fan Dango had the same opportunities at Disco this, we wouldn't be having this question because fan Dango is a heck of a heck of a worker and and he you know, he's super entertaining. But once you get you know, and I'm sure we'll talk about this all the time. Once you get pigeonholed into that thing when you start to break away or start to you know, blossom, and they don't like it, your needs get cut out. Yeah. So the overpart, man, it's hard to say a modern air the whole um arena up dancing to his song, humming it. But you know, dis Confronto definitely had his great moments. But I think Disco would probably be over more with today's crowd of wrestling fans. Yeah, if he wasn't so damned vocal and opinionated. Yeah, because it doesn't give people to get to know the character they're listening to him and then naturally going to go towards the negative. But I think it's two different scenarios. Who was more over? We were doing sold out Arena's WCW, but so is w you know, after the fact that I still look, okay, who's in the business, who's still working, who's still doing these things and making money doing it? So I'm gonna go a fandangos over moreover with the premise of I think this Goo had a ton of potential and if he was perceived differently, he would have been bigger a thing. I think that, Yeah, we for a lot of us. But I think he had one of those characters that could have done more. Yep. He was in a mix of things though, and uh, you know like the wolf Packs that. Yeah, I mean he was in some good stuff. He Uh. I remember when he run out Darry and the whole Kevin nash Um, the like the Scott Hall came out and you know be yeah, the whole Goldberg thing. He took a gnarly spear there, you know. Yeah, he found his way into a lot of stuff. And that's what they mean. If he wasn't the he became the uh, he became the new Virgil for that group. You know. He he's better selling though, I would say, oh, I agree, like I think Glenn was was a tremendous performer. Yeah, you can sell the hell out of it. Yeah, people people won't appreciate that because they know the Glenn Gilbertie now and not to disc Inferno of old. Yeah. And I enjoyed there. I enjoy the podcast so much, keeping it one hundred, I really do. If he had to kind of eat when he was working, he'd be a trillionaire. Oh my gosh, can you imagine? Oh well, that was a fun question. That was a pretty neat little first email. That was a good question, Bob, Bob Ordon cast one for the record books that I'm gonna remember that email. Uh So, let's pick back up where we left off. So we left off with I'm trying to look here, looks like we left off with the whole Lisa ordeal. On episode three, Scott had hurt hiss um. That was pretty much so the the whole gist of the episode. But we talked about the chaos with Lisa as a recap. She had a what appeared to be a mental breakdown, got an a tussle at the house with the producers, found herself up on the roof, got talked off the roof, went to the hospital. Parents came and got her, didn't know who they were, got physical at them on the flight back home. Later, she escaped, took a rental car, and for the next couple of weeks it would tag along with the I don't know if it was a couple of weeks, Yeah, there's a couple of weeks. For a couple of weeks she tagged along with the Piro crew in the for WWE. Well, she tried to go to OGW first, saying that she had been sent there by you guys more training and that didn't work. She did find herself backstage for several events with the crew. I don't know if it was the ring set of Crew just Piro or Watch. I think it was a couple of the crews. I know at one point she had traveled on the ref bus for one for One Life. So it was, you know, thinking back on that the hardest. And and and while you know, we've had kind of some chuckles in the middle of this part of episode three, but the rest of the time, you know, we had to keep this from the kids because we weren't unsure. But at the same time as trainers. I remember us sitting there a couple of different nights going, man, what did what did what did we do? Or what did we miss? Because we pride ourselves on getting to know down really quick and and doing these things. So that was a big uh, you know, pull back the curtain, you know, between Big and Al and Ivory and myself and and the one producer. What what did we miss? And boy, how could we have uh, you know, maybe help prevent that or see that early on, But that happened so fast, man, and and that's hard to believe that that was only episode three in this in this season. Yeah, we we we drag out the last one pretty long. We're having a good time. Yeah but uh but no, seriously, I've coached high school basketball and that would definitely be something where and this is your first go at it here in WWE and the training department. And you're thinking, because on TV at least it appeared that completely normal mindset. Everything seemed to be normal with her. She was struggling, but not not any worse than a lot of the people. Yeah, never, and that evening she just snapped or something. And so so here comes the hahat part of it, and there goes enhancing my reputation as the evil guy, right because once that started to get out, and it didn't get out in public, it got out behind the scenes at WWF, you know WWE. So now people are looking at me, people that have just started meeting me, and I've worked with them for a couple of years. Now they're going that freaking the mats of psycho. He drove that girl crazy. You also were told that you are a trainer. You few Morris is no longer with the company Build Them On is and that that So that's also where we left off there. So you know right now that you're this is your gig. This, yeah, this if there was any question before that when they fired Hugh Morris and iired build them up, that that's solidified that this is my thing, and not that I wasn't all in before, but then I understood. Okay, like you said, this is my gigs, now I'm twice as invested in one. Hearing your bosses say we want that guy in my mind, well that's easy because that's just me pretty much all the time. You know what that tastes to wrestling, you know, as it pertains to how you train and things like that, absolutely me one hundred percent of the time. So I thought we were often running at that point. Let's kick off with episode four here. Episode four opens up with hip tosses. Big guy Chad can't quite get over and perform this one. Let's talk about how difficult this is hip tosses, but let's also talk about how difficult it is if you're six foot nine or ten like he is. Yeah, because he's he has a lot more ground to you. You would think because you're bigger, you have more room to to, you know, do these acrobatics, but you have to talk and land in a pretty safe spot. Otherwise if you get long, the ring gets hard. All these things come into place. The other thing, too, is you're six nine and you you have guys and girls in that competition that are five foot six. You can't even get under your arm the hip toss you to begin with, So you're crouching down and you know, you're trying to find your footwork. And that just seemed to be, you know, a big sticking point for him at that, you know, at that venture of it. Yeah, there was a lot of gaga going on up till now. I guess, as Patterson would say, right with the the stuff that makes it reality TV. Obviously we saw that Scott had some struggles, but now we're seeing it with Chad and he's just really struggling to catch on and perform some of the stuff that's noted. Yeah, it's safe place to go ahead, No, you're fine, No, No, Yeah, he was just a he was just a big kid, and and you're trying to teach people do something they wouldn't that you're not trying to do anyway. Nobody wants to fall right, and then nobody wants to get thrown, So now you're asking him to help yourself out otherwise I'm gonna have to do it to you and for you, and that's when it's just starts to get wonky. So, yeah, he struggled. You know that that was the first time we've seen other than the normal, you know, learning process, that someone else is starting to struggle in the competition. And I think it's also important to note the safety aspect that you have as a trainer. You're accountable to that, and it's not mentioned quite as much as it was in the relaunch of Tough Enough in twenty eleven. You were the one always saying with Jeremiah and we'll talk about that later because that's that's a fun season too. But he's dangerous, you know. Yeah, he'll do anything, but he's he knows enough to be dangerous or and he just this is important thing to note here with Chad, Yeah, just enough to not only be dangerous to someone else, but to himself because you have you know, you have, we all have that. That thing about we want to protect ourselves was put the other person in, you know, and that and that episode you see him running into each other and we're trying to throw them and balance is a big thing. So now we're getting into a little bit more of the what the viewers think is, you know, good stuff. But now that's now we're getting intricate with these guys. And and like I said, we'll always go back to that seven days crammed into a forty five minute episode. So by the time you get to see and what you guys were seeing, you know at the time, woof, there's a lot of reps and a lot of a lot of shouting and sweating and bump cards being filled. So it segues next to Rebecca, it's going to show some struggles with her ultimately, is what this is leading up to you? Rebecca says that and I don't call me directly, but implies that God wants her to be a wrestler. She later calls herself a church mouse. Bill I've never heard that term church mouse. I noted that, I don't know why. Maybe it's just because I'm silly. That was the first time I heard church mouse. And she doesn't feel like she can relate to the others because they don't share the same values. She's then shown dancing a little bit later in the restaurant bar countertop, Jonah eats too much and pukes. Scott got so intoxicated he pissed his pants. And this actually actually gets worse because emergency services were called and he was taken to the hospital. Of ye who pays for this crap bill? NTB had all the everything did happened while they were shooting was on them, you know. So I'm I'm gonna say, I'm not sure about the hospital stuff, but I know they in order for them to shoot dead, they get clearance with the hospital, so I know they paid the bills so they could get that footage. You know. The Rebecca thing started out very we were concerned, and then you saw how she was out dancing, what she loosened up, and then I think, and by the way, this is not a judgment any way, shaped or form, but she was she was kind of portraying one thing and yet doing another. So that was the ten with the camera times ten, the way it was being edited. Yeah, and you know, you can't work at Hooters. And then the outfits they were in and then claim to be this and you don't fit in with it, you know. So it was a little bit of her trying to build a resume that wasn't really there. And then as you watch it happened, it unfolds and so she's not who she said she was. Well, we'll get into it more later. But she's also having problems at home, and we will get to that, yeah, later. So the stuff's piling on. We're starting to see this here as we get weak, there's a crap. So next practice setting, it shows the contestants are starting to wrestle around. They're actually shoot wrestling is what I would call it. John, as we knows, John Morrison now hurt Scott and Jonah. At one point I think he Jonah was vomiting because it's something had happened, one hit in the throat or neck or at a certain way or something, and there they were. They were shoot wrestling. Scott obviously got hurt by John, but John hurts Joe and I here, do you remember this shoot wrestling going on in the ring. It didn't look good. It looked pretty rough. Yeah, that was them doing that stuff before we got started there at lunch break. That's what they were starting to do. Because now they were, you know, not because they learned a few things now they're you know, they were prosed by them brother, so they took it upon themselves to go and tussle around. And I think is that where Joan was getting sick because he got thrown knocked, he landed on his head or something right, and it made him nauseous. And then that started a whole other chain of events. Yeah, we'll get we'll get to that. But he was either it was either his neck or head something from John did. But let me just say this, though, man talk about John. John was miles above everybody on conditioning, on strength. That guy was a athletic fella. He still is a freak athlete. You and and then in and that show he has to be forty pounds lighter than he is now. Yeah, but you can still see how well and he's tone he had was built from the inside out. He was a machine physically, I feel mentally. He was acrobatic, he was charismatic, he had it all. He was great from from the jump. We knew, we knew episodes in that he was the man and it'd be hard pressed for him to have failed. And you know, nobody was gonna let that happen because we knew what he had listen. If he didn't win the competition, that's you know, that's a different story. But we were he was gonna be at war that because he has important, not because that happens. Yeah, from from the jump, we knew that he was one. If he was the only one we took, we've been completely happy with that because he from the minute go, he didn't back down from anything. He tried every thing. He was Here's the thing where you know, it's it's a TV show, but we were looking for athletes and he was so coachable. You showed him something, he watched it, and he has moments where he could act you know, goofy with the rest of him and all these things. But he came. He came to be the best and had no problem being the first and the runs, being the the you know, the strongest, being the fastest, not giving up, and people who could do things in repetition and do it well. You knew from the jump he was the guy reminds me of the kid that we all went to school with. And I'm not saying this is this case because I'm sure he well worked out but naturally gifted. And then you throw on top of it determination and it's a pretty incredible thing. Yeah. I mean he came in. His name was Johnny Blaze. Yeah, that's it. And he backed in. That was the running joke was he backs up everything he says he can do, he could do, and he the confident and it wasn't like a an arrogant confidence. It was just a confidence. And here I am, and he came to win. And you know that's why the end result is what it was. Let's look here. Okay, we're back on. We're back taking these bumps. Now we're a you're on all fours. Joda is really struggling here at this point. At one point, I'm gonna say, he falls on your head. And you keep telling him this, Bill and I noted this. You keep telling him he's overthinking it, stop thinking about it. And you frequently say this throughout tough Enough series, explaining that, I mean, it sounds obvious what it is, but it's something that you said all the time. If you're a pitcher in baseball, your job is to pitch strikes. The minute you start to overthink it, start to get fancy, before you're good at what you do. You're getting in your own head. You're you know, you've gotta just relax, because if you know, if you understand what I'm saying and you try it that way, we'd get a lot further. But you're listening to what I'm saying, and you're gonna do it your way till you figure it out. In the meantime, you're you're knee and me in the head or landing on the back of my neck and doing all these things. And after a while, you're only gonna tell someone for so long, relax and just do what we're asking you to do. And again, by that time, we should have been past this. So that's that's the frustrating part. But always reminded everybody, if you don't let me in the kitchen, and I've said this before, it I'll say it again. Let me in the kitchen, let me sit down and make myself at home, and we're going to get past all these things that they aren't working. But that was always like, just relax and do what we're asking you to do. Don't try to put and my whole thing. It was more of a knock towards the people filming this damn show because now these kids realize during the third and fourth week of it, and they're being told, Okay, this maybe episode four or five or seven, whatever it is. So now they're playing to the cameras and trying to build their character. Yeah when and to me that was the that was the blessing and the curse of non scripted reality TV because they cut onto these cameras and microphones and hey, it's just challenges and if I could be a character, people are gonna love me, keep you on TV. But I have these three trainers that are trying to come out with a different outcome than I am. So here's here's where we always meet in the middle of him clash and made for some really good episodes. Joe and I actually gets a proposal here. If he is able to do this, you give him like a redemption opportunity. Here. They will have the training and the mountains will not be as intense. I remember the percentages you guys do were out. But the group's really riding on him here and we'll talk more about how these injuries and the fatigue starts to really pile up. He blows this opportunity and so the group's very disappointed in him and the training and the mountains is showing it's intense as always. And then after that there's a big moment here you guys are meeting up to discuss the progress of the contestants. These are things that you said. You say John is the most natural, Jonah is cocky, and Nick is soft. And this is the first time I'll say it. I think Nick kind of flies under the radar. Yeah, and it gets to later, it gets to the point where he can't anymore. But for now, you note that he's soft, and he kind of flies under it for a while here he's so he goes back to that thing I said just a couple of minutes ago, a lot of them started playing to the camera. He wasn't doing any of it. On the other side, he wasn't standing out, and he wasn't you know, showing out. So he up until that point you really didn't even know he was in the competition until you go, wait a minute, what's what's this kid over here in the corner to him? And it's not a knock on him as people you know, it's just it's a personality thing a lot of times too, but I mean, not right or wrong, but in this particular instance, Yeah, but we think we do is personality. You're on the road three hundred days a year, you've got to at least know how to get along, you know, and be personable and because and you'll you know, you and I have heard this from the undertakering guys for years that hello and goodbye means more than any conversation you're gonna have. Like, hey, brother, okay, we made another day in the road together. Just because he said hello to me. Yes, he doesn't mean don't say hello to me today and don't at least show some me just in the people you're living in the same house with, you know, you get you can't seclude yourself in that atmosphere. And now that's the point of having them live together. Okay, this is one of my favorite times. And al just to such a damn incredible job. We gotta get him on here to talk about some of the stuff. Bill, you gotta reach out to him. It's cutting time. He walks up and down. They're they're lined up. Of course, we'll paint the picture here. And he walks up and down, and he stops and he looks at and it's incredible television here anticipating who's gonna get cut. He sits them down. He coaches them actually as he sets them down. And as we go through this here, what do you know he gets to We're gonna say tall Chad, and Tall Chad is cut. We just talked about that earlier. He was having a really hard time keeping up with stuff. So he's cut. His name is spray painted over on the wall, symbolic ending to the episode for sure. So we're starting to needle down here and we're starting to pick out people that are struggling. And I think it's also I'm not saying he didn't put forth effort, but the question a lot of the times here is how did Scott survive? Maybe it comes down to effort and passion and like I said, the seven days year with him, what the show is, what they're gonna show, but the willingness to not quit, and there's something. There's just something to the kid. And maybe he wouldn't have been a in ring superstar, but maybe he would have been a great mouthpiece for someone because he's so awkward there. You know, there was just so many any things that stood out about him, and it outweighed the things that annoyed you about Scott. So that's that's how he got in there. And don't forget, this is a TV show. So yeah, this guy's making good TV. MTV probably doesn't want you to get him off there, right, you don't want you don't want, uh black of a better term. You don't want five farts on your TV every weekend. You know you want to see you first of all. You need the comic relief, you need the drama, you need all these things. And we were we were making that happen organically. And then with Scott, he's just he was just so good for TV. But he truly did love wrestling and wanted to He wanted to do it, and he kept showing that. Unfortunately everybody got to see the not the best sides of him at all times. I think he has a couple of good moments coming up in this season, so oh yeah, oh yeah, we're gonna get to one here. In a second episode five kicks off, several of the tests are showing signs of being in pain, beat up, and tired. It's starting to really pile on and Rebecca finally reaches a point where she decides she needs to go home and deal with personal things going on. She's something about a house being lost of her mom. I'm not sure exactly, I can't recall, but point being, she the personal issues that she was facing at home caught up with her and she need to go be at home. Yeah, I think it was I think it was her mom or her aunt or someone like that. But I think the house was being taken and that played a big part or decisions, and I think she realized that. And again my opinion, I think she realized that the house she's being coming across, she didn't want to be portrayed like that on television. And I think she finally realized that maybe what she's trying to do is what she wants to get into. But I know there was a lot of stuff going on as far as the house or or wherever they live was being taken um and I think if if I'm not mistaken, because it was a long time ago, but we come back to some of that drama and we talked about it because I want to say, I think we got bamboozles. I'm not sure if that's correct or not. We'll have to again rupt me later. I guess if it doesn't get covered, because I'm not one hundred percent Okay, I could be thinking something else. But for some reason, I feel like once Rebecca left, we found out a different reason why she left. But I could be wrong. Yeah, that might not be disclosed in this I'm not sure. Oh then I'm definitely wrong. We'll see. Let me let's get through a little bit here. It's uh so we talked about Scott and this is a cool moment, and this is this is one thing I liked about this season in comparison to the the relaunch of it, they did bring individuals by, it wasn't really noted as much. Yeah, and I and I really enjoyed when Tommy Dreamer stops by here. Yeah, started in nineteen eighty nine, thirteen concussion, eighteen, fingers broken, and he shares a story about his dad was plagued with blindness but after a surgery he could see just for a few weeks and he actually gotta watch Tommy in a match versus rv D. Yeah. I think that at this point the contestants are starting to realize how much this business means to the people in it. Yeah, I think when and I liked it back then to your point where there word wasn't as many guests and superstars coming in to detract from it, but when you had someone like Tommy coming in and sharing what sacrifice really means and how art it is um personally and professionally. I've known Tommy since he started. We came out of the same gym, same coach. I've known Tommy a long time. But he you know Tommy, some people say his passion is unequaled in this business, how how much he loves the business. And in that episode, Scott got to prove just how much it meant to him to be h not only in the ring with Tommy to get to get a complete I can't a whoop ass opened on him, but he kind of showed out tough. He was too. Yeah, so what you're talking about here is and I'm a big Tommy Dreamer fan, by the way, but Scott actually goes out of his way to ask Tommy to hit him with a kindlestick. It was a it was a pretty devastating looking blow. He said he couldn't even really speak or bre either. He said it was the worst pain he's ever been in his life talking to us about a kindle stick. Well again again, let's go back to it, and this is the thing, and you'll get you'll get sick of me saying it again. Seven days, forty five minutes of television. Tommy pleaded with him, you don't want to do this, you don't have to do this. I want to you, okay, And Tommy looked at Al and Al went and Tommy looked at me, and I hit him, and you know, and Ivory and Bigg's going, I think, and all the kids were trying to talk Scott out of it, like, don't do it, dude. You know I can hear Jonah still say dude, don't do it, dude. But Tommy he agreed, and like Tommy's a firm believer. And if you want to know what it's like, I'm gonna show you what it's like, because that's how he got hit with it, and that's how he hit people with it, and he not the crap Scott, Like, how does it feel, though, Bill getting hit with one of those? You might as well. I'd equal it to if I was a pirate on a ship and they were giving me with a whip. You know, you see all those movies where you're getting whipped and it opens up your back like that that kendo stick if that's tightened up the right way. There's no mercy in that thing. Man. It's the it's a lingering ache after the initial smackthwock pain. It's a lingering ache and you feel that if you get it right, and it's an open sore and so you'll feel that sore the whole length to your back, or if it's across your arm. I've had him come across my neck and bend and smacked me in the face and the neck. You know. It just depends on how that kendo stick is tightened from the top to the bottom and who's swinging it. But Tommy, Tommy took the old Thurman Munson's stance that day and knocked went out of the park. And he should be getting paid for whoever manufacturers there is, by the way, for everything that he's for as much just he's promoted them throughout the years. My gosh, he needs to cut it. That it and it's one of those things like um okay, if if it happens enough, you build up a callous to it, or you don't feel it anymore. No, that kendo stick is brutal. I'd rather take the bob Bar baseball bat any day than a Kendo stick. I wanted to bring that up because if you're looking at it, you could be like, oh, it has some give to it. So I assume that was the not the case. So no, that was that that baby was tight and it was right and he laid into him. That was awesome, by the way. Yeah, yeah, he had a pretty big mark. We'll move on though. Uh. They started showing they really start focusing on Jamie on this episode, how bad she wants attention from all the guys. She gets wasted, starts kissing a guy at the club. She's trying to kiss John on the way back home. They continue to talk about this for several episodes. Uh, this is just reality TV stuff right here. I mean really, yeah, yeah, this is stuff at home. And Jamie has a crush on John. And while she has a crush on John, every time she went out and had a drink at dinner or something, she was making out with someone else. And I know at some points Il was trying to treat her like a daughter knock it off and with that and a kid, but but she she was she was boy crazy. Uh. I think it might be And I'm going back to like Rebecca or her and I don't know their personal situations, but it could be a lot of these contestants first time away from home for an expence of time. And let's not forget how yung they were. Yeah, you know, so a lot like the relaunch. It wasn't like the relaunch, right right. These these these were young kids fresh out of high school or go to college, make going to college, and to your point, never been away from home or had these experiences. And now wait a minute, you're taking us to like five star places to whoop it up, and there's cameras following us, and now I'm really gonna let loose. And then someone kind of reminding you, by the way, this is all on film, and yeah, go at thirteen, he's loving it, but Alice is saying, hey, hey, pet here, you might want to call that a little bit was loving it. It fits right in. This is where it's like the Real World show. You start seeing it. Okay, Next secret Circus Challenge, John dominates acrobatic everything like that, Jim Gymnast. Yeah here, just jump off Chris and flip your body around and do it effortlessly and keep doing it over nic again consistently he wins Planet Simple, but we get a special here. We got two guests that dropped by, and this is the end of the episod. So here Ray Mysterio drops by, and we will definitely talk about him more in detail. One day. He tells us backstory, explains the importance of the mask. Then he actually takes off the mask for them, and al is very stern about explaining to the group how significant that was. Yeah, that and and that's that's Alan a nutshell, Like I say, he meaning Alice especially, didn't want these things just to be thrown aways, throwaways for these kids. They needed to know how important not only what we're doing every day, but when when especially this man comes in and does that and and and shows that to them, they need to understand the importance of that. Otherwise it was just a guy who's wearing a hood and took it off. So big deal, he's one of us, and let's move on. I can do that. No, you needed to know the history and then the importance of what just happened. And and those are the moments that I appreciate the most. Because we tried to have a lot of fun. We got a lot of work in uh you know, we travel with the world with these kids and all that, but at the end of the day, it still lessons about what you're trying to be common and that's that's the one thing that Al was super super cognizant of all the time, is to make sure we didn't miss the moments to really explain why they were there. You know, episode closes out with that. We'll go into episode six here. This is when we start first seeing Kelly's back is really hurting her. And this carries on and we'll touch up on the result of this later, but this is when it starts being mentioned frequently. She's showing the excuse me the she you could see that she's clearly in pain. I guess yeah, And we'll get to that more. But the team is also taught transitional moves, which is noted as a big thing for them. And Nick randomly has an elbow injury that came out of nowhere, and we'll get more to that. But Nick's elbows hurt. I think he got to play in volleyball or if it was something, I think it was something ridiculous. But he came in and it was just all of a sudden, he was hurt and he couldn't do anything. Isn't a yeah sling, So we'll get to that more. He came in out of nowhere, like nobody gotta ends up or anything. He came in and he was all, h This one looked like you guys had no freaking clue. You're just like, like we left you yesterday, you were fine. You're you're coming in today yet, Yeah, you know, fill us in here. It will get to that. But okay, so let's see here. Big does a trolley to see which contestants can have a guest's visit. It's gonna be two people. John and Jonah get it. They decided to have their girlfriends fly out. Scott attempts to get in on this. Says he will empty his bak all the money he has in his savings account, which it was three or four thousand dollars or something to see this girl he has talked to he has not talked to since high school. He contacts her, she quickly shuts him down all on television. He he was trying to buy the opportunity to get this girl to come to Californian. She was not going for it. It's but his typical Scott. It goes back to he never rode a bike and so he's got to ride it up hill. Well, he's this girl doesn't even know he's alive, but he's trying to commence her to come back California and hang out with him for the weekend. And of course the group has a good time with this, and he's got to ribe his roommates to let him, yeah, that the group had a good they had a fun time with this one. Of course, this is good TV. Of course, I mean it really is. So then it goes a DDP. He stops by we'll talk about him one day more. Talks about getting into the business late, which we always hear about him, which was a challenge because he was previously hit by a car. I didn't realize this. He was told he'd never build a wrestle again. He explains how proud he is that he proved the doctor's wrong, and he actually stated this isn't Checkers at one point I noted that. And then it shows Nick on a sidebar here talking about how he can relate to this conversation. He's inspired, which is very strange because of what happens next. But Diamond Dallas Page everything I just said, it is a pretty neat story about him, and he's a guy that's really paved his own way and got himself over. Yeah, yeah, it's a page was inspiring back then before the world really knew his whole story. And now you know, fast forward, how many years later, he's a you know, worldwide known for just helping people not only succeed in life, but live better, healthy and all these things. Umae Page has a great story, and the story comes from never quitting, and and he could tell that story a million times that it would never get old, you know what I mean. It's there's something about that that has to inspire you. There's something about when he talks about his journey that you can put it into your own journey. But um, she's they don't. I didn't. I don't believe Sometimes earlier they deserved talks like that because guys like we we had to work to get those kind of conversations. But yeah, yeah, they were. They were always eye opening, and that was the best part about having the people that came there. They if you look at all the guests that did come there and superstars at the end of the day, if they didn't motivate you to want to leave the pack. Then that was a talel tale slide right there. And in this season it shows them physically working with the contestants quite a bit as well. I don't know if that was the case on the relaunch, but in this particular situation and what they were showing it, they were helping it. We'll get into that more, but they're actually in the ring giving pointers and being a part of the training sessions. So okay, the trainers meet to discuss the next cut. Ivory mentions that Nick has ten to Ninus and Alice is quick to point out that this is tennis elbow. He seems almost offended by this situation, and of course Scott would not participate in Alice, I don't. I think it was Al's quick to admit, I mean, excuse me, quick to bring up Jamie from last season who had a torrent freaking acl ye and toughed it out. This was offensive to see him to you guys, and he's cut. He seems mind blown. Was there like a timeline typically on when they knew they're gonna be cut, because to me, like, why would you pull this shit? Right? Then? No, there was there like They never got the heads up like, hey, you're in trouble or it could be you this week. I mean, even the cut was coming, they got like a day note. But I'm still struggling here knowing that there's gonna be cuts made. Why I would then decide to go to the hospital exactly. And I think it goes back to once again the contestants think they're out smarting the process instead of trusting the process. Well, I know there's cameras here. Let me get some sympathy because the empty here's the underling thing is while we're working the EMPTV, people are coming around and now falling in love with different characters here because they're watching, you know, the the weekly runs and their film back and the things we're doing, so they're all picking favorite. So they're getting like pep talks from people who have no idea what they're talking about wrestling. But to your point, you know that this week's a cut week and it's going to happen on this day, and you're walking in here because if I can just nurse this elbow thing and get away from doing some of this more as we get more physical and technical, then maybe I can last another week but to your point and that and that's what it's offensive because we spent six and seven days a week for ten hours a day with them, and we were going through with them. We didn't sit behind a desk and go, you know, do the mocker rain and we'll judge you on it. We were in there with them, showing them, you know, step by step. And so for someone just to come out and an X amount of weeks into this competition for an opportunity, yeah, it's just one of those things. Well, you weren't there. It just kind of falls against you, do You weren't really standing out, you know, you weren't really overwhelming us in any way sure or form, personality, physical things like that, and then you come in her. So maybe it's the best for everybody just to just the part ways. Yep. And we noted that, or I noted that earlier for a reason, right, flying under the radar. Yeah, then this happens. The cut is pretty easy, it seems like. And the big thing for me is, and I say this to everyone, the big thing for me is, if you want to be in this business, then you'll be back. He's never back, right, This was an opportunity he got a good look into what it may be like, and then some people start to realize, Wait, there's no cameras on us if we make it, Oh, just in the ring, this is this is the real part. Yeah, but he flew under the radar for so long and then comes up with a bad wing. Time to go because there's other people working hard. That's how the episode ends. Episode had seven kicks off here and they're doing physical challenge. And you have a quote that I know to here, I don't. I don't have excuse me who you said it too, But to me this was significant. You say, the last thing you want to do to me is fail, especially when I know you can do what's in front of you. I noted that Matt dominated this competition, these physical activities, and this was really the first time throughout the season that Matt was highlighted and a more than care more like a performance man. Yeah, he had kind of not been You can see he was doing everything fine, but he hadn't been highlighted yet. Yeah, you've got to. That's the unofficial official way of saying. If you think you're just gonna escape by when we when we think we know what you're capable, of doing and you're just I think you said it to somebody else under the wire when I know there's more to take and you're seeing it for when you think it's important. It doesn't work that way. I don't remember who you said it too, but I don't have that noted, but I did note that this don't It wasn't mad, I don't think. But it was the first time that he really stood out here. Big tails the team. They're going to go to Iceland, but somebody will be cut before they leave, and that's causing a lot of stress in the house, of course, which it should. Yeah, because now a lot of them one of go to Iceland. Yeah, that's one of the highlights of the show that they had done over the last couple of seasons a bit. But when you said it before, a lot of them never been out of their own neighborhood. We talked about how Scott never been on a my school near the ocean, and now we're talking about going to Iceland. Yep, you know, and and again what an opportunity for someone who's unproven. So you know this this is when I feel like I came in at the right time, because this was the best season to date, I think and I caused a lot of problems because now everybody's trying to plead their case and prove their worth and why they should be going, and you know, start the thing I call it like the fingers started to be pointed. If I'm not if I'm not mistaken, where a lot of little that that that that yep so Jonah's neck is bothering him. It's a lingering injury appears to be from the John yep Uh wrestling fiascal. He goes to the doctor hospital, it comes back. He's told this is a pretty common injury. He's gonna be okay. He's relieved. However, he comes back with a neck brace, returned to the facility and tears, telling the others how he'll never be able to wrestle again because the injury is so serious. He then revealed this is all a rib and his injurious minor. The other contestants had literally broken out in tears. Um Matt was completely completely devastated. John's crying. Everybody's crying, but Matt is trying to console him. He's hugging him. He's Matt's crying whiles doing it. Yeah, and then he reveals it was all just a rib and yeah, they although some of them laugh, you could tell that. Hey, they really were determined to get him back. From this point on. They they wanted to break his neck. He came up to Al and proposed this, this this rip. You know, because now these kids at this level, they're smart to the business. They're smart to all these things they've they've heard about and all these things. So they started saying rib like they're like their marks here rib rib rib rib rib rib brit. Yeah, so they learned a new word. Now they want to put it into use. He told Al. Al came and told us that this was going to happen. Well, you tell me and I'll break down in tears too, because I'll I'll sell the crap out of this story. So this was this was all on Joanah big with everybody. We weren't in on it, but we knew about it. This was all Joanah's idea. He did a great job selling it. Hey, this if if he could have molded all that, all that great the stuff he did it to a career, it'd be great. But by the time he got the poor Maddie, Maddie was just heartbroken and dude, dude, and everything was dude dude and um, yeah to your poor when he let them off the hook, I was like, ah, you're dead like they were. They were, they were. He didn't do himself while it. While it did my heart good, he didn't do himself any favors with that. Yep. So that's really the highlight of the episode. There's not a whole lot to happen on this one. The low light is this, though you guys discussed the next cut. You say Scott is a great kid, Al responds that he takes too long to train. Yep, and an emotional scene. Al very emotional, the first cut this year where he has actually been emotional. He cuts Scott and then in a turn of events, all the other contestants are very emotional about this, whereas episodes one through three or whatever it was, he's the most annoying dude ever. Well, the episode ends by them saying about how much he had grown to them. Yeah, everybody's emotional for Scott's exit here. Yeah. I think he goes back to that I can pick on my brother, but you can't pick on my brother. Yeah, And that was the mentality they became that the as the as the cutting happened, they became a tighter group because there was more time they had to spend together. It wasn't shoveled out to twelve people. Now there's seven and six and five whatever it is. But Scott did he endeared himself to these guys and girls, and they truly did. While he was their comic relief, they were still part of his group, and so, you know, it was it was emotional, you know, to say goodbye to Scott because he truly knew all the things he had learned while he'd been there. And again, I'm gonna go back. I'm always gonna go back to seven days a week, forty five minutes on TV. We got to know Scott really well for the time he was there. He's, like I said, I think I said earlier on another episode, he was a super good, super good dude. But he really endeared himself and I think everybody you had to love him. He was he was your guy. And while we could have fun with him, nobody outside of that tough enough could never have fun with, you know, mock him or retreat him bad. He was part of the group. He was part of the group. And he was a significant part of the show. It is sad to see him go. That's how the episode ends. Everybody's emotional next one kicks off. The guys are plotting a revenge on Jonah and it is either going to spike his drink with laxative. While training. He barely makes it to the bathroom without crapping his pants. He actually asked for your permission to go to the restroom. Yeah, you say something along the lines of why the hell are you asking me, jess go and he's shown running. There was squeezing his butt cheeks together the whole night. Ye cards. They had actually already set him up because Al had removed the toilet paper from the bathroom. Jonah is screaming out he needs toilet paper, he needs more. Well, you catch onto this. You go over there and you ask him if he was a child, and he needs you to wipe his ass too. Al had gimmicked another roll of toilet paper with just a few little squares left on it, and he tells him that's the last toilet paper. He doesn't happen to the rest He said, I'm being honest, this is all you've got. Everyone has a good laugh he comes back, they'd sell him. I think John had the bottle. He says, you know, hey, it wasn't your fault. And he was his drink was spiked. He he didn't when he when he was asking for permission to go to the bathroom. At one point he was he was soaking wet with sweat. Yeah, he was doubled over and knowing what was wrong with him, trying to look at him the street face go what what is the add with you? What he what'd he do? It? Like stand you know this kind of like stand up, be a man kind of thing. Inside I'm buying because you know he's gonna explode. Those those kids put more xlax and that Jomba juice than you would have needed for a water buffalo. And so to make sure that he had the right Jomba juice, which is a big drake out there at the times, like a smoothie. Yeah, they hit it. They did it to three Jomba juices, so if he grabbed the wrong there was no way for him to grab the wrong one. And so they you know, they kept paid doing. No, we better get bro, we better get the carbs, and we'd better do this and heat drank the jamba juice and within I don't know which seemed seconds. And then that was just the fun of it was watching him go through that. And after they led him off the hook, he still wasn't right for like another twenty four hours, like and then he kept going bro, if I gotta go bro, like, don't don't talk to me that way. But it was so funny to watch them. Okay, you got me emotionally, now I'm gonna get you physically. And um, yeah, we weren't sure if Joan was ever going to be able to stand up again. Oh that's a prank that has been used in it's several scenarios and all of our lives. Kelly's back is really hurt. She's fallen behind. Sorry, we got yep, we got yep. Late again here Bill, Her backs hurts fallen behind. You can physically see it. You all start to pack up the head to Iceland. You arrive, it shows you all eating at one of the top fifty restaurants in the world. Then you try to drink called black death. Oh my gosh, and it looked like death when it was. It was the end, and so that was the rule. Right, You're in another country. They were in a five star restaurant. This this chef is unbelievable and right, so we tell everybody that's the custom. Here's the terrible part about this tough enough thing is you can't ask these kids to do something you're not gonna do. Well. Al Snow doesn't drink right. So I'm I'm gonna drink the black Death, Jeff, because I'll try it, but Al has to drink it. So it was more fun for me to see I'll drink it and be disgusted than the kid. That was the worst thing, one of the worst things I've ever had to drink ever. And I made sure to buy a bottle of it and bring it home with me, and I kept it a freezing for years. That's good to know. I wonder if somebody brought that home it was it was nasty. Should have spiked his drink with that. Anyway, Eric hooks up with a girl he meets that night. Jamie seems overly offended by this, and then Bill, I'm going to call her the one nice stand girl because that's how I was filmed. She has shown several times on camera trying to find Eric. She's walking around you see her face. Eric's asking justin to help get her out of the room. She takes uh Eric's jacket and leaves. Yeah, waves as the camera says something at least I got this or something like that, and that's that segment ends. Uh poor girl, Holy shit, poor girl. I meant I meant, I meant the filming of it all. Oh yeah, they made their face and everything. Bill, Holy crap, Yeah, they there was there was no um and I think she probably must have signed off on that too. Now realize what they were gonna show. But all our rooms in that hotel, we're next to each other. Yeah, so if you were, if you were near the rucas and then you go, what that? Come on? Now the now the front desk is calling because there's rucas because they're trying to do that dipsy do. I'll go in your room and you come here. She'll never find me and that kind of thing. And yeah, she she stole something that blong to him and how she went and in the interim, you said it in the interim. Now Jamie's not getting attention from from the guys and that's setting her off again. Yep, veryffinn and are doing that. Yeah, that morning, Big tells them there will be a cut that day and the person will leave immediately after being cut. Yeah, so this is actually a thought. It was I thought this bar was pretty cool. You guys are showing training outside in what appears to be a boxing spring in the middle of a freezing temperature, very stiff Matt, beautiful cold scenery behind you of Iceland. It seems to be a pretty damn tough Matt. And and we'll just finish off this. Kelly physically can't keep up. She is cut. I have a couple of questions about the Matt obviously, and that wrestling in the cold out there, and then why the hell they fire clear out there just to cut her and send her home? That see that that was the to me, that's that was the great hook of Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna come all the way out here. It's everything everything was us. You have this that buck. So either you're just going there to get to say you got to go to Iceland, or you're you're gonna come out of going. I went to Iceland and I'm still here, you know what I mean? And I think it was good TB because of the fact of just what you're saying, why the hell would you go all the way to Iceland to cut someone? Well, maybe Iceland was the place for you to show how bad you really wanted it. Ala Scott did for all those episodes, but clearly Kelly was not physically physically prepared to go on and that we built that ring. It was freezing, and I wrestled and trade to Mexico for three years on a concrete floor, and I would have rather been back in Mexico because that was the most brutal thing that There was really no ropes, they wouldn't tighten. There was just an old boxing ring that this guy brought out. You know, it's one of those things they contracted out. He shows up with this dumps everything. We have to build it and show these kids have to build a ring and then you know, try to get some work done and you're not. I didn't know that. Yeah, if you took a bump in that you were done. And so that was the point. So Al and I do it. But it does show that the ring collapses, right because it shifted the grounds on the ground, and then they learned the importance of repairing the ring in the old wrestling saying the show must go on. We're not done for the day. The show must go on. Let's fix the issue the best that we can and move on. So I noted that as well. But that's I think that's the wrestling business. Yeah, I think you know, the ring breaks, so this happens or that happens. Well, there's people here at the time. We had a bunch of villagers building up. We were built up quite a little people group of people walk they pot there was a school and the school walked all the little kids up to see what the big fuss was. So this was their chance to interact with people, kind of show who they were. And Hey, just because the rings broker doesn't mean your day's over and you're getting to go inside to a warm room. We got work to do. And we were out there the whole time with them. It wasn't like you guys do this while we're drinking a Starbucks. We you know, we're putting in the work. Yeah, and the Darien this time, they're also showing how the guys in the house are starting to get a little bit disgusted by Jamie. She's showing shows several shots like screenshots of her burping and saying diva and we'll get to your moment later. Big tells the guys they need to look after Jamie since she's the only girl left. This scenario hadn't come up and tough enough yet. Jonah, for some reason, it could have been the way it was edited comments that he doesn't think this is fair and she shouldn't have any special treatment. But I definitely see what Big was saying. Yeah, I had three daughters, Bill, So yeah, no, especially because you know, like I said, when they were done training, they were always out in a hot spot or out dancinger or at a club or something like that. And as I'll speak for myself, as I probably been in a few positions where I needed someone to supervise me or or to make sure you know, I was okay. So especially saying in a country we're not from, anything could happen. And if you don't stick together here and watch out for you know, you take care of sister while we're here and while she's in the competition. Not saying you have to be your best friend, but she's the only girl left in a room full of you know, young men, And so Big was absolutely right, and that's the way that's pretty much the way most of the guys did, you know, watch out for Again, it's it's that's their sister. They can do and say and bag on her, but no one else could. And that's the point that Big I think, was trying to get across, like, hey, we have to protect her now. She once she's a female and she's all alone in this competition. Now, it's not like she had a roommate to go home to or anything like that ship for four or five guys to go back to every day. Yeah, I think it's a great move and that was definitely unique good television also, and it was a family moment as well for me. Yeah, I felt it in my heart. I guess you could say organically really started to all come together. This next thing here, I don't need a comment from you yet, because we're going to get to the ultimate result of this local news how your fall out here, Local news media shows up Jonah's making an ass of himself while being interviewed by them. You can see this. This irritated you, and we'll move on, but we'll get back to this later. Before the end of this, you're irritated here, and you tell him he'd made an ass of himself. The ribbing continues between the contestants and the trainers. Obviously it's escalating, and at one point Al was saying that he would be able to get into Jonah's room and there's nothing Jonah could do about it. And Jonah said, so he set up the room tile the belts on the doors where Al couldn't get in. Matt and Al work together and Al puts a signed autograph picture of himself. He gives it to Matt, excuse me. Then Matt places that on the foot of Jonah's bed. Wakes up in the morning. Obviously he's he's seen that signed letter. And I was making comments, et cetera. But I thought, this is a funny moment. It's it. It started a bunch of it started to trickle down effect for a bunch of stuff. But yeah, Jonah, you know Jonah was he so smarter than everybody else, and you never get him. And now you like I told you, I was the bad cop. I was a sneaky pete of professional wrestling. It's the ultimate rib bill because you didn't need to do anything. Yeah, he just kept tormenting him by not tormenting him, And yeah, the kid thought he was smart, and he was gonna, hey, he's one of the boys now and he's gonna treat us a little differently in that, and I'll just kept get him, getting him, and the other guys started getting on it and started to appreciate, you know, how how they happened. So to me, I was a genius with that part of it because it literally drove it drove him crazy. Oh okay, okay, dude, let's stop, dude, let's stop. Let's truth truth bro. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay. So this this next part I want to bring up because it can be and street in a different way than what I think you actually met here. So let's cover this Viking activities, Viking ship, Viking food. At dinner, the teams to the team is eating this food that I'm gonna see the team, all of you guys were had a lingering odor. It was still lingering. You guys start saying it's lingering because Jonah is hiding the food either under the table or in his pockets. He gets upset at these allegations as they continue, because you guys are teasing him, obviously, and he says it's not him and he'll strip naked to prove it. He strips down to his boxers and you and Al say to him naked, and you made the comment you just don't get it. And at this point he does finish getting naked. And let me continue here because I think this is all tian in here. The theme of Jonah's lack of respect continues. The activity picks up at the camp fire and several team members comment on how disrespectful Jonah is being big ass Jonah, what is a lesson you learned tonight? Jonah reply, respect man, You go through this bullshit because it's part of the game. You reply, obviously upset, bullshit, this is our lives. Jonah runs his mouth some more to you, and you kind of wander off in a fury. It seemed like you had to get away from him where you did something. You went to another campfire. There he brings you a beer, He apologizes. You explain the importance of proving yourself and being respectful. You tell him, and I have this quote it here you either come with me or stay behind, and that's no bullshit. This seems to be a very humbling moment for Jonah and the It's noted here that this trip has shown the software side of you, Bill, the hard work needs to be put in. He mentioned that it looks like you looks at you as an older brother, and then you end the segment by burping and saying diva, Yeah it's I love that boon. Think it became my thing for a long time. But that was it. Like we talked about the haha spots and with that, so that was for mented fish and um, that's the equivalent of the food of black death instead of the liquid it would. It smelled bad. And the thing was if one eats it, we all eat it. Well, Jonah was sticking it in his shoe. We know he was sticking in his shoe, and then the cameraman behind him was giving it up and giving up the eyesline, it's in his shoe. So if you you wanted to be a wise guy strip, this is all about show, right. No, Kayaku played a game and you know all these things. So now he has people in the in this restaurant. We're in a foreign country, right, you're representing the tough enough brand, so you're doing all okay, let's and that's it. He didn't get it, and so everything was a ribbed. Now brother, and now he was he was relaxed because he pulled a rib. He got ribbed everybody day. Jonah's that guy, Ao, you know, we're we're we're brothers and we're buddies. And and when he said that, it struck a chord with me and I and I literally walked away because I would turn around and knock him right on his you know, butt. And so I don't know how much of the conversation, but I remember him coming to the campfire, just me trying to like, look at Minago, dude, you're you just haven't paid attention to any day has gone on, and it became, especially for Joe. I think it became a TV show. I became an opportunity for him to do something other than become a you know. He was hoping much like uh total rewind to Wendell when he thought he was going to get a career out of of this. And so Jonah was becoming that guy and too comfortable and not good enough to be that comfortable. So at that point in the trip, and again they're away from home for the first time, but we're away from our families, were away from all these things we're putting in the same hours and then some babysitting all these you know, Wahoo's so at that at that point he had got to me and it was just time for him to know that he had lost my respect and or my ability to want to see him, you know. Progress yep, old pallor thin. This episode here you go to a local strong man. He's an Olympian for rights Land formerly she's I mean, you're always an Olympian, and you guys do these and they do these physical challenges. Everybody does well, including Jamie. Yeah, yeah, that was hey, that was hard. That was a big burly man, wasn't he. He he was the world's strongest man. He wanted that that year. Um and when he brought all that equipment, he didn't like he had a under his arm and this and this, and he's going and I'm looking and I fancy myself at the time. I was pretty powerful and pretty strong, and I'm thinking, yeah, jeez a, look at the size of this son of a gun. And we yeah, those those those um, those feats of strength and no joke. And Jamie did really well. She you know, she came to play. Episode ends, like you said, they're wrestling in front of the kids. It appears to be a humbling experience. That's to take away a success full team building session, I noted. And we go back home. Yeah, get into the episode to show the kids and they're putting on a match form. The one thing, the one thing when we went to Iceland that brought everybody together in my opinion, was when we jumped off the waterfall. Yep, that had that in there, but you're right, that was the that was the point, not only in the whole series, but in that trip because I looked it out. I'm definitely afraid of hights. I'm definitely afraid to hide. I'll get on airplane no problem, but anything else I'm not. I'm not hiking up. We went two miles up, had challenges in at the mile markers eating things or getting lost and something like that. And then we got up there and they said the only weak down is to jump. And I looked around and go, She's kids are freaked out. He goes, we gotta go. I said, what do you mean we gotta go? He goes, Bill. If we don't jump, how are they gonna jump? Well, I think it was Matt who said, I'm not jumping like I don't care. I'm not jumping, and out goes Bill, we have to jump, so Alan I Al's genius. Bill Hey, And I looked at him and I know he was serious. And my first response was, I don't give a crap if they jump or not. And then and then it like they were looking at us, all ready to walk down the hill, and something made me just go screw it. I went out and the guy says, whatever you do, don't look down, just jump. So I watched. I'll go over, and it's the forty five foot drop. It's huge. What he doesn't tell us is a the waters below zero and the water we're jumping into is only six feet deep. So Out jumps in, takes him what seems forever to come up above the water, and he works his way to the to the beach. I call it. I look at the kids. They're looking to me. You're going no, I'm going, yep, I go. I went into my covered up to my knees and sand. Well, I tell you, it was below zero, instant hydrothermia, and I'm trying to get out of the sand. I'm stuck because of this giant man jumping forty five down into a sandpit. Yeah, then all the other ones do it. Yep. When we huddled up to get warm and everybody looked back at the thing, that was one of the defining moments of my life because I've never done anything like that. Here I am an isle with people I just met, and that's when it started to build that camaraderie. And then they're like, hey, we can do this if we all stick together, if we all follow the thing, do the thing. But I think that the waterfall, the jump off the waterfall, was a huge turning point for a lot of them in life as well as just not in the in the competition. But screw that, I agree. Alright, alright, alright, I know we kept quoting this as a two parter, but truth be told, this was over a three hour long recording. Combined, this session was over two hours. So we're gonna have a stopping point right here. Next week we'll pick back up with a final hour. Then we'll wrap up bill covering tough enough season three, plenty of more great moments and information. Some hard hitting stuff is going to be coming at you on the next episode, some significant stuff that happened in the season, So look forward to that. In the meantime, you can always contact us at Bill Dumont pod at gmail dot com. Of course, there's a contact form on Bill dumont dot com. Appreciate all your support and all the good things we said about this podcast. 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