WWE Money in the Bank and AEW/NJPW Forbidden Door

What's she gonna do? Brother? When Jeff Townsend media runs wild on you, Molly, alright, alright, alright, after a week off where we plugged you with some old content from the last Build him On experience in twenty fifteen, twenty fifteen. I think it was Bill, we're back this week. I almost said live, Well, we're recording live. How's that sound? We? You and I are live? Right? Are you been? What is it? Johnny guy? I've been everywhere, man, you know, I always foundation right. Everything we talk about is catching up. And just we we headed out to New Jersey, big event. There's my dog hacking up along which yeah, my gus, can you hear that? That's he sounds like that. It sounds like an old man. But it's just this little like that dog on a Christmas vacation. What was that dog's name? It's not oh though, he's the he's the one on the grown ups that sounds like they say, can you kill the turkey because it's got this course, that's that dog. Um. Yeah, So we were in New Jersey fourth of July. Parade's a big event for us up there. Um naturally that grew up in Paramus, New Jersey, so we're part of that parade. UM really really great. That's what we've been doing. UM, finishing up my nonprofit course that I've been taking, the eight week course that we've taken. So everything's been really busy, foundation, really positive. UM and as always, the giant fourteen year old in the house is leaving for Nashville this week to compete with two hundred of the best UH fourteen year olds in the country for a new Bounce Future series. So we're we're excited about that. A lot of good stuff going on. And let let the biggest thing happened is we're closer and closer to the Hall of Fame and getting the Waterloo Iowa. That's the high that's the high spot now for the for the summer. So I'm getting into playing shape for that one. I'm gonna have to start to go fund me to get there. I think, man, I'm a I'm excited for you though. And I just saw the updated of all the all the people that are gonna be there, and it's just, uh, my whole career is in that room, every every bit of where I've been in my career and my journey. All those men that are there or have been part of my career, so it's really really cool. I'm I need that. I'm gonna say it like that as a personally forget, you know, not leave foundation out of it and other things out of it. I need this trip because it'll it'll really fill my heart good and see those guys and just be around it. Like to me, it's like this show when we talk wrestling and just have some fun and we can just you know, relax and kick back and talk about something we enjoy. So I'm looking forward to beat around those men and and sharing sharing the weekend with him is really going to be special and you'll be plugging the uh the Buildemont experience. Oh, I'm gonna I'm I'm wearing my shirt. I hope it gets here in time. I'm gonna be wearing my shirt that we can only get on Jeff t Shirts dot It's true and that is now even easier because Bill, I don't know if you saw that, I updated Buildemont dot com. I have the tab for the foundation on there. No kidding, yep, yep. It's it's just basic, but it explains it and then it also just to learn more about go to the website. Than at the bottom of the bage it. It does have information on the T shirt where the proceeds go to the foundation. Listen, you are you're the man, and not only you're the man, you're the man with a quite sporting beard, I might ask. I might add that I really am digging the beard. You did call it the Duck dynasty when when we got on, I was like, whoa, who's this guy? And why isn't Jeff sitting in a chair? It's all they've been two weeks, But man, give it two more weeks and I'll give you. I'll send you the rubber bands I used to wear in my gin and you can start putting rubber bands in there. Oh that's true. Actually, it's funny for those listening. As I brought Bill into the recording studio virtually here, I heard him say, my beard looks like crap, so I thought he was talking about me. I was like, dang, you're like speaking of beards. Look at the Duck dynasty. Look, yeah, my beard looks like crap because it's I only have a little bit of gray hair, unlike you I have. I have a touch of brown left on either side. But it's all my My bypass a smidgeon. My bypassed gray and went to white. You know how you those white hairs are so bristly in course, that's yeah. I don't even have gray where it's like attractive older guy gray air. It's just it was like the Sanitas movie. Yeah, with Tim Allen. Yeah, I'm like rightwood, he shaves clean and it grows back quick. That's what I look like right now. Do you remember to go as the doctor and he's like the Doctor's like I think it's just a waterway. He's like, waterway. I've gained fifty pounds in one week's healthy as a horse. Yeah, Clydesdale. It's good. It's all water. Fifty pounds in one week. Man. But uh yeah, man, it's good to get back with you here. We yes, Like I said, if the Hall of Fame dates, I want to get that in there. It's the twentieth, the twenty second. You can look that up on line. Hopefully I could make it there. Bill, you should have got into wrestling with they're paying these millions of dollars. Then then we could just buy a house there. It's it's unbelievable right to see the the I guess the transformation or the evolution of the business. And and my son Billy was just asking me, he goes, what did we were watching? Um? Was it NXT last night? No, the night BEFO, Tuesday night? We were watching NXT? Yeah, And he said, Dad, what do those guys get paid? And I was explaining to him that, you know, now it starts somewhere like sixty five k year to get brought into the before he goes, he goes, wait a minute, he goes, they get bade sixty five thousand dollars a year to learn how to do that. And I said yeah, And that was the first time I've ever heard him say. He goes, I want to be a wrestler. But the going back to your initial statement is the financial upside to it now is so crazy. Yeah, you to your point. If we if I'd got into it now, we just have a house in Wardloo, we can walk to it exactly. Hey, So this is actually a perfect segue. So this week we probably won't jump back in and wrap up the US title discussion just because we've been out and we have a lot of questions. The first question is actually from Winner Hale on Twitter. John Cena recently came out and discussed his first WW contract one year, twelve thousand dollars. His rent costs a thousand dollars a month, so all his money just went to the rent. Comments on that note, they know about mister Sena now Winner was curious how you felt about that. Well, I don't feel well, I'm not surprised. I mean, you've heard and I think people think of John Cena as he's always been that guy. They don't know, you know that he was in California, Rick Bassman before he got signed ob W and all those guys in OBW and all those guys and girls, they weren't making a thousand dollars a month, you know, they weren't doing that. They you know, some of them were paying to be there and got opportunities to get to get hired or signed. But it goes back to the same thing with you know, like Dwayne Johnson talked about having three dollars in his pocket. Like people got into this business differently. Back then there was an opportunity where you could earn a living, but there it was never said the opportunity was going to be right at the jump. You had to go, And that's why people up until the past couple years they stopped using the term pay their dues. But when I was in Puerto Rico, there were guys, you know, you wrestle at night, but you were you were a waiter at the local club. Rex King bless his heart, was digging ditches with a jackhammer. He was working construction in Puerto Rico just to pay his bills so he could wrestle five nights a week. So I think when people hear about, well, you wrestle and you've been around the world and all this, Yes, when you get to that point, there's some good money to be made, but the the journey. And I think when people hear that, half the time you think, oh, he's just telling the story now because he's rich and famous and knowledge. That's that's how it went, Like you, it took me, you know, for me personally, it was thirty five hundred dollars to join Johnny Rod's school. And there were options of to you know, pay half up front, not like now where you can pay a little bit every month and then people skip out. But I had to. I borrowed. I used to anything before you use a big bar and stole thirty five hundred dollars and handed it to Johnny upfront. It took me over four years to pay thirty five hundred dollars back. Wow, that was including I was still bouncing. I was still picking up side jobs while I was while I was wrestling. So I think it's funny when people call themselves pro wrestlers. You're not a pro wrestler until that's what you do for a living, and that's how you make your living. You know, just because you do the triple Indy doesn't make your pro wrestler. So I think it's cool that John shares that, and it kind of opens people's eyes to, you know, to what it really takes. And as John so still so relevant in this stage of wrestling, people forget he's been around now for twenty plus years, you know. So the journey where he could have made money in bodybuilding, or he could have been an actor way back then, this is the journey he took. And you know, the funds weren't always there. Yeah, and even when you talk about sixty five thousand dollars, that's not enough to raise a family a lot of modern cities. So those people are still taking a bed on themselves by doing that in a lot of cases, right, And the majority of them are single, some are married. But if you think about it, sixty five thousand dollars, but you're not paying You're not paying for travel, you're not paying for hotels. You don't have the expenses that someone on the road does because you're paying for your own hotel and your car and your food. If you're lucky and you have a name, you're not paying for the gym. But you know, you realize at sixty five thousand dollars people want to go on the main roster. We'll add that sixty five twenty five is going to taxes. Now you're down to forty. Now you take out your rental car fees in your hotel, now you're down to fifteen. Now you take away when you want to eat a steak instead of eating boiled chicken. You know, you're down to eight thousand dollars a year, and you're going, why the am I doing this? But it's the journeyman, and that's you know, I think you and I've talked about it, and I know this is a long segue, but my biggest thing to people who complained about being in the developmental system at the time making forty five fifty five sixty five thousand dollars a year. My biggest thing is, hey, if you didn't have this job, would you come here and learn this trade if you weren't getting paid? They say, hell no. And that's to me, that's the that's the measuring stick of who's gonna make it and who's gonna stick it out and what your journey really is about. So hearing John's share, that's very cool, and I think a lot more people have those same story. Mark Henry strongest Man, he's an Olympic athlete. He could have done all these other things, but he struggled for five hundred dollars a week, even curt Angle, he passed up that big contract out of the Olympics. Then he had a circle back and take that. Yeah, and it's small wage. You you bet. You really have to bet on yourself and then realize that no one's on your side until you really start to show promise. So it's you really are betting on yourself. But I think it's a lot more doable now for these for these men and women, you know, it's and once they realized, wait a minute, I have a building gym sixty and that's the minimum sixty five. There's talent and developmental that are making six figures. Yeah, and never have to leave the state of Florida. Are you bitter about that like some old guard our bill. No, because here's why. I've been around enough men and women that superseded my career that I've I've had the opportunity to learn from. And when I got signed to WCW, and I say this, I've said this many times. I never got into be famous, or to become a superstar, or to be rich. I didn't understand that was part of wrestling. I got into because I was told I couldn't do it, and it was something I kind of fell in love with. But when they when I was brought down to making Georgia for my first time in WCW, they told me they were going to pay me eighty five thousand dollars a year to start. If I wasn't standing in a room with four the grown men, I probably would have broke down and cried or was running around my hands up in the air, because when I got home to tell to tell my grandfather that I just got offered eighty five thousand dollars a year when it took him twenty years to make that kind of money. How can you be mad? So I think it's the evolution of it, you know, And I think a lot of people have that perception of all some of you guys are just met because they make more. No, you have to earn that money. And even if it's even if it's given to you at the hope that you're going to pay it back, you still have to earn that money. So I'm I'm not bitter. I'm glad it goes that way. I I like that people have to learn that, you know. I think people should all have to learn that. Well. I had to bring it up because there are people out there that are bitter. Oh sure, sure, because they were big stars and the money that's now, the money that's commanded. That's really really what it comes down to. These men and women command that money and they got they have the stroke or the ability to get paid. So how can you be mad at I just go by who paid me and how they paid me, and as long as everybody lived up to our deal that we had, I can't be mad at what someone else does. Fair enough, Yeah, I mean that's that's well put, and it also shows how the business has developed and evolved. And knowing that, you know, I think people I'll use tough enough as the example. People go all a million dollars. Tough enough. That guy won a million dollars. No he didn't. He won the opportunity. Took her out a million dollars. It was two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year for four years. But you had to progress. You had to go now. Granted you wanted to the developmental system making two hundred and fifty thousand dollars or first year, but nothing was guaranteed. As we know. He you know that Daniel Peter didn't finish. He didn't make the million dollars. It's an opportunity. So you have an opportunity. WW contracts. There's a downside and you have to work for you know all these logistics, but you have an opportunity to do that. Why wouldn't you grab it? And now it's enticing more athletes outside of wrestling, and so everybody understands the opportunity and then you see who survives it when when they you know, when they have to you know, pony up and prove your worth. But the money's there. The money's there, if you want it, we'll put We'll go ahead and move on. Bill on this day in pro Wrestling History of Bill Goldberg defeats Halkogan on Nitro to become the champion July sixth, nineteen ninety eight. Are you feeling old yet? While I was feeling old before that question, but now I'm really really feeling old. That's pretty neat. So we've talked about this on the Bill Goldberg episode that we did, but it was a it was a really cool night for wrestling. Man. I don't think a lot of people expected it, including including people in the back behind the scenes. You know, they knew the trajectory. There's my big word for tonight that that Bill was on. But it's the Hulkster, man. So I think it would have been okay if Goldberg wasn't successful in beating him too, because it was the Hulkster. But the fact that the end product wasn't you know, it just it made sense business wise. Now. I know there's people have different opinions on that night or what should have or shouldn't have been done, and you know, it's it's always easier to look back at it after the fact, but at that time it was a good move and it was a big It was a big thing in wrestling industry. I remember it be you know, obviously as being a not even a teenager at that point in time. I remember staying at late and watching it that night, and it was a significant event, if you know. It was like, oh my gosh, like and that was credit to the good job of building up even though you have this impressive powerhouse in Bill Goldberg, he had to rise through the challenge and overcome with all the odds. So yeah, it was awesome, man. Yeah, And and look at her. So if we went back to look at how many people and what people, characters personalities actually had a win clean win over Oak Logan before that, that's when you look at and go, wow, very significant. He once he got going in nWo got going and WCW really was that second second cut mean, the all coging back at it full for us again, and those guys in that n W did not get beat very often. No, so when when when it happened, it was like wow, probably didn't happen enough, but that particular or night was significant and awesome. So let's move on Vince McMahon's mustache. He's trying to get us in trouble here at this point in time, I'm used to it. Okay us to know if you watched The Forbidden Door, the pay per view that Japan and AW got together to do. No, I didn't watch it. I don't want to say I wasn't interested. To me, the Forbidden Door, I don't think it has anything to do with a W. I I'm just you know, it's so I don't know that if it came out right or not. It's just I want to sell into I understand. I want to see the mirror. I want to see these guys that were brought in from the JAW storylines. I want to w versus ae W. What ae W does business wise is great, all these new Japan guys coming and they make this pay per view and it's a good one night of business. But it doesn't entice me to get further involved or further invested in any storylines or anything like that, because the next show has nothing to do with these guys. Again, I will there's the second part to the question of why he's asking it. But I will say one thing where we go on poor Brian Danielson's arm. I don't know if you've seen that spot I saw I jumped on and Vince, Yeah, Vince McMahon's mustache. He goes on to say this and his question to you, if he didn't see it, how does he how did he feel about will Osbrey stabbing Kenny Omegan in the head with the screwdriver, then dropping him on his head, almost killing him in a six star Dave Meltzer rated match. So much like a lot of things, you can go back and see highlights or you know, you see what people post and it's all over social media. I didn't even get I don't even get to the sixth star thing. I'm thinking I had I have a pass before wrestling, which was very physical. I had a unique job where I watched over certain people and protected them in certain ways. And screwdrivers like he was a lifeguard at Disney World. I was a lifeguard at Disney World. I made sure all the kedy pools always safe and everybody's paid attention. I'm lost on the screwgdriver thing. I'm lost on all these dropping on the head things, and to see the clip of him getting dropped on his head to that was kind of scary. Christmas Man, I have a bone later on in this episode, I'm gonna throw it out there, but it takes it takes it all away from me. And this is coming from a guy who at the time was more hardcore. I've had my big baseball Bob Wire matches, I've been lit on fire, I've had the tax went through glass, all these things. I'm not saying a scar on your head, the scars and the the funny walk at times and all these things. But I'm just saying those pay per views are awesome, but they're one and ounce and then then I have to go watch Kenny Omega have a great match with someone else and people people will crap on it or say something, well, it wasn't the New Japan, so we know the Forbidden Door comes once a year or whatever it is. So I'm out on it because I know I can see the highlights. I'm pretty sure it's not going to carry over to the next TV or anything like that. So it's yeah, I'm just not invested in it. It has nothing against the work. It just I feel like that's anything I could turn on any time and watch it if I wanted to. I want to be hooked. I want to be invested in the in the personalities, the characters, the athlete. You know. Yeah, so somebody else did ask, and I know you haven't. I'm gonna assume you haven't watched Dave Meltzer's interview with Chris van Vleet. I'm a huge Chris van Vleet had him on the podcast before. He's a great guy. Chris van Vleet was had Dave Meltzer on and he was really trying to dig in and figure out how he comes about these ratings, asking his specific questions, one of which was, how is the Undertaker and Shawn Michaels matches not five stars? Right? And one of Dave Meltzer's answers were he felt they were very predictable. They were, they were thrilling, good matches, but they're very predictable, and that's one of the reasons they couldn't get the five star mark here. So this match will Osprey Kenny Omega, they're just throwing a lot of stuff out pretty fast. Maybe it's the lack of predictability that Uncle Dave likes. So you're so let's um, let's try to clear this up for Vince's mustache. We know now that when we see John Moxley, we will see blood on a regular basis. So does that mean that Uncle Dave will no longer rate Moxley's matches accordingly? Because now he's predictable? And how does someone and this is where I know a lot of people jump on meltzer for this. How does someone who's never been in the ring, never done this three hundred days a year, sit there and call it predictable? But yet it's making a living out of that man's predictability. And how do you take away from it? Hule Hogan is predictable? Right or wrong? Oh? Yeah, Hogan must pose, Dwayne Johnson predictable, John Cena predictable, all these superstars that have given Sean Michaels the Bowl, Rick Flair predictable, Triple H predictable, Road Doug and Billy Gunn predictable, Eddie Guerrero predictable, Ray Mysterial predictable, tris Stratus predictable, Leta predictable? How are we What's so? If I understand it right? He said, Well, he's got a bunch of different things he goes for. It's a character development, all these other things. But when did he become the end all du all on what's a five star match? And why are we I think it jades the It stops people from being a fan because now they're jaded. And if they followed Dave or listening to his stoff for his podcast or read his stuff, they go, ah, so predictable, Chris Jericho predictable, Kenny Omega predictable, MJF predictable. But these guys are turning out unbelievable performances. I don't. I will never understand how the ratings go. I will never understand why. Here's here's why we keep talking about it, because we keep talking about it the guys. The guy has solidified himself, cemented his feet into something that he will make people talk about forever. But if you listen to his explanations, it's a bunch of gibber drop the it was a six star match, will Osprey and Kenny Omega. Fleet also asked how the Hulkogan and Rock match could be only be three stars, and he put Dave on the spot and said, would you would you at least agree right now that it was probably a four star match and Dave in his own way, I did agree that's an iconic match. But you said, in his own way he did agree. He didn't come out and say yes, it's a it's a. He just said, you know he did. He give one of well, I can see where you're coming from, so yeah, I guess it would be yeah, he said. Then he said um, and you know. And but it was actually pretty for me to hear, not only because I like Chris Vanfleet, but he asked a lot of the questions that It's one of our first episodes where we covered the amount of different like Japan has eighty two fives, like Chris VanVleet laid all that out for him to get a response from him. So for me it was kind of cool. Hairing and fumble fumble through that. Yeah, I think, you know because, in lack of a better term, he's I guess he wasn't calling him out on it, but he was just trying to hold his feet to the fire and explain what was going. Now, I haven't I follow some of Chris's stuff. I really got to start listening to it more because I do like the stuff that he does. I like his interviews and the things like that. But I'm gonna have to go find that and watch the whole thing. I'm just a you know me, that's a that's a that's a that's a trigger for me. That that. I think that's why Vince mcmahn's is a mustache. And yeah, he knows how to hit my buttons. Now, thank you Vince mcband's mustache. He's trying to get your blood pressure going. He's working. I've got to go find something. Bill, did you watch Money in the Bank. I want to say I listened to most of it. I was um My son was watching while I was driving to New Jersey, so I listened, and I'm I'm a big fan of listening to it gives me the same picture. You know that I don't see the physicality. Oh so the commentating has to be really important huh yes, yeah, and and hats off to them. I thought it was. I thought it was great. Yeah. So Bob Orton's cast is asking you how you feel about the Damian Priest winning and then the l A Knight. I guess not winning. LA Night had a lot of support behind him. Well, this crowd was a great crowd. Anyways, is always in nigt of the UK. But I'm a big Damian Priests fan as well. I think the right guy won and he and here's and here's why. I'll get to wide in a minute. La Knight for the past month or so has gotten a lot of steam. One dude to his ability to speak on the microphone. Yep, the crowd this day and age, the crowd loves to be involved. So he gives the point. They go l A Night, right, So now we have crowd involvement. But other than the than everybody really pushing for this. And when I say everybody, I'm talking about all the podcasts, all the you know, um my boys that busted open push where they'd want to see La Night and everybody can give you reasons why he should be the next guy. To me, it's it's smelled of there's so much build up. There's no way they can give it. There's no like everything in my life is wrestling rules apply, And there was so much build up, so much of a push, so much of a the internet buzz and social media going La Knights the next thing, and he's gonna win money in the bank and he's gonna be they and then all of a sudden they got it taken away from them, so we're not even celebrating Damian Priest. People want to know why La Knights not getting the rough that they think he should get her or he thinks he should get Now. He's been very vocal on social media the past month, right, he's doing a lot more interviews and things like that, and so he's out there's names out there. But I want to say it was I could be wrong. I think it was bubba Um Bully Ray and he put it to you like this. Do you see La Knight beating Roman rings? No? I mean I always always say one person beating Roman rain Zebbie could you rhads one day? But do you think and then, and while I think l A. Knight and Seth Rollins could have some good matches, do you see La Knight beating Seth Rollins and carrying it the way Seth Rollins carriage? What do you mean by carrying it the way? Well, Seth Seth can I think Seth can go and yeah, let me explain. Seth Seth can can get in the ring with any person on the on the roster, Seth starring any style, any body, size, any body type, any personality. Ken l A Knight, And I'm not saying he can't. I'm this is the question I'm posing. Now you put Damian Priest. Could you see a Damian Priest giving Roman Reins a run for his money? I think so, depending on how it's done. Can you see Damian Priest beating Seth Rollins? I think so old school mentality. Who looks like a heavyweight champion side by side Damian Priest La Knight. I see your point, I do. If you take away the microphone, who has more steam to them? Okay, yeah, no, fair point. So, and this is not a dig on La Knight. I just thought it was so to me, was so clearly visible that there was so much pushed for La Knight. There was no way he was winning money in the bank. Yeah. Well, I mean it's also important to note he doesn't have to win money in the bank. Yes, he's one of those guys he doesn't need it. He doesn't need it, But he also doesn't need to win the title center or later. So yeah, because the problem is when you win it, you have to live up to a different standard. It's a yet different standard and people, while the same people would be happy for him that he became a champion, would be the same people crapping on him when he wasn't doing what they want their champion to do. What's fast forward to the women's match? So who built? You? And I since we started this podcast talked about damage control, Eo Sky and to see the results of the women's money in the Bank match. I thought it was pretty neat. It wasn't my betting favorite. I guess put it put it that away. I didn't think she was gonna win it. I was a little surprised. And then I have a Twitter pal named Joey Vermano. He is predicting. He's a he's a wrestling insider predicting the Yeo Sky will lose when cashing in. There's a lot of and he's not the only one. I don't. I don't know about that. I think I think Eo Sky, well, I love the fact that she won, here's your next biggest women's baby face. And I think he goes back to the he's done great, what she's done in the pay per views and stuff, and they outing she's had it's her time, And I think that's that's the other reason that you and I always talk about damage controls a whole not being solidified anymore. Eo Sky, this is the breakout moment. I firmly believe she could go up against Rhea and lose and not lose any momentum. I think Eo Sky could beat Oscar because then they have their and by they mean the WWE. Now we still have our international flavor, We still have one of the top Japanese women in the world. And there's more, don't I don't know if the right word is likability to Eo Oscars perceived a certain way in the WWE. I think it's I think it's a waste of talent. I'm a big Oscar fan, but I can see Eo becoming champion, or I can see her not being a champion but gaining more ground, just cashing it in, because I think the people are behind her now. The people want to see her. Puerto Rico is what I was thinking of when they did. Oh yeah, that was the great the greatest thing she ever could have done. And I think she big things are coming for EO. And I could see her as a champion, and I could see her cashing in and losing and not taking her off track at all. Do you think this is the missing piece. Do you think it'll go out of direction? I guess is what I'm gonna ask. Could be the missing piece to this damage Control storyline and the eventual end of it or of it evolving to something else because the way it played out, right, So those listened to don't if you haven't watched it, she handcuffed her teammate to another competitor so she could win. I know in the media scram she said, Oh, this is a win for the faction damage Control. But is this is this actually going to be a storyline? You think? I say this respectfully, I hope not. I hope they just let's let's finish it. But here's my biggest fear. But it could finish of it was good. I think it should be the finish of it. My fear is they're gonna wait to Dakota Kai gets healthy and then we're gonna see EO and Dakota go at it. And I don't think there's any money in that either. I think it's time for EO to to separate and to to move on with her. Is there money there's Billy and EO. I don't think there's money in that because I feel like we'd see the same thing over and over right, there'd be a DQ, there'd be some kind of uh finish that just didn't There wasn't a one two three, or there was an aftermap, and that, to me, that just smells of keeping this damage control thing going um and you and I are not the minority in this damage control I haven't heard too many, haven't heard read or seeing too many things saying no, don't do it. Damage control is the hottest thing out there. Didn't make sense from the time that came in as SummerSlam, and it didn't make sense when they were Tag Champ. It didn't It didn't help anything. So I'd love to see EO move up in the standings and start doing her own thing. Great if you look at it from a business perspective, great build for her as it's come along, because and I think that's the idea of a faction, that someone should be the breakaway star. Nation of Domination DX go up and down. The lot is evolution. So I'm really excited to see what happens with EO. Takes nothing away from Bailey. Bailey doesn't need the other two. I'd like to see Bailey just go back to being Bailey just do her thing and Bailey a heel or bit Bailey a baby face. I like there is a heel. I want to see her go back to being Bailey the hugger. And with these it was a great it was a great start, It got her in the door, it made her name. I'd like Bailey as a heel and I just like to see her continue to do her thing. Yeah, I feel like Claudie, well, she was hurt first of all, so we we'll go back to that. She was got to see a whole lot of Bailey lately, and I honestly do like Bailey as ale. I'm I'm with you, some people aren't, I certainly am. So I'm hoping this is also a time where we can see bait. But I guess there's only so much time on television. I mean, honestly, yeah, that's that's that's really the case. I mean, two shows, one show, four shows. There's only so much time. And right now, the women are in a tough spot because everybody wants that time. But I think, and here's where we're all get in trouble. But only certain ones are answering the call, you know, So they don't need to have four women's matches. They don't need to have twelve women on the show every night. I think it's going to start that separation again. Who is in this Who is it being used on a regular basis? Oh right? So Bill, a new listener of the podcast in the last couple of weeks, could find him on Twitter. It's Aiden. His handle is at Wressell Hyper sixty six. He wanted to ask you a questions, he says, this is I'll just read it. I started watching wrestling in the late nineties but got into a big time. I watched the old Build a Mop matches. Could you ask Bill entering memories and thoughts on wrestling, the awesome land Storm and the Steiners. Also, please pass on my respect for his road safety advocacy. Always welcome and oh okay, he's from He's from Ireland, so he's saying you're always welcome in Ireland. Bill. Oh nice, Aiden, Thank you, buddy. Do I have any recollection of my Lance Storm matches? Well worked? Okay, So we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves because we are going to start talking the US title picture. Okay, I'm gonna save that part of the question. I'm gonna save that part of the question because, as I've said before, I man WCW was falling apart, but I liked when the title was on Lance Storm, it was on you. But he does have a great second part we will get intoday, and the second part is about Steiner's man. I loved it. I thought it was great because they have that mentality. But as a young as a and and they're not much older than me, but they were in the business before me, watching them and their Japan stuff and the things they were doing for big men now and the going back to the Varsity Club with Rick Steiner. I mean, it was just these were the guys that you you emulated or you know, you like, wow, this the big guys that can move their background and being all Americans and this and that, but to know them funnies all get out behind the scenes, great guys like if you how do I say this so people listening don't think it's wrong. If you were there for the right reasons, they would drop the knowledge on you. Without dropping the knowledge on you, you know what I mean. They would work with you, they would do things, They would give you opportunities to do your stuff. If it made sense. But it was clear to me that when I got there, they were they were the leaders when I was in the ring, and even though they gave me so much, you know, there was so much given taking it. Working with Rick Steiner was amazing. It was hysterical when you get to the point, you know, certain points with Rick where we work in live events and we'd be going out so hard the first ten minutes and you go, okay, you know, somebody just take over. I'm going no, not yet, and I'd make him keep covering me or picking me up and slamming me and having a ball because you built that relationship. But the reactions they got everywhere they went. And then for me getting to work with Scottie and Singles as we did the US title stuff, and you know, those opportunities the starters were great and I you know, worked when tagged when Knobs was my partner or Betteredo Barb and Jerry Flynn and those guys we have to work with. The stiters always easy, really snug, which I liked. I was groomed that way when I came in. Um but tremendous respect for them and they were to me, they were a lot of fun to deal with. We can also talk about Lance Storm. I don't maybe one day we'll go into further detail about him and we'll talk about the US titles situation. But underrated guy man underrated And here's why in my opinion, because he's dry as toast. But that's lant Storm. He made it worst Everest. He's he's like that as as a as a as a man. He's like that. Now, don't get me wrong. He's like people don't know how funny he is. His humor is ridiculous. He's funny. He's so intelligent, so nodgable, he's well rounded, all these things. He's a Greek family man, all these things that Lance is. But he was he had that thing that worked. But the thing that worked for him I feel like was the thing that kept him from being a bigger star. I don't know if Lance feels that way. Just for me being a fan of Lance and then working with it and being a friend of his, I felt like that was the thing that a lot of people looked at and go, ah, you know, can he do that? But money? All day long? He's in my top ten best of all darn so talented, man so talent. Technically obviously he's he's doing his part to give back now as far as training goes, but man just technically sort of sounded. It's so cool to know, I guess to see this question for made and realize that people acknowledge that, yeah, Storm, because I've always thought and this actually the next questionable segue into but he's extremely underrated. So for me to see that question made my day. And internationally, like lanch was over in the States anyway, h ECW Smoky Mountain, he did you know, he did his think WCW's hot and WWE he got over. But internationally, Lance was one of those guys that people knew him, knew about him, and he drew a crowd. He drew a crowd buzz on Twitter. As a questionable segue into here, who do you think and he doesn't give specifics, but who do you think is one? Who would you say is one of some of the most underrated wrestlers That kind of segues we just talked about one Lance, The Lance would be one, um Kidman would be one. I'm trying to think because it's like I think, you know, it sounds like I say, I think Steve Austen's an underrated wrestler. He's a great character. It's an open question where he interpreted a lot of different ways. You can, you can, you can think about it a lot of different ways. Like I'm always a big fan of saying people say Ogan does two or three things, but go watch Ogan's matches in Japan. Great work. So I don't know what underrated. I think people use underrated as they didn't get there. Just do they think people should have been bigger or over more or pushed harder. So I don't know about that. I think it leads was a great segue because Lance is underrated as a as a wrestler, performer character. Um, I thought Molly Holly was underrated. I know she had a couple of different a couple of different variations in their character and all those things. They always said, they always found something for her to do, But I thought she was very underrated. Yeah, that's a that's a I think that's a like a really, like you said, an open end question depending on how you interpret the term underrated. But it's a great segue into Lance. I'm sure as I sit and think about it now, even after we're done this episode. I'll be going, oh, I knew, what about this one? And what about this one? Like Rakishi's to me, Rakishi's an underrated wrestler. He became a I don't mean this, he was a gimmick. He became this character. Scott Taylor h Scotty two Addie became that character underrated wrestler. Remember that storyline when Rakishi and the car and the rock made made no sense? Oh? Sorry, randomly made me think of that Hurricane Helms. Shane Helms, underrated wrestler. I've got a few, and I'll get your comments on it. Go ahead. He didn't ask them, they didn't ask me, but I'll throw him my two cents. In Paul London and Austin Aires, I'm gonna say, yeah, I'm gonna say I agree with that. Paul London, some people seem to add different opinions on him. I think he was probably very underrated. And Austin Air is obviously a friend of mine. I don't think unless you watch TNA has a great run in the TNA, I don't think you'd probably know how talented and just overall how round well rounded he is in the wrestling. Yeah, and so I think if you look at Austin stuff in TNA, he's not underrated. I think he was used the right way at a great body of work. Saying with Paul London, but I think people thought of because of the athletic ability, the things they could do, they felt they were not at the level, you know what I mean. So I think it's it's a it's a sticky question. But those I agree with both of those. There's there's I think there's an argument for all of them. Yeah, I had thought out there obviously. I know Austin and uh. I love hearing Paul London what he's on Renee de Friese podcasts, these great stories. Now I haven't seen I haven't heard a Renee priest, but I already's no no holds barred. He goes after everybody. He's pretty yeah, but he's pretty chill and laid back to Okay. But Paul London, I don't think unless you if I do, not know how entertained it he is unless you really watch that. I mean, guys smart, he's funny. I enjoyed his work in the ring, but it's been cool for me to hear his opinion on other things. But I feel like Paul was one of those one of those young guys at the time. Right in wrestling, perception is reality. So people perceived him as this person or this certain kind of and I'll say it because he was a kid, this kid who could do some stuff. But you know, is he the guy? You know? Is he gonna be? And that was the thing back then, do you see this guy's being the guy? Can he be the that I'll tell you what, Zach Ryder underrated wrestler perception. It's people's perception and then the fans get to see the perception of those individuals. It's all it is all perception and being the guy. You know, Austin areas and I talk about this a lot on his podcast, being the guy? What does that really mean? How significant is being the guy? Is holding the title and the bigger picture as far as how you should gauge yourself even on what you've accomplished, right, And you know that's something that he took him a little while to overcome, Austin, to mentally overcome. You know, looking back at it ten fifteen years later, he's able to see now like, um, maybe that wasn't what was always important, right, But that's not the fight at the time. The fight is your your your talents being questioned, your heart, your your ability to to to be the guy, because it's it's asses and seats, right, is this the guy or this is the Girl's gonna put assis in seats? So when we're young and have everything going force and we know we're capable of and people say we can't, we look at it different and it's, you know, it's a very personal it's we, you know, speaking for myself, like people take it as a personal attack on your abilities or what you can accomplish, and you start to believe in that and fall into that thing, and that's where that grizzled, grizzled young veteran mentality comes from. But it's the perception of who you are and what they think of you at the time, and a lot of times it just carries over the whole career of that person because they let it, right, they it's been beat into their head. Oh yeah, yeah, but one hundred percent. It's it's the expectations that really aren't that important yet you can't tell it of somebody in the middle of it. And it's that way with every career, right, not just real wrestling. Okay, So Phil Sanchez on Twitter wants to know what do you think makes a good heal? What qualities make a good heal? When it's so natural they're not even trying, like you know, when someone's trying to be mean or trying to be or it puts that look on their face that doesn't belong on there when something's not natural, when when someone's trying to convince you that they're bad, someone's trying to convince you there they can cut corners, or they can cheat when I have to, when you have to tell someone all the time that you're capable of doing something, I'm I think the best heels are the ones who don't have to say it and make them bring the people to that side of going, what a dirty bastard or you know this this guy or this girl's really but people hear that word heel and they think instantly bad guy. But if you're not the bad guy, you're not a heel, You're you're what was the thing? I'm a guy. I'm a dude playing a dude who's playing the dude. I just say I'm a guy sitting behind a desk that reports to the guys sitting behind a bigger desk. I think it's I think it's that natural. You can tell when someone's naturally got that thing about them. And it doesn't mean they're screaming, doesn't mean they're threat people. Just what a heel. There's different kinds of heels too, right, for different situations talk made event matches that might be different from a heel on a lower card comedic segment, right. And I think there's different versions of a heel that people are able to do. And I think, most importantly, and I have it hanging up on my wall, you can't see it, but don't overcomplicate what is not complicated. And I think we often see that in wrestling, where we've tried to make it. And I just had this conversation right before I got on this recording. I was in a Twitter space with an independent wrestler, a friend of mine and Kayosh. We were talking about how it's we've almost made it a science. It's really an art form that's open for interpretation, but we've tried to make a science. This is what's good wrestling, this is what's a bad wrestling, etc. Yeah, you're you're absolutely right. Here's here's to me the quintessential heel that generally, for the most part, never punched his weight of a paperback. The Million Dollar Men to one of the best heels ever. But was he was he physically imposing every night? No could he be? Yes, because his career is unbelievable. You've seen his work or you know as Ted Dibias. But the million Dollar Man tremendous heel. He was a bully one night, he was the agitator, one night he was this guy. But it was natural. He's everything that And I think that's what makes people mad. The thing that pisses you off is the thing that you know, is it right? Like you know he shouldn't be ang like that, and he had that thing, but if he tried to force that, people see through it. You know it's not to me. It's that believe like you have to you have to know a complete tool to understand if this guy's a tool or not. You know what I mean. You have to know a bully to know if this guy's a real bully. You have to know an angry neighbor to know if that guy's really angry. I thought JBL is such a cool heel in the sense of you had this big, imposing, tough guy legitimately and he transforms, excuse me, he transforms into this chicken shit heel and obviously is a huge part of and I probably said this a million times and it doesn't get said enough mainstream. He's a significant part in the development of John Cena. Yes, and he would just able to transform from this big, tough red nick which he is a big tough guy and his chicken shit heel with a faction and he and he did it, and he did it so well. So yeah, that's to my point. There's different kinds of heels for sure. Yeah, And to John's the burbed example, because it came naturally. Eddie Guerrero was a great heel. He was a great baby face, but he's a great heal because Eddie was a he was an angry some bitch sometimes and he came across. He didn't have to. I don't have to get in the corner and punch myself in a face to eat myself angry. I'm blessed with a face that if I look at you, people both, oh what's he mad about? Not Matt, It's just that's the fate, you know. Is it's that natural thing that makes a great heal. In my opinion, it's not the moves. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. When you say it, how you do you know what I mean? It's just that upperance. You know that that person's a no good dirty dog. Gareth snuck in a two parter here Gareth on Twitter. Two things were brought up on the wind Loss section recently. In w B. One it was brought to Lighter in your Money in the Bank that Gunther has not lost a match since he's been on the main card, and second Roman Rains lost his first. Roman Rains was hanned for the first time in several years at Money in the Bank. Yes, I want to know your thoughts on that. The Gunther thing makes. It makes sense because of his character. But then so here's here's the question I throw back to our friend is why isn't gunther streak being talked about more? That's like a rhetorical question. I think it's I think it's valid. I think for them to talk about it is great. But Gunther doesn't need that kind of publicity anymore. In my opinion, we don't need to know that he hasn't been bad because his body of work is just incredible. So I've talked about this with a W. The win loss record thing is cool, but if you're going to drive those kind of things home, it really has to go in with storyline, right, and it has to be significant right often or not a W. It's a great concept, just throws the record up there on the screen when they're coming down to the ring, and it's like, oh, okay, doesn't necessarily paint the picture of what's going on in that specific match, that storyline, etc. So I do think that's great to be mentioned, but to your point, it's just not always necessary. Yeah, and and too Roman very necessary four years since twenty nineteen, Baron Corbin, right was the last guy to beat Roman reigns by pinfall, not d not count out pinfall. So to say that I think is significant and because they've done such to your point, you just said it, because they've done such a great point of keeping tally of over a thousand days, all the things like statistics work for Roman because it fits with his body of work. To that then when they say this is the first what was the most significant part about that match? Forget? It was a great match forget It keeps the storyline going for another four years in my opinion. But the biggest thing taken out of it that they can always go back to is this is the first time in four years that he has been pinned in the middle of the ring, and now it just solidifies Juso. I mean, we could talk about that other it just solidifies Jusso as a main of better. So. I enjoyed the match. It was a little long. I'm not sure they needed thirty five minutes, but I enjoyed it and curious, I'm genuinely curious see what's gonna happen with storyline X, which I think is a whole wrestling is all about. Yeah, yeah, I know a lot of people if you, if you watched, and I know you listen to a lot of the podcasts and beat fans opinions. A lot of people were upset that he got pinned. A lot of people were upset that why wasn't the you know you hear the why arch your quarterback? Well, why wasn't the title on the line? We should have we should all these things. Take it for what it's worth. Like, the bottom line was he got beat the bloodline continues to the storylines. Unbelievable. It's about the bloodline. It's about the bloodline, and the person that beat him is in the bloodline. It wasn't. It wasn't Baron Corbyn for to give us statistic the same guy beat up four years ago, just beat up tonight. That doesn't mean anything. How do you think it's going to play out in the end as Jays gonna be the top guy? I just love like when wrestling can make you think, yep, when they can. So now my mind goes to, you know, Jimmy and Jay doing that thing. You got our vote? Looking at Solo now that all the focuses on now Jade beat Roman, that Roman's gonna be out. Who knows what's coming next? I would now in my mind, and I got goosebumps. You can't see it. For those who can't see it, I got goosebumps. Those wrestling excites me. I see the USO's being the brains behind this whole thing when it comes to when it comes to fruition and this thing comes to a close. Now they're telling the next guy. They didn't say no Jay, you beat no Jimmy, You're gonna be the head of the table. They both looked at their younger brother less experience, at least because they think they can manipulate him, just like they got Roman to that spot. That's where my mind goes. So to answer your question, I'm excited. I hope this thing goes for I really mean for four more years. This this can carry on as long as they wanted to, because whoever a genius is here, Paul Hayman, Roman, everybody together, Michael Hayes, Adam Pierce Hunter, whoever is in on this, please don't feel like you have to pay it off. You're they're they're paying it off in spades every week. So j Jay doesn't have to be. Jay will never be a bigger main eventor than he is now in my opinion, and that's I mean that in the most positive way ever. The USOS can't get any higher Hall of Famers, Hall of first Round, Hall of Famers, bar none. So we don't need to we don't need a payoff. Keep this thing like take keep taking me on the ride, because that's that's the thing that makes me tune in. I don't want to see it. I don't want to see clips on YouTube, but I don't want to see Instagram posts of showing thirty seconds of a matchup. I want to watch it every time it's on. I'll get back to Garrett's second part of the question when we wrap things up later. But there's more about money in the bank, Ronda Rowsy storyline, you and I. This is another thing we've been talking about. Big fans of Shanna Beisler, and it seems like, uh, Ronda Rowsi might not make it to WrestleMania. You know, maybe a SummerSlam will see Shanna Basiler go over Ronda Rolsi. Maybe Ronda Rowsi will in. This is just dirt sheet talk here, right, could be a rand of her current WW run right. My only thing is why did it take Shalong to get to this? There were so many opportunities to be shanea Ronda. But I understand you signed a four year deal. I understand all these things are guaranteed whether you're there, and I'm not saying I know, I don't have any insight dirt on it. I was happy and sad at the same time. I was happy to see that Ronda and Shena were not gonna be the tag team champions. I was happy to see that Shana steps out of that role. But I'm I'm I'm sad to think that it took so long when we should have got Ronda and Shana from the jump and they probably would have had this great run for the past two and a half years. And I'm sad to think that. I don't know if Shana has enough steam left in her because people are so used to seeing it being taken away every two weeks that people get behind it. But if this is the way for Ronda to go out and she's calling the shots, then she's gonna have a legitimate fighter taker out. I get it. I think this will be Ronda Rousey's biggest moment, patched past the torch per se in some regard and see as she can rub off and help. And I'm not saying Shambazier needs to help, but help here. Her next part of her career launched here. So do you think do you think Ronda stays around after this match or do you think she's done done? I don't know. Part of me has been Ronda roused out. Honestly, it's nothing personal. I thought, like I said weeks ago, I think for for years, the booking of Ronda Rousy was fantastic. When you make her a mid carter that needs to have wrestling matches, it's it's really shown. But I do think for her now, if she could help get her over, like I said again, not now that she needs it, but she could do her part here and help post Ronda Rousey air now without between the two of them, because you got to remember, Ronda Rousy was burying the tag team titles a few months ago, really building up this title reign that was ultimately nothing. No offense to anybody, no, but I do think that they hopefully I don't know, can in one match, can they do business and it benefits them both. So I'm gonna put you on the spot again. And this is where I really put you on the spot. I think, do you think in your opinion that Ronda becoming a part time I'm gonna with Ron. Let's say Ronda takes the same role as brock Lessner. Now Brock stays for months of the time that he's gone for months of the time. You know what I mean. But do you think Ronda has the same stroke where she can keep coming in and out like that and the people care. No. Well, first of all. I think she's already had a part time schedule, but we've just seen a lot more of her. But I still think it's been a very minimal schedule in comparison to what some of the other people are doing. But no, I don't think the flair's there. I'm hoping that they have good business here in the short amount of time and had to really repackage. And if you bring Ronda Rowsey in again, you have to really think about how you're going to do things because that mystique and that power and just like anybody else when you're coming in and the driving forces that you're so dominant. You see this with Bill Goldberg, you've seen it with a lot of other people. What's next after that? And that's that's very difficult. I think that's gonna be very difficult for them. In regards to RONDORROUSI just like it was Bill Goldberg. Well, Bill Goldberg is not just kicking everybody's ass every moment. Are these individuals going to be good enough like a brock Lesner who can still kick your ass, yeah and put you over? And my answers probably no. And it's that's not a knock. Bill Goldberg first of all Hall of Famer, but brock Lesser is a different kind of breed on being able to come in, be entertaining, look like a badass, and get people over and build them up. Yeah, and no, that's the that's that's what I love about what we do. There's never a knock, and I'm glad we keep clarifying it's never a knock gonna on the talent. But I agree, I don't know what you could do as as much as Ronda has done, I don't know what you could do to make people anticipate her coming back again. There's that there's not enough. There's not a big enough library for people to really like. Now, look at Charlotte's pretty much on that schedule. But Charlotte has that thing. Now, don't get me wrong, if we're in the UFC and she came back like that, she's gonna get you know that she's gonna be on going all the time. But that I agree with everything you said. It's um. I hope we get the Shane of Baser that we had in twenty seventeen for Crown Loud twenty eighteen when she when she first came up and then she just keeps going. But I think that's that's the thing for me as a fan. I don't know how much I want to get invested in Shane and yet until I see them do more with her. And that's the thing. A lot of people say, well, it's up to her. They no, it's not up to her. She's got to have the opportunity, she's got to be put in the positions. Then the stuff is up to her. But when you keep taking someone on and off, you get going. And listen, I made my whole career on and off. I'd get going really good because then you had to put over Nathan Jones, right, so I needed credibility for a couple of months too. Then for this guy to become a monster. I was Hugh Morris had great credibility. Bill Goldberg, right, there has to be a reason for it. And and Shane is in that thing. They build her. Okay, here's the thing. Now they'll build her a little bit too, and we won't see her and so it's one of those things that's that's part of wrestling. But I'd like to see her really kick it in. I just don't know how much i'd need to see her in Ronda, I'd like to pay off, probably earlier than you know, sooner than later. Ronda Rousey is a badass, let me just say that. But I'd love to see her be a badass instead of trying to be a wrestler. And it goes back to the heel thing. To me, Ronda's not a heel because she trying so hard to conbace you. She said in that Badass and she's playing that's it, She's playing a wrestler. It really speaks to how great brock Lesner is. But to his defense, I mean, I mean to her defense, excuse me, he's been doing it. He's been doing this. He understands this business. And for his ability to come in and deesame John Cena like it's absolutely nothing, then he can go on. He can lose the Roman reigns, he can lose to Cody Rhodes. It's partially booking, but a lot of it is just how damn good brock Lesner is at what he does. Yeah, and you have to remember Brock has come through the system. Yeah, so Brock gets it. Brock's wrestling IQ Business Sports Entertainment IQ is unbelievable because he's come through the system. He's been through every step on the ladder, every rung, Whereas Rhonda had an opportunity because she's the baddest woman plant. Okay, we're gonna put her right into the mid some wrestle meaning all this stuff. But it to her credit, she's done fantastic with what she's done. But is it enough in the wrestling world to make her more relevant and to keep her keep her going that way? Yeah? And for her coming in losing a couple of fights there at the end and still be in that believable badass Yeah, just shows you how big of a badass she is. But yeah, hats off to her. I will say one thing, my brothers are making me watch UFC on Saturdays. Man, I have a heart. I have a super hard time getting into watching UFC all day. I definitely missed the personalities, some of their personalities they had in it. But you so, here's my point, and I'll leave this because I'm I don't want it to ever. I don't want anybody think I'm not a rounda Rousey fan. I am a rounda Rousey fan, so much of a fan that I can't take her seriously. With the doctor spot things they draw on her face every week. She's got the cling on things, she's got the why she would never look into a UFC ring like that, And that's where they lose me. That's when I know people often forget what wrestling is about. Yes, people, and for the for the for the newer fans that saw Rhonda Rousey in the UFC oh Man, she made that. She came over and she did this, and now she comes out with all the stuff. Oh, she's playing a wrestler. If Logan Paul comes out next week dressed like one of the who the new fancy kids to the tag team? He cut out on my end, I couldn't hear who's the new tag team from NXT that just got called up? That? Oh pretty deadly. So if you saw Logan Paul come out in one of those outfits next week, you go, oh, my god, they got him. He's playing a wrestler now or or acting like a bush whacker. Yes, And then they go, oh no, now he's that guy. Now I'm not into that guy. That's why he's so over. People want Logan Paul they know and see. People want Ronda Rowsy that they know and seen and can google anywhere and see what she did and see and to me, that's it. She's playing a wrestle, not a knot on her. That's the direction she'd been given. It did good business, though, she was good business. And hats off to her because I'm saying right, I couldn't leave professional rustling walk into the UFC and did what she did. And there's been UFC people they tried to brought over and they just struggled to So she's an exception. She excelled Garrett's second heart of his question here when we wrapped things up, Bill, did you see the table spot with Sting on Dynamite? Is the youthfulness and video game style that aw Superstar seemed to like rubbing off on Sting? Oh? Man, I'm not laughing at the spot. I'm laughing at the question now, yo, because I want to say if anything was rubbed off, it was rubbed off when his when his face at the table, Um, yeah, you've been around Sting doesn't seem like the type of guy and me didn't want to go do that. Well, I know he's not the topic guy who can be convinced to do something he doesn't want to do. Fair Enough, I know he's not that guy, and I'm saying that because he's a straight up guy and if it's something he doesn't believe in or thinks that he would do, all he won't do it, and he'll he'll justify it and be respectful about it and won't do it. When I saw him he does have a point here, then he yeah, he could have a point, but I don't know if the point is because I haven't been around. So again, this is not insider. I'm not talking to Steve Borden on a weekly basis. But there was so much and the first thing he came to my mind. There was so much conversation of well Sting didn't do that well on WWE because he couldn't keep up with the pace and then he got hurt with Seth and maybe it's just passing, you know, this is what people were saying and writing. So now here's things opportunity because his body working in he W has been fantastic. But when I saw him go up to that ladder, I thought to myself for a minute, there's no way that he's going I thought either they could have gotten off the table, and he saw him get off and he didn't jump. I knew when he jumped. I said to my wife as he jumped, he's not making it. Visually it appeared like it wouldn't be possible for him to make it. There's no way, there's no way Sting was making that jump. So people go, why it's sixty two years old? Why this part of his career? On on the station, Jared has a great question conversation. Is he falling into that? And if he is, cool, that's his decision, but it opens the door for everybody now to take box shots at him. So where Sting was the darling of a w last week, this week he's the fall guy. You know. So to me, working in the corporate we started to cut you off. Go ahead, noh, you're good working in the corporate world. You had people that report to you, and part of your success as a leader is putting them in a position to succeed. Now, Stings, Booking and aw thus far has been odd in the sense that he constantly finds himself in these scenarios, not always in this exact same scenario. Do I need to jump off the damn ladder? But he's hanging out with Darby Allen, He's involved with these kind of matches, these kind of characters, and it was just a matter of time before he was going to try something, and you know, like you to your point, there's no way he was against doing it. But he has put in a weird situation where at some points in times it's hard for just because of the people he's booked with, just to come out with his baseball bat and take a few bobs like he should be. Whereas you know, you're in this chaotic match that he's in, which in any organization would be odd, right, it would be like having a Sergeant Slaughter. And I'm not saying there, oh yeah, I'm just saying it would be like putting Sergeant Slaughter in a high flying match and they put him in a position where, Okay, well, I guess I'm going to climb up the sladder. So I do think a lot of it is just how you're booking and how you're using that till you gotta put him in scenario as the positions to where they're going to succeed in it's going to be better for the business. And I feel like Sting's just been kind of he I like him and Darby Allen together, but it's also kind of an odd spot to put Sting in. Yeah, it's I think if you go again, right, everything's perception if you watch it. I think the initial pairing of Stinging Darby was that dark, the face paid, you know, the personalities, Sting's gonna be his mentor. Then they became best friends. Then then they were tagging, then they were doing these things. And I agree with you there should be a point where you're putting positions not equivalent to what he did. But at the same time, how do you tell a living legend in my opinion, No, definitely, we don't want you to do that. But if he if he believes in it and he thinks it's listen, were you gonna tell Terry Funk he couldn't do it? And Terry probably wouldn't have land worse than that. You weren't gonna tell Terry Funk. No, that's a great counter that's a great thing. That's a great point, Bill. So you're not gonna tell Sting no, especially if he believes in what he's doing. How do you tell a man that he can't do what he believes in And I's never done that. Yeah, well, I agree with that part of it, for sure, But then you know, so business wise, you're gonna be like Bill being a linger a match, You being a linger a match. Yeah, and everyone knows that's no no, um, yeah, you just you just don't do that. But to the other the other side of it is, he's a grown man. I think you you have to hope for the best of that. My biggest thing was, she's Christmas. I don't care what you did when he landed. When he came off the thing, I was already cringing before the landing. The problem is if if think when it did that in nineteen eighty seven, nineteen ninety, nineteen ninety three, no one would have said a word. They'd have been holy crap, did you see that? Yeah? Yeah, let's talk more about the whole pay per view and all these other things. Now with social media and everybody getting to be an expert, now they get to trash the guy. Some are trashing him for doing it, some are trashing the company for put him in that spot. Some people don't you know. And while Garrett has a great this was a great conversation, what's he supposed to think? Right, Because that's what you see. You see the whirling dervish and the flipsy doodle and all these things and oh my gosh, now we're seeing Sting do it. It's kind of an aw saying though, man and I work. I guess it's just like sometimes it feels like we we I'm saying we, I say we as a fan, like the expectations, it almost seems like professional wrestlers, like did they need to have that spot? You gotta have that spat And to me, it's not really about the spot, but I can see where he can get caught up in it easily. That was I know, it was the big talk. My whole thing was all I don't want to hear or get a text message or someone called me or a seat on the internet that he was hurt hurt. That was my biggest concern. I wasn't going, what the hells are you thinking? At sixty time, I'm going, damn man that when he went to go, my heart's going jump you sucker, yeah yeah yeah. But when he dumped, like oh man, oh mann, he went further than I thought he would. That's really horrible. Hey, that was like set up from as soon as I saw it, laying like happening. I was like, oh shit, he can't make that. And your point almost like he's not gonna try it because it's not possible. But right, he went further than I thought. And because Sammy was on the furthest table, so going there's no way he's clearing one of those tables. I'm glad he's okay though here. Yes, and but if Logan Paul did that, which he's done, think about what he did with them is Logan Paul did it and missed it? People were all over it. He's not a wrestler, he's not, but we're talking about the icon stint at this stage of his career. Why did he do that? Why did they let him do that? Why? Why why instead of going holy as a as a former? Yeah, I'm thinking myself. Good for you, dude if you agree, because if you know him, he agreed to do it. He wasn't just told he's like, oh crap, it's not like a psycho sid thing where he jumped and snapped his leg st sting. Okayed this and went with it. It was probably his idea. Good for you, man, don't but it's just stinks that the internet and social media takes over after. I don't know, I'm just glad he's okay. I guess I could say, And I do think that Logan Paul had a scary moment enough with Ricochet at Money in the Bank. You know it's weird though, And I'll get your opinion on this where we sum it up. I just had been so impressed with what Logan Paul's physically capable of doing. He definitely you can tell he's a fan and all that, but it is a little and some people would take offense to the fact that he goes on his podcast and I guess quote you can't see Me, exposes the business, talks about the botch, etc. So I think a lot of people are just all over the place with Logan Paul. But I think, man, he's got you talking about wrestling. He's doing a great job, and the potential is unbelievable. I firmly believe he didn't get seriously hurt. He be sore, But the reason he because he's just loose. You see it, he just moves. Now, if he was trying to take it and prepare himself for it, he'd probably really get messed up. Hats off to Hats off to Rick Crouchets won't. But yeah, Logan Paul is one of those guys that like he gets it and then that's it. Go. Let's go back to Ronda for a minute. Was she a fan? I know she liked Roddy Piper? Was she a fan the way Logan Paul's a fan or bad bunny? Right? Yeah? Another guy that just kills it, even that Stephen aim Will, I mean, yeah from the arrow from the show, heels that guys. It's amazing to me how they're able to do that. So I've got nothing but respect. Man, What a great conversation though, as you drank out of your water jar My Mason, Yeah, my Mason jar giant Mason Jar, Bill, another awesome conversation. Man. Of course next week we'll get back on topic. We just had a lot of catching up to do today. The fans of the newsletter were almost one hundred percent behind the aw need your fan pay per view we'll see tomorrow when the which you won't be seeing because you don't care, But I will read Dave Meltzer's review of Money in the Bank. It will see how the listeners rate it. But all in all, it was another pay per view I enjoyed. I still don't think it's not to be easy to live up to how the years started. Hopefully SummerSlam Big one. Yeah, I agree, and I know no matter what happens, you're gonna be sending me those ratings be a text message and you're gonna get my blood pressure up. But all jokes aside, I do recommend that you go Bill and listen to that Chris van Vleet episode. Yeah, I can send you the leak. It's interesting because it's like I said earlier, and I'll plug Chris VanVleet all day, but ask the questions to Dave Meltzer that some of us don't have the chance to because we're blocked on Twitter, right or we're not higher up on the latter where he can discuss those kind of things with us. So, oh, that'll be my recommendation to the week of people listening. Also, go to buildamot dot com. Check out all the past episodes there, check out the foundation work going on. Grab yourself a T shirt. All the proceeds go to the foundation, which is for a great cause. And Bill, you're doing great work. You in the family, Thank you brother, doing the work, the dirty work that's uh uh. You're not gonna get a lot of fan and glory from what you're doing, Bill, but if things fall in line, it makes a hell of a difference. And if people get on board and get behind a good cause, thank you man. I appreciate that a lot. Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't make you very popular, but um, we start some good conversations and we are we are saving lives, So I appreciate that, and just appreciate everybody's signed on to our website and tuning in. The questions are getting better, the the the audience is growing, and I'm just so grateful for the opportunity. And Jeff is always your hardest working man and podcasting and I'm just on to do this each and every week. I'm glad we're back this week. I look forward to talking about Lance Storm and the US type. Yeah, we're almost there. We're almost to the build thema era. We're really damn close to that time period also the end of WCW. But nevertheless, we will get there next week. If you have any questions, you can go to Buildama dot com like I just said, or build him on pod at gmail dot com. I'm on social media podcast father and he's build him on everything. Bill, you need to get onto the new Instagram threads. Man, they made a combat to Twitter, Instagram threads its instagrams to take it Twitter. I'm gonna have to ask my daughter to show man to do that. Yeah, because you're not gonna be able to do Yeah. No, I'm on Hey, listen, I'm on the Graham. I just don't know what it is. Sometimes you have you will check out Bill on social media and he is like I describe it like my father trying to work the phone, recording videos. Phone so very close to your face. Yeah, accountability. You could see every individual hair on your chin. Oh my god. And I can only imagine you're trying to actually send the post out. It's probably a challenge. But we still love you. Bill. I'll put a book in on this one. Thanks everybody for listening. 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