The Disappearance of Kevin Verville Jr.: Help Us Find Kevin

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[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_03] I'm Anya and today we're going to be talking to Angeline Hartman, the Director of Communications for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. She and NCMIC want your help solving an infant abduction case.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_00] Kevin Verville Jr. has been missing for nearly 46 years. Born on June 14, 1980, he was snatched from his family on July 1, 1980, when he was only 17 days old. A tiny baby, gone in an instant.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_03] The abductor was a Caucasian woman who looked like she was in her 20s. She appeared to have reddish-brown curly hair, although that may have been a wig. She wore big glasses, but that may have been part of her disguise. She seemed to be pregnant, but very well could have been faking it. She drove an older model four-door sedan in a dull gray-silver color during the kidnapping, but it is unknown if that was really her car. She called herself Sheila, but that may have been an alias.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_00] We know a surprising amount about Kevin's abductor. She preyed upon Kevin Verville Jr.'s young parents. Angelina Verville was only 22 years old then. Kevin Sr. was a 21-year-old United States Marine corporal. They lived in the Sterling Homes apartment complex in Oceanside, California. That was an off-base housing complex for military families stationed at Camp Pendleton. She posed as a social worker.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_00] She gained their trust. She honed in on their family after several days of going around Sterling Homes asking after families with young babies.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_03] There are reasons to believe she was looking for a specific type of baby, and that may hold a clue as to who she is. We'll be getting into more about that during this episode.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_00] Another key to identifying this abductor and bringing Kevin back to his family is you. You listeners. NCMIC wants your help. Yesterday, we interviewed Angeline Hartman, the Director of Communications for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. NCMIC has been doing a ton of work on this case. Now, they need your help.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_00] They want you to look at the age-progressed image of Kevin Verville Jr. They want you to share that image. They want you to share a YouTube video they made with family interviews and a recreation of the kidnapping. Because investigators in NCMIC believe Kevin is still out there. He probably doesn't even know he was kidnapped, stolen away from his real family. This case is solvable.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_03] The Murder Sheet people are amazing. You're smart and great researchers, and you care about the good that true crime can do. Low-key, you're like us, which means you're very nerdy about true crime in the best way possible. So please, let's get sleuthing about this case. Share the videos we link to. Put out your own theories. Ask questions. Text your friends and families who might have connections to the communities involved. This is a disappearance that truly could use the publicity and attention and questions.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_03] Because it's solvable. Kevin Verville Jr. is very likely out there. Let's help reunite him with his real family. They've waited long enough. My name is Anya Kane. I'm a journalist.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_00] And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an attorney. And this is The Murder Sheet. We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews, and deep dives into murder cases. We're The Murder Sheet.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_03] And this is The Disappearance of Kevin Verville Jr. Help us find Kevin.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_03] So, first of all, Angeline, thank you so much for joining us today on The Murder Sheet. We so appreciate you guys making the time today.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_02] No, we appreciate you guys. Thank you. Absolutely. This is an important case. And we want your audience to know about it.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_03] When I saw this email from you all, my heart just sank. This is heartbreaking. And I'm so glad you all are raising awareness about this.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_02] Well, you know, the thing is, people want to get involved. They want to help. We just need to give them the information. And in this case, we believe that all of these people are still out there and can be found. We're counting on you guys.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_03] You hear that? Murder Sheet people, we need to help. We need to spread the word on this. This needs to get out there. And we're going to be giving you some tools in this interview to get involved and to speak out and to maybe raise some awareness because I agree. I think this is highly solvable. To start off with, can you just tell us about the victim in this case, the abducted victim, Kevin Verville Jr.?

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_02] Yes. So basically, Kevin Verville Jr. was 17 days old when he was abducted. So let me just back up and tell you about the parents really quick. So the dad, Kevin Verville Jr., is in the military, right? So this is the late 70s. He's stationed in the Philippines and he meets his wife, Angelina, and they get married in the Philippines.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_02] They come to Southern California and he's stationed at Camp Pendleton. So they're at Camp Pendleton and they're in an off-base military housing complex, right? So it's just outside San Diego, Oceanside. And so they're there with other military families. They have the baby. They are just ecstatic. They bring him home after he's in the hospital for about a week. He had some jaundice.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_02] He had to stay in the hospital for a little while longer. So they finally bring him home at around 10 days old and they're enjoying the baby. One day, there's a woman. She sees them and she basically says, I guess she knocks on the door and she says she's a social worker. Her name's Sheila and she's there helping low-income military families with things like diapers, milk, just things that families need, right?

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_02] So at first, mom and dad say, well, you know, let's think about it. We'll get back to you. And Kevin Sr. tells me that, you know, he has to call his family because he wasn't sure this is something he should be a part of. You know, he says, we're very proud. We don't, in my family, like we're not, we don't really want to take handouts or whatever. And he calls his brother who's also in the military and he says, no, that's a good

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_02] program, you know, that's a verified program that, you know, you are at a certain grade. You're just starting out in the military. Go ahead and sign up for that. And so Kevin Verville says, okay, the next day when the woman comes back, she says, you know, we need you to sign up for this, blah, blah, blah. He says, okay. So they agree to sign up and the woman says to them, well, part of signing up, we need to take the stats, like weigh the baby, measure the baby.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_02] And we can do that at the office nearby. And so the couple, they agree to have the mom, Angelina, take the baby with the woman because she says, the woman says, I will take you to the office. And her name, she gives the couple the name Sheila. And she says she's with Project Health. She had an official badge, the whole thing.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_02] So she convinces Angelina to get in the car. They drive away along the way. During the drive, the woman says to Angelina, we're going to pick up another mother and another baby. So we're going to stop at someone else's house. So they pull off into a neighborhood and she asks Angelina to get out of the car and knock on the door because the mother will be waiting. And so Angelina does that.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_02] And as soon as she gets out of the car, Anya, what do you think happened? She drove off. Can you imagine that moment?

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_03] It's the stuff of a mother's like worst nightmares. My heart breaks for her.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_02] I mean, it is so horrible to think about. I just like, oh, so she. Yeah, I know.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_03] It's really it's just my heart hurts for these people. Like they did not deserve this and they never I mean, they still haven't found him.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_02] The thing is, so she gets out of the car and the woman speeds off with the baby in the car. Right. And the way we understand the story is Angelina, you know, she's like you have to remember, this is 1980, July 1st, 1980. There is no cell phone. There is no. Like she doesn't even know where she is. And so she tries to run after the car. That doesn't happen. And so anyway, that was the last time they saw the baby.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_02] So we think that the abductor probably was wearing a disguise. Right. Right. The red hair, red, brown hair, you know, curly wig and the big glasses. She also had a silver or gray four door sedan. That's the car that was used in the abduction. And it had California plates. Whether or not that was her car at the time and somebody recognizes that or remembers that

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_02] from 1980, I don't know if that's a clue, but I'm just giving you the information because you never know. And when investigators went back, they figured out that this woman was knocking on many doors, like saw dozens of people at this apartment complex. And so there were lots of witnesses. And because there were so many people who saw this woman, they were able to put together a composite sketch.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02] We have that. It's an old sketch that you could share. There's a thought that she was wearing a wig because she had this big curl. She had curly hair and she's wearing these glasses. And it probably was a disguise. Her name probably wasn't Sheila. We know she was not with Project Health at the time. But what's interesting about it is that she was not scared to talk to all these people. Right. She saw other families with babies. There were lots of young families here.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_02] And so what that told investigators, it's not like she knocked on a door, found a baby, and then took off. Because she talked to so many different people, that told investigators that she was looking for a specific type of baby, a specific, whether it was the age, you know, what kind of baby, boy, girl, whatever. In the end, investigators believe that she was looking for a baby that was probably newborn,

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_02] could have been maybe a boy or girl, but definitely like half Asian. Turns out she spoke Tagalog, the national language of the Philippines. And of course, Kevin Verville Jr. is half Filipino. And so we think she was specifically looking for a baby who was either part Filipino or part Asian and who was newborn. And she found him. And she took him. And that was 46 years ago.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_02] I mean, that tells investigators that the intent was to take the baby and raise that baby as her own. Yeah.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_03] And we've been looking at cases of fetal abduction or, you know, fetal abduction by maternal evisceration. And I know like a lot of studies have actually relied on NCMEC's data on this. And there's some indication that as infant abductions became rarer, as hospitals, you know, firmed up their security, fetal abductions kind of the rate went up. But one thing they say about those abductors who I think have something in common, they both

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_03] want an infant, a baby to have, is that oftentimes it's less about the baby and it's more about convincing the people in their lives, especially a male partner, that they are indeed pregnant and did have a baby. It's oftentimes maybe more about preserving a relationship.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02] That is the number one motivation when you look at the profile of an infant abductor. It is at the heart of this. It's usually to save a relationship or to continue a relationship, whether it's in their mind or it's real and it's ending or it's on rocky ground. But these abductors believe that a baby will save the relationship and they will go to any

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_02] length to carry forward and save that relationship. Some people cannot even stretch their mind to think that far, but there is a profile of an infant abductor and that's it.

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[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah, it's about the relationship. And I mean, is it fair to say if she's specifically targeting possibly an Asian baby, a half Filipino baby that, you know, she might have been...

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_02] Is her partner maybe Filipino? Some of the witnesses said they heard her speaking in the Filipino dialect or like maybe not fluently, but at least knew some words. So is her partner in the military? Was he in the military? Had she traveled to the Philippines with him? I mean, was she living in that complex or nearby that complex? You know, when you look at the profile of an infant abductor, they usually are from that community.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_02] Are we looking for a woman who had a baby in the early 1980s who had ties to the military, to the Philippines? These are the things that we have to look at now. Because last year, when we had a big press conference for when Kevin Verville Jr. turned 45 years old and we wanted to remind people, we had created a new age progression of what he might look like now as an adult.

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_02] And there was heavy emphasis on that. While we're asking you to share that with your audience, this time I'm really asking people to let's focus on the abductor because we've seen the age progression. And I think that gets some people going. But let's do both this time. Let's look at his picture. But what are the theories about this woman? You know, she supposedly had a little tattoo on her hand.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_02] And, you know, depending on who saw it, it's either a circle and a cross or a circle and an X. It was either blue or black. So what does that mean? Why did she have that tattoo? Did somebody cover up a tattoo years later that you know about? What would be interesting with your audience, Anya, is if we could ask them, what is their reaction?

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_02] What are their, you know, everybody has their own thoughts, their own insights, their own little theories. What does your audience think about the abductor? That's what I want to know. You know, this abductor had a tattoo on her left hand in that little webbed area between the thumb and the forefinger, right? So it's supposed to be like a circle with either a cross or an X. I guess it depends on how you look at it.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_02] Are there people who understand tattoos out there? What does that mean? Where did she get it? Remember, this is Southern California, but she could have gotten it anywhere. Is it a gang thing? Is it a, you know, 1980 thing? What is it? And are there any clues related to that? I would really like people to focus on the abductor this July.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like it's very likely that he was raised potentially as her son.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_02] Oh, yeah. I mean, there is no other motivation. Yeah. I think just looking at all the other circumstances that surround this case, right? She talked to lots of people. She spoke to Gallag a little bit. She was on a military base. She knew exactly where she was. She knew how to target these families here. And she had a plan.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_02] The thing is, what's really interesting about this case, Anya, she didn't just spend one day there. She was there for several days, apparently. She knew how to get on this property. There was, you know, security. There was a little arm gate, you know, and a guard. I'm told that because that really confuses me. I'm like, so did she have ID? How did she get onto the property? Somebody had said that if she parked in a certain area, she could just walk on.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_02] I mean, it's been more than 40 years, so you get different answers, right? So it's tough. But these are all questions that I think maybe your audience can help us with, especially if they have military background. I'm sure somebody in your audience, you know, may have ties to Camp Pendleton. What do they remember about that time? She targeted this housing complex for a reason. It's no longer there, but it was called Sterling Homes.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_02] And if you look online, the things we've read about it is, like, not, you know, people who live there say, like, yeah, we were ready to get out.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_00] It's not very nice.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_02] It needed a lot of attention, I should just say. Right. Right? You know, there were a lot of people that came through there. And I just know that the answer is out there.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. I know Marines who went through Camp Pendleton, and I hope this is something that they would be willing to share and maybe talk to people who might have been there back in the day. I'm curious. How else can our audience get involved and maybe help out with this case as far as trying to find answers?

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_02] Right. Okay. So you're going to share all of the assets that we gave to you, right? Yes. We really want people to see the full story that we put together. It's about nine to ten minutes. It's on our YouTube channel, right? missingkids.org, nickmick.org. And you can see the story that we put together. We'd like to generate more conversation in the comments section. What are the theories that you have? What do you think happened? What are your suggestions?

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_02] Where should investigators go from here? What hasn't been done? I know people always ask, what about DNA? The answer is yes. The family has submitted DNA. And they're just waiting. You know how that goes. Maybe there's a hit one day. Maybe there's not. But how amazing would it be if there were? I mean, and we've seen that happen before, right? We know it can happen.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_03] This is also why everyone should consider at least uploading their DNA to GEDmatch and to places where give.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_02] I was going to let you say it. You said what can people do?

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[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_02] There's so many ways. We're talking not just this case. So many cases. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, at the very least, go on to YouTube, watch the video, and give us your feedback. And then keep sharing from there. Because once you start the conversation, people cannot help but talk about this case because it is so bizarre. And, you know, you talked about maternal instinct. I mean, that was just trending on Netflix recently, right?

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_02] And so people are starting to ask even more questions about infant abductions, fetal abductions. What? I think they're very surprised to hear that there's a profile of an infant abductor, you know?

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_03] I think they're surprised because people think, oh, the maternal instinct is so strong that women are just out stealing babies. That's not the case. It is a messy relationship where a woman will do anything to keep her man. I mean, that's what it is. What this family went through is so heartbreaking. And I was wondering, could you speak to that a bit about how this has affected Kevin's family all these years later?

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_02] Well, Kevin's parents ultimately got divorced. Their relationship did not survive this. And as you know, that's something very common where a family experiences a tragedy like this. It is hard to overcome. They did have two other children. And so the daughter in this case, Angelica, about a few years ago, she started asking questions.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_02] And then started working with NCMEC, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. And that's how things started progressing when she started working with the FBI. And we all decided to do something together jointly last year and do a press conference and just kind of reintroduce this case to everybody. But the dad is doing well. He's remarried.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_02] And the mom also remarried, but she recently had a stroke the last couple of years. And so she is nonverbal now. And that's really very sad because she knows what's going on. She just can't speak about it. So she knows that this case got attention. She knows there is a press conference.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_02] Angelica shows her mom the People Magazine article where Kevin Verville Jr. was featured last year. She knows what's happening. Now, the dad, he is doing well and he is just coming around. Last year really was the first time he was speaking publicly about it for many years. When this first happened, he did some interviews with local media.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_02] And then the way I understand it is that there was a lot of media, a lot of attention very early on. And then time moved on. And within a year, that was it. And as you know, there's new cases, new investigators, things turn over. And before you know it, one year becomes five years, becomes 10 years. And it became 40 years.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02] And this poor family, they had no idea what to do. You know, back then they were in their 20s and they didn't know to call and ask questions. When they heard the investigators say, we'll let you know, we'll update you, they just sat back and continued on, tried to get on with their lives. And all of a sudden, it's 40 years later and they still didn't have any answers.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_02] So it was the daughter who picked it up and is now pushing forward. But the dad had stopped talking after that first year. He said it was really too painful for him to even think about it because it led to so many bad things. The dissolve of their marriage, really. And so it wasn't until a couple of years ago.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_02] And then this press conference last year, that was the first time he really spoke publicly about it in more than 40 years.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_03] I imagine it is so painful for people to relive that, but it certainly can help get the word out there.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. Well, we were fortunate enough at that press conference to have a packed room. The local media showed up and you could hear a pin drop when the dad spoke because he was so, I mean, he's just a lovely, kind man. And you can see the pain that he's going through as if it were, this just happened yesterday.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_02] So it really is something and we would love, love, love to give this family answers. And here's the thing, again, investigators say this is what they believe, that this woman took Kevin Verville Jr. to raise him as her own. And so if you believe that, then he's likely out there right now and he has no idea about his real identity.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_02] And that's what we believe at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. We believe Kevin Verville Jr. is out there today with no idea about his real identity. Can you imagine? He's lived his whole life being whatever his name is and to turn around to realize the woman he thought was his mother abducted him. That's the reality.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_03] It's horrifying. And it's, but it's, I mean, I hope the truth is able to come to light. And frankly, sometimes, you know, you have people who maybe they know something like in their gut, they may feel a disconnect with someone who's supposed to be their biological mother.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_02] But yes, maybe we've seen that before in several cases where sometimes the abductee senses something. Right. Or something happens in the teenage years where the paperwork's not quite right. It's time to get, you know, their driver's license or whatever ID and they don't have the proper paperwork. And then that leads them on a trail to something else combined with I never really felt right. Or I always had questions about this.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02] There are all these nuggets along the way. And when you put all that together and you start asking questions, you can get the answers.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_03] I want to kind of narrow in on what we would be looking for. This would be a man in his 40s who is...

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_02] 46 now. But who knows? You know? Yeah. He was born in June, right? And June 1980. He'd be half Filipino, half Caucasian. He'd be 46. But who knows? He could think he's 43. He could think he's 50. Right. Who knows?

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_03] Somewhere in that range.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. And we're looking for a woman who was supposedly pregnant from January to June, like would have been showing or not showing spring of 1980. Did she leave and suddenly come back with a baby? Or did she... You know, a lot of times these infant abductors had lost a baby previously. Right?

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_02] And so that's kind of in their mental state where they have to replace the baby. So maybe she was pregnant at one time. And then now she has to replace the baby because it's time. Or maybe she was never pregnant at all. Or maybe she was pregnant, you know, a couple years before and had a miscarriage. These are all things to think about.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_03] Sometimes it is a ruse and then they have to get a baby so they won't be caught in the lie, essentially. Right. Exactly. Gosh. I mean, if someone is out there, if this reaches a middle-aged man who is half Filipino, half Caucasian, who maybe has some questions, what should they do if they think, I could be Kevin?

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_02] We've heard those calls before where a person calls the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. 1-800-843-5678. They call and they say, I don't know who I am. Or I have questions. Or I think I might be missing. Or I heard about this story and I just want to talk to somebody. That's where you start.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_02] If you have questions and you want to have the conversation and it turns out that this is not you or whatever, that's okay too. But just start asking the question. Whether it's you, yourself, or you have a question about somebody you know. Because that's the only way we're going to get answers.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_03] Yes. Ask the question and then whatever the answer is.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_02] It's okay. Yeah. Yeah. To me, it's really about the tattoo. I want to know who, what does that tattoo mean? Who had that tattoo in 1980? Like, are there any tattoo artists who could help us out there?

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_03] Yes. If anyone here is a tattoo artist and is listening, like, we would love to talk to you and just kind of just figure out, like, what could this mean? Are there different symbols this could be? Or, like, are there significant? I mean, I don't know. I don't have any tattoos. I don't know anything about it. But I'm sure there are experts in our audience who can say, oh, maybe it's this. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be great. I think the more we talk about it, the more we all ask questions. Exactly. Yeah. That's right.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_03] And this is where the true crime audience can actually do some really amazing things here because it's like, this is a case that needs to be talked about. Or if we can talk about it enough and it can get to the right people, things can happen.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_02] And that's the thing. I mean, isn't that what we do? Like, investigators do. They get together and they talk and they come up with theories and they throw stuff against the wall and they go, yes, no, yes, no. I mean, that's what everybody does. So let's get the conversation started. That's why we appreciate this so, so much.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_03] Thank you so much. I do want to ask you, is there anything I didn't ask about as far as like infant abductors and the profile there that people should know or be aware of or that could help them narrow anything down?

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_02] So the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children tracks these types of cases. That's part of the work we do. So we took a look at the numbers. And so we looked at the number of cases from 1964 to 2025. That's 345 cases of infant abduction through that time period. To me, that's a lot.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_02] That means a baby between the ages of zero to six months was taken from their family. And we're talking either from a hospital setting, right, a health care setting, a home or, you know, they call it miscellaneous or random where it's like a parking lot or something like that. But early on, it used to be hospitals. That's where they were taking place.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_02] And then the protocols increased, right? The safety protocols got better and better as they recognized that this was an issue. And the National Center helps in training the medical personnel and law enforcement so that they can understand these crimes and figure out the best way to combat this. We saw a shift in this crime where the crimes were no longer happening in hospital settings. They were happening at people's homes.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_02] So the good news is the majority were found and they were assaulted. As you can imagine, the profile of the infant abductor is, in most of these cases, it's a female. She usually acts alone. In most of these cases, she was between the ages of 20 to 40. She was of childbearing age. She usually was either in a relationship or, you know, like I said, on a tail end of the relationship.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_02] And she usually is part of the community where this abduction happened. She lives there. And a lot of times she has gone to, depending on where the abduction happened, she spent time studying, for example, if the abduction took place in a hospital, which we know is pretty much rare these days because everything has been ramped up. The security protocols have increased over the years. And so that rarely happens.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_02] So early on, when there were more abductions happening at health care facilities, the profile of the infant abductor is that that woman had gone to the hospital before to kind of study the, you know, comings and goings at the hospital to figure out what's the routine. And so, you know, with the pain, a lot of times these women had not met the mother before. So it's interesting.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_02] You can read more about it on our website. And I'll give you the link so that you can share it with your audience, too. Because I would like more people. I think it's surprising to see.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. And it's important to guard oneself against. It's a rare crime, but it's obviously a devastating crime.

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_02] Mm-hmm. So to date, we have about 15 or 16 infant abduction cases that are still active. That means there are more than a dozen families out there who are still looking for their babies who are abducted as infants, their family members. That's too many families.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_03] It's absolutely heartbreaking to contemplate with what families like Kevin's family have gone through and just what all of these families have gone through. When it comes to people, I ask you what a potential Kevin, you know, if someone's like, this might be me, what they should do. What if we're talking about somebody who is listening to this and may say, I might know Kevin. I might know a guy who fits this. What should they do that's in a way that's respectful and, you know, not doing anything crazy but also helpful?

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_02] Right. We've had that before, too. We've had people who've called in or emailed and said, I saw this case. I'm familiar with this particular case. I think I might have information to help that case. And that's what law enforcement wants. They want all the information so that they can vet that and figure out whether or not it's valid. I don't want somebody to think, oh, I could be wrong and not report. Don't worry about that.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_02] If you have an inkling, if you have a question, if you have a thought, report it. And then it'll go from there.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_03] And if you're wrong and investigators rule that out, then that's okay. That's fine. And if they and if you're right, then you have reunited a family.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_02] And you don't know. You might have this sense and somebody else in your neighborhood might have the sense about that same person and three other people. And if five of you came together and called, that elevates that information for the investigators. And they say, we should take a look at that guy in this neighborhood. So every bit helps.

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_02] Since last year when we had that press conference in June in Oceanside, California, the public did respond. And we did get calls. And some people said, like, I don't want to upset anybody, but here's my feeling. Here's my thought. This is a possibility. I'm just bringing this up. I can tell you that investigators are actively working on this case. They are looking into the tips that come in. So that's the good news.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_03] That's excellent news. And again, if someone, if you're wrong, then you're wrong and nothing happens. It's a low risk to just at least say, hey, this might be a fit. I wanted to ask you, so is the FBI the predominant investigative agency on this one? Yes, it's the FBI out of San Diego. Would you guys want tips going through you or them?

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_02] We always like it to come to us. And then because whatever is sent to us goes to them. But we can keep a record of everything.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_03] That's perfect.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_02] That helps both organizations.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_03] I'll include the tip line for you guys then, if that's okay. I just want to thank you and NCMEC for the work you all do with these cases and with all cases. I mean, you're a tremendous organization. And I know you've done so much good for victims' families in terrible situations. And so thank you.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_02] Well, we appreciate you, Anya. I mean, we're all in this together, right? And so if everybody does their part, it does make a big difference, you know, whether you see it today or you see it down the road. So we appreciate you. We're so grateful that we could be a part of your show today. So, Anya, thank you for the work that you're doing. We appreciate you and your audience for even being a part of this because we know the answers are out there. So thank you.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_03] Thank you again to Angeline for taking the time to speak with us on such short notice. And thank you to the wonderful people at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, or NCMEC, for the work they do.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_00] As we said earlier, the best thing you can do to help Kevin's case is talk about it. Post about it on social media. Share the YouTube video that NCMEC put out there with the interviews and the recreation of the crime. We will be doing the same.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_03] And help them drive up engagement on this case by commenting. Share your theories. If you have connections to Oceanside, California, to Camp Pendleton, to the General San Diego area, to the United States Marine Corps, to the United States military, to the Filipino American community in California, to other various Asian American communities in California, to the Philippines in general, it's especially important for you to share this story. Those are the folks that we feel would be most helpful to reach.

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_03] Ask your friends and connections and loved ones if they ever heard of a Caucasian woman with a half-Filipino or half-Asian, half-Caucasian baby born in the early 1980s. She might be someone with a history of telling elaborate lies. She might have had a relationship with a Filipino or Asian man, potentially a rocky one. She may have had connections to Oceanside, California, to Camp Pendleton, to Sterling Holmes, to San Diego, to the United States Marine Corps, to the United States military in general,

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_03] to the Philippines. She may have spoken some Tagalog. She may have used the alias Sheila. She may have disguised herself with a reddish curly wig and big glasses. She may have been pregnant, or faking a pregnancy, in the spring and summer of 1980. She may have or previously have had a tattoo on the webbing between her thumb and index finger on her left hand, possibly blue or black, a circle with a cross or an X in it.

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_03] None of those things are definitive or set in stone, so don't let them throw you off. But they're a place to start.

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_00] Kevin Verville Jr. is almost 46 today. But he may not know his true age. He is half Filipino and half Caucasian. He was likely raised by his abductor. We will be including links to his age progression image. Take a look at it. Share it.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_03] If you think you know Kevin or his abductor, call Nick Mick. They will get you connected with law enforcement. If you think you might be Kevin Verville Jr., call Nick Mick. Don't hold back. If you're wrong, you're wrong. Nothing comes of it. But if you're right, you'll be giving innocent people who've been through hell the answers that can make their family whole again. Call Nick Mick at 1-800-843-5678.

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_03] Again, 1-800-843-5678. We will be including that number in our show notes as well. Don't hesitate. Just call. And if you don't have a lead, we still want your help. Tell us your theories. Comment on the YouTube video that we're going to share in our show notes. Share that YouTube video with others. Share the other links. Share our social media clips about this case. Let's keep talking about Kevin Verville Jr.

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_03] The more we do that, the more we can help bring him home.

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