The Murder of Angela Craig: The Case Against James Craig So Far

[00:00:00] Content Warning, this episode contains discussion of murder.

[00:00:05] So today on the Murder Sheet, we're going to be covering a case out of Colorado, out of Aurora, Colorado.

[00:00:13] And this is a case where I started covering it for a cheat sheet episode, but I got my hands on the probable cause affidavit for arrest in the case.

[00:00:25] And I found it very, very interesting. And I thought that perhaps we could just cover it in its own episode, kind of give it some room.

[00:00:32] So this is the murder of Angela Craig and the arrest of her husband, a dentist named James Craig, for that case.

[00:00:41] And all the frankly wild things that have happened ever since.

[00:00:47] My name is Anya Kane. I'm a journalist.

[00:00:49] And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an attorney.

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[00:01:02] And this is The Murder of Angela Craig, The Case Against James Craig So Far.

[00:01:55] So to get started, my source for this was a copy of the probable cause affidavit.

[00:02:02] As I mentioned, we're going to be going through that and then we'll link to it.

[00:02:07] And we'll also get into some more recent developments in the case.

[00:02:13] But yeah, to give you some background, this centers around the Craigs, a married couple, James and Angela.

[00:02:22] They had six kids and they shared 23 years of marriage together, lived in Colorado, as I mentioned.

[00:02:32] And James Craig worked as a dentist.

[00:02:35] So by all accounts, you know, looking stable, looking good.

[00:02:41] But unfortunately, this case really, it's pretty horrifying when you dig into it.

[00:02:48] The probable cause affidavit that we're reading from and will be looking at was put together by a detective with the city of Aurora Police Department, a woman named Bobby Olson.

[00:02:58] She's been there since 2013 and she's assigned to their major crime homicide unit.

[00:03:04] So this starts on March 6th, 2023.

[00:03:08] The Craigs do a workout together as a couple in the morning.

[00:03:12] And Craig made his wife a protein shake or some sort of pre-workout shake.

[00:03:17] Gives her some extra protein because she was feeling a bit sluggish at that point.

[00:03:21] Angela drinks it.

[00:03:22] And after the workout, she feels very faint and dizzy.

[00:03:26] And pretty quickly, Craig brought her to the hospital.

[00:03:31] So she goes in there March 6th.

[00:03:34] She's released.

[00:03:36] Admitted again because her symptoms persist March 9th and then released March 14th.

[00:03:42] And again and again, the medical personnel just cannot figure this out.

[00:03:47] She's she's throwing up.

[00:03:49] She's having high blood pressure.

[00:03:51] Then she's having low blood pressure.

[00:03:53] She's very sluggish.

[00:03:54] Her eyes are having trouble focusing.

[00:03:58] It's just it's a bad situation.

[00:04:01] Everyone's alarmed, but nobody can really figure out a medical reason that she would be experiencing this.

[00:04:08] And one thing that struck me about this PCA, Kevin, is that so much of it is compiled from statements from Craig's own colleagues.

[00:04:18] His business partner who he ran this dental practice with, his office manager, other people who work there.

[00:04:25] They're really providing a lot of the information for this.

[00:04:28] And I commend them for that because I think in situations, if you know somebody, you might want to protect them.

[00:04:34] But in this case, it seems like all these people valued the truth and honesty over anything else.

[00:04:38] What sort of information did they come forward with?

[00:04:44] Well, so Angela has checked into the Parker Adventist Hospital March 6th.

[00:04:50] That night, an office manager, and we're not naming any of these people.

[00:04:56] Their names are often redacted, although there are a couple of slip ups in this PCA.

[00:05:01] And we're just going to kind of sometimes it's confusing because you can't really quite always tell, like, is it this worker or this worker?

[00:05:07] So some of them might be wrong.

[00:05:09] I'm just letting you know.

[00:05:10] But we're trying not to use people's names out of privacy.

[00:05:13] This office worker is working late at the office at the dental practice, notices Craig in an exam room.

[00:05:21] It's an exam room at the sort of dead end of the hallway.

[00:05:25] And he's the lights are all off and he's on a computer.

[00:05:29] And she thinks that's really weird.

[00:05:32] Normally, he would be on his computer in his own office.

[00:05:35] He has his own work computer.

[00:05:37] Why would he be in there doing that?

[00:05:39] She thinks it's very odd.

[00:05:40] And she leaves.

[00:05:42] Half an hour later, she gets a text from him.

[00:05:44] Also kind of odd.

[00:05:45] Says, hey, I'm expecting a personal package at work.

[00:05:49] Don't open it.

[00:05:51] She's like, OK.

[00:05:53] Doesn't think about it again, most likely, until that comes back March 13th.

[00:05:57] And she finds it and it's opened.

[00:06:00] Turns out another employee who hadn't gotten the memo opened it on accident.

[00:06:05] That employee saw something really weird.

[00:06:08] Also talked to detectives.

[00:06:09] Saw a, this thing had a biohazard sticker on it.

[00:06:13] It was a canister of cylinder sort of labeled potassium cyanide.

[00:06:20] So the office manager's like, OK, seals it up, gives it to Craig.

[00:06:26] You know, he seemingly doesn't realize it's been opened.

[00:06:30] And it was just this like foil square, no markings.

[00:06:33] It was wrapped in brown construction paper, metal lid.

[00:06:36] They got a good look at it.

[00:06:38] And it was odd because there's not really any medical reason for him to have potassium cyanide.

[00:06:43] It's not something that they're going to really use in dentistry.

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[00:11:41] So, you know, March 14th, as I mentioned, Angela is discharged from the hospital.

[00:11:49] And one person close to them who was interviewed for the PCA noted that Angela said something to Craig like, quote,

[00:11:57] there are poisons they don't test for.

[00:11:59] And she went home on oxygen, but people felt she was almost kind of making an accusation at him when she said that.

[00:12:06] So, March 15th, around 11-08-8.

[00:12:10] This sounds like something out of a thriller.

[00:12:12] And in fact, I recently re-read the Scott Turow novel, Innocent.

[00:12:18] And there was a big plot point in there involving what poisons are screened for and what poisons are not.

[00:12:26] And it's not surprising to me that a doctor, a dentist, would be fully aware of what would show up in a screening and what would not.

[00:12:35] Kevin, I'm so glad you said that because we are going to become aware of exactly how aware Craig was about this whole business.

[00:12:43] That's in the evidence in the PCA.

[00:12:45] And I think it will probably make you a little bit surprised.

[00:12:50] Yeah, Ani is the one that researched this case, so I'm looming about it with all of you.

[00:12:54] Yeah, but I want you to ask questions and definitely feel free to jump in and say what you're thinking legally.

[00:13:00] And also, this PCA is quite a document.

[00:13:04] They've got a lot in here.

[00:13:06] But anyways, so unfortunately, Angela, who's again only 43, a mom of six kids, that day, March 15th, 11.08 a.m., she goes into a university hospital.

[00:13:19] Her symptoms have persisted and gotten worse.

[00:13:22] She's got a severe headache at that point.

[00:13:24] She's very dizzy.

[00:13:25] And her brother is the one who brings her in.

[00:13:28] So Craig comes in later, her husband.

[00:13:30] At about 2 p.m. that day, she had a very significant seizure.

[00:13:33] She collapsed.

[00:13:34] She goes on life support.

[00:13:36] It's that bad.

[00:13:36] And the doctors are baffled.

[00:13:38] She's experiencing increased inner cranial pressure, lack of oxygen, no pupil reaction.

[00:13:44] They can't figure out what's going on.

[00:13:46] They don't understand why this is happening.

[00:13:50] And to kind of, you know, back up, one of the people who's all over this PCA is Craig's colleague, who is his business partner.

[00:14:00] Now, it turned out Craig had a kind of a history of failing at businesses.

[00:14:04] He had gone bankrupt and he was on the verge of bankruptcy.

[00:14:08] So this guy knew him for years, knew him since dental school, and went into business with him.

[00:14:14] They – he was essentially his business partner.

[00:14:16] He was taking on – I think he acquired Craig's practice.

[00:14:20] So he was kind of, I think, coming in, having that experience, perhaps doing better with the dental business and being able to run it better.

[00:14:26] So they're working together in that perspective.

[00:14:30] And that guy and his wife were actually quite good friends with the Craigs, friends with Angela, friends with James.

[00:14:37] But despite that, this couple, the business partner and his wife, when they went to the hospital, they wanted to be there for Angela.

[00:14:48] They told the nurse that they believed Angela was poisoned because of some of the stuff that was going on.

[00:14:55] You know, he had – I think this business partner had heard about the potassium cyanide.

[00:14:59] He said he's like, there's no reason that Craig would have that.

[00:15:03] And the nurse, as a mandatory reporter, called police.

[00:15:06] So the next day, March 16th, the business partner meets with Olson, Detective Olson.

[00:15:13] And they'd worked together since August 2022.

[00:15:18] And he described Craig as a risk taker and one who was experiencing marriage problems with Angela.

[00:15:26] He said – a different colleague said that there was a story out there that Craig had told Angela he wanted a divorce and that he would often become distant when he and Angela were fighting at home.

[00:15:37] So meanwhile, the office manager who's – this whole thing, Angela is sick and she's – they're getting these weird packages and Craig's being secretive about it.

[00:15:48] She also – she's also concerned.

[00:15:51] She's looking up the symptoms of like the potassium cyanide and things like that and starts thinking maybe Angela was poisoned as well.

[00:16:00] Then there's this phone call.

[00:16:02] This is just completely wild.

[00:16:04] You know, Craig calls, I believe, the business partner and says like, did you say anything to the hospital staff?

[00:16:15] And the business partner is like, you know, well, yeah, I knew about the package.

[00:16:21] So they do a call.

[00:16:22] It's on the Bluetooth in this guy's car so his wife can hear it too, I believe.

[00:16:27] And Craig's like, you know, that package was a ring for my wife, Angela.

[00:16:32] And the business partner's like, dude, I know it's not a ring.

[00:16:36] It was opened.

[00:16:37] Unbeknownst to you, it was opened.

[00:16:38] The employees saw it.

[00:16:39] We know it was potassium cyanide.

[00:16:42] And Craig's like, okay, it was.

[00:16:45] But Angela asked me to buy it.

[00:16:47] She couldn't because she lacked the credentials necessary.

[00:16:49] And then he says something like, I didn't think she would actually take it.

[00:16:52] It was supposed to be just a game of chicken.

[00:16:55] And the business partner, this is the best, the business partner response, stop talking and get a lawyer.

[00:17:02] Good advice.

[00:17:03] Yeah.

[00:17:04] So, you know, in addition to that, like it's sad, you know, you can read in the PCA the text between the business partner's wife and Craig from like about March 9th to March 15th.

[00:17:17] We're not going to read all of them, but she's often checking in.

[00:17:21] Again, Angela is her friend.

[00:17:22] She's concerned.

[00:17:23] And she has a background in nursing, a PhD.

[00:17:26] So she's, you know, highly aware of, you know, like the kind of medical implications of some of what Angela is going through.

[00:17:32] And she's concerned.

[00:17:33] So she's checking in a lot saying, hey, we're going to come visit you.

[00:17:36] So this is more than just a business relationship.

[00:17:39] It's a personal relationship.

[00:17:39] And she's just getting updates from Craig and whatnot.

[00:17:46] So this is something then that Craig, I believe, sends his business partner.

[00:17:53] You know, I was wondering if this is after, I believe.

[00:18:00] So, unfortunately, as a result of this, Angela on March 18th was pronounced brain dead at 429.

[00:18:14] So she did not make it.

[00:18:17] And the day prior, get this, the day prior, it turned out that, you know, well, I should say this.

[00:18:27] If her family members had been begging him, like, if she dies, please do an autopsy.

[00:18:31] And he was saying no.

[00:18:33] And they would be like, but if there's something genetic here, you need to know that for her kids, for your kids.

[00:18:40] Because, you know, like figure out what happened.

[00:18:42] There are reasons to do autopsies that have nothing to do with a potential crime.

[00:18:47] Yeah.

[00:18:47] If there's no crime here, which maybe that's the assumption, if you don't, you know, like if there's no crime, you need to figure that out.

[00:18:53] Because if there's something that happened genetically with Angela, her kids could face that and they need to be aware of that.

[00:18:59] And he's just saying no.

[00:19:00] If they couldn't figure it out when she was alive, I'm not going to have to prod around her when she's dead.

[00:19:05] That's a weird answer, in my opinion.

[00:19:07] You would think as a father you'd want to protect your kids.

[00:19:09] That means having information.

[00:19:23] Read that if that's okay.

[00:19:24] You're going to be James Craig in this.

[00:19:26] And this is something he sent his business partner.

[00:19:31] That is a very odd, in my opinion, text after his wife was dead.

[00:19:37] Good morning.

[00:19:38] Thank you for taking my patient load today.

[00:19:41] I want to make an urgent plea to you.

[00:19:43] If we were ever friends, please do this favor for me.

[00:19:46] Please don't talk to anyone about what we talked about last night, including any law enforcement officers.

[00:19:53] You are under no obligation to answer their questions unless you were served a subpoena.

[00:19:58] And you would do more damage than good to my family by continuing to insert yourself into this.

[00:20:04] Angela is gone and I am devastated.

[00:20:07] There is nothing that can bring her back.

[00:20:09] And I want desperately to tell you all of the details so that you can better understand what's going on behind the scenes with her.

[00:20:16] There is so, so much that you don't know that I wish you did.

[00:20:21] If you knew everything, this would make so much sense to you, but there's no use in telling you right now.

[00:20:28] You and I have a history of you and the other partners and Jack Yell talking about me behind my back and deciding what you think is best.

[00:20:35] And then you're always the fall guy that has to pull the trigger or tell me what you've all decided about me.

[00:20:40] In fact, yesterday you didn't even come to me.

[00:20:43] I had to seek you out.

[00:20:45] You have never given me the advantage of talking with you first.

[00:20:49] You just decide and then act and hope I'll pick up all the pieces later.

[00:20:54] This is a pattern in our business dealings and now has become a factor in our personal dealings.

[00:21:00] Let me paint a picture for you of what this has done.

[00:21:03] Yesterday I had to tell my kids their mom was not going to wake up and they were there to say their final goodbyes.

[00:21:09] This was at 6.45 p.m.

[00:21:12] The hospital said we could bring the kids up to say goodbye at that time.

[00:21:18] But because of the investigation you opened by your incomplete information, the hospital made those poor, grieving, hysterical kids wait until after 10 o'clock to see their mom.

[00:21:31] After an hour or so of saying goodbye to her, we went home just before midnight only to have our house sealed against our entry by the police.

[00:21:41] Instead of getting to go home and find comfort, they were met with flashing lights and cold, unfeeling cops.

[00:21:48] And the kids, scared and confused, had to go sleep at the home of a ward member.

[00:21:57] Family is starting to come into town today and I have to tell them they can't come to my house and try to explain why.

[00:22:05] I have to hire a homicide attorney to make sure I don't end up being painted in the light that you know some hungry DA is anxious to paint me in

[00:22:14] because I am most likely going to be charged even though that is absolutely not what happened.

[00:22:21] I understand why you did what you did.

[00:22:23] I do.

[00:22:24] I get it.

[00:22:25] But if you had come to me personally, man to man, instead of talking to everyone else about what you thought you knew,

[00:22:32] I might have let you in on some details that would have made you less likely to cause this horrible storm.

[00:22:39] Man, if you had only put me higher on your list of priorities instead of putting everyone else's opinions and gossip ahead of me.

[00:22:47] For that, I am very, very mad at you.

[00:22:50] I have talked to you about this multiple times, but you don't seem to care.

[00:22:55] And now what you thought was responsible has become reckless and so, so destructive.

[00:23:01] And so I'm asking, if there was ever any love in your heart for me, please don't make this any worse by talking to any officers or anyone else about this unless you are legally forced to.

[00:23:14] And whoever else on the team you think is going to ask them to ask them to honor this request too.

[00:23:20] Also, please do not respond to this text message until I text you again.

[00:23:27] Okay.

[00:23:28] So, um, I'll tell you my impressions about that and then I would be really curious about yours, especially as an attorney, Kevin, because like this guy is basically saying don't cooperate with anybody.

[00:23:40] Yes.

[00:23:40] One thing that strikes me is the level of manipulation in this.

[00:23:43] Yeah, that's very striking.

[00:23:45] Very striking.

[00:23:46] That's kind of just hits you over the head.

[00:23:48] Um, he's, he's using his children with Angela as a, as a tool using his own purported grief as a tool of like, you did this to me.

[00:23:59] There's a, there's a real shit.

[00:24:00] Like if you didn't know anything about the situation, you would think that the business partner had caused some awful situation.

[00:24:06] What actually sparked this crisis is the fact that Angela Craig died suddenly was, was murdered, was poisoned.

[00:24:17] But, you know, you would think that the central issue here was that, uh, you know, this guy talked to police or said something to a nurse rather.

[00:24:25] So I'm struck by the manipulativeness.

[00:24:28] I'm struck by the kind of very nakedly manipulative tactics.

[00:24:31] It's not subtle at all.

[00:24:32] I'm struck by, um, the entitlement.

[00:24:37] A lot of this is complaining that the business partner like talks about him behind his back or has done so in the past.

[00:24:42] You know, um, when you kind of learn about Craig's personality, he's a risk taker.

[00:24:47] He's made bad business decisions in the past.

[00:24:50] You can kind of understand perhaps why, you know, people might talk about, about him at work or be concerned or kind of, you know, maybe he doesn't have the best judgment or impulse control or whatnot.

[00:25:00] But, you know, it's, it's just, it's very entitled.

[00:25:02] It's very manipulative.

[00:25:04] What, what are your thoughts on this?

[00:25:06] Yeah, I think my thoughts largely echo yours.

[00:25:08] It's very manipulative.

[00:25:10] He's using his, uh, kids as a lever to try to control this person's behavior.

[00:25:17] He is trying to insinuate this person has wronged him in the past and he's continuing to do so and blaming all the problems he must have had in the business to this person's, uh, dirty dealings.

[00:25:30] It's, it's, it's very, very manipulative and not terribly convincing.

[00:25:34] Also, it's kind of bizarre because, okay, if my business partner is already like thinking I might have poisoned my wife and is, is, uh, is talking to people about that, including nurses and detectives.

[00:25:46] Do I really think at that point they're going to stop or do I think like the Rubicon has been crossed there?

[00:25:52] So it's kind of stupid, I think, to reach out and like, I'm sorry.

[00:25:55] Like, it's just kind of like, it's dumb to put this in writing because I would say, all right, my business partner is not going to back me up on this.

[00:26:03] I am writing him off.

[00:26:04] No contact.

[00:26:06] Like, does he, he almost seems so convinced by his, I think you'd have to be a bit arrogant or convinced by your persuasive powers to even send something like this.

[00:26:15] Because does he think like the guy's gonna be like, oh man, I really did Jim wrong.

[00:26:19] Wow.

[00:26:20] Boy, do I feel bad.

[00:26:21] I'm going to, I'm going to like rally together my dental staff and tell them not to cooperate with the cops now.

[00:26:28] Like, like, you know what I mean?

[00:26:29] Because I feel so guilty about what I put this beautiful good man through and I have so much love in my heart for him.

[00:26:34] Like, like, or like, would it be more like reasonable to assume that somebody who thinks you killed your wife is going to probably prioritize that over whatever their past feelings for you are?

[00:26:44] That's an excellent point.

[00:26:46] So what happened next?

[00:26:48] Oh God, it's awful.

[00:26:49] I mean, I want to, we're going to go into more text later between Angela and James because I really think they highlight some interesting things.

[00:26:55] But, um, so before Angela herself passed away, as you can imagine, things were already rolling.

[00:27:06] Sydney Romero, a Child Protective Services caseworker, came to talk to the family on March 16th.

[00:27:12] She met with the Craigs, the children, individually.

[00:27:15] And she was very concerned with what she heard James Craig say in particular.

[00:27:20] He claimed Angela had been suicidal for a while and that he had had to revive her over different months.

[00:27:27] And this started after he asked for her for a divorce in December 2022.

[00:27:32] She said, he said she was intentionally overdosing on opioids, other substances.

[00:27:37] Weirdly, despite the fact that these very dramatic suicide attempts were going on, he never saw professional counseling for her or any sort of medical intervention.

[00:27:46] But he noted that he felt that her toxicology report would probably test positive for substances, although what exact substances he didn't know.

[00:27:54] Meanwhile, Angela's children said nothing about depression, suicide attempts, anything like that.

[00:27:59] But, um, uh, so Romero felt this was a cover story he was trying to establish.

[00:28:07] Like, hey, if there's anything in that toxicology report, don't worry about it.

[00:28:11] She did it to herself.

[00:28:12] So she called the detectives about that.

[00:28:14] Um, and that day also, uh, three search warrant applications and affidavits were sent to the 18th Judicial District Court.

[00:28:22] One was for the Craig home.

[00:28:24] Another was for the Summerbrook dental office.

[00:28:26] And another was for another address where I believe they were staying.

[00:28:29] Um, potentially.

[00:28:31] Um, and, uh, that day detectives went to talk to James Craig and he did not want to speak to them.

[00:28:37] But they did, uh, obtain his cell phone, Angela's cell phone, his wallet, laptop with passcodes and whatnot, and access to the residence.

[00:28:45] So they got all that through search warrants.

[00:28:47] At the residence, they found protein powders, workout-style shakers, a computer tablet, Ziploc bags with white powdery substances, and a water bottle.

[00:28:56] And, um, the surveillance device at the house had a missing hard drive.

[00:29:02] So, uh, that day later on, uh, detectives went to the Summerbrook dental office.

[00:29:07] It was closed that day.

[00:29:07] They seized hard drives, laptops, um, a small hand vacuum with a white powdery substance in it.

[00:29:14] And, um, also they got, uh, Craig's United States Drug Enforcement Registration Number.

[00:29:20] So, for healthcare providers who can write prescriptions, they all have a DEA number to make sure, you know, everything's on the up and up.

[00:29:28] They also, now that the detectives had all of these devices, they were able to look at the text between James and Angela, this couple.

[00:29:36] And what they saw was pretty normal.

[00:29:38] You know, like many married couples with children do, they're texting about their kids, activities, how their day's going.

[00:29:44] Sort of heartbreakingly, Angela Craig had, uh, James listed in her phone as the boy.

[00:29:50] And, um, you know, they, they kind of just were texting.

[00:29:54] So, I think maybe you and I can go, and I'll tell you, we're not going to read all of these, but we can kind of read some of them.

[00:29:59] I think they give some indication of the nature of their relationship and also how much Angela seemed to trust her husband,

[00:30:07] even though we're going to learn later there was some stuff that perhaps in their history that was problematic.

[00:30:14] So, where do you want to start?

[00:30:16] Let's read this one because I think it kind of, uh, let's read this first one first and then we can kind of go on from there.

[00:30:21] But, um, this one was pulled out in the PCA because I believe it highlights something about, um, you know, their relationship.

[00:30:29] So, uh, cool.

[00:30:31] So, I'm going to be Angela and you're going to be James.

[00:30:33] Correct.

[00:30:35] Your healing and happiness, this marriage, is more important than my day.

[00:30:39] You are more important than my day.

[00:30:41] Thank you.

[00:30:42] I know you're getting ready to go out and spend some time with Tony, and I'd like to ask that you keep last night's conversation details just between you and I.

[00:30:51] I trust Tony, but it was hard for me to even tell you that stuff.

[00:30:55] I'm definitely not ready for anyone else to hear it.

[00:30:57] Of course.

[00:30:58] I wasn't planning to talk about any of it.

[00:31:00] I haven't actually talked to Tony about any of the last few months since that initial conversation.

[00:31:04] I'm sorry.

[00:31:05] I know she's kind of your outlet and your strength and support and somebody who you could always go to to vent.

[00:31:11] I hate taking away even a part of that since I know this is really, really hard for you.

[00:31:17] Okay.

[00:31:17] So, this is interesting.

[00:31:19] Unquote.

[00:31:19] Yeah.

[00:31:19] Unquote.

[00:31:20] So, this is interesting.

[00:31:22] Again, he's telling her not to tell somebody something.

[00:31:24] He's telling somebody not to tell other people something.

[00:31:27] I mean, in any situation, that's kind of a red flag.

[00:31:33] I mean, there's certain things like, you know, I think like couples expect like, hey, don't put me on blast to all your friends.

[00:31:40] That's probably not a good sign for our relationship.

[00:31:42] But I don't recall ever asking you, hey, don't tell anyone that I'm doing that.

[00:31:46] You know what I mean?

[00:31:46] Like, I don't know.

[00:31:47] It's, I guess like in certain contexts it would be somewhat normal.

[00:31:51] But, yeah, it's definitely troubling.

[00:31:56] So, then we'll read like, I think, more of their text messages.

[00:32:04] One thing with these upcoming ones, I think some of them mention their kids and I don't want to read any names.

[00:32:10] So, I guess if there's any names, we could just maybe read the first initial or something.

[00:32:14] How's that sound?

[00:32:16] Okay.

[00:32:17] So, this goes back to 6.59 a.m. on March 6th.

[00:32:22] Let's just read these first four panels that were included in the PCA for now.

[00:32:27] Okay.

[00:32:27] So, you're the gray text from James and I'm the blue text from Angela.

[00:32:32] Thank you so much for making my drink this morning.

[00:32:35] I just love you.

[00:32:37] I hope you have a great day and I'm so glad you're back in town.

[00:32:40] You're welcome, baby.

[00:32:41] I love you too.

[00:32:42] I think my body is not letting the caffeine this morning either.

[00:32:45] My stomach feels fine, but my head feels funny and dizzy.

[00:32:48] Very strange.

[00:32:49] It's been a week since caffeine for you.

[00:32:52] Maybe your body is saying, no thank you.

[00:32:54] I did a full scoop of caffeine and a big full scoop of the B vitamins.

[00:32:59] Is that how much you normally take?

[00:33:01] I'm super shaky.

[00:33:03] Oh, no.

[00:33:04] I do a small scoop of the B vitamin mix.

[00:33:07] It feels really weird.

[00:33:09] Oops.

[00:33:10] Sorry, baby.

[00:33:11] That's okay.

[00:33:12] It'll wear off.

[00:33:13] I'm dizzy and my eyes don't want to focus, but I can get the stuff done that I need to

[00:33:16] this morning.

[00:33:17] Maybe you should lie down?

[00:33:19] I'm laying on my face on the mat in my room.

[00:33:21] You have a bed, you know.

[00:33:23] I'm stinky.

[00:33:24] Just seems excessive for a little extra supplement.

[00:33:27] Pearl is flying in this morning to see me.

[00:33:29] I totally forgot.

[00:33:30] I think she's flying out today, though.

[00:33:33] I don't feel right in my head.

[00:33:35] Do I need to come home?

[00:33:37] No, this is just weird.

[00:33:39] I'm dizzy in my head and my eyes are working slowly and my body is responding slowly.

[00:33:44] That sounds really wrong.

[00:33:46] I'm going to come home.

[00:33:47] I don't like this.

[00:33:48] You can't.

[00:33:49] You need to work.

[00:33:50] I'll throw on some clothes and sit with the girls and see if it goes away.

[00:33:55] Okay.

[00:33:56] I'm probably, I wear acting, but I don't like that.

[00:33:59] I can cancel patients for the morning or move some to the other doctor if needed.

[00:34:04] So if you change your mind, let me know.

[00:34:07] Do we have a blood pressure cuff?

[00:34:09] You should try that and see if your BP is low or something.

[00:34:12] Do you get lightheaded when you stand up?

[00:34:14] It feels more like I feel when I take heavy meds and everything adjusts and moves slowly.

[00:34:19] Like I'm moving in thick gel.

[00:34:22] My eyes are struggling to stay focused.

[00:34:24] Did you take BP?

[00:34:25] I don't know where one is.

[00:34:27] Okay.

[00:34:28] If you do end up wanting me to come home, I'll bring one.

[00:34:31] I have a bottle of magnesium in my second drawer down on the left side of my sink.

[00:34:35] Take one of those.

[00:34:36] Have you eaten anything?

[00:34:38] I had my protein shake and magnesium makes me weird.

[00:34:41] This is not hungry.

[00:34:42] Are you nauseous?

[00:34:43] No.

[00:34:44] I feel drugged.

[00:34:46] Given our history, I know that must be triggering.

[00:34:49] Just for the record, I did not drug you.

[00:34:52] I am super worried though.

[00:34:54] You really looked pale before I left, like in your lips even.

[00:34:58] Let's take a pause here for a second.

[00:35:01] So to me, most of the texts back and forth before that last exchange about drugging sounded pretty nice and normal, right?

[00:35:10] I mean, like he's expressing care for her.

[00:35:12] They're communicating about how she's feeling.

[00:35:14] It's sort of the thing that you would almost expect to see.

[00:35:17] And then there's that bizarre exchange about drugging.

[00:35:20] What did you make of that?

[00:35:22] Has he drugged her in the past?

[00:35:24] He has a vague reference there to their history.

[00:35:27] Yes.

[00:35:28] So what was learned later by detectives is that there was an incident five or six years ago where Craig drugged his wife, Angela.

[00:35:36] He claimed to her at the time that he did this so he could go in the bathroom and give himself a lethal injection of some kind of drug to commit suicide.

[00:35:46] He wanted her drugged so she wouldn't be able to come in and save him.

[00:35:51] And that is what that is referring to.

[00:35:55] Obviously a very troubling incident, but one where it's just fascinating to me somebody using therapy speak in this situation.

[00:36:06] Like, oh, is this triggering for you?

[00:36:08] You know, like that kind of thing.

[00:36:09] But obviously pretty concerning.

[00:36:13] So from there they keep talking.

[00:36:14] He talks about how he's looking up her symptoms and he's really worried about her possibly having a stroke.

[00:36:22] He comes home and they kind of talk about, you know, things from there.

[00:36:29] So the next day, I believe, let me look at when she was initially in the hospital.

[00:36:38] I think she she was.

[00:36:42] So she was admitted and then released pretty quickly, but then she ended up going back March 9th.

[00:36:52] So this is from March 7th.

[00:36:55] And it just made me really sad reading this.

[00:36:58] So let's go to the one that's kind of labeled March 7th.

[00:37:02] It's on, I believe, page 11.

[00:37:05] Perfect.

[00:37:05] All right.

[00:37:06] So you're gray and I'm blue.

[00:37:08] Quote, I love you.

[00:37:09] It was so nice hanging out with you and just watching a show and snuggling.

[00:37:14] I'm sorry you still aren't feeling well that you feel like I'm disappointed about that.

[00:37:18] I'm not disappointed at all.

[00:37:20] Just feeling empathy for how hard that must be for you.

[00:37:23] Hopefully things can improve and get better.

[00:37:26] I'm also so grateful that the last couple of days have allowed me to have more flexibility in my schedule.

[00:37:31] God really does know what he's doing.

[00:37:34] Are you feeling anything particular for dinner tonight or this week?

[00:37:38] I'm having a hard time feeling okay being sick and an even harder time knowing whether that's me or you.

[00:37:43] I could tell you were worried yesterday, but I guess I just think they sent us home and said nothing was wrong.

[00:37:49] And you think I should be fine.

[00:37:51] I realize I could be reliving the past.

[00:37:53] It's just hard.

[00:37:54] And frankly, all of this is really scary and I don't feel like we've addressed that at all.

[00:37:58] But I don't even remember most of yesterday.

[00:38:00] So maybe we did address it.

[00:38:02] I'm a crazy person.

[00:38:03] I'm not feeling anything particular about food right now.

[00:38:07] T's sending dinner tonight.

[00:38:10] So then they talk about they're going to get Panera.

[00:38:13] So this is sad to me because, I don't know, it's like he's like being so nice.

[00:38:22] Like, oh, we're snuggling and all this stuff.

[00:38:24] And she's like, you kind of get the sense that she's sensing something's very wrong.

[00:38:30] And it's also reminding her of this past incident.

[00:38:32] But she's so out of it, she's not even sure if they had talked about any of that.

[00:38:38] Again, it's like very manipulative.

[00:38:40] And she's kind of, you want to trust somebody you love.

[00:38:45] And he's saying all these nice things, but obviously.

[00:38:49] Yeah, he's saying the right things.

[00:38:51] Yes.

[00:38:55] Let's do the next three panels here.

[00:39:01] This is from, yeah, this is, you know, kind of she's admitted to the hospital on the 9th, I believe.

[00:39:09] And they kind of go from there where she's kind of being admitted and then being released and kind of back and forth.

[00:39:15] That one.

[00:39:17] It just occurred to me that I have not brought you any flowers while you're in the hospital.

[00:39:21] I'm so sorry.

[00:39:22] I didn't know how that escaped my notice.

[00:39:25] I think it's because I keep expecting them to let you go at any moment.

[00:39:28] If I'd known you were going to be here this long, I probably would have done a better job with that.

[00:39:32] It's okay.

[00:39:33] I don't need flowers.

[00:39:34] Clean underwear, blue and gray pajama pants, pink shaver, pink or teal t-shirt, Pilates socks, plastic bag for dirty clothes.

[00:39:41] Were you wanting me to go home and gather those things and bring them right back?

[00:39:45] Or is it okay to bring them the next time I come down?

[00:39:48] I like them as soon as possible.

[00:39:49] I feel kind of gross.

[00:39:50] Okay.

[00:39:51] I'll drop the kids off at home and grab that stuff and bring it right back.

[00:39:55] Where would I find the blue and gray pajama pants and the pink or teal t-shirt?

[00:39:59] The girls know what I mean in case you don't.

[00:40:01] Pajama pants on the shelf in my closet, t-shirts hanging up.

[00:40:04] My duffel should be in there too.

[00:40:05] Also travel size soap.

[00:40:07] Noted.

[00:40:09] BP 114 over 81.

[00:40:11] I have low grade fever.

[00:40:13] Man, your blood pressure is all over the board.

[00:40:16] 145 over 45 followed by 114 over 81.

[00:40:20] Someone needs to tell your brain to get it together.

[00:40:22] I've been saying that forever.

[00:40:24] Okay.

[00:40:25] I'm adding to the list.

[00:40:26] Clean underwear, blue and gray pajama pants, pink shaver, pink or teal t-shirt, Pilates socks,

[00:40:31] plastic bag for dirty clothes, body soap, conditioner, my hair towel.

[00:40:34] My pulse ox doesn't want to work.

[00:40:39] Maybe you don't have any pulse.

[00:40:41] Maybe I'm a vampire.

[00:40:42] They keep taking all of my blood.

[00:40:44] Okay.

[00:40:45] I'm trying a sandwich.

[00:40:46] Wish me luck.

[00:40:47] Coming up.

[00:40:48] Me, that is.

[00:40:49] Hopefully not the sandwich.

[00:40:50] Thank you, baby.

[00:40:53] Ugh.

[00:40:54] Yeah.

[00:40:55] It's, I don't know.

[00:40:56] It's just like, like it's just normal kind of couple-y banter a little bit.

[00:41:01] He seems like a very jokey person.

[00:41:03] Is that fair to say?

[00:41:04] Can I get that?

[00:41:04] That's fair to say.

[00:41:06] You know, so it's like, I don't know.

[00:41:07] Like, like.

[00:41:09] And of course the subtext of all of this is he knows something that she doesn't know,

[00:41:13] which is that he's in the process of slowly killing her.

[00:41:19] She talks about like the cardiologist thinks she's a puzzle and he's like, oh, I'm so shocked

[00:41:23] and whatnot.

[00:41:25] In his message to the business partner's wife, he even said something like, oh, if it wasn't

[00:41:29] my wife going through all this, I would find it a very fascinating medical puzzle.

[00:41:33] Things like that.

[00:41:35] He talks about he's going to get her all this stuff.

[00:41:37] He's going to bring her a laptop so she can watch an episode of New Girl.

[00:41:41] Like just kind of very accommodating and thoughtful.

[00:41:44] And, you know, like he says, he says like, goodnight, my love.

[00:41:50] At one point he says, quote, and just as the song says, I hope you know that you're enough

[00:41:54] for me.

[00:41:54] Indeed, more than enough.

[00:41:56] She says, thank you for spending as much time here as you do.

[00:41:58] It hasn't been fun.

[00:41:59] I want to go home, but it really hasn't been that bad either.

[00:42:01] I love you and I'll see you tomorrow.

[00:42:03] He's coming on very thick.

[00:42:05] I guess like, am I a sap or like, I like, do you find any of his statements like off-puttingly

[00:42:14] over the top?

[00:42:14] Or do you think that could, you know, just in a different context read as just sincere

[00:42:18] declarations of love?

[00:42:19] Because I feel like.

[00:42:20] Knowing what we do now, it's very creepy and disturbing.

[00:42:24] But I could imagine being in that situation, she would want to believe him.

[00:42:29] Although it seems like she made statements or at some point she didn't.

[00:42:32] But yeah.

[00:42:33] So I think we kind of got through a lot of the texts that were interesting.

[00:42:38] I think let's go what to what the detectives found when it came to his internet history,

[00:42:44] because you mentioned before a medical professional might understand poison a bit better.

[00:42:49] We're going to find out just how well that was.

[00:42:50] So they found on his laptops that he was logged in under dinosaurjim at me.com and a new email

[00:42:58] jiminwaffles at gmail.com.

[00:43:01] And they look at his Amazon history.

[00:43:05] He's logged into Amazon on one of those accounts.

[00:43:08] And they find an order from February 27, 2023.

[00:43:11] And it was delivered to his house in Aurora, left in the mailbox March 4th.

[00:43:16] And it was arsenic metal, 99.9999 crystalline metalloid, 10 grams for element collection.

[00:43:25] It was $13.

[00:43:28] And it also, in the description of the item, it said, quote,

[00:43:33] arsenic is often believed to be used for murder as it has been in many crime novels.

[00:43:38] And, you know, the real danger, though, is in swallowing it, which could prove fatal.

[00:43:43] So that day, here are some of his searches.

[00:43:46] Pure arsenic.

[00:43:47] Where can I buy arsenic?

[00:43:49] How to purchase arsenic metal?

[00:43:50] Is arsenic disulfide poisonous?

[00:43:52] Where to purchase pure arsenic, Denver, Colorado?

[00:43:56] Arsenic.

[00:43:57] Buy arsenic, Aurora, Colorado.

[00:43:59] How many grams of pure arsenic will kill a human?

[00:44:01] Chemical suppliers, Denver, Colorado.

[00:44:04] Is arsenic a metal?

[00:44:05] Arsenic suppliers, USA.

[00:44:07] Five most dangerous chemicals on Earth.

[00:44:09] Is arsenic detectable in autopsy?

[00:44:11] Top five undetectable poisons that show no sign of foul play.

[00:44:15] How to make poison.

[00:44:16] Top 10 deadliest plants.

[00:44:18] They can kill you.

[00:44:19] How to make poison.

[00:44:20] Poison, the recipes project.

[00:44:22] The deadliest toxins on Earth.

[00:44:24] Nine horrible poisons.

[00:44:26] Buy botulism toxin.

[00:44:28] How to make poison from oleander.

[00:44:30] Management of acute yellow oleander poisoning.

[00:44:34] Six deadly undetectable poisons.

[00:44:35] How to detect them on Nerdfighter Wiki.

[00:44:38] Buy oleander.

[00:44:39] Jim waffles.

[00:44:41] I guess he went back to his Jim Waffles account.

[00:44:44] So, yeah.

[00:44:45] That's obviously all very concerning given what happened, right?

[00:44:48] It's very concerning.

[00:44:50] As a lawyer, like, where do you, like, I mean, like, you understand the law, like, people look up weird stuff, right?

[00:44:56] Is that fair to say?

[00:44:58] That's fair to say.

[00:45:00] Certainly, considering what we do, if people looked at our search history, it could be very problematic.

[00:45:04] It could be like murder, murder, murder.

[00:45:05] You know, it would be really creepy.

[00:45:06] Like, this old murder case or, like, you know, like, how does strangling somebody work?

[00:45:12] Like, I would not want anyone to see mine for our jobs.

[00:45:16] But also, you know, I'm just kind of a morbid person.

[00:45:17] So, I mean, like, I don't really ever put too much in a search history because I think all of us, you know, if you're listening, you like true crime.

[00:45:26] You're probably in the same boat as us.

[00:45:28] But I think there's a difference between just being a kind of a general interest person and when your search history is almost like how to do this thing that then seemingly happened, that's where it enters the realm of more concerning.

[00:45:42] Is that kind of where you stand?

[00:45:43] Yeah, especially if it's in the context of having someone in your life who is poisoned as you are looking this stuff up.

[00:45:50] Like, if he was looking up knife wounds, that wouldn't really, you know, that's not what happened.

[00:45:55] And maybe it would be a little bit concerning, but it's more of something where she was, you know, it's going to come out that she was poisoned and he's looking up all this.

[00:46:04] So March 9th, 2023, he emails a company called Midland Scientific and he goes back and forth with an employee there.

[00:46:11] He claimed to them that he was a surgeon performing craniofacial reconstruction and wanted to do an article for the National Institutes of Health, gave his license number and said that he wanted to buy some of I think this is where the potassium cyanide came in and goes back and forth.

[00:46:32] At one point, you know, they say, OK, it's going to be delivered Saturday, March 11th.

[00:46:37] Then he waits all day. This is what he says, literally. So, quote, wow, it's 730 at night and I've been waiting in my office all day for the shipment.

[00:46:45] Looks like it didn't come. I wish they would have just told me they weren't going to be able to get it to me overnight.

[00:46:50] Please send me the tracking information when you get it. Dr. Craig, end quote.

[00:46:54] So he's like sitting in his office all night on that Saturday trying to get this thing and is very annoyed when they respond.

[00:47:02] They said it shipped out, but it was delayed. Sorry. We really sorry. And he responds, quote, it's not your fault.

[00:47:07] I was just feeling frustrated and needed somebody to vent to. Looks like it's out for delivery this morning.

[00:47:11] So hopefully we'll see the package soon. Thanks for your help. End quote.

[00:47:13] So I guess he was ultimately more chill about it, but he got it on March 13th.

[00:47:18] At this point, Angela's already been sick since March 6th, but it's like he wanted more.

[00:47:25] But that's not all detectives found.

[00:47:27] Perhaps unsurprisingly, he ended up, looks like from the emails, was having some sort of affair with a woman who was also in the dental business.

[00:47:40] And there were a bunch of sexually explicit conversations in these emails.

[00:47:45] There were also travel plans. So somebody traveled.

[00:47:50] This woman traveled from Austin, Texas to Denver, Colorado, March 8th to 10th to see him seemingly.

[00:47:57] And she was visiting him while his wife was sick in the hospital.

[00:48:00] So this is her email to him on March 16th.

[00:48:06] Quote,

[00:48:07] Hi, honey. I am so sorry for what has transpired this week in your world.

[00:48:10] I am so I'm sorry that I'm not a part of your world to be more help to you.

[00:48:14] And instead, I'm pulling you away.

[00:48:16] This is so hard.

[00:48:17] I want to be and do whatever I can to support and encourage you.

[00:48:20] And I don't want to add to what has become an incredibly difficult time.

[00:48:23] I can't imagine what it is doing to you to walk your kids through this.

[00:48:26] I do want to give you any comfort I can.

[00:48:29] But I do not feel it is right for me to mix in with all of those gathering to mourn Angela either.

[00:48:33] And I do not want to meet your family as a friend and try to conceal what I feel for you.

[00:48:37] I'm praying for you and seeking God's wisdom for this.

[00:48:40] I love you.

[00:48:41] And then she signs it.

[00:48:42] I'm not going to name her.

[00:48:43] Right.

[00:48:46] So he's having an affair and she's feeling uncomfortable about the secrecy at this time.

[00:48:54] So the detectives ended up speaking to someone very close to Angela and she gave some more details.

[00:48:59] She told them about the drugging story.

[00:49:01] She told them that Craig apparently had a history of having multiple affairs with multiple women.

[00:49:05] And he claimed to be addicted to pornography since he was a teenager.

[00:49:09] They had the story about the, you know, attempted suicide.

[00:49:13] And that Angela apparently had wanted to leave him a number of times over the past 16 years.

[00:49:19] Angela also would say things like Craig ran the dental office into the ground and that he went to Las Vegas and gambled away $2,000.

[00:49:26] But every time he messed up, he would always convince her to stick around.

[00:49:31] So.

[00:49:34] The detectives kind of were looking at different, you know, possible.

[00:49:40] Causes of death.

[00:49:41] And then they found that, you know, her her symptoms definitely matched poisoning.

[00:49:47] And that's what that's what ended up happening.

[00:49:50] So he was arrested and he's been charged with Angela's murder.

[00:49:53] But would you believe it, Kevin, if I told you that things have gotten even more insane recently?

[00:49:58] What's going on, Anya?

[00:50:00] So the 18th Judicial District Attorney's Office hit him with two new charges.

[00:50:06] So one was first degree solicitation to commit perjury.

[00:50:10] The other one was first degree solicitation to commit murder.

[00:50:13] So what does that mean?

[00:50:15] What does solicitation mean in this context?

[00:50:18] A solicitation is when essentially it's when you're offering someone some sort of inducement, I guess, usually money in order to perform an act.

[00:50:30] In these cases, it would be criminal acts.

[00:50:33] Well, there was some sign that maybe there was trouble ahead.

[00:50:37] So the day the jury selection for his trial was supposed to begin, November 21st, you know, at that time his attorney was named a man named Harvey Steinberg.

[00:50:49] He was a different, you know, so previous attorneys had withdrawn.

[00:50:53] So Steinberg is ready to go.

[00:50:56] Jury selection.

[00:50:57] That day, Steinberg asked to withdraw.

[00:51:02] How unusual is that for that to happen?

[00:51:05] On the day of the trial.

[00:51:07] Well, I mean, that's frowned upon because it's very rare.

[00:51:11] And also.

[00:51:13] Take into consideration that at the late that late day, the day of the trial, the prosecutor has prepared for the trial, has all their witnesses ready for the trial.

[00:51:25] The judge has cleared their calendar for the trial.

[00:51:28] So it's frowned on for a number of reasons.

[00:51:31] I would imagine.

[00:51:32] But I think Steinberg had a point here.

[00:51:34] So these are the reasons he cited under the trial rules in Colorado of why he withdrew.

[00:51:40] One, quote, the client persists in this isn't his quote.

[00:51:44] These are the rules that he was citing.

[00:51:45] So, quote, the client persists in a course of action involving the lawyer's services that the lawyer reasonably believes is criminal or fraudulent.

[00:51:52] End quote.

[00:51:53] The client insists upon taking action the lawyer considers repugnant or with which the lawyer has a fundamental disagreement.

[00:51:59] End quote.

[00:52:00] What do you think about those rules?

[00:52:03] Do we know what those actions were?

[00:52:06] Well, the next day he was hit with a first degree solicitation to commit murder.

[00:52:12] So would that be could that be connected to that?

[00:52:15] It could be.

[00:52:16] So, like, if the lawyer finds out.

[00:52:20] If the prosecutor goes to the defense attorney and says, hey, your your guy is trying to kill people from jail.

[00:52:29] Can the defense lawyer be like, bye?

[00:52:33] There's so many different rules.

[00:52:35] Are you asking if the defense attorney had foreknowledge of this?

[00:52:40] No, no, no.

[00:52:41] I don't.

[00:52:41] I mean, I just know it.

[00:52:42] There's no evidence.

[00:52:43] I mean, there's not really any real clear details about what's going on here, but I want to stress.

[00:52:47] There's no indication that Harvey Steinberg had anything to do with any of that.

[00:52:51] I imagine he did not.

[00:52:53] I strongly imagine he did not.

[00:52:54] I'm more of asking just as a layperson.

[00:52:56] I don't know if if someone's a lawyer and they find out that their client is doing other crimes in prison.

[00:53:03] Could that meet those rules where they can say, I don't want to be involved in this anymore?

[00:53:08] Yeah, that's what I think probably happened.

[00:53:11] Not that he had foreknowledge, just that, you know, I mean, if that would be around the time where they're preparing to bring new charges.

[00:53:17] If there's some conversation, he's like, he did what?

[00:53:20] You might not want to be a part of that anymore.

[00:53:22] So where do things stand now?

[00:53:25] Well, there's been some indications of who he was trying to kill.

[00:53:30] Well, this is and also I should know there's actually a shakeup on the prosecutor side, most likely, too.

[00:53:36] So the 18th Judicial District attorney was named John Kellner.

[00:53:41] He's going to be replaced by a new attorney who won the election, Amy Patton.

[00:53:46] So there might be some shakeup there, too.

[00:53:48] Obviously, everything's been delayed.

[00:53:51] Oh, and just in case you're wondering, this was a poisoning.

[00:53:56] Arapahoe County coroner Kelly Lear testified that Angela Craig had 400 times the amount of, I'm going to say this wrong.

[00:54:05] I'm sorry, everybody, but tetrahydrolazine in her body.

[00:54:10] That's that's a chemical in visine drops.

[00:54:16] So she had a cyanide and that in her body.

[00:54:22] So at this point in the pretrial hearings for all this imploded, the defense had been saying, well, nobody can prove that he put the poison in the drink.

[00:54:32] Even though there's a lot of circumstantial evidence around this, they don't have him doing literally that.

[00:54:37] But anyways, it seems like the person that Craig was trying to have murdered is one of the detectives in the case.

[00:54:46] What do you make of that?

[00:54:48] Is is this a revenge thing or is he trying to stop this person from offering testimony or do we have any indication?

[00:54:54] Not clear whatsoever.

[00:54:58] There's really we don't even know what detective this is.

[00:55:01] We know that, again, Bobby Olsen is the affiant, but there's a number of other detectives who participated in this case.

[00:55:11] My guess is it's Olsen because she was kind of instrumental in this whole thing.

[00:55:17] But there's not any sort of clarity on that at this point.

[00:55:24] But now he's being accused of applying to murder one of the Aurora detectives.

[00:55:32] And, you know, there was he basically was what's being reported at this point is that he goes to another inmate and says, I want you to kill somebody for me.

[00:55:45] And it's one of the detectives.

[00:55:48] Is that a good idea for defendants to do that?

[00:55:51] No, it's not.

[00:55:53] I mean, obviously, it's not right to do, but it's also really stupid, obviously.

[00:55:57] Yeah, you can't get away with it.

[00:55:59] It's stupid.

[00:56:01] And judges and prosecutors tend to take attempted murders of police officers very, very seriously, as they should.

[00:56:09] And and and also it's just it's like that the person's doing their job.

[00:56:13] I mean, maybe it was a revenge thing.

[00:56:15] Maybe there was some animosity on his part for this person.

[00:56:19] But at the same time, it's it's it's a matter of like that's not going to make the case go away.

[00:56:26] No matter what.

[00:56:28] So from a practical standpoint, it's also ridiculous.

[00:56:31] Anyways, I just thought this was an interesting one.

[00:56:34] Just there's so much weirdness and all these text messages.

[00:56:37] I kind of just wanted to go through it and lay it all out.

[00:56:39] And I think it's a pretty impressive PCA.

[00:56:42] There's a lot of evidence in there.

[00:56:44] There's a lot of stuff to unpack.

[00:56:46] And now it seems like Craig may be one of those defendants.

[00:56:49] I mean, listen, he's innocent until proven guilty.

[00:56:50] But he's one of those defendants that seems to be potentially adding more and more and more to his problems.

[00:56:57] Because, you know.

[00:56:59] There's a lot you can do in jail that would just really wreck your defense attorney's ability to defend you.

[00:57:06] And certainly potentially plotting to murder a detective is is one of those things.

[00:57:14] But I guess we'll see what happens next.

[00:57:16] We'll keep an eye on it.

[00:57:17] Absolutely.

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