The Murder of Hailey Buzbee: Could Tyler Thomas Plead Guilty?

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_01] I'm Anya and today we're going to be revisiting the horrific case of Hailey Busbee, a young teenage girl who was unfortunately abducted and murdered. Content warning, this episode contains discussion of the murder of a child as well as disturbing sexual violence and graphic discussion of violence.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_01] So, Hailey Busbee, this is a case that hits really close to home for us. Hailey Busbee was a 17 year old girl on January 5th, 2026. She vanished from her home in Indiana. She was living in, it's been alternatively described as Fishers, Indiana, but also Fortville, Indiana. There's a whole complicated annexation thing with that. But anyways, often Fishers. Fishers is a city in Hamilton County.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_01] And then unfortunately, her body was discovered in February. They found her in Ohio. She was out in Hocking County or rather I think she was, her remains were discovered in Perry County.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_01] But what has happened since is that there's been an adult man charged with this horrible crime. The suspect, his name is Tyler Thomas. He was living in Ohio. He was 39 years old.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01] And in past episodes, we've gone and done a thorough deep dive on both the area with which he is where he is believed to have brought Haley in Ohio, Hawking County, as well as the federal charges that Thomas is now facing because, of course, he crossed state lines here can become a federal matter.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_01] And that's certainly what's happening here. So I will link in our show notes. If you want to start back from the beginning, I've created a playlist that just makes it easy for you to follow. And this is something you can also access through our website. We've now set up a whole case library on our website, which is murdersheetpodcast.com.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_01] If you go to murdersheetpodcast.com slash case dash library, or if you just go to the website and click case library, you'll see all the cases we've covered with some frequency. Haley's is one of those cases. And now you can kind of listen in order and kind of do a deep dive yourself if you have any interest in that. But today what we're going to be focusing on is a spate of recent filings that kind of came out on Pacer.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_01] Now, these are some of them are a little bit older, but we're looking at them for the first time and sort of giving you an update on where things stand in Haley's case. My name is Anya Kane. I'm a journalist.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_00] And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an attorney. And this is The Murder Sheet. We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews and deep dives into murder cases. We're The Murder Sheet.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_01] And this is The Murder of Hailey Buzbee. Could Thomas Tyler Plead Guilty?

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_01] All right. So let's review some of these documents that we hadn't really seen before, but we recently got this kind of Pacer alert. And the first one was just an arrest warrant, but it really doesn't have much new information. And it doesn't really get into it, just identifies that they're looking at this Tyler N. Thomas, which we already knew. The two more interesting documents come in in March and May.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_01] So March 10th, 2026, we have a joint motion for extension of time during which indictment slash information must be filed. And then in May, we have another one of those. So, Kevin, what do you make of just like starting from the title? Like, what could we be looking at here as far as people asking for more time? But seemingly it's both sides asking for this together.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_00] Yes. I mean, we can read the tea leaves. This doesn't mean that there's going to be a plea. But when you have both sides working together, we can talk about some of the language in here. It certainly raises the strong possibility that at the very least a potential plea bargain is on the table.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_00] I want to talk about some of the language in here. I'm reading the one from May. Quote, the parties are making every effort towards resolving this case as expeditiously as is possible under the circumstances. Resolving things through a trial, let's be honest, that's not super expeditious.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_01] No.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_00] Resolving things through a plea is. Some more language here. An extension will allow the parties to continue to communicate and jointly plan the next steps in this matter, which provides the best opportunity to conserve the significant resources a trial would expend. In, quote, translation,

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_00] We think there's a way we can resolve this without going to the time and trouble of using the significant resources a trial would expend. Again, that's the language that makes me think that a possible plea bargain is at the very least on the table. It's important to make the very super obvious point.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_00] No agreement, whether it's a plea bargain or anything, really means much until it is formalized and is done. And that hasn't happened here yet. So this doesn't mean we're saying, oh, there's definitely going to be a plea bargain.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01] No, no.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah, I read this and I think there might be a plea on the table. And what's taking so long? There could be a variety of things that are delaying it. Maybe the defendant wants to see what exact evidence and information the government has. Maybe he feels, oh, the government can super prove this one thing. Maybe they can't prove this other element as much as they want.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_00] So maybe I shouldn't plead to that, but maybe plead to this. It's just a long, complicated process. So that's where I'm at.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_01] But wait a minute. You're saying prosecutors and defense attorneys working together? Mass hysteria? I mean, is that like, oftentimes because of the interest, the public's interest in trials, a lot of people see both sides as like complete adversaries. And of course, we're in a literal adversarial criminal justice system. So, I mean, they are. But I think that might surprise people and maybe showcase a side of the justice system

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01] that you don't see as much, which is that most cases end in a plea deal.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_00] Yes.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01] Most cases do not. Well, I'll just say it this way. Most cases do not go to trial. The vast majority of cases do not go to trial. Why is that, Kevin? Is that because these evil defense attorneys are just tricking these prosecutors or these prosecutors are just too lazy to try these cases? Why is this happening? Why is this epidemic of plea deals happening in this country?

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_00] There's a number of reasons for that. First of all, it's really, really time consuming and difficult and expensive to go to trial. And also, when you go to trial, you have no idea what a jury could potentially do. So you are taking a risk no matter what side you're on. With all of that said, in theory, the people on both sides of a criminal proceeding, the prosecutor and the defense attorneys, are professionals.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_01] They're supposed to be.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_00] Who have been through this process countless times before. And if you are a professional, you can look at the evidence that is on the table and be able to see, oh, there's a strong chance they're going to get convicted or they're not going to get convicted of this. And you could have a realistic appraisal of where things are likely to end up.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_00] And so if you can then go and make a deal that gets that result or a fair result, there's no reason not to. So you do.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_01] I'm not saying that public members, the public need to support every single plea deal that happens. I'm sure we could all look back in the history of criminal cases and find some plea deals that were truly terrible or or find instances where that didn't work out for everybody. Either way. And I think that's true. But I also would love the true crime loving aspect of the public to become a little bit

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01] more understanding and comfortable with the concept of plea deals and perhaps why they're necessary. I think they get a really bad rep. And I don't think it's really warranted most of the time. I think people just kind of hear it usually in the context of a plea deal that people are upset with. And then they assume that all plea deals are a bad thing. But in reality, they are a protective measure for both sides so that there's no surprises, frankly.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01] And a jury can always throw you a surprise, right?

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. There's always that element of risk, even though, as I say, attorneys in theory are professionals who have a pretty good idea of where things are going to end up. I remember this is a different context. But I remember when I was in law school, I went and I visited a friend who was a personal injury attorney. And he was like looking at some fresh documents about different accidents and some horrific injuries people had suffered.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_00] And he'd take a look at it and say, oh, this is a $100,000 case. This is a $2 million case. And he would know how much a jury would be likely to award in these particular cases. And like later, I did look it up and his estimates and his guesses were correct. So just when you've been in the process for a long time, you're able to make those calls.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_01] Now, I can understand, though, if there is ultimately a plea deal in this case, I think people will not be happy about that. And I can understand why. I mean, it will depend on the it will depend on the the details. But you have this beautiful young girl, Haley Busby, just by all accounts, a great kid. She's lured out to meet somebody. And then the person charged with killing her is alleged to have dismembered her.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_01] And it all seems sexually motivated based on previous evidence presented by the state.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_00] And he had previously sexually abused her as well.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_01] Yes. And so it's horrible. And I think people, you know, I can see if he's not getting something that's a very substantial punishment, I think people are going to be understandably unhappy and feel feel betrayed by this. But I mean, it will really just depend on the nature of what a plea deal is or even if one is happening. Right. I mean, that's not nothing is set in stone. We're speculating a bit. I feel like it's educated speculation.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_01] So we're allowed to do it because we're looking at these documents and saying, well, here's what it sounds like. But it doesn't mean anything set in stone. Doesn't mean it's going to happen. And at the end of the day, you know, if you're a defense attorney and you eke out a wonderful plea deal or basically, hey, this is as good as it's going to get. And your client is like, no, I want to go to trial. You're going to go to trial. You know, you're going to you're going to represent your client's interests. And so that's that's something to remember.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_01] I'll look at these documents now and just kind of maybe pick out a couple of more things. So what do you make of it? Like one thing that I thought was a little bit odd was like they do it in March and then again in May. It's like we need more time. I mean, like, is that I guess I guess it's like it's still ongoing and there's still

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_00] ongoing.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_01] They're they're talking about how Thomas is aware of his right to a timely filing of an indictment or information and quote, hereby waives the right for the purposes of this motion. Now, that's interesting. So can you talk about just maybe in a general principle? Why typically is it seen as like very much a right for you to get a speedy trial? And for, you know, like why is that even why is that even a thing?

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_01] Why can the defendant be like, all right, we're on a we're on a ticking time. You know, we're on it. We're on now.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_00] Imagine a situation where we look at rights of defendants. You always have to say, well, how how would I feel if this was me? And so I ask I ask you, Anya, how would you feel if you were picked up by the government and thrown into prison?

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_01] Not great.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_00] And they say, you know, we're going to put you on trial for something. We're not really going to tell you right now what the charges are. And we're not going to, you know, tell you when the trial is going to be. Maybe be next month. Maybe be next year. Maybe be five years from now. See you later.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_01] We're just going to tinker around with this case forever. When we make it good, that might be like a decade from now. But good luck.

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[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah, if you're defending, they can file for a continuance.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_00] But ultimately, the right to having a speedy trial is the defendant's right. And it is his right to fight for if he or she wishes. And here they're saying Tyler Thomas is okay with these delays. He's okay with the formal charges and details not coming out. But does that explain why typically it is important?

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_01] Yes, it does. And I think it also notes like essentially in most cases, the defendant is in the leadership role there in the sense that they're the one who can call the tempo and they're the one who can say, I want a speedy trial. And if the state's not ready, then that's my advantage. And they're the ones who can do that. They're also the ones who can say, hold up. I'm not ready. Let's do a continuance. And oftentimes those are granted. I mean, not always.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_01] But they're the ones who are saying, and you can kind of maybe look at their strategy about how confident they are or what are they doing? Are they doing their own investigation? How strong do they believe the state's case is? And you can see that in the decisions they make around that. So the fact that the defendant sees it in his best interest here to essentially go along with what the state is saying and drag this out essentially I think is interesting. It's worth noting.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_01] And I do want to revisit a little bit, if you don't mind, what he has been charged with and what he hasn't yet been charged with. Because I think that's interesting. This is from the May joint motion. Quote,

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_01] Now, what you're hearing there is you are hearing an address of the sexual violence done to Haley Busby and the sexual abuse. You know, this kind of ongoing predatory relationship where you have an adult man going into Indiana to sexually abuse a 17-year-old girl.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_01] And that's, I think, something, you know, that they're highlighting here. And they're mentioning her death, right? They're saying, essentially, from what I can parse here, the possibility of the death penalty due to the death of the victim as a result of the current charges. So they're saying, you know, the victim died as a result of all of this or, you know, or the victim died, period.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_01] And therefore, this person is Thomas is facing the death penalty. But there's no murder charge at this point.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_00] Yes.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_01] So, you know, that can be something where murder, obviously, you can have a death and not have it be murder. You know, you can have a death and be suicide, homicide, accident, whatever. Even with homicide, there can be self-defense, right? Self-defense claims. There can be negligence versus having an intent to do something. Like, there's all kinds of different things.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_01] So, depending on the state's case and the evidence they've gathered, it really does seem like the, you know, I'll be curious to see what they end up going with with that and what the evidence says.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah, it's a cliche. It's a cliche, but we don't know what we don't know.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_01] We don't know.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_00] We don't know what the state believes happened. We don't know all the details. I think we have a big picture idea. Yeah.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_01] I really want to know because it's like, I want to know what happened to this poor girl. You know, it's like she's gone. She can't say her side of it anymore. And there's so many ambiguities about what happened. We know a lot. We know a disturbing amount of disturbing materials found on this guy Thomas's devices.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01] We know that they were in some kind of sexual relationship and that he got her and they went to Hawking County and some sort of Airbnb rental. And at some point she's killed. She dies. And he disposes of her in nearby Perry County. We know all that. But like what happened? I want to know, did this guy come in with the intent to kill her? Did he that was that always the plan?

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_01] Did something happen that made that become the plan? Was there some kind of confrontation? Was there some kind of fight? Was it like he was luring her to her death or was it more of a rendezvous that then went wrong? Or was it was it a situation where there's some kind of accidental death related to what they're doing? And then he disposes of her body. I mean, we really just can't know. And as you said, we don't know what we don't know. But it's frustrating. Listen, it's frustrating.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_01] But also at the same time, when I look at cases like this and we don't know everything, you know. I'm reminded of Delphi, right? As I often am.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_00] We're often reminded of Delphi or Burger Chef.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_01] That song, always something there to remind me is like constantly. I think, you know, I think with Delphi, one reason I mean, like we didn't even know the cause of death of the two girls in that case in terms of Libby and Abby. We for I think years before it was officially confirmed in any real manner and a reason for that. People often ask me to this day why was that the case? Why did they hide that?

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_01] And the reason was because they were getting an insane amount of tips. And a lot of those tips were from unstable people who are making things up and they wanted to be able to very quickly ignore those people. And when you have people saying, hey, my cousin said he shot them and people don't know the cause of death, then you can say, all right, goodbye. So withholding information is not necessarily always a bad sign or, you know, means something's going wrong.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_01] And I can understand, though, it's frustrating for the public to not.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_00] It is frustrating. We have understandable curiosity about this. But the point of the criminal justice system is not to gratify our curiosity.

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_00] I do think it's important, obviously, for a number of reasons for all of this information to come out in terms of getting justice, answering our questions. And also, perhaps, is a bit of a cautionary tale. Again, we don't know the details. But we do know, correct me if I'm wrong, that Haley got into a relationship with this person that initially was online.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_00] And then it morphed into him sexually abusing her. And I think there are things for us to learn here about the sexual exploitation and abuse of minors online and how some people are able to manipulate minors online for their own purposes.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_01] That is exactly right. They met online and they struck up some kind of relationship. And, you know, the problem with this is that obviously she was a teenage girl, right? When people are adults, they're free to go have relationships with other adults. But when you have a 17-year-old talking to a 39-year-old online and, you know, he's exploiting her, I think these are conversations we have to have with our kids.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_01] And maybe just the first step is just letting them know, unfortunately, there are people like this out there and they're seeking out you. It's not about scaring kids. It's just about being honest with them about some of the risks. Because I think, you know, I think people often have this kind of idea that the predator is outside your house in a van looking sketchy. Or even the predator might be trying to worm their way into your life. And I think both of those things can be true. I don't think we should just ignore stranger danger. Look at the Athena Strand case, right?

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_01] She was abducted and murdered by a strange male. And we should be on guard for that. We should be on guard for the people in our lives who maybe are taking an overly creepy interest in our children. But the people who slip through the cracks, I think, sometimes are the online predators. And they are everywhere. And they are very sophisticated. And they're highly adept at manipulation. Think about, like, predators in nature.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_01] Think about, like, what does a great white shark or a wolf or a bear, like, they develop through evolution traits and abilities that help them hunt. And unfortunately, human predators can be similar in the sense that they figure out how to manipulate their targets in order to get what they want from them. And what they want is usually some form of sexual exploitation of minors, whether that's in person or even more commonly remote.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_01] Send me pictures. Send me this. Send me that. Do this. Do that. Do that. And the thing is, children, and I include even older teenagers in that, you know, children are all different. They have different personalities. Right? They have different abilities. They have different strengths or weaknesses. So they're not a monolith. But in general, I think it's fair to say we've all been children. And we all look back at stuff we did and we're like, oof, that was not, that was not the wisest thing to do. Children are still growing and developing.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_01] They don't have the experience to necessarily be fighting back against manipulation. They don't have the skepticism or cynicism that many of us have built up as adults. And when someone is coming to them and seems like a really great, wonderful person that they're connecting with, they may start to think, I love this person. And that love is going to be twisted and used to harm them. And it's like we have to warn these kids.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01] And it's not just about, like, no one's going to come at them on Roblox and be like, hey, I'm an obvious creep. It's the person who's, like, gaining your trust, like, asking you questions about yourself, making you feel special. And that's why it works. These kids don't feel like they're getting into the creeper van. They feel like, I'm running off with someone I love or this person would never hurt me and I want to make them happy.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_01] It hijacks their brain. And these predators even then will twist it against the parents of, like, well, don't tell your parents. They're not going to understand. And, like, they'll close off the method of support that they might have gotten otherwise. But I really think it is so important to talk about this with your kids and to recognize that a lot of this stuff starts very small. It's not like they're immediately going to pitch a kid usually on, you know, okay, let's go off in the darkness in my car.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_01] It's going to start as they're going to build trust first. And it's trust that's not warranted, but it's trust that they're often able to get from these kids.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah, I agree.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_01] It's sad. So I, you know, yeah, so this is all in federal court. You know, I think that one thing I will say about federal cases is that oftentimes there's, in state cases, people get certain sentences and they might get out earlier because of good time and whatnot. And that's much harder to do. Federal sentences are a lot more. You're going to probably serve that. Is that correct to say?

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah, that's correct to say. That's fair to say.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01] Are you surprised by the fact this isn't just being tried, like, as a county crime in Indiana or Ohio? Or do you feel like this makes sense because it allows them to combine the kidnapping and the murder?

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah, it makes sense. Obviously, state lines were crossed. So it's a more complicated case. And we will certainly continue to keep an eye on it. We just thought it was important to check in and say progress appears to be being made. So much of what happens in the criminal justice system takes place behind the scenes, doesn't get necessarily all of the attention.

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_00] That doesn't mean things aren't happening. Things are clearly happening in this case. And at some point, we're going to learn more details about it. And when we do, we will share them with you.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01] I will say this. You might be wondering, what is next? When is next even happening? If they keep delaying it, when can I look out for something to happen? And the answer is no one really knows, right? I mean, anything could happen any day. But the last filing they did does give some indication of when at least they're looking at. And this again, this May filing was May 15, 2026. And at the bottom of it, this is what it says.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_01] Quote, for these reasons, the United States and Defendants Council request an extension of the time within which an indictment or information may be filed in this case until October 9, 2026. The attorney for Tyler N. Thomas has indicated that he agrees to the requested extension of the time.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_01] So if both sides are completely in agreement on that and everybody's saying we're good for October, then the indictment or information in this case could drop at any time between now and October. So what, it's June? How many months away is October? Four. So it's four months away. So we could be looking at a decent long wait for this or it could drop in between then.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_01] But either way, once it does drop, we will be very interested. Or if they do come to a plea deal and that's announced, we will be looking for more information on that. Again, I just wanted to say we're speculating about the plea deal. Some of this language in the document is interesting, but no one knows what's going to happen. And, you know, a lot of things can change between now and then. So I think we just don't want to get ahead of ourselves with that. Right, Kevin?

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_00] Many a slip between the cup and the lip. And with that, we'll keep an eye on it. And thank you for listening.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_01] Thank you guys so much.

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